PPRuNe专业飞行论坛网友讨论Y-20,称其像鸭子

PPRuNe专业飞行论坛网友讨论Y-20,称其像鸭子
New Chinese Large Transport Aircraft, Y-20
作者:roc 发布日期:2012-12-29 浏览:3957
译文简介:
PPRuNe专业飞行论坛网友讨论Y-20,称其像鸭子，颜色也不讨人喜欢。
译文来源:
原文地址：ht tp://w ww.pprune.org/military-aircrew/503687-new-chinese-large-transport-aircraft-y-20-a.html
原创翻译：龙腾网 w ww.ltaaa.com 翻译：roc 转载请注明出处
正文翻译:


                    （龙腾网配图：y-20）
评论翻译:


keesje (荷兰): 25th Dec 2012, 20:54
Somewhere inbetween a IL-76 and a A400M?
It seems they didn't succeed (yet) in realizing modern, high bypass turbofans for this
aircraft.

空中客车的A400M和伊尔-76结合的产物?
看来他们至今没有为这架飞机准备好先进的大涵道涡扇发动机.

Matthew Hopkin( 英国 拉文纳姆) 25th Dec 2012, 22:08
Looks like a beefed up HS146

看起来像一个加强版的HS146(英国的一种运输机)

Buster Hyman 25th Dec 2012, 23:38
I don't like the colour.

我不喜欢它的颜色

powerstall 26th Dec 2012, 01:58
Are those JT8D engines?

那些是JT8D发动机吗?

mini 26th Dec 2012, 03:04
Sub Herc sized fuselage with four piss pot turbines... what's the point?
Mock up of some sort if you ask me.

Herc的小尺寸的机身有四个小便壶一样的涡轮机... 有什么意义呢？
如果你问我，我会说: 也许是山寨吧.

Squirrel 41(英国) 26th Dec 2012, 03:31
Looks like a real programme, albeit CANDID sized. From a Russian site and via Google
Translate:"Photo caption states that "one of these days AVIC Landing Gear Advanced Manufacturing Co. (Official English title units AVIC) prematurely passed [the customer] sample chassis of a priority project." This "ensures successful execution of the annual targets for the development and manufacture of equipment and weapons."
Chassis presumably intended for future Chinese heavy military transport aircraft Y-20, the development and production preparation of which the company Xian Aircraft Industrial Corporation (HAS) in Xi'an. Earlier it was reported that the aircraft, approximately corresponding to the size of the Russian IL-76, may make its first flight in 2012. At Y-20, at least at first, to be installed Russian engines D-30KP2."
Comment: D-30KP2 are the original CANDID engines - which the Chinese have extensive experience of.

看起来像一个真的项目，虽然图片是偷拍的,下面是从俄罗斯网站，通过谷歌翻译得到的：
图中显示，这些天中航公司（官方英文名称AVIC）提前通过了一个重点项目的样品,以确保达到研发
和制造装备武器的年度目标。
西安飞机工业公司参与了中国重型军用运输机Y-20的底盘的开发和生产准备。稍早报道，这架飞机大约相当于俄罗斯IL-76的大小，可能会在2012年进行了首次飞行。预计至少在首飞时，使用的的将是俄罗斯发动机D-30KP2。
点评：D-30KP2是CANDID引擎的原型-中国对其有着丰富的经验。

CoffmanStarter(英国) 26th Dec 2012, 07:50
Hereafter NATO Designation to be "Yellow Peril"

北约过后,"黄祸"来了

NutLoose 26th Dec 2012, 11:30
I bet even the Chinese aren't thick enough to put an aft side loading door in it, provide a ramp you have to assemble to get the loads in and out and then attempt to sell it as a military tactical freighter as BAe tried to do with the 14

我敢打赌，中国甚至不能实现后置装载门，实现这样一个坡道，你必须组装来得到进出的负载，然后才
能作为军用战略平台出售,就像如BAE(英国航宇公司)对146运输机做的哪样.

ORAC 26th Dec 2012, 11:38
Crew: 3
Payload Capacity: 60,000-65000 kg
Length: 49 m
Wingspan: 50 m
Height: 15 m
Wing area: 310 m2
Empty weight: 100,000 kg
Max takeoff weight: 220,000 kg
Power: 4×turbofans
Maximum speed: 750-800 km/h
Range: (with max payload) 4,400 km
Service ceiling: 13,000 m
Shaanxi Y-20
The prototypes and the initial batch may be powered by Russian D-30KP-2/WS-18 turbofans,
later by the modified WS-10 (WS-118?)....

乘员：3
有效载荷容量：60,000-65000公斤
长度：49米
翼展：50米
高度：15米
机翼面积：310平方米的
空机重量：100000千克
最大起飞重量：220,000公斤
功率：4×涡扇发动机
最大速度：750-800公里/ h的
范围（最大有效载荷）4400公里
实用升限：13000米
陕西 Y-20
原型或者是早期型号，将搭载俄罗斯D-30KP-2/WS-18涡扇发动机，后来搭载修改后的WS-10（ WS-118？）......

Pontius Navigator（林肯郡） 26th Dec 2012, 12:31
Looks pretty?
or not a coat peg?

看起来漂亮吗？不是一件大衣挂钩吗？

B Fraser 26th Dec 2012, 13:03
As it's Christmas, why not "Yellow Snow" ?

回复“北约过后,"黄祸"来了”
由于今天是圣诞节，“黄雪”不是更好？

keesje（荷兰） 26th Dec 2012, 14:32
回复"Mock up of some sort if you ask me."
during the last few yrs several analysts suggested these new chinese machines probably are just fancy mock-ups, and then they took off a few days later..

在过去的几年岁，一些分析人士认为，中国这些新的机器可能只是实物模型，然后他们几天后就起飞了..

Buster Hyman 26th Dec 2012, 22:11
Pee-king Duck?

北京烤鸭？

Trim Stab 26th Dec 2012, 22:59
Unusual to see a configuration with such pronounced main wing anhedral, yet a very tall fin. I wonder whether it is optimised to fly max-range with only two engines operating.

经常可以看到主翼上反角的配置，并且尾翼也非常高。我怀疑这是否是为在只有2个发动机运行的情况下做
长距离飞行做的优化.

keesje 28th Dec 2012, 01:29
This aircraft has been under development for several yrs. Earlier mock-ups, models and artist impressions featured higher BPR engines.
It seems the Chinese decided they couldn't wait for the right engine and moved ahead with a proven one. They'll continue flight and system testing, taking a hit on range on the initial aircraft.
Looking at the current PLA size and territory they have a pathetic small transport fleet.
No doubt the Chinese want several hundred of these (& Y-9) ASAP, so probably little export ambitions.

这架飞机已经在开发几年了。早期展示了原型，模型和特色的高涵道比引擎。
看来，中国政府已经决定，他们不能等到合适的发动机和并已经着手使用成熟的产品。他们会继续在原型机上进行飞行测试和系统测试，
纵观当前的PLA的大小和领土，他们有一个可怜的小运输车队。毫无疑问，中国需要几百架这些（＆Y-9）越快越好，所以出口的可能性不大。

Temp Spike（美国） 28th Dec 2012, 01:55
Looks like a target drone to me.

在我看来像靶机.PPRuNe专业飞行论坛网友讨论Y-20,称其像鸭子
New Chinese Large Transport Aircraft, Y-20
作者:roc 发布日期:2012-12-29 浏览:3957
译文简介:
PPRuNe专业飞行论坛网友讨论Y-20,称其像鸭子，颜色也不讨人喜欢。
译文来源:
原文地址：ht tp://w ww.pprune.org/military-aircrew/503687-new-chinese-large-transport-aircraft-y-20-a.html
原创翻译：龙腾网 w ww.ltaaa.com 翻译：roc 转载请注明出处
正文翻译:


                    （龙腾网配图：y-20）
评论翻译:


keesje (荷兰): 25th Dec 2012, 20:54
Somewhere inbetween a IL-76 and a A400M?
It seems they didn't succeed (yet) in realizing modern, high bypass turbofans for this
aircraft.

空中客车的A400M和伊尔-76结合的产物?
看来他们至今没有为这架飞机准备好先进的大涵道涡扇发动机.

Matthew Hopkin( 英国 拉文纳姆) 25th Dec 2012, 22:08
Looks like a beefed up HS146

看起来像一个加强版的HS146(英国的一种运输机)

Buster Hyman 25th Dec 2012, 23:38
I don't like the colour.

我不喜欢它的颜色

powerstall 26th Dec 2012, 01:58
Are those JT8D engines?

那些是JT8D发动机吗?

mini 26th Dec 2012, 03:04
Sub Herc sized fuselage with four piss pot turbines... what's the point?
Mock up of some sort if you ask me.

Herc的小尺寸的机身有四个小便壶一样的涡轮机... 有什么意义呢？
如果你问我，我会说: 也许是山寨吧.

Squirrel 41(英国) 26th Dec 2012, 03:31
Looks like a real programme, albeit CANDID sized. From a Russian site and via Google
Translate:"Photo caption states that "one of these days AVIC Landing Gear Advanced Manufacturing Co. (Official English title units AVIC) prematurely passed [the customer] sample chassis of a priority project." This "ensures successful execution of the annual targets for the development and manufacture of equipment and weapons."
Chassis presumably intended for future Chinese heavy military transport aircraft Y-20, the development and production preparation of which the company Xian Aircraft Industrial Corporation (HAS) in Xi'an. Earlier it was reported that the aircraft, approximately corresponding to the size of the Russian IL-76, may make its first flight in 2012. At Y-20, at least at first, to be installed Russian engines D-30KP2."
Comment: D-30KP2 are the original CANDID engines - which the Chinese have extensive experience of.

看起来像一个真的项目，虽然图片是偷拍的,下面是从俄罗斯网站，通过谷歌翻译得到的：
图中显示，这些天中航公司（官方英文名称AVIC）提前通过了一个重点项目的样品,以确保达到研发
和制造装备武器的年度目标。
西安飞机工业公司参与了中国重型军用运输机Y-20的底盘的开发和生产准备。稍早报道，这架飞机大约相当于俄罗斯IL-76的大小，可能会在2012年进行了首次飞行。预计至少在首飞时，使用的的将是俄罗斯发动机D-30KP2。
点评：D-30KP2是CANDID引擎的原型-中国对其有着丰富的经验。

CoffmanStarter(英国) 26th Dec 2012, 07:50
Hereafter NATO Designation to be "Yellow Peril"

北约过后,"黄祸"来了

NutLoose 26th Dec 2012, 11:30
I bet even the Chinese aren't thick enough to put an aft side loading door in it, provide a ramp you have to assemble to get the loads in and out and then attempt to sell it as a military tactical freighter as BAe tried to do with the 14

我敢打赌，中国甚至不能实现后置装载门，实现这样一个坡道，你必须组装来得到进出的负载，然后才
能作为军用战略平台出售,就像如BAE(英国航宇公司)对146运输机做的哪样.

ORAC 26th Dec 2012, 11:38
Crew: 3
Payload Capacity: 60,000-65000 kg
Length: 49 m
Wingspan: 50 m
Height: 15 m
Wing area: 310 m2
Empty weight: 100,000 kg
Max takeoff weight: 220,000 kg
Power: 4×turbofans
Maximum speed: 750-800 km/h
Range: (with max payload) 4,400 km
Service ceiling: 13,000 m
Shaanxi Y-20
The prototypes and the initial batch may be powered by Russian D-30KP-2/WS-18 turbofans,
later by the modified WS-10 (WS-118?)....

乘员：3
有效载荷容量：60,000-65000公斤
长度：49米
翼展：50米
高度：15米
机翼面积：310平方米的
空机重量：100000千克
最大起飞重量：220,000公斤
功率：4×涡扇发动机
最大速度：750-800公里/ h的
范围（最大有效载荷）4400公里
实用升限：13000米
陕西 Y-20
原型或者是早期型号，将搭载俄罗斯D-30KP-2/WS-18涡扇发动机，后来搭载修改后的WS-10（ WS-118？）......

Pontius Navigator（林肯郡） 26th Dec 2012, 12:31
Looks pretty?
or not a coat peg?

看起来漂亮吗？不是一件大衣挂钩吗？

B Fraser 26th Dec 2012, 13:03
As it's Christmas, why not "Yellow Snow" ?

回复“北约过后,"黄祸"来了”
由于今天是圣诞节，“黄雪”不是更好？

keesje（荷兰） 26th Dec 2012, 14:32
回复"Mock up of some sort if you ask me."
during the last few yrs several analysts suggested these new chinese machines probably are just fancy mock-ups, and then they took off a few days later..

在过去的几年岁，一些分析人士认为，中国这些新的机器可能只是实物模型，然后他们几天后就起飞了..

Buster Hyman 26th Dec 2012, 22:11
Pee-king Duck?

北京烤鸭？

Trim Stab 26th Dec 2012, 22:59
Unusual to see a configuration with such pronounced main wing anhedral, yet a very tall fin. I wonder whether it is optimised to fly max-range with only two engines operating.

经常可以看到主翼上反角的配置，并且尾翼也非常高。我怀疑这是否是为在只有2个发动机运行的情况下做
长距离飞行做的优化.

keesje 28th Dec 2012, 01:29
This aircraft has been under development for several yrs. Earlier mock-ups, models and artist impressions featured higher BPR engines.
It seems the Chinese decided they couldn't wait for the right engine and moved ahead with a proven one. They'll continue flight and system testing, taking a hit on range on the initial aircraft.
Looking at the current PLA size and territory they have a pathetic small transport fleet.
No doubt the Chinese want several hundred of these (& Y-9) ASAP, so probably little export ambitions.

这架飞机已经在开发几年了。早期展示了原型，模型和特色的高涵道比引擎。
看来，中国政府已经决定，他们不能等到合适的发动机和并已经着手使用成熟的产品。他们会继续在原型机上进行飞行测试和系统测试，
纵观当前的PLA的大小和领土，他们有一个可怜的小运输车队。毫无疑问，中国需要几百架这些（＆Y-9）越快越好，所以出口的可能性不大。

Temp Spike（美国） 28th Dec 2012, 01:55
Looks like a target drone to me.

在我看来像靶机.