[喝茶翻译]美国军迷认为歼31是山寨美国的技术

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十月初的时候，一些关于中国最新式隐形战机歼31的照片开始出现在航空论坛上。后续消息表明星期三上午这架沈飞生产的歼31在中国东北完成了首飞。

如果照片可信的话，歼31是在歼11的伴随下完成了首飞。但到目前为止，中国官方任然没有证实这一消息。中国军事机构总是对他们的隐形战机计划守口如瓶。

歼31的照片表明它的机体比另一款亮相的隐形战机歼20小。航空专家预测歼31可能会被用来做截击机或舰载机。而由于歼20可以搭载更多的导弹，则会被用来执行对海对陆攻击任务。

根据曝光的照片，歼31的设计表明中国工程师在F22和F35的研究上做足了功课。最然中国官方说他们没有剽窃美国技术，但歼31和F22﹑F35的高度相似性说明了一切。

回复Comments ：

"Chinese military officials have kept most details about their stealth aviation program tight lipped."

Something we have yet to do in the West to protect our own programs.
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"中国军事机构总是对他们的隐形战机计划守口如瓶"
这位网友引用了原文的的一句话，意思是说我们同中国相比，保密这方面做得不够

Looks like the child from a F-22/F-35 love affair.

But still, it show's that the Chinese are rather rapidly progressing. Not even two decades ago i thought i would never see a Chinese (or even more) carrier or such advanced aircraft. Im curious what we will see in the next decades to come.
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虽然歼31就像是F22和F35生出的孩子（这位网友调侃歼31外形很像F22和F35），但我们不得不承认中国这20年来在航空航天技术上发展迅速，很难说他们下个十年会生产出什么东西。

Ok, the defense industries are either completely stupid when it comes to information security or they are letting this stuff "leak" out on purpose.

But I don't believe the former...
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国防科技如果被泄露是相当愚蠢的，因此我认为他们是有意这么干的

I find it interesting that the Chinese decided to unveil its fighter on a largely American holiday, Halloween.. I guess its plane decided to dress up as an F-35/22 baby?

I wonder.. if we stopped developing weapons, would their industry collapse?
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中国选择在西方主要节日万圣节这一天曝光他们的战斗机，大概是计划打扮成F35和F22的孩子（还是在调侃歼31和他们的隐形战机很像）

Maybe we can steal their design back and learn to make ours less expensive
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或许我们可以把他们的技术偷回来，学学怎么可以降低成本。

Well, if the electronics are as good as the ones that have been in my cars, that were made in China, we have no problem. BTW, China financed these with the profits from their crap they sel at Wal-Mart.
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好吧，如果它的电子设备和我那辆中国产的车一样的话，我们就不必担心了，顺便说一句，中国融资是通过在沃尔玛卖廉价商品实现的。

Thank you Bill Clinton for giving them all our computer technology,you are ONE swell cigar smoking guy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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谢谢克林顿把我们的电脑技术给他们，另外你是一个大烟民（这是在反讽克林顿，克林顿在位期间曾实行禁烟，意思是克林顿只会干愚蠢的事）

With GE getting ready to build a new engine plant in China, they will soon have good engines for their J-31's,J-20's and J-15's,J-11's & J-10's. Wait, wasn't Gates who said the US had a 20 year lead in Technology and cancelled the F-22. China will probably be flying their J-31's off their carrier before we can get the Junk Strike Fighter off ours. SAD, very SAD
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随着GE公司计划在中国建一个发动机厂，他们很快将会制造出用来装备歼31,歼20,歼15,歼11,歼10的发动机。盖茨曾说中国2020年前不会拥有四代机并取消了F22项目，结果他们有了歼20。现在他们在我们取消F35之前又试飞了歼31.悲哀，真是悲哀！！

Before you complain about stuff made in China, look at your own house and shed. How much of the items you own are made in your country?

China will become "democratic" when their people want it. I heard a report a few years ago saying some economists suggest this will happen in the next few years (decade or so). IF America is still friendly towards China, they will become a great allie.
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你在抱怨中国制造的东西之前，先看看你的房子里有多少东西是你自己国家生产的？
中国将会变得越来越民主，我听一个经济学家说这一切将可能会在十年内实现。如果美国任然与中国友好的的话，他们将会成为一个好的伙伴。（我说句题外话，最近貌似关于郑智改革的声音越来越多了，可以联想一下，不多说了）

What engine will this thing use? How advanced are the chinese in AESA tech?
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歼31用什么发动机？他们的有源相控阵技术怎么样？

It looks like a duck, but can it swim or quack like a duck? We don't know that yet. I'll wait and see.
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它就个鸭子一样，但是它会像鸭子一样游并“嘎嘎”的叫吗？我们现在还不知道，拭目以待。

Dont worry guys. This thing looks impressive but our pilot asphyxiation technology is decades ahead of theirs
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不要担心，伙计们。别看这玩意有模有样的，但是我们的飞行员憋气能力超过他们（调侃F22制氧系统出现故障）


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2012-11-3 19:45 上传

十月初的时候，一些关于中国最新式隐形战机歼31的照片开始出现在航空论坛上。后续消息表明星期三上午这架沈飞生产的歼31在中国东北完成了首飞。

如果照片可信的话，歼31是在歼11的伴随下完成了首飞。但到目前为止，中国官方任然没有证实这一消息。中国军事机构总是对他们的隐形战机计划守口如瓶。

歼31的照片表明它的机体比另一款亮相的隐形战机歼20小。航空专家预测歼31可能会被用来做截击机或舰载机。而由于歼20可以搭载更多的导弹，则会被用来执行对海对陆攻击任务。

根据曝光的照片，歼31的设计表明中国工程师在F22和F35的研究上做足了功课。最然中国官方说他们没有剽窃美国技术，但歼31和F22﹑F35的高度相似性说明了一切。

回复Comments ：

"Chinese military officials have kept most details about their stealth aviation program tight lipped."

Something we have yet to do in the West to protect our own programs.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"中国军事机构总是对他们的隐形战机计划守口如瓶"
这位网友引用了原文的的一句话，意思是说我们同中国相比，保密这方面做得不够

Looks like the child from a F-22/F-35 love affair.

But still, it show's that the Chinese are rather rapidly progressing. Not even two decades ago i thought i would never see a Chinese (or even more) carrier or such advanced aircraft. Im curious what we will see in the next decades to come.
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虽然歼31就像是F22和F35生出的孩子（这位网友调侃歼31外形很像F22和F35），但我们不得不承认中国这20年来在航空航天技术上发展迅速，很难说他们下个十年会生产出什么东西。

Ok, the defense industries are either completely stupid when it comes to information security or they are letting this stuff "leak" out on purpose.

But I don't believe the former...
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国防科技如果被泄露是相当愚蠢的，因此我认为他们是有意这么干的

I find it interesting that the Chinese decided to unveil its fighter on a largely American holiday, Halloween.. I guess its plane decided to dress up as an F-35/22 baby?

I wonder.. if we stopped developing weapons, would their industry collapse?
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中国选择在西方主要节日万圣节这一天曝光他们的战斗机，大概是计划打扮成F35和F22的孩子（还是在调侃歼31和他们的隐形战机很像）

Maybe we can steal their design back and learn to make ours less expensive
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
或许我们可以把他们的技术偷回来，学学怎么可以降低成本。

Well, if the electronics are as good as the ones that have been in my cars, that were made in China, we have no problem. BTW, China financed these with the profits from their crap they sel at Wal-Mart.
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好吧，如果它的电子设备和我那辆中国产的车一样的话，我们就不必担心了，顺便说一句，中国融资是通过在沃尔玛卖廉价商品实现的。

Thank you Bill Clinton for giving them all our computer technology,you are ONE swell cigar smoking guy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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谢谢克林顿把我们的电脑技术给他们，另外你是一个大烟民（这是在反讽克林顿，克林顿在位期间曾实行禁烟，意思是克林顿只会干愚蠢的事）

With GE getting ready to build a new engine plant in China, they will soon have good engines for their J-31's,J-20's and J-15's,J-11's & J-10's. Wait, wasn't Gates who said the US had a 20 year lead in Technology and cancelled the F-22. China will probably be flying their J-31's off their carrier before we can get the Junk Strike Fighter off ours. SAD, very SAD
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随着GE公司计划在中国建一个发动机厂，他们很快将会制造出用来装备歼31,歼20,歼15,歼11,歼10的发动机。盖茨曾说中国2020年前不会拥有四代机并取消了F22项目，结果他们有了歼20。现在他们在我们取消F35之前又试飞了歼31.悲哀，真是悲哀！！

Before you complain about stuff made in China, look at your own house and shed. How much of the items you own are made in your country?

China will become "democratic" when their people want it. I heard a report a few years ago saying some economists suggest this will happen in the next few years (decade or so). IF America is still friendly towards China, they will become a great allie.
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你在抱怨中国制造的东西之前，先看看你的房子里有多少东西是你自己国家生产的？
中国将会变得越来越民主，我听一个经济学家说这一切将可能会在十年内实现。如果美国任然与中国友好的的话，他们将会成为一个好的伙伴。（我说句题外话，最近貌似关于郑智改革的声音越来越多了，可以联想一下，不多说了）

What engine will this thing use? How advanced are the chinese in AESA tech?
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歼31用什么发动机？他们的有源相控阵技术怎么样？

It looks like a duck, but can it swim or quack like a duck? We don't know that yet. I'll wait and see.
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它就个鸭子一样，但是它会像鸭子一样游并“嘎嘎”的叫吗？我们现在还不知道，拭目以待。

Dont worry guys. This thing looks impressive but our pilot asphyxiation technology is decades ahead of theirs
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不要担心，伙计们。别看这玩意有模有样的，但是我们的飞行员憋气能力超过他们（调侃F22制氧系统出现故障）


本帖首发HSH和CD，转载请注明出处。