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美使馆的环境数据是给美国社区的,其它人别打了鸡血似瞎起哄

就中国投诉美使馆私自提供的环境数据不准确和有违国际公约,美国务院新闻发言人回应如下:
数据是提供给在中国的美国社区参考的(因为美各大城市都有此数据),采集数据源是只有一个点,这只是我们提供给在中国的美国社区的一个户外活动的安全参考(其它人真别像打了鸡血似的瞎起哄)。
我们不会停止,中国驻美机构也可发布。


以下是一些引申,非翻译。
在华的美国社区是什么概念?是不是只要爱美国,都能算是在华美国社区的一分子?



稍候媒体节译:
记者:你认为发布天气报告没有干涉中国内政?

美国国务院副发言人唐纳:不,我们不这么认为。

记者:你也不认为这违背了维也纳公约?

美国国务院副发言人唐纳:当然不认为。这是为美国人提供的服务,那些在大使馆社区工作和生活在中国的美国人。

唐纳表示,美国不会因为中国的指责就停止发布数据。他还称,如果中国也发布美国城市的空气质量数据,美国不会反对。

美国国务院副发言人唐纳:美国已经开始在一些美国城市公布数据。我们不会反对(中国公布美国城市数据)。
http://news.163.com/12/0606/10/83AE40G40001121M.html


QUESTION: Oh, well there’s so much going on today. All right. Let’s start with clearly what is the most important issue, and that is the latest chaos between you guys and the Chinese over the most important issue of air quality.

MR. TONER: Wow. That’s the most important issue?

QUESTION: Yeah. I’m thinking that it might be the most. Have you – has the Embassy heard the – received any formal complaints about its Twitter feed of this – of the air quality, and are you planning to shut it down?

MR. TONER: Matt, we are aware at the June 5th press briefing by Chinese spokespersons – their equivalent, I guess – that they did make a statement about foreign embassies that release environmental information were violating Chinese internal affairs. You know what we do at the U.S. Embassy and other various consulates throughout China. We provide the American community, both our Embassy and consulate personnel, as well as the American community writ large, information it can use to make better daily decisions regarding the safety of outdoor activities. We do this via these PM 2.5 – I’m sorry – monitors that look at PM 2.5 pollution. And this is, frankly, something that Americans – or data or information that Americans get in U.S. cities every day.

QUESTION: All right. So you don’t think it’s a violation of the Chinese internal affairs to --

MR. TONER: We do not.

QUESTION: -- basically release a weather report?

MR. TONER: We do not.

QUESTION: No? And you don’t think that it’s a violation of the Vienna Conventions?

MR. TONER: Most certainly, we do not. I mean, again, this is a service that we provide to Americans, both who work in the Embassy community as well as Americans who live in China. And again, this is a service we’re all well aware that exists in many U.S. cities. Air pollution, quite frankly, is a problem in many cities and regions in China. So --

QUESTION: And just to wrap it up then.

MR. TONER: Yeah.

QUESTION: And so you have no plans to stop?

MR. TONER: We do not.

QUESTION: I have a follow-up on that one.

MR. TONER: Yeah. Sure.

QUESTION: Can you tell me – does the U.S. provide a similar service in other polluted capitals --

MR. TONER: By the way, just to go back, I’m not an expert in Vienna Convention, but I’m pretty sure that this is no violation of the Vienna Convention.

QUESTION: Then you don’t think that– when was the Vienna Convention signed? What, 19 --

MR. TONER: That they had pollution monitors? I don’t think so. They probably needed them, but --

QUESTION: Does the U.S. provide similar services in other embassies in cities which might be polluted?

MR. TONER: You know what? I can take that question. I believe that we may do that. I don’t have an answer for you though.

QUESTION: Okay. If you can check on that. And do you know in China, other than the Embassy Beijing, are the similar readouts provided for sites from U.S. consulates?

MR. TONER: We do. Well, in Shanghai, the Shanghai Environmental Protection Bureau publishes PM 10 data and air quality readings from multiple monitors, while the U.S. Shanghai consulate publishes PM 2.5 data and air quality recordings from one monitor. So these are different – they measure different parameters and indices. In Guangzhou, again, we also have a – we also publish the same PM 2.5 data.

QUESTION: Okay. How about Chengdu?

MR. TONER: That is a good question. I would say, yes.

QUESTION: Okay. Do you know yes or are you just saying yes?

MR. TONER: But I don’t have that in front of me. If that’s wrong, I’ll let you know.

QUESTION: Okay.

QUESTION: You wouldn’t have any problem with the Chinese doing a similar – something similar here?

MR. TONER: Not at all. But again, I mean, what we do in China is – I mean, these are different standards the way we measure this. So this is something we already provide, as I said, in many American cities. But no, we have no objections.

QUESTION: Mark, is it --

QUESTION: But why isn’t it --

MR. TONER: Yeah. Go ahead.

QUESTION: Well, I was just saying that one of the chief Chinese complaints about it is that they say that since it’s – in Embassy Beijing case, since it’s only data collected from one monitoring instrument, that it’s not very scientific and that it doesn’t get sort of – they’re claiming it as sort of specious data that’s being used to whack them. Do you think that it’s scientifically sort of valid to deliver air pollution reports on the basis of one monitor?

MR. TONER: Well, I think we admit that these are from – data from a single monitor, but this is just information that we provide to the American community so that they can make decisions based on safety of outdoor activities. But we freely acknowledge that these are single monitors.

Yeah. Go ahead, Jill. Go ahead, and then I’ll --

QUESTION: Just to clarify. This has not come up before? Is this the first time they’ve ever made a complaint about this?

MR. TONER: I’ll take that question as well. They – I’m not sure whether there’s been similar, kind of, public statements about it. I don’t know.
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2012/06/191782.htm

美使馆的环境数据是给美国社区的,其它人别打了鸡血似瞎起哄

就中国投诉美使馆私自提供的环境数据不准确和有违国际公约,美国务院新闻发言人回应如下:
数据是提供给在中国的美国社区参考的(因为美各大城市都有此数据),采集数据源是只有一个点,这只是我们提供给在中国的美国社区的一个户外活动的安全参考(其它人真别像打了鸡血似的瞎起哄)。
我们不会停止,中国驻美机构也可发布。


以下是一些引申,非翻译。
在华的美国社区是什么概念?是不是只要爱美国,都能算是在华美国社区的一分子?



稍候媒体节译:
记者:你认为发布天气报告没有干涉中国内政?

美国国务院副发言人唐纳:不,我们不这么认为。

记者:你也不认为这违背了维也纳公约?

美国国务院副发言人唐纳:当然不认为。这是为美国人提供的服务,那些在大使馆社区工作和生活在中国的美国人。

唐纳表示,美国不会因为中国的指责就停止发布数据。他还称,如果中国也发布美国城市的空气质量数据,美国不会反对。

美国国务院副发言人唐纳:美国已经开始在一些美国城市公布数据。我们不会反对(中国公布美国城市数据)。
http://news.163.com/12/0606/10/83AE40G40001121M.html


QUESTION: Oh, well there’s so much going on today. All right. Let’s start with clearly what is the most important issue, and that is the latest chaos between you guys and the Chinese over the most important issue of air quality.

MR. TONER: Wow. That’s the most important issue?

QUESTION: Yeah. I’m thinking that it might be the most. Have you – has the Embassy heard the – received any formal complaints about its Twitter feed of this – of the air quality, and are you planning to shut it down?

MR. TONER: Matt, we are aware at the June 5th press briefing by Chinese spokespersons – their equivalent, I guess – that they did make a statement about foreign embassies that release environmental information were violating Chinese internal affairs. You know what we do at the U.S. Embassy and other various consulates throughout China. We provide the American community, both our Embassy and consulate personnel, as well as the American community writ large, information it can use to make better daily decisions regarding the safety of outdoor activities. We do this via these PM 2.5 – I’m sorry – monitors that look at PM 2.5 pollution. And this is, frankly, something that Americans – or data or information that Americans get in U.S. cities every day.

QUESTION: All right. So you don’t think it’s a violation of the Chinese internal affairs to --

MR. TONER: We do not.

QUESTION: -- basically release a weather report?

MR. TONER: We do not.

QUESTION: No? And you don’t think that it’s a violation of the Vienna Conventions?

MR. TONER: Most certainly, we do not. I mean, again, this is a service that we provide to Americans, both who work in the Embassy community as well as Americans who live in China. And again, this is a service we’re all well aware that exists in many U.S. cities. Air pollution, quite frankly, is a problem in many cities and regions in China. So --

QUESTION: And just to wrap it up then.

MR. TONER: Yeah.

QUESTION: And so you have no plans to stop?

MR. TONER: We do not.

QUESTION: I have a follow-up on that one.

MR. TONER: Yeah. Sure.

QUESTION: Can you tell me – does the U.S. provide a similar service in other polluted capitals --

MR. TONER: By the way, just to go back, I’m not an expert in Vienna Convention, but I’m pretty sure that this is no violation of the Vienna Convention.

QUESTION: Then you don’t think that– when was the Vienna Convention signed? What, 19 --

MR. TONER: That they had pollution monitors? I don’t think so. They probably needed them, but --

QUESTION: Does the U.S. provide similar services in other embassies in cities which might be polluted?

MR. TONER: You know what? I can take that question. I believe that we may do that. I don’t have an answer for you though.

QUESTION: Okay. If you can check on that. And do you know in China, other than the Embassy Beijing, are the similar readouts provided for sites from U.S. consulates?

MR. TONER: We do. Well, in Shanghai, the Shanghai Environmental Protection Bureau publishes PM 10 data and air quality readings from multiple monitors, while the U.S. Shanghai consulate publishes PM 2.5 data and air quality recordings from one monitor. So these are different – they measure different parameters and indices. In Guangzhou, again, we also have a – we also publish the same PM 2.5 data.

QUESTION: Okay. How about Chengdu?

MR. TONER: That is a good question. I would say, yes.

QUESTION: Okay. Do you know yes or are you just saying yes?

MR. TONER: But I don’t have that in front of me. If that’s wrong, I’ll let you know.

QUESTION: Okay.

QUESTION: You wouldn’t have any problem with the Chinese doing a similar – something similar here?

MR. TONER: Not at all. But again, I mean, what we do in China is – I mean, these are different standards the way we measure this. So this is something we already provide, as I said, in many American cities. But no, we have no objections.

QUESTION: Mark, is it --

QUESTION: But why isn’t it --

MR. TONER: Yeah. Go ahead.

QUESTION: Well, I was just saying that one of the chief Chinese complaints about it is that they say that since it’s – in Embassy Beijing case, since it’s only data collected from one monitoring instrument, that it’s not very scientific and that it doesn’t get sort of – they’re claiming it as sort of specious data that’s being used to whack them. Do you think that it’s scientifically sort of valid to deliver air pollution reports on the basis of one monitor?

MR. TONER: Well, I think we admit that these are from – data from a single monitor, but this is just information that we provide to the American community so that they can make decisions based on safety of outdoor activities. But we freely acknowledge that these are single monitors.

Yeah. Go ahead, Jill. Go ahead, and then I’ll --

QUESTION: Just to clarify. This has not come up before? Is this the first time they’ve ever made a complaint about this?

MR. TONER: I’ll take that question as well. They – I’m not sure whether there’s been similar, kind of, public statements about it. I don’t know.
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2012/06/191782.htm
话说中央台预报美国城市的天气算什么性质?
ericcui1 发表于 2012-6-6 09:12
话说中央台预报美国城市的天气算什么性质?
属于帝国主义亡我之心不死
                     - 观海
美国到处都是大屎、绿头蝇和蠕动的蛆,你敢质疑?
我就是厕所weatherman,我自豪,我骄傲
在中国的土地上还有美国社区?
美国社区呼吸的也是中国的空气啊, 一个外国使馆凭什么测我们国家的空气??? 这是不是盗取机密!!!
记者:你认为发布天气报告没有干涉中国内政?

美国国务院副发言人唐纳:不,我们不这么认为。

记者:你也不认为这违背了维也纳公约?

美国国务院副发言人唐纳:当然不认为。这是为美国人提供的服务,那些在大使馆社区工作和生活在中国的美国人。

唐纳表示,美国不会因为中国的指责就停止发布数据。他还称,如果中国也发布美国城市的空气质量数据,美国不会反对。

美国国务院副发言人唐纳:美国已经开始在一些美国城市公布数据。我们不会反对(中国公布美国城市数据)。
http://news.163.com/12/0606/10/83AE40G40001121M.html
ericcui1 发表于 2012-6-6 09:12
话说中央台预报美国城市的天气算什么性质?
天气和空气质量是一回事吗? 揭露中国空气质量差可以借此攻击中国政府的环保政策和相关部门隐瞒真相不作为,煽动中国民众对政府的不满,预报天气能吗?什么时候中国政府可以有效干预天气了,美帝驻华大使馆同样会公布中国“天气状况”的。  
斯德哥尔摩综合症集体开始吧
风掣红旗 发表于 2012-6-6 12:39
天气和空气质量是一回事吗? 揭露中国空气质量差可以借此攻击中国政府的环保政策和相关部门隐瞒真相不作 ...
就是因为民众早对空气质量不满了,美领馆的公布才会这么受关注。
当然更加不满的是这种空气质量了,官方居然还公布蓝天占78.4%,当大家都是瞎子看不出来么。
开始吧!!!!!
风掣红旗 发表于 2012-6-6 12:39
天气和空气质量是一回事吗? 揭露中国空气质量差可以借此攻击中国政府的环保政策和相关部门隐瞒真相不作 ...
揭露真相有什么不好吗?如果觉得监测结果不对,可以反驳啊。 像你这样被人卖了还替人数钱,真是少见。
kionline 发表于 2012-6-6 13:49
就是因为民众早对空气质量不满了,美领馆的公布才会这么受关注。
当然更加不满的是这种空气质量了,官方 ...
   同意你说的第一句话。
  问题在于,即使美帝公布的数据是完全真实可靠的,官方的错报瞒报,美帝的行为也是违法国际准则,侵犯我国主权的行径,即使此举客观上促进了相关部门改进工作,产生了一定的社会效果,但这不妨碍它本身的错误性质。
污染这事儿,tg自己治理不好,别埋怨别人。
kakalalaso 发表于 2012-6-6 13:53
揭露真相有什么不好吗?如果觉得监测结果不对,可以反驳啊。 像你这样被人卖了还替人数钱,真是少见。
    你怎么知道美帝揭露的是“真相”?美帝还在西藏、新疆揭露过“真相”,在伊拉克揭露过大规模杀伤性武器的“真相”,现在还正在叙利亚揭露大屠杀的“真相”。至于反驳,环保部已经进行了,某些人视而不见不愿相信是他们的事。
    再说了,就算美帝揭露的数据是真实的,它也没有权力在中国侵犯只有我国政府才有权调查和发布相关信息的权利。小偷就是拿偷来的钱捐助穷人也不代表它的行为是正当的。美国驻华使馆今天能打着服务美国侨民的名义“揭露空气质量的真相”,明天就能“揭露”各种真相,而揭露所在国的真相从来就不是国际公约中规定的外交机构的应有职能。被人卖了还替人数钱的人是那些为美帝叫好的人。
风掣红旗 发表于 2012-6-6 14:06
你怎么知道美帝揭露的是“真相”?美帝还在西藏、新疆揭露过“真相”,在伊拉克揭露过大规模杀伤性武 ...
这个打脸非常到位,赞一个
风掣红旗 发表于 2012-6-6 14:06
你怎么知道美帝揭露的是“真相”?美帝还在西藏、新疆揭露过“真相”,在伊拉克揭露过大规模杀伤性武 ...
第一,如果觉得检测结论不对,可以用事实反驳,不必用下三滥的招数。
第二,MD发布数据碍着谁了?有人被偷了,被抢了吗?能和小偷相提并论吗?请不要偷换概念。
事实只会越辩越明,不过这件事情我看环保部门是没有那个魄力用客观事实来反驳MD的做法。他们自己很清楚空气质量到底是怎么回事。
空气这事吧。唉。每天晚上一层灰。真是无奈了。中原地带污染严重
heavenstar_x 发表于 2012-6-6 14:00
污染这事儿,tg自己治理不好,别埋怨别人。
   我国的确存在严重的污染问题,但这不代表美国可以用这种方式来干预中国内政恶心中国。我国还存在交通事故问题,难道美帝驻华使馆还可以借口保护侨民出行安全而私自公布自己调查的所谓“中国交通安全状况”吗?
  举个例子,我在家和媳妇吵架,即使是我的不对,但不代表外人可以在我家把我们争吵的场面拍成照片发到他自己的微博上。
x_jia 发表于 2012-6-6 14:10
这个打脸非常到位,赞一个
谢谢!:handshake
kakalalaso 发表于 2012-6-6 14:11
第一,如果觉得检测结论不对,可以用事实反驳,不必用下三滥的招数。
第二,MD发布数据碍着谁了?有人被 ...
   美驻华使馆非但没有做好促进两国关系发展的本职工作,反而利用中国民众对空气质量的关注来刻意“揭露”中国空气质量的“真相”,来达到激化中国民众对政府的不信任和不满的离间目的,这和骆家辉如此"巧妙“地出现在王府井一样,都是美国的伎俩,在全世界使用下三滥招数的恰恰就是美国。
   美国大使馆发布数据碍着中国的主权了,进而也从根本意义上碍着中国人民了。今天能允许美国使馆在中国领土上肆意发布这个数据,明天它就会发布其他方面的那个数据,就会成为美国在中国进行宣传战的桥头堡。这比小偷的危害性大多了,可惜很多人被蒙住鼓里,要么就视而不见。
    且不说事实是否真的是“越辩越明”,什么时候轮到美帝来中国告诉中国人什么是事实了?美帝还说中国侵略西藏是事实呢。美帝还说中国政府压迫西北少数民族是事实呢。这些事情在美国越辩越明了吗?
风掣红旗 发表于 2012-6-6 14:26
美驻华使馆非但没有做好促进两国关系发展的本职工作,反而利用中国民众对空气质量的关注来刻意“揭露” ...
支持一下:handshake
风掣红旗 发表于 2012-6-6 14:26
美驻华使馆非但没有做好促进两国关系发展的本职工作,反而利用中国民众对空气质量的关注来刻意“揭露” ...
那就请说明从根本上哪里碍到你了。
maoxuangen 发表于 2012-6-6 14:32
支持一下
多谢支持!!:handshake
那就请说明从根本上哪里碍到你了。
美国的恶意攻击,和空气质量不高应该没有因果关系吧,你再辩论下去只能生闷气,好好活着,比什么都强
kakalalaso 发表于 2012-6-6 14:34
那就请说明从根本上哪里碍到你了。
    美驻华使馆私自公布有问题的、所谓“空气质量信息”→侵犯了环保部的作为有权机关调查和公布我国环境信息的权利→侵犯了我国主权→我是中国人,中国的主权与我有关→妨碍到我了。

    美驻华使馆私自公布有问题的、所谓“空气质量信息”→ 引发中国民众对政府部门的不信任和不满,为今后进行此类宣传活动开辟了先例→破坏了中国政府的威信,离间了其与中国民众的关系→造成政府社会服务能力的下降→妨碍了享受中国政府所提供的服务的我的利益。
我也觉得如果自己检测即时准确也不怕别人也发布。美国使馆的数据要是假的倒是揭露一下啊。
风掣红旗 发表于 2012-6-6 14:26
美驻华使馆非但没有做好促进两国关系发展的本职工作,反而利用中国民众对空气质量的关注来刻意“揭露” ...
说的好,支持。
那中国可不可以在中国驻美国大使馆核试验?
chankam 发表于 2012-6-6 14:53
说的好,支持。
谢谢!
       美国驻华使馆今天能公布中国的空气质量数据,明天就可能在其网站上公布中国的“人权”状况数据、“动物权状况”数据,“宗教信仰自由”状况数据。 这些事儿就是在破坏两国关系,干涉驻在国内政,破坏驻在国国内政治稳定,本来就不是使领馆应该做的。
如果违反了国际公约, 直接外交干涉不成么。
美国的做法侵犯了中国的“最高尊严”,应该要求中国的战略部队对准美国的相关部门,不道歉就从地球上将他们“抹去”{:soso_e113:}
脸被打得啪拉啪啦响的,之前环保部和国务院不看美国使馆的网站?媒体曝光了就说美国侵犯这样那样了,如果媒体不曝光的话环保部和国务院根本不关心这个狗屁问题。
美国的影响力在中国是一步一步的加大,中国有什么不好的都会被精英媒体利用,就象这个空气质量的数据一样,精英媒体偏偏用美国使馆的数据,为什么不是越南、哥斯达黎加使馆的数据?
科学的问题,就要用科学的手段来解决。
你直接指出来他哪里错了就行了。
人家在自己网站上公布,看的人多,信的人多,怎么不好好反思一下。
你堂堂政府的主管部门发布的数据为啥这么多人质疑?
你怎么知道美帝揭露的是“真相”?美帝还在西藏、新疆揭露过“真相”,在伊拉克揭露过大规模杀伤性武 ...
你确实不知道真相。
佐治亚 发表于 2012-6-6 16:18
你确实不知道真相。
    就你清醒,天天看CNN就知道一切真相了。
美使馆的数据是给美国社区的,环保部别打了鸡血似瞎起哄
撒花 发表于 2012-6-6 15:05
如果违反了国际公约, 直接外交干涉不成么。
  美帝这事儿玩儿的比较巧妙,中方不容易抓住它的把柄,就像骆家辉出现在王府井一样,明知道他在恶心中国,就是没有多少办法处理。而且外交部出面容易使事件升级,美帝会有继续炒作的空间。没看这次环保部合情合理的解释都让一些人高潮了嘛。
两手都要抓 发表于 2012-6-6 15:14
脸被打得啪拉啪啦响的,之前环保部和国务院不看美国使馆的网站?媒体曝光了就说美国侵犯这样那样了,如果媒 ...
美驻华使馆在中国搞了那么多小动作,中国政府有几次公开指责了? 要不是美国得寸进尺加之国内一部分问题媒体把这件事炒起来,政府也不会公开给美国点名。
   要不是美帝有钱有势精英媒体会听信它? 它们最势利,谁有钱有拳头给它们好处谁就是爷。当年苏联强盛时国外的信徒也不少。
2008年就开始美国使馆就开始干的事情,如果没有某些人爆料的话,我们的某些政府部门会不会一直不闻不问下去?
再者这些东西最开始是公布在推特上面根本就不是给国人看的,还是那句话如果没有人捅到网上,不知道这个PM2.5概念到现在为止会有几个人知道?