纽约时报名记撰文称钓鱼岛是日本盗窃中国所得的甲午战争 ...

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纽约时报著名记者尼古拉斯·克里斯托夫5日在纽约时报官方博客上撰文,称钓鱼岛是日本甲午战争的战利品,是从中国盗窃所得,日本驻纽约总领事15日当面向该记者抗议,16日召开记者会表示抗议。
http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20130117-00000384-yom-soci

「尖閣は日本の戦利品」と書いた米記者に抗議
読売新聞 1月17日(木)10時35分配信
 【ニューヨーク=柳沢亨之】当地の日本総領事館は16日、尖閣諸島は日本の「戦利品」とする記事を書いた米紙ニューヨーク・タイムズの著名コラムニスト、ニコラス・クリストフ氏に抗議した、と発表した。

 記事は5日付同紙ブログに掲載され、「日本は(日清戦争の)戦利品として事実上(中国から尖閣を)盗んだ」と主張。また、尖閣に「領土問題は存在しない」とする日本政府の立場を「ばかげている」とした。

 これに対し総領事館の川村泰久首席領事が15日、同氏と面会。「戦利品」との主張は「事実に反する」と抗議し、日本政府の立場についても「国際法上、正当だ」とした。同氏は日本側との意見交換を続けたいと述べるにとどまったという。

附上52楼mandman提供的这篇文章英文版全文:
http ://kristof.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/05/chinas-new-leader-and-the-islands-dispute/

China’s New Leader, and the Islands Dispute

By NICHOLAS KRISTOF

My Sunday column, probably the last from this China trip, looks at the new Chinese paramount leader, Xi Jinping, and offers a pretty optimistic take about what may happen in the next 10 years under his leadership. I should acknowledge that plenty of Chinese disagree with me and think that Xi will be another drip like President Hu Jintao. But let me cling to my optimism as long as I can — and I welcome your views as well.

If I’d had more space in the column, I would have discussed the Diaoyu/Senkaku Islands dispute at greater length, because there is some risk that this will escalate out of control and even trigger a war.

Neither Japan nor China wants a war, and both would like to return to the previous status quo when it was a back-burner disagreement put off for future generations to resolve. That was Deng Xiaoping’s take, and he was exactly right: the issue is much too toxic to resolve now, so it needs to be deferred. But both Japan and China perceive that the other has escalated, and each feels the need to respond. Each country is led by a more self-confident assertive leader who feels the need to show he’s boss. Another worry: Japan and the United States are convinced that if a conflict did erupt, Japan would destroy the Chinese navy or air force assets sent to the area; some people in the Chinese military, on the other hand, think that its air force would triumph over Japan’s. If each side thinks it would win, it becomes less determined to avoid a fight.

My starting point is that China makes a decent case for ownership of the islands. It seems pretty clear from Meiji era documents that Japan effectively stole the islands as spoils of war in 1895, although Japan can also make a plausible argument that prior to that in 1895 they weren’t Chinese but terra nullis, owned by no one. I also think it’s absurd for Japan to claim that there is no dispute at all — of course there’s a dispute, and that’s why there’s some risk of war.

翻译:我认为中国对钓鱼岛的主权主张理由更加充分。日本明治政府时代的官方文件清楚地表明,日本通过1895年的战争实质上窃取了钓鱼岛。

China argues that Japan started the latest round of escalation by buying the islands and making them government property. I’m not so sure: There was a real risk that a volatile grenade-thrower like Governor Ishihara of Tokyo or other rightists would organize visits to the islands or even set up a presence there, which would have been far more destabilizing — and in a democracy, there’s not much the central government could have done. So I’m sympathetic to Tokyo’s argument that it was trying to calm tensions rather than inflame them, but it certainly didn’t manage to explain that effectively. Then China escalated by playing the nationalist card and permitting major anti-Japan demonstrations, and by sending in ships and, recently, airplanes. That unquestionably was a dangerous escalation. If planes collide (as a US and Chinese plane did near Hainan in 2001), we’ll have a huge problem.

So my take is that both Japan and China have mishandled the situation — and so has the US as well. The United States officially doesn’t take a position on who owns the Senkaku/Diaoyu islands, but it seems clear to me that it de facto sides with Japan. Washington says that under the US-Japan Security Treaty, it must help Japan defend not only its own territory but also lands “administered” by Japan. And since the islands are administered by Japan, the US says it would join militarily with Japan in any conflict. Presumably the US thought this would intimidate China and reduce the risk of a conflict, but if so it misjudged: China has sent more ships and planes into the area since. And the US shouldn’t be taking sides in this dispute, especially when in reality I don’t see any American President going on TV and saying: “The US is now going to deploy naval vessels and risk nuclear war with China over a few uninhabited rocks in the Pacific that you’ve never heard of.” Effectively, the US managed to further escalate the crisis rather than deescalate it.

¶One good sign is that China has said recently that it will refer the issue of its continental shelf in the area to the UN — that diffuses the conflict, brings in multilateral actors, and lowers the temperature a bit. It would be great if China and Japan agreed to refer the matter to the International Court of Justice, but I don’t see that happening. There are rumors that China will finally clarify its sea claims this year, which would help its position. In the South China Sea, China has a dashed line around nearly the whole sea, but it has always refused to explain what exactly it claims. Is it sovereignty over the entire South China Sea? Is it the islands within the sea? Last year, the Foreign Ministry took a helpful step forward by explaining that it claimed not the waters but the land within the dashed line. But when I asked a Chinese general about that, he responded: “That’s the Foreign Ministry position. That’s not China’s position.” (PLA generals have often been particularly vociferous in their claims and sometimes anti-American, and I thought it was a good sign on this trip that three different generals all said that they couldn’t see me — I had the sense that they had been reined in to avoid further mishaps. Which is quite appropriate.)

¶We desperately need to return to the previous status quo with the Diaoyu/Senkaku Islands. My suggestion is that Japan acknowledge that there is a dispute in fact, while insisting that it is in the right, and open discussions with China about how to avoid shots being fired. Maybe China would agree to make periodic ritual shipping (but not aerial) visits to the general area, stopping at a 12 mile limit, and Japan would refrain from confronting the ships. Both sides would continue to insist on ownership of the islands, and acknowledge the dispute, but there would be less risk of a naval or aerial confrontation. Effectively Japan would concede that there is a dispute, and China would pull back from air and sea patrols within 12 miles of the islands. Your thoughts?



纽约时报著名记者尼古拉斯·克里斯托夫5日在纽约时报官方博客上撰文,称钓鱼岛是日本甲午战争的战利品,是从中国盗窃所得,日本驻纽约总领事15日当面向该记者抗议,16日召开记者会表示抗议。
http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20130117-00000384-yom-soci

「尖閣は日本の戦利品」と書いた米記者に抗議
読売新聞 1月17日(木)10時35分配信
 【ニューヨーク=柳沢亨之】当地の日本総領事館は16日、尖閣諸島は日本の「戦利品」とする記事を書いた米紙ニューヨーク・タイムズの著名コラムニスト、ニコラス・クリストフ氏に抗議した、と発表した。

 記事は5日付同紙ブログに掲載され、「日本は(日清戦争の)戦利品として事実上(中国から尖閣を)盗んだ」と主張。また、尖閣に「領土問題は存在しない」とする日本政府の立場を「ばかげている」とした。

 これに対し総領事館の川村泰久首席領事が15日、同氏と面会。「戦利品」との主張は「事実に反する」と抗議し、日本政府の立場についても「国際法上、正当だ」とした。同氏は日本側との意見交換を続けたいと述べるにとどまったという。

附上52楼mandman提供的这篇文章英文版全文:
http ://kristof.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/05/chinas-new-leader-and-the-islands-dispute/

China’s New Leader, and the Islands Dispute

By NICHOLAS KRISTOF

My Sunday column, probably the last from this China trip, looks at the new Chinese paramount leader, Xi Jinping, and offers a pretty optimistic take about what may happen in the next 10 years under his leadership. I should acknowledge that plenty of Chinese disagree with me and think that Xi will be another drip like President Hu Jintao. But let me cling to my optimism as long as I can — and I welcome your views as well.

If I’d had more space in the column, I would have discussed the Diaoyu/Senkaku Islands dispute at greater length, because there is some risk that this will escalate out of control and even trigger a war.

Neither Japan nor China wants a war, and both would like to return to the previous status quo when it was a back-burner disagreement put off for future generations to resolve. That was Deng Xiaoping’s take, and he was exactly right: the issue is much too toxic to resolve now, so it needs to be deferred. But both Japan and China perceive that the other has escalated, and each feels the need to respond. Each country is led by a more self-confident assertive leader who feels the need to show he’s boss. Another worry: Japan and the United States are convinced that if a conflict did erupt, Japan would destroy the Chinese navy or air force assets sent to the area; some people in the Chinese military, on the other hand, think that its air force would triumph over Japan’s. If each side thinks it would win, it becomes less determined to avoid a fight.

My starting point is that China makes a decent case for ownership of the islands. It seems pretty clear from Meiji era documents that Japan effectively stole the islands as spoils of war in 1895, although Japan can also make a plausible argument that prior to that in 1895 they weren’t Chinese but terra nullis, owned by no one. I also think it’s absurd for Japan to claim that there is no dispute at all — of course there’s a dispute, and that’s why there’s some risk of war.

翻译:我认为中国对钓鱼岛的主权主张理由更加充分。日本明治政府时代的官方文件清楚地表明,日本通过1895年的战争实质上窃取了钓鱼岛。

China argues that Japan started the latest round of escalation by buying the islands and making them government property. I’m not so sure: There was a real risk that a volatile grenade-thrower like Governor Ishihara of Tokyo or other rightists would organize visits to the islands or even set up a presence there, which would have been far more destabilizing — and in a democracy, there’s not much the central government could have done. So I’m sympathetic to Tokyo’s argument that it was trying to calm tensions rather than inflame them, but it certainly didn’t manage to explain that effectively. Then China escalated by playing the nationalist card and permitting major anti-Japan demonstrations, and by sending in ships and, recently, airplanes. That unquestionably was a dangerous escalation. If planes collide (as a US and Chinese plane did near Hainan in 2001), we’ll have a huge problem.

So my take is that both Japan and China have mishandled the situation — and so has the US as well. The United States officially doesn’t take a position on who owns the Senkaku/Diaoyu islands, but it seems clear to me that it de facto sides with Japan. Washington says that under the US-Japan Security Treaty, it must help Japan defend not only its own territory but also lands “administered” by Japan. And since the islands are administered by Japan, the US says it would join militarily with Japan in any conflict. Presumably the US thought this would intimidate China and reduce the risk of a conflict, but if so it misjudged: China has sent more ships and planes into the area since. And the US shouldn’t be taking sides in this dispute, especially when in reality I don’t see any American President going on TV and saying: “The US is now going to deploy naval vessels and risk nuclear war with China over a few uninhabited rocks in the Pacific that you’ve never heard of.” Effectively, the US managed to further escalate the crisis rather than deescalate it.

¶One good sign is that China has said recently that it will refer the issue of its continental shelf in the area to the UN — that diffuses the conflict, brings in multilateral actors, and lowers the temperature a bit. It would be great if China and Japan agreed to refer the matter to the International Court of Justice, but I don’t see that happening. There are rumors that China will finally clarify its sea claims this year, which would help its position. In the South China Sea, China has a dashed line around nearly the whole sea, but it has always refused to explain what exactly it claims. Is it sovereignty over the entire South China Sea? Is it the islands within the sea? Last year, the Foreign Ministry took a helpful step forward by explaining that it claimed not the waters but the land within the dashed line. But when I asked a Chinese general about that, he responded: “That’s the Foreign Ministry position. That’s not China’s position.” (PLA generals have often been particularly vociferous in their claims and sometimes anti-American, and I thought it was a good sign on this trip that three different generals all said that they couldn’t see me — I had the sense that they had been reined in to avoid further mishaps. Which is quite appropriate.)

¶We desperately need to return to the previous status quo with the Diaoyu/Senkaku Islands. My suggestion is that Japan acknowledge that there is a dispute in fact, while insisting that it is in the right, and open discussions with China about how to avoid shots being fired. Maybe China would agree to make periodic ritual shipping (but not aerial) visits to the general area, stopping at a 12 mile limit, and Japan would refrain from confronting the ships. Both sides would continue to insist on ownership of the islands, and acknowledge the dispute, but there would be less risk of a naval or aerial confrontation. Effectively Japan would concede that there is a dispute, and China would pull back from air and sea patrols within 12 miles of the islands. Your thoughts?

看来干爹也开始抛弃脚盆了呀
实话实说,吞的吐出来
第二天这个名记。。 不见了。。
日本总是自欺欺人,总不承认,以为把头埋在沙里,就看不到,不承认,还天天说谎,最终能骗的是谁,只能是自己本国的愚民,然后军国主义复辟,不过,这次如果真的打大战,就不是在中国国内打,而是在日本本土!
事实而已
以后这种声音只会越来越多
这个记者的安全堪忧
求其20081026 发表于 2013-1-17 11:45
日本总是自欺欺人,总不承认,以为把头埋在沙里,就看不到,不承认,还天天说谎,最终能骗的是谁,只能是自己本国的 ...
脚盆很多民众压根就以为钓鱼岛是他们,这是政府隐瞒歪曲宣传的结果,而且这个民族缺乏大智慧大勇气,所以说跪着的德国人永远比站着的倭人要高大。
美帝要让中日始终对立,才便于控制,才便于牟利,这样才最符合美帝利益

那么就要一会帮这边说话,一会帮那边说,这样才可确保自己的话事人地位不动摇

但又要不让两边真的打起来迫使自己不得不选边或者参加进去

所以就必须拉紧狗链的同时,帮中国这边说两句,打压下日本的气焰
这舆论导向起码站在兔子这边,脚盆这事干得不让干爹待见啊
随着中国影响力的增强,自然就会有更多的外国人以客观务实的态度研究中国的一切,包括历史和文化,这样的观点以后会越来越多的
这记者只是说了点实话,鬼子叫唤个铲铲啊。
实话

frozensaint 发表于 2013-1-17 11:49
脚盆很多民众压根就以为钓鱼岛是他们,这是政府隐瞒歪曲宣传的结果,而且这个民族缺乏大智慧大勇气,所以 ...


是的,其实很多人从结果愿意把日本人和德国人类比,比如工业品精湛,这个结果必须承认是的,但是以此就推论出日本人和德国人的民族性格是一样的,在我看来,还是有区别的。
德国人的高素质和严谨,更多是民族固有优秀特性自发产生,不要忘记德国是大陆国家,
日本人,更多的是岛国民族因外界环境因素、人为因素所迫而激发出来的,经过千年发酵累积出自身的特性,相对更极端,不安全感,扩张性,只服从绝对强权。这里特别一点,不要只看到表面总是很有礼貌很谦卑,就能否认骨子里民族的劣根性,只是相对发达的经济条件暂时弱化了这一点。
你可以慢慢体会这些区别。
frozensaint 发表于 2013-1-17 11:49
脚盆很多民众压根就以为钓鱼岛是他们,这是政府隐瞒歪曲宣传的结果,而且这个民族缺乏大智慧大勇气,所以 ...


是的,其实很多人从结果愿意把日本人和德国人类比,比如工业品精湛,这个结果必须承认是的,但是以此就推论出日本人和德国人的民族性格是一样的,在我看来,还是有区别的。
德国人的高素质和严谨,更多是民族固有优秀特性自发产生,不要忘记德国是大陆国家,
日本人,更多的是岛国民族因外界环境因素、人为因素所迫而激发出来的,经过千年发酵累积出自身的特性,相对更极端,不安全感,扩张性,只服从绝对强权。这里特别一点,不要只看到表面总是很有礼貌很谦卑,就能否认骨子里民族的劣根性,只是相对发达的经济条件暂时弱化了这一点。
你可以慢慢体会这些区别。
帮日本找个台阶下
koffa 发表于 2013-1-17 12:02
是的,其实很多人从结果愿意把日本人和德国人类比,比如工业品精湛,这个结果必须承认是的,但是以此就 ...
二战德国是疯子,日本人从来都是狗,前者有可能治疗,后者只能等待进化
koffa 发表于 2013-1-17 12:02
是的,其实很多人从结果愿意把日本人和德国人类比,比如工业品精湛,这个结果必须承认是的,但是以此就 ...
恩 日本德国确实是不同的民族性格  不过都是悲剧
米帝新闻局“艹 ! 这混蛋! 告诉他 今年普利策奖的推荐 绝对没他份了!”
楼上骂人要悲剧了。。。。
鬼子是癫狗,带有狂犬病毒。
mars26 发表于 2013-1-17 11:51
美帝要让中日始终对立,才便于控制,才便于牟利,这样才最符合美帝利益

那么就要一会帮这边说话,一会帮 ...
正解啊,,
lz补个 ”纽约时报名记撰文” 的链接吧
祝你平安
新乡时报最近是在弥补前次么
MD还是有不少人有正义感的
包括琉球也是
总领事15日当面向该记者抗议

友邦惊诧了呀
矮脚虎怎么能和汉斯比 就没有可比性。汉斯是高素质的
koffa 发表于 2013-1-17 12:02
是的,其实很多人从结果愿意把日本人和德国人类比,比如工业品精湛,这个结果必须承认是的,但是以此就 ...
勃兰特那一跪并没有收到世人嘲笑,反而赢得了尊重和认同,体现了一个民族智慧和勇气,这是倭奴永远也理解不了的。
《纽约时报》应该是MD的《人民日报》吧?
脚盆很多民众压根就以为钓鱼岛是他们,这是政府隐瞒歪曲宣传的结果,而且这个民族缺乏大智慧大勇气,所以 ...
我的几个日本同事真的不知道皇军在种花家干过什么,因为小时候学历史的时候根本不讲。
二战德国是疯子,日本人从来都是狗,前者有可能治疗,后者只能等待进化
顶一个,笑喷了!
抗议个屁,人家发表一篇文章你就急啦















http://player.ku6.com/refer/Z5qGHDzvVQnm-3o1L5GG4Q../v.swf&auto=1
从条约上讲 日本真的没有什么好争的 只是源头在美国 问题3边化才搞得那么复杂
大小企鹅 发表于 2013-1-17 12:46
我的几个日本同事真的不知道皇军在种花家干过什么,因为小时候学历史的时候根本不讲。
所以这么说,诚恳道歉赢得的不是鄙视而是宽容和尊重,以他们的民族性理解不了。
火是老美点的,灭火的事情也要老美来做。

万一开战,按照目前的宣传口径,战斗可能不会局限在钓鱼岛一隅

不仅仅要打鸟,还要把鸟窝给消灭掉!
中国应该加强制造这样的国际舆论
保护费交的不够呀。。。。
MD想把狗链收紧一些。
1ggy 发表于 2013-1-17 12:30
新乡时报最近是在弥补前次么
小兔子的领导正在扳着手指头合计。

嗯,骂安倍蠢货的那一篇算一个,嗯,这一篇也算一个。

嗯,秘书,告诉他们还差三篇,最好是社论和总编署名的。表现要好,要有认错的态度,机会还是有的,咱们是礼仪之邦嘛。