印度军政官员争论是否要撕毁意大利12架AW-101直升机采购 ...

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合同涉及价值7亿多美元的12架AW-101直升机,计划用作为印度高官包括总统总理在内的公务机,总理在内的比较坚持,不过印度空军称其高原性能不佳,无法在印控克什米尔地区活动,印度国防部计划下月将作出是否取消这笔交易的决定。

AW-101生产商意大利芬梅卡尼卡集团(Finmeccanica)正在被意大利政府调查是否有商业犯罪行为,与印度的直升机交易是否有贿赂行为存在还不得而知,当然意大利政府不愿意放弃这笔交易

印度习惯性举行很多采购项目,也习惯性取消或延迟很多采购项目。。。
http://idrw.org/?p=16483
Italian helicopters for VVIPs

    Twelve Italian-made helicopters to fly the President, Prime Minister and other important dignitaries will arrive in India next month, with the Defence Ministry deciding not to cancel its deal with Italian company Finmenicca.

    The 4,000-crore deal for AW-101 Augustawestland helicopters was under a cloud because of allegations of bribery and wrongdoing against the company. The Indian government decided to go ahead with the purchase after an internal inquiry and after the Indian Embassy in Rome was unable to substantiate any wrongdoing in the helicopter deal, sources said.

    The sources told NDTV that the ministry’s inquiry has revealed that although the then NDA government had, between 2002 and 2004, changed specifications and requirements, there was no “wrongdoing” or “malafide” established.

    The Air Force had initially asked for choppers that could fly at about 18,000 feet. However, the then Government soon realised that only one manufacturer made helicopters that could fly to 18,000 ft. Also, it was decided, that VVIPs would rarely need to fly at such heights. And if they did, they could use other transport.

    After several rounds of consultations, in which then Principal Secretary to the Prime Minister and National Security Advisor Brajesh Mishra also participated, the requirement was scaled down to helicopters that flew at 13,500 feet.

    “Even with the changed specifications, the Indian Air Force can fly VVIPs to locations above Leh, the capital of Ladakh,” a senior official told NDTV.

    Italian manufacturer Finmeccanica, a company owned by the Italian Government, was contracted for the helicopters in 2010. In 2011, allegations of bribery and wrongdoing surfaced in Italy against the company. The Italian Government is investigating these allegations.

    The Indian government, sources said, had asked the Indian Embassy in Rome to monitor the investigations in Italy to check if there was anything related to the Indian purchase. The embassy, sources said, had reported that it had not found anything to suggest that the sale of AW-101 helicopters to India was rigged.

    Defence Minister A K Antony was briefed about the reasons for the change in requirements and also that there was no material evidence to support allegations of bribery in this deal, sources said.

    Sources told NDTV that Mr Antony was advised that since the deal was initiated by the BJP-led NDA government, the contract could be cancelled even at this late a stage. But the minister refused to cancel the deal.

    Last week, the Defence Ministry told Parliament that an “integrity clause” – which prohibits the manufacturer from paying commission or using middlemen – had been built into the contract. This will allow India to take action against the company if allegations of wrongdoing are proved at any time.

    Govt clears 4000-crore deal to buy Italian helicopters for VVIPs | idrw.org



两年前

       [据美国《防务新闻》网站2010年3月11日报道]  意大利奥古斯塔·韦斯特兰公司近日宣布,已同印度空军签署合同供应12架AW101直升机,合同金额5.6亿欧元。除直升机外,合同还包括为其五年的保障服务和初始飞行员和工程师培训。

  2009年,奥古斯塔击败竞争对手——西科斯基公司的S-92后,获得这一订单。这批直升机将在奥古斯塔位于英格兰的约维尔工厂生产,2013年全部交付完毕。

  奥古斯塔认为,未来十年的印度军用直升机市场价值50~60亿欧元,需求量约为600架。之前,该公司已经同印度塔塔之子公司(Tata Son)共同建立合资企业生产AW119直升机,并建议用该机竞争印度国防部的侦查和监视直升机项目(RSH)。奥古斯塔目前还为印度海军的“海上国王”直升机队提供保障、训练和升级服务。

  AW101的总订单数量已经超过180架,目前已装备意大利、英国、丹麦、葡萄牙、日本和加拿大用户,总飞行小时数超过20万小时。(中国航空工业发展研究中心  尹常琦)

合同涉及价值7亿多美元的12架AW-101直升机,计划用作为印度高官包括总统总理在内的公务机,总理在内的比较坚持,不过印度空军称其高原性能不佳,无法在印控克什米尔地区活动,印度国防部计划下月将作出是否取消这笔交易的决定。

AW-101生产商意大利芬梅卡尼卡集团(Finmeccanica)正在被意大利政府调查是否有商业犯罪行为,与印度的直升机交易是否有贿赂行为存在还不得而知,当然意大利政府不愿意放弃这笔交易

印度习惯性举行很多采购项目,也习惯性取消或延迟很多采购项目。。。
http://idrw.org/?p=16483
Italian helicopters for VVIPs

    Twelve Italian-made helicopters to fly the President, Prime Minister and other important dignitaries will arrive in India next month, with the Defence Ministry deciding not to cancel its deal with Italian company Finmenicca.

    The 4,000-crore deal for AW-101 Augustawestland helicopters was under a cloud because of allegations of bribery and wrongdoing against the company. The Indian government decided to go ahead with the purchase after an internal inquiry and after the Indian Embassy in Rome was unable to substantiate any wrongdoing in the helicopter deal, sources said.

    The sources told NDTV that the ministry’s inquiry has revealed that although the then NDA government had, between 2002 and 2004, changed specifications and requirements, there was no “wrongdoing” or “malafide” established.

    The Air Force had initially asked for choppers that could fly at about 18,000 feet. However, the then Government soon realised that only one manufacturer made helicopters that could fly to 18,000 ft. Also, it was decided, that VVIPs would rarely need to fly at such heights. And if they did, they could use other transport.

    After several rounds of consultations, in which then Principal Secretary to the Prime Minister and National Security Advisor Brajesh Mishra also participated, the requirement was scaled down to helicopters that flew at 13,500 feet.

    “Even with the changed specifications, the Indian Air Force can fly VVIPs to locations above Leh, the capital of Ladakh,” a senior official told NDTV.

    Italian manufacturer Finmeccanica, a company owned by the Italian Government, was contracted for the helicopters in 2010. In 2011, allegations of bribery and wrongdoing surfaced in Italy against the company. The Italian Government is investigating these allegations.

    The Indian government, sources said, had asked the Indian Embassy in Rome to monitor the investigations in Italy to check if there was anything related to the Indian purchase. The embassy, sources said, had reported that it had not found anything to suggest that the sale of AW-101 helicopters to India was rigged.

    Defence Minister A K Antony was briefed about the reasons for the change in requirements and also that there was no material evidence to support allegations of bribery in this deal, sources said.

    Sources told NDTV that Mr Antony was advised that since the deal was initiated by the BJP-led NDA government, the contract could be cancelled even at this late a stage. But the minister refused to cancel the deal.

    Last week, the Defence Ministry told Parliament that an “integrity clause” – which prohibits the manufacturer from paying commission or using middlemen – had been built into the contract. This will allow India to take action against the company if allegations of wrongdoing are proved at any time.

    Govt clears 4000-crore deal to buy Italian helicopters for VVIPs | idrw.org



两年前

       [据美国《防务新闻》网站2010年3月11日报道]  意大利奥古斯塔·韦斯特兰公司近日宣布,已同印度空军签署合同供应12架AW101直升机,合同金额5.6亿欧元。除直升机外,合同还包括为其五年的保障服务和初始飞行员和工程师培训。

  2009年,奥古斯塔击败竞争对手——西科斯基公司的S-92后,获得这一订单。这批直升机将在奥古斯塔位于英格兰的约维尔工厂生产,2013年全部交付完毕。

  奥古斯塔认为,未来十年的印度军用直升机市场价值50~60亿欧元,需求量约为600架。之前,该公司已经同印度塔塔之子公司(Tata Son)共同建立合资企业生产AW119直升机,并建议用该机竞争印度国防部的侦查和监视直升机项目(RSH)。奥古斯塔目前还为印度海军的“海上国王”直升机队提供保障、训练和升级服务。

  AW101的总订单数量已经超过180架,目前已装备意大利、英国、丹麦、葡萄牙、日本和加拿大用户,总飞行小时数超过20万小时。(中国航空工业发展研究中心  尹常琦)
三哥最近没庙挖了
三哥到处签合同,也不管能不能支付的起
公务用机,非得天天往克什米尔去跑,而且就算去秀个几次,临时换别的不行吗,三锅的智商怎么想的,想退货想点好点的理由,无语了
没继续给回扣了?还是想对另一家要回扣?


S-92不错的,美国总统专机,其实就是黑鹰的豪华升级版,据说中国有个土财主也买了一架

项目合作伙伴中有景德镇,部分重要部件MIC

S-92不错的,美国总统专机,其实就是黑鹰的豪华升级版,据说中国有个土财主也买了一架

项目合作伙伴中有景德镇,部分重要部件MIC
老欧洲不是有款三发的吗?
三哥没钱啦
哈瓦隆 发表于 2012-12-10 16:45
S-92不错的,美国总统专机,其实就是黑鹰的豪华升级版,据说中国有个土财主也买了一架

项目合作伙伴中有 ...
一个机屁股是MIC的也好意思重要部件.TW还生产92鸡头呐
饱食而乱喷 发表于 2012-12-10 16:49
老欧洲不是有款三发的吗?
说的就是AW-101(EH-101)灰背脊
3台Rolls-Royce Turbomeca RTM322涡轴发动机

ZumSuperHochbur 发表于 2012-12-10 16:53
一个机屁股是MIC的也好意思重要部件.TW还生产92鸡头呐


首先,你在提两国论吗?
其次,鸡屁股没了也不能飞不是吗?当然到街边买烤鸡自然是不要鸡屁股了;P
ZumSuperHochbur 发表于 2012-12-10 16:53
一个机屁股是MIC的也好意思重要部件.TW还生产92鸡头呐


首先,你在提两国论吗?
其次,鸡屁股没了也不能飞不是吗?当然到街边买烤鸡自然是不要鸡屁股了;P
诶, 回扣塞得少, 定价太低了......
明显是回扣分脏不均嘛
3哥连挖几个庙都没有见珠宝。
还真贵  12架就5.6亿欧元了   
估计单价定低了,现在又没法改,只能放弃了重新签。
说的就是AW-101(EH-101)灰背脊
3台Rolls-Royce Turbomeca RTM322涡轴发动机
三发灰背隼高原性还不佳?
饱食而乱喷 发表于 2012-12-10 18:24
三发灰背隼高原性还不佳?

印度空军认为不佳,不是飞到18000英尺,而是要能在18000英尺飞

灰背脊设计时可能没考虑过要在5000米高原上飞,有这种要求的客户毕竟不多,欧洲的小山包最高才多高啊,可能要专门改改
其实是想重新吃一遍回扣...不反复吃几次怎么对得起那么多采购费
替达索担心啊……阵风真的卖得出去吗
agentli 发表于 2012-12-10 16:32
三哥到处签合同,也不管能不能支付的起
负责采购的有重口味霉女,还有回扣,当然要多采购
三哥的钱呢
真正的原因是别人已经开始调查,阿三怕成交后被查出来回扣,干脆另找一家,反正跟谁做都挣钱
AW-101的高原性能相当一般,无地效悬停高度才1100米的样子
比三哥陆军的MI-171V5差的比较多
但三哥购买的是AW-101的VVIP型,领导专用
看看这玩意的座舱,再看看MI-171和S-92的VIP型的座舱,大家就知道领导为啥选这个了……
纸飞机 发表于 2012-12-11 10:37
AW-101的高原性能相当一般,无地效悬停高度才1100米的样子
比三哥陆军的MI-171V5差的比较多
但三哥购买的 ...
细啊细啊,本来就是以反潜为主的吊扇,搞那么牛逼的无地效悬停有毛用!{:soso_e113:}


内饰很重要,本田车非常烂,就是内部外部都散发着暴发户般浅薄的奢华感,这些年在南方卖的就很火

AW-101 VVIP内部


内饰很重要,本田车非常烂,就是内部外部都散发着暴发户般浅薄的奢华感,这些年在南方卖的就很火

AW-101 VVIP内部
别解我裤头 发表于 2012-12-10 17:24
3哥连挖几个庙都没有见珠宝。
挖庙不够用,得往祖坟上挖。
一批人来收钱,另一批人来找撕毁合同,民主在印度成为工具了,百试百灵的工具了。
真打算这个来高原,欧洲的印度旅游专线立马有大票的支持人群

你兔子干欺负我三哥,我就YX给你看
VVIP是Very Very Important Person的意思么?当看到内饰图,一切疑问都烟消云散~
咋,回扣拿够了,要撕毁和约?那以后谁还来陪你玩啊。
EH101 好东西啊
2012-12-11 13:06 上传



这是MI-171的VIP型,也叫MI-172
都是将字惹的祸
AW-101直升机  真是好东西。意大利卖TG得了
2010签的合同,2013年就要全部交付完毕的合同,现在12年12月要来毁约?
这执行的TNND什么神合同啊?
怎么算,第一批飞机现在也该交付使用了吧.莫非回扣问题还没谈拢?
一个想买跑车-----出去拉风
一个想买时风-----下地拉庄稼
纸飞机 发表于 2012-12-11 10:37
AW-101的高原性能相当一般,无地效悬停高度才1100米的样子
比三哥陆军的MI-171V5差的比较多
但三哥购买的 ...
说实话印度政府的办公场所实在是差了些,没想到对座驾却这么讲究
哇,桃木内饰,真皮沙发,真是很幸福啊
印度习惯性举行很多采购项目,也习惯性取消或延迟很多采购项目