超级军网简氏上关于国产11的评论
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2004-12-30 01:39:23 点击: China‘s Su-27s may fall short in capablitly
中国Su-27在能力方面可能有所缺陷
The Russian-supplied upgrade for China‘s licence-built fleet of Sukhoi Su-27SK singleseat fighter aircraft, produced by Shenyang as the J-11, is not as advanced or farreaching as once believed, sources have told JDW.
内部人士透露给JDW说，中国凭借俄罗斯供给的苏27单座型改良型战斗机的生产许可证在沈阳生产的代号为J11战机并没有其曾经想象中的那么先进。
Earlier reports suggested China was close to fielding upgraded Su-27SKs that delivered a level of multirole capability approaching that of People‘s Liberation Army Air Force Su-30MKK.
早期报告提出中国将停止部署升级的Su-27SKs，因为升级的Su-27SK提供了与解放军空军Su-30MKK近似的多用途能力。
To date only a limited new air-to-air capability has been added to the upgraded aircraft and China has not made meaningful step towards producing an ‘indigenised‘ Su-27 fitted with Chinese-built engines, weapons, rader or avionics. Furthermore, Russian industry sources have said that China is moving to halt J-11 production on the grounds that the design is out-dated and lacking in overall capability.
按照合约升级版的Su-27其空战能力有所限制，而中国在本土化发动机，武器，雷达和航空设备的Su-27改造中一直没能什么瞩目的成就。此外，俄罗斯工业人士说因为Su-27过时的设计及多任务能力的缺乏，中国正在停止其Su-27的制造。
Upgrade work for China‘s J-11s began earlier this year under the leadership of Russia‘s Technocomplex group. Currently, " several 10s of aircraft" have been refitted under this programme, sources said. The main feature of this upgrade is centred around changes to the aircraft‘s Tikhomirov Scientific Reseach Institute of Instrument Design(NIIP) N-001 radar, that add the ability to fire the Vympel RVV-AE active-radar air-to-air missile. The improved N-001 VE can control a simultaneous engagement with two RVV-AE missiles.
中国J11的升级工作于今年早期在俄罗斯technocomplex集团领导下进行。到现在，十多架飞机已经重新改装完毕。此次升级主要集中在改换飞机雷达为NIIP研制的N-001雷达，并加装发射蝰蛇导弹的能力，蝰蛇导弹是主动雷达制导空对空导弹。改进型的N-001VE雷达可同时控制两枚蝰蛇进行交火。
The improved radar is not being built into aircraft on the production line. Instead, each J-11 produced by Shenyang has its rader shipped to Russia for upgrade by NIIP before being reinstalled by Chinese technicians. NIIP has offered several growth option for PLAAF J-11s including a further improved radar and the ability to launch the Kh-31 air-to-surface missile. None of these options have yet been taken up and the company says little interest has been expressed the acquiring a multirole J-11.
改进型雷达现在没有装入生产线上的战斗机中。 实际上，沈阳产的J-11都要装船到俄罗斯再由NIIP为其升级。而后再由中国技师来进行重新设置。NIIP一直为解放军空军的J-11s提供几个升级方案以供选择，包括一个更加改进的雷达和发射Kh-31空对地导弹的能力。而上述方案都没有被采纳，并且该公司称解放军空军对期望获得多用途J-11并没有表露太多兴趣。
Neither are the upgraded J-11s compatible with China‘s own active-radar AAM, the PL-12.
同时也没有升级的J-11可以兼容发射中国的主动雷达制导空空导弹PL-12.
According to NIIP, China has not asked for PL-12 integration and the company has been given no technical information on the missile‘s operating modes whatsoever. It has long been thought that PL-12 capability was a cornerstone of China‘s J-11 upgrade plans.
根据NIIP的消息，中国从来没有要求NIIP为其整J-11和PL-12，并且NIIP也没有得到任何关于该型导弹操作模式的任何技术信息。长期以来普遍都认为PL-12兼容发射能力将是中国J-11改进计划的基础。
China is also understood to be developing its own advanced firecontrol radar, perhaps to pair with the PL-12.
中国也一直被认为其正在发展于PL-12配套的先进火控雷达。
NIIP sources told JDW that, in their experience, local progress in radar development has been slow and China‘s capabilities still lag about 15 years behind the leading edge of radar technology.
NIIP消息人士认为，根据他们的经验，中国的在雷达发展研究方向一直进展缓慢，并且中国在雷达技术上与世界前列国家相比还要落后15年。
China remains wholly reliant on Russia to supply the AL-31 engines that power both the J-11 and the Chengdu J-10 advanced fighter. JDW understands that supplier FSUE Salut is currently negotiating to provide a batch of 300 AL-31FN turbofans to support J-10 produnction.
中国J-11和其成都产的J-10先进战斗机的动力系统都完全以来俄罗斯供应的AL-31发动机。JDW了解到供应商FSUE Salut现在正在与中国磋商以提供一批300台AL-31FN涡扇发动机来支持J-10的生产。
irforce5552004-12-30 01:39:23 点击: China‘s Su-27s may fall short in capablitly
中国Su-27在能力方面可能有所缺陷
The Russian-supplied upgrade for China‘s licence-built fleet of Sukhoi Su-27SK singleseat fighter aircraft, produced by Shenyang as the J-11, is not as advanced or farreaching as once believed, sources have told JDW.
内部人士透露给JDW说，中国凭借俄罗斯供给的苏27单座型改良型战斗机的生产许可证在沈阳生产的代号为J11战机并没有其曾经想象中的那么先进。
Earlier reports suggested China was close to fielding upgraded Su-27SKs that delivered a level of multirole capability approaching that of People‘s Liberation Army Air Force Su-30MKK.
早期报告提出中国将停止部署升级的Su-27SKs，因为升级的Su-27SK提供了与解放军空军Su-30MKK近似的多用途能力。
To date only a limited new air-to-air capability has been added to the upgraded aircraft and China has not made meaningful step towards producing an ‘indigenised‘ Su-27 fitted with Chinese-built engines, weapons, rader or avionics. Furthermore, Russian industry sources have said that China is moving to halt J-11 production on the grounds that the design is out-dated and lacking in overall capability.
按照合约升级版的Su-27其空战能力有所限制，而中国在本土化发动机，武器，雷达和航空设备的Su-27改造中一直没能什么瞩目的成就。此外，俄罗斯工业人士说因为Su-27过时的设计及多任务能力的缺乏，中国正在停止其Su-27的制造。
Upgrade work for China‘s J-11s began earlier this year under the leadership of Russia‘s Technocomplex group. Currently, " several 10s of aircraft" have been refitted under this programme, sources said. The main feature of this upgrade is centred around changes to the aircraft‘s Tikhomirov Scientific Reseach Institute of Instrument Design(NIIP) N-001 radar, that add the ability to fire the Vympel RVV-AE active-radar air-to-air missile. The improved N-001 VE can control a simultaneous engagement with two RVV-AE missiles.
中国J11的升级工作于今年早期在俄罗斯technocomplex集团领导下进行。到现在，十多架飞机已经重新改装完毕。此次升级主要集中在改换飞机雷达为NIIP研制的N-001雷达，并加装发射蝰蛇导弹的能力，蝰蛇导弹是主动雷达制导空对空导弹。改进型的N-001VE雷达可同时控制两枚蝰蛇进行交火。
The improved radar is not being built into aircraft on the production line. Instead, each J-11 produced by Shenyang has its rader shipped to Russia for upgrade by NIIP before being reinstalled by Chinese technicians. NIIP has offered several growth option for PLAAF J-11s including a further improved radar and the ability to launch the Kh-31 air-to-surface missile. None of these options have yet been taken up and the company says little interest has been expressed the acquiring a multirole J-11.
改进型雷达现在没有装入生产线上的战斗机中。 实际上，沈阳产的J-11都要装船到俄罗斯再由NIIP为其升级。而后再由中国技师来进行重新设置。NIIP一直为解放军空军的J-11s提供几个升级方案以供选择，包括一个更加改进的雷达和发射Kh-31空对地导弹的能力。而上述方案都没有被采纳，并且该公司称解放军空军对期望获得多用途J-11并没有表露太多兴趣。
Neither are the upgraded J-11s compatible with China‘s own active-radar AAM, the PL-12.
同时也没有升级的J-11可以兼容发射中国的主动雷达制导空空导弹PL-12.
According to NIIP, China has not asked for PL-12 integration and the company has been given no technical information on the missile‘s operating modes whatsoever. It has long been thought that PL-12 capability was a cornerstone of China‘s J-11 upgrade plans.
根据NIIP的消息，中国从来没有要求NIIP为其整J-11和PL-12，并且NIIP也没有得到任何关于该型导弹操作模式的任何技术信息。长期以来普遍都认为PL-12兼容发射能力将是中国J-11改进计划的基础。
China is also understood to be developing its own advanced firecontrol radar, perhaps to pair with the PL-12.
中国也一直被认为其正在发展于PL-12配套的先进火控雷达。
NIIP sources told JDW that, in their experience, local progress in radar development has been slow and China‘s capabilities still lag about 15 years behind the leading edge of radar technology.
NIIP消息人士认为，根据他们的经验，中国的在雷达发展研究方向一直进展缓慢，并且中国在雷达技术上与世界前列国家相比还要落后15年。
China remains wholly reliant on Russia to supply the AL-31 engines that power both the J-11 and the Chengdu J-10 advanced fighter. JDW understands that supplier FSUE Salut is currently negotiating to provide a batch of 300 AL-31FN turbofans to support J-10 produnction.
中国J-11和其成都产的J-10先进战斗机的动力系统都完全以来俄罗斯供应的AL-31发动机。JDW了解到供应商FSUE Salut现在正在与中国磋商以提供一批300台AL-31FN涡扇发动机来支持J-10的生产。
irforce555
中国Su-27在能力方面可能有所缺陷
The Russian-supplied upgrade for China‘s licence-built fleet of Sukhoi Su-27SK singleseat fighter aircraft, produced by Shenyang as the J-11, is not as advanced or farreaching as once believed, sources have told JDW.
内部人士透露给JDW说，中国凭借俄罗斯供给的苏27单座型改良型战斗机的生产许可证在沈阳生产的代号为J11战机并没有其曾经想象中的那么先进。
Earlier reports suggested China was close to fielding upgraded Su-27SKs that delivered a level of multirole capability approaching that of People‘s Liberation Army Air Force Su-30MKK.
早期报告提出中国将停止部署升级的Su-27SKs，因为升级的Su-27SK提供了与解放军空军Su-30MKK近似的多用途能力。
To date only a limited new air-to-air capability has been added to the upgraded aircraft and China has not made meaningful step towards producing an ‘indigenised‘ Su-27 fitted with Chinese-built engines, weapons, rader or avionics. Furthermore, Russian industry sources have said that China is moving to halt J-11 production on the grounds that the design is out-dated and lacking in overall capability.
按照合约升级版的Su-27其空战能力有所限制，而中国在本土化发动机，武器，雷达和航空设备的Su-27改造中一直没能什么瞩目的成就。此外，俄罗斯工业人士说因为Su-27过时的设计及多任务能力的缺乏，中国正在停止其Su-27的制造。
Upgrade work for China‘s J-11s began earlier this year under the leadership of Russia‘s Technocomplex group. Currently, " several 10s of aircraft" have been refitted under this programme, sources said. The main feature of this upgrade is centred around changes to the aircraft‘s Tikhomirov Scientific Reseach Institute of Instrument Design(NIIP) N-001 radar, that add the ability to fire the Vympel RVV-AE active-radar air-to-air missile. The improved N-001 VE can control a simultaneous engagement with two RVV-AE missiles.
中国J11的升级工作于今年早期在俄罗斯technocomplex集团领导下进行。到现在，十多架飞机已经重新改装完毕。此次升级主要集中在改换飞机雷达为NIIP研制的N-001雷达，并加装发射蝰蛇导弹的能力，蝰蛇导弹是主动雷达制导空对空导弹。改进型的N-001VE雷达可同时控制两枚蝰蛇进行交火。
The improved radar is not being built into aircraft on the production line. Instead, each J-11 produced by Shenyang has its rader shipped to Russia for upgrade by NIIP before being reinstalled by Chinese technicians. NIIP has offered several growth option for PLAAF J-11s including a further improved radar and the ability to launch the Kh-31 air-to-surface missile. None of these options have yet been taken up and the company says little interest has been expressed the acquiring a multirole J-11.
改进型雷达现在没有装入生产线上的战斗机中。 实际上，沈阳产的J-11都要装船到俄罗斯再由NIIP为其升级。而后再由中国技师来进行重新设置。NIIP一直为解放军空军的J-11s提供几个升级方案以供选择，包括一个更加改进的雷达和发射Kh-31空对地导弹的能力。而上述方案都没有被采纳，并且该公司称解放军空军对期望获得多用途J-11并没有表露太多兴趣。
Neither are the upgraded J-11s compatible with China‘s own active-radar AAM, the PL-12.
同时也没有升级的J-11可以兼容发射中国的主动雷达制导空空导弹PL-12.
According to NIIP, China has not asked for PL-12 integration and the company has been given no technical information on the missile‘s operating modes whatsoever. It has long been thought that PL-12 capability was a cornerstone of China‘s J-11 upgrade plans.
根据NIIP的消息，中国从来没有要求NIIP为其整J-11和PL-12，并且NIIP也没有得到任何关于该型导弹操作模式的任何技术信息。长期以来普遍都认为PL-12兼容发射能力将是中国J-11改进计划的基础。
China is also understood to be developing its own advanced firecontrol radar, perhaps to pair with the PL-12.
中国也一直被认为其正在发展于PL-12配套的先进火控雷达。
NIIP sources told JDW that, in their experience, local progress in radar development has been slow and China‘s capabilities still lag about 15 years behind the leading edge of radar technology.
NIIP消息人士认为，根据他们的经验，中国的在雷达发展研究方向一直进展缓慢，并且中国在雷达技术上与世界前列国家相比还要落后15年。
China remains wholly reliant on Russia to supply the AL-31 engines that power both the J-11 and the Chengdu J-10 advanced fighter. JDW understands that supplier FSUE Salut is currently negotiating to provide a batch of 300 AL-31FN turbofans to support J-10 produnction.
中国J-11和其成都产的J-10先进战斗机的动力系统都完全以来俄罗斯供应的AL-31发动机。JDW了解到供应商FSUE Salut现在正在与中国磋商以提供一批300台AL-31FN涡扇发动机来支持J-10的生产。
irforce5552004-12-30 01:39:23 点击: China‘s Su-27s may fall short in capablitly
中国Su-27在能力方面可能有所缺陷
The Russian-supplied upgrade for China‘s licence-built fleet of Sukhoi Su-27SK singleseat fighter aircraft, produced by Shenyang as the J-11, is not as advanced or farreaching as once believed, sources have told JDW.
内部人士透露给JDW说，中国凭借俄罗斯供给的苏27单座型改良型战斗机的生产许可证在沈阳生产的代号为J11战机并没有其曾经想象中的那么先进。
Earlier reports suggested China was close to fielding upgraded Su-27SKs that delivered a level of multirole capability approaching that of People‘s Liberation Army Air Force Su-30MKK.
早期报告提出中国将停止部署升级的Su-27SKs，因为升级的Su-27SK提供了与解放军空军Su-30MKK近似的多用途能力。
To date only a limited new air-to-air capability has been added to the upgraded aircraft and China has not made meaningful step towards producing an ‘indigenised‘ Su-27 fitted with Chinese-built engines, weapons, rader or avionics. Furthermore, Russian industry sources have said that China is moving to halt J-11 production on the grounds that the design is out-dated and lacking in overall capability.
按照合约升级版的Su-27其空战能力有所限制，而中国在本土化发动机，武器，雷达和航空设备的Su-27改造中一直没能什么瞩目的成就。此外，俄罗斯工业人士说因为Su-27过时的设计及多任务能力的缺乏，中国正在停止其Su-27的制造。
Upgrade work for China‘s J-11s began earlier this year under the leadership of Russia‘s Technocomplex group. Currently, " several 10s of aircraft" have been refitted under this programme, sources said. The main feature of this upgrade is centred around changes to the aircraft‘s Tikhomirov Scientific Reseach Institute of Instrument Design(NIIP) N-001 radar, that add the ability to fire the Vympel RVV-AE active-radar air-to-air missile. The improved N-001 VE can control a simultaneous engagement with two RVV-AE missiles.
中国J11的升级工作于今年早期在俄罗斯technocomplex集团领导下进行。到现在，十多架飞机已经重新改装完毕。此次升级主要集中在改换飞机雷达为NIIP研制的N-001雷达，并加装发射蝰蛇导弹的能力，蝰蛇导弹是主动雷达制导空对空导弹。改进型的N-001VE雷达可同时控制两枚蝰蛇进行交火。
The improved radar is not being built into aircraft on the production line. Instead, each J-11 produced by Shenyang has its rader shipped to Russia for upgrade by NIIP before being reinstalled by Chinese technicians. NIIP has offered several growth option for PLAAF J-11s including a further improved radar and the ability to launch the Kh-31 air-to-surface missile. None of these options have yet been taken up and the company says little interest has been expressed the acquiring a multirole J-11.
改进型雷达现在没有装入生产线上的战斗机中。 实际上，沈阳产的J-11都要装船到俄罗斯再由NIIP为其升级。而后再由中国技师来进行重新设置。NIIP一直为解放军空军的J-11s提供几个升级方案以供选择，包括一个更加改进的雷达和发射Kh-31空对地导弹的能力。而上述方案都没有被采纳，并且该公司称解放军空军对期望获得多用途J-11并没有表露太多兴趣。
Neither are the upgraded J-11s compatible with China‘s own active-radar AAM, the PL-12.
同时也没有升级的J-11可以兼容发射中国的主动雷达制导空空导弹PL-12.
According to NIIP, China has not asked for PL-12 integration and the company has been given no technical information on the missile‘s operating modes whatsoever. It has long been thought that PL-12 capability was a cornerstone of China‘s J-11 upgrade plans.
根据NIIP的消息，中国从来没有要求NIIP为其整J-11和PL-12，并且NIIP也没有得到任何关于该型导弹操作模式的任何技术信息。长期以来普遍都认为PL-12兼容发射能力将是中国J-11改进计划的基础。
China is also understood to be developing its own advanced firecontrol radar, perhaps to pair with the PL-12.
中国也一直被认为其正在发展于PL-12配套的先进火控雷达。
NIIP sources told JDW that, in their experience, local progress in radar development has been slow and China‘s capabilities still lag about 15 years behind the leading edge of radar technology.
NIIP消息人士认为，根据他们的经验，中国的在雷达发展研究方向一直进展缓慢，并且中国在雷达技术上与世界前列国家相比还要落后15年。
China remains wholly reliant on Russia to supply the AL-31 engines that power both the J-11 and the Chengdu J-10 advanced fighter. JDW understands that supplier FSUE Salut is currently negotiating to provide a batch of 300 AL-31FN turbofans to support J-10 produnction.
中国J-11和其成都产的J-10先进战斗机的动力系统都完全以来俄罗斯供应的AL-31发动机。JDW了解到供应商FSUE Salut现在正在与中国磋商以提供一批300台AL-31FN涡扇发动机来支持J-10的生产。
irforce555
这篇文章的用意和真实性令人怀疑。
<P>好,就这么说吧.</P>
有没有那么糟糕啊，不要以为是ＪＥＡＮＳ就一定有很高的可信度
<P>他们能知道多少？</P>
<B>以下是引用<I>pupu</I>在2004-12-30 19:00:45的发言：</B>
<P>他们能知道多少？</P>
<P>连他们自己的东东可能还没有完全领会.</P>
他们把我们说得越烂越好！
[此贴子已经被作者于2004-12-30 19:55:14编辑过]
<P> <B></B>
<P>苏-27能否使用PL-12绝对是27国产化工作是否成功的硬指标</P></P><P>是1474雷达的生产进度吧~</P>[em01][em01]
<P>苏-27能否使用PL-12绝对是27国产化工作是否成功的硬指标</P></P><P>是1474雷达的生产进度吧~</P>[em01][em01]
1474雷达是什么雷达?
<B>以下是引用<I>大黄蜂</I>在2004-12-30 19:32:08的发言：</B>
<P>苏-27能否使用PL-12绝对是27国产化工作是否成功的硬指标</P>
<P>电子火控破解国造的硬指标更确切。</P>
不好说。
晕啊，超大上的东西，被翻到虚幻，有被翻回来了
<P>----Earlier reports suggested China was close to fielding upgraded Su-27SKs that delivered a level of multirole capability approaching that of People‘s Liberation Army Air Force Su-30MKK.
---- 早期报告提出中国将停止部署升级的Su-27SKs，因为升级的Su-27SK提供了与解放军空军Su-30MKK近似的多用途能力。
</P><P>这里的翻译正好反了吧？应该是接近部署升级的Su-27SK</P>
---- 早期报告提出中国将停止部署升级的Su-27SKs，因为升级的Su-27SK提供了与解放军空军Su-30MKK近似的多用途能力。
</P><P>这里的翻译正好反了吧？应该是接近部署升级的Su-27SK</P>
无所谓啊
<P> 中国J-11和其成都产的J-10先进战斗机的动力系统都完全以来俄罗斯供应的AL-31发动机。JDW了解到供应商FSUE Salut现在正在与中国磋商以提供一批300台AL-31FN涡扇发动机来支持J-10的生产。[QUOTE][/QUOTE]</P><P>詹氏防务周刊记者平可夫2001年6月29日发自巴黎的报道声称俄罗斯SALYUT研究生产中心的权威消息来源证实俄已经与中国签订了正式的契约，由该公司为中国提供量产型J10A的发动机，这一型号属于AL31FN系列。同消息来源声称这项合作计划将从2003年开始，一共将为中国生产300台AL31FN涡轮风扇发动机，转移生产技术的谈判还在进行当中。这意味着中国的J10战斗机计划将从2003年开始启动，生产计划大约300架。</P><P>————万年新闻</P>[em08]
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