其实我觉得，红外版主说的尾舱装弹安全性，说的实在够轻 ...

所有殉爆场面没有乘员能落好的。
关键在于前苏联坦克车内有太多易燃易爆点，灭火抑爆系统又差，海湾是N年前的猴版碰上M1A1HA，车臣是知根知底的对手，它不丢脸才怪。

真心求教！昨晚看了个利比亚反对派的欢乐视频，坦克在几轮射击后居然内爆，有一身据仙缘之乘员飞天而去。看样子没遭受外部攻击，到底是神马情况坦克会发生内爆？

zhoukun222408 发表于 2012-1-8 17:26
真心求教！昨晚看了个利比亚反对派的欢乐视频，坦克在几轮射击后居然内爆，有一身据仙缘之乘员飞天而去。看 ...
那视频 我也看了
人都飞出来了

zhoukun222408 发表于 2012-1-8 17:26
真心求教！昨晚看了个利比亚反对派的欢乐视频，坦克在几轮射击后居然内爆，有一身据仙缘之乘员飞天而去。看 ...
那个视屏是炸膛了

mg0829 发表于 2012-1-8 19:58
那视频 我也看了
人都飞出来了
求视频链接....

mg0829 发表于 2012-1-8 20:28
靠 确实牛逼 但是 被两辆“装甲车”挡住了点  有可能是被敌人打穿了？

苏式坦克安全性方面落后在消防抑爆系统，喷出来的东西居然是剧毒的……
另外，车里面见缝插针太随意，不愧是消耗品定位

中华海帝 发表于 2012-1-8 20:46
苏式坦克安全性方面落后在消防抑爆系统，喷出来的东西居然是剧毒的……
另外，车里面见缝插针太随意 ...
综合考虑一下毛子其他武器，就连基洛夫级核动力巡洋舰设计时都没有过多考虑过寿命问题。有种说法是毛子没解体前，设计的大前提都是在考虑热核战争。所以大多数武器都被定义为炮灰。同样封存的武器MD二战的战列舰还能启用。然而基洛夫级的大多已经报废......

M60就是炮塔战斗室附近堆不少弹药，炮塔与车体间防护又不是很够，1973年以阿战争就殉爆得很厉害。所以新设计的M1整个从头来过，大部分弹药设在炮塔尾舱，
尾舱外部薄弱，顶部又有泄压板；弹药诱爆时爆炸力量会朝弱点宣泄，从泄压板炸出去，甚至炮塔尾端也一起炸穿也无妨，但是坚固的活门可以保证车里战斗室
没事。实战已经证实这设计很有效，没有M1单单因为主弹舱被诱爆而有人丧命，而且这些尾舱被诱爆的车许多还是能修好。

shulejun 发表于 2012-1-8 21:22
综合考虑一下毛子其他武器，就连基洛夫级核动力巡洋舰设计时都没有过多考虑过寿命问题。有种说法是毛子没 ...
苏联坦克战术要形成装甲洪流，一路压倒性横扫西欧，把数量劣势的西方装甲部队淹没，被炸穿后的生存设计的确相形不重要，反正这种设计方式也死得很痛快（坑爹地把弹药跟油箱放在一起），没什么机会救。

onepiece 发表于 2012-1-8 22:33
苏联坦克战术要形成装甲洪流，一路压倒性横扫西欧，把数量劣势的西方装甲部队淹没，被炸穿后的生存设计的 ...
真是“贴心服务”啊，收尸的直接拿个塑胶袋和一把工兵铲铲骨灰就行了。里面几个人就分几分，外加存底用的士兵铭牌。

多希望中国的坦克也有尾舱装弹啊！

所谓「见缝插针」更精确一点，是说苏联坦克的哲学就是要压缩体积来节约成本大量生产，所以车内再也没有办法在配置上尽量调整提高生存性，人、油、弹全给挤在一起，虽然正面装甲算是雄厚，但只要炸穿就立刻粉身碎骨或全员报销。西方第三代坦克体积大的一个好处，就是内部配置与分隔可以比较完善，没那么容易打到死穴（或者把几个死穴错开），被打穿之后的人品比较高，把运气不好被打伤或打成肉酱的同志抬出去，稍事整修（甚至不必整修）就还可以继续顶著用（当然，坦克舱内可能会留下一些恐怖的痕迹），而不是一中弹就炸个精光。

中华海帝 发表于 2012-1-8 20:46
苏式坦克安全性方面落后在消防抑爆系统，喷出来的东西居然是剧毒的……
另外，车里面见缝插针太随意 ...

所谓「见缝插针」更精确一点，是说苏联坦克的哲学就是要压缩体积来节约成本大量生产，所以车内再也没有办法在配置上尽量调整提高生存性，人、油、弹全给挤在一起，虽然正面装甲算是雄厚，但只要炸穿就立刻粉身碎骨或全员报销。西方第三代坦克体积大的一个好处，就是内部配置与分隔可以比较完善，没那么容易打到死穴（或者把几个死穴错开），被打穿之后的人品比较高，把运气不好被打伤或打成肉酱的同志抬出去，稍事整修（甚至不必整修）就还可以继续顶著用（当然，坦克舱内可能会留下一些恐怖的痕迹），而不是一中弹就炸个精光。

etsongpl 发表于 2012-1-8 22:58
多希望中国的坦克也有尾舱装弹啊！
要看整体得失。如果要尾舱化，装弹系统与炮塔布局都要大改，背离许多中国坦克的既有工程经验，不用等到被打中，衍生的弊病可能就已经够多（例如装弹机卡弹之类）

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onepiece 发表于 2012-1-8 23:05
所谓「见缝插针」更精确一点，是说苏联坦克的哲学就是要压缩体积来节约成本大量生产，所以车内再也没有 ...
谁告诉你只要打穿就立刻粉身碎骨了？车臣俄军坦克都粉身碎骨了？车臣俄军坦克还有中弹几十发，依然开回基地维修的例子呢。西方坦克还没经受过真正的战场考验呢，到底会不会比俄国坦克死的难看，别这么早下结论。

onepiece 发表于 2012-1-8 23:07
要看整体得失。如果要尾舱化，装弹系统与炮塔布局都要大改，背离许多中国坦克的既有工程经验，不用等到被 ...
你还是担心担心M1那用电机开关的隔舱门万一在战场上卡住或者故障了怎么办吧;P

M1受损情况很多种，整辆端掉而且不能修复的，通常是发动机被打穿失火，人员救火无效后延烧数小时，加上呼叫友军坦克、直升机、战斗机以地狱火、小牛导弹的强大攻击合并造成的，在这之前人员早就活著逃出去了。战斗中光是尾舱被引爆的，目前没有人员因而阵亡，有一些运气好没有太多周边破坏（灭火抑爆系统在弹舱引爆后扑灭火势，没有继续燃烧）、底盘完好的，可以修复；要阵亡的，都是压到超大规模IED整辆车炸飞、炮塔掀翻，车内才会有人死亡。

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090325121120AAArsDg

"Nearly all sources claim that no Abrams tank has ever been destroyed as a result of fire from an enemy tank, but some have certainly taken some damage which required extensive repair. There is at least one account, reported in the following Gulf War's US Official Assessment (scan), of an Abrams being damaged by three kinetic energy piercing rounds. The DoD report indicates that witnesses in the field claimed it was hit by a T-72 Asad Babil. The KE rounds were unable to fully penetrate and stuck in the armor, but because of the external damage it was sent to a maintenance depot. This is the only verified case of an M1A1 put out of action by an Iraqi MBT.[21]

Six other M1A1s were allegedly hit by 125 mm tank fire in the Gulf war official report, but the impacts were largely ineffectual.[22]

M1A1 lost to friendly fire during Operation Desert Storm in 1991.On the night of February 26, 1991, four Abrams were disabled in a suspected friendly fire incident by Hellfire missiles fired from AH-64 Apache attack helicopters, with the result of some crew members wounded in action.[23] The tanks were part of TF 1-37,[24] attacking a large section of Tawakalna Republican Guard Division, their numbers being B-23, C-12, D-24 and C-66. However, C-12 was definitively hit and penetrated by a friendly DU shot[25] and there is some evidence that another Iraqi T-72 may have scored a single hit on B-23, besides the alleged Hellfire strike (see Iraqi T-72 article)."

I know guys that were in TF 1-37 and they all make mention of the friendly DU (Depleated Uranium) shot. After GW I, the Army placed more emphasis on identifying their targets. Especially after they shot 17 Scout Bradleys that were doing recon in front of them.

"Tanks D-24 and C-66 took some casualties as well[26] Only B-23 became a permanent loss. The DoD's damage assessments state that B-23 was the only M1 with signs of a Hellfire missile found nearby.[27]（一口气四辆M1被AH64以地狱火导弹误击炸穿，都没人死，三辆可修复）

Also during Operation Desert Storm, three Abrams of the US 24th Infantry Division were left behind the enemy lines after a swift attack on Talil airfield, south of Nasiriyah, on February 27. One of them was hit by enemy fire, the two other embedded in mud. The tanks were destroyed by U.S. forces in order to prevent any trophy-claim by the Iraqi Army."

What they don't tell you is the hard time US Forces had in destroying that tank that was stuck in the mud.

"Further combat was seen during 2003 when US forces invaded Iraq and deposed the Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein. As of March 2005, approximately 80 Abrams tanks were forced out of action by enemy attacks.[41] Nevertheless, the campaign saw very similar performance from the tank with no Abrams crew member being lost to hostile fire during the invasion of Iraq, although several tank crew members were later killed by snipers and roadside bombs during the occupation that followed. Abandoned Abrams were purposely destroyed by friendly fire to prevent recovery of vehicle or technology. Damages by 25 mm AP-DU, anti-armor RPG fire and 12.7 mm rounds was encountered. But on no occasion did anti-tank guided weapons or anti-tank mines strike the US MBTs.[42]

The most lopsided achievement of the M1A2s was the destruction of seven T-72 Lion of Babylon tanks in a point-blank skirmish (less than 50 yards) near Mahmoudiyah, about 18 miles (29 km) south of Baghdad, with no losses for the American side.[43] However, on October 29, 2003, two soldiers were killed and a third wounded when their tank was disabled by an anti-tank mine, which was combined with other explosives (500 kg, including several 155 mm rounds) to increase its effect. The massive explosion beneath the tank knocked off the turret. This marked the first time deaths resulted from a hostile-fire assault on the M1 tank from enemy forces."(第一个M1在战场上被敌火摧毁并造成人员死亡的案例，大型IED)


Again, I knew people who were there and they said that the explosion that destroyed that tank was humongus. 500 kilos is 1,100 pounds, not to mention the several 155mm rounds.


"During an early attack on Baghdad, one M1A1 was disabled by a recoilless rifle round that had penetrated the rear engine housing, and punctured a hole in the right rear fuel cell, causing fuel to leak onto the hot turbine engine. After repeated attempts to extinguish the fire, the decision was made to destroy or remove any sensitive equipment. Oil and .50 caliber rounds were scattered in the interior, the ammunition doors were opened and several thermite grenades ignited inside. Another M1 then fired a HEAT round in order to ensure the destruction of the disabled tank. The tank was completely disabled but still intact. Later, an AGM-65 Maverick and two AGM-114 Hellfire missiles were fired into the tank to finish its destruction. Remarkably, the tank still appeared to be intact from the exterior.[44]（那些被炸得稀八烂的M1若不是IED的杰作，就是这样来的，因故被瘫痪后被下令击毁，用地狱火和更强的小牛导弹狂轰滥炸，爆尾舱也是在这个时候；而这一辆最后内部舱间还是完整的，虽然在猛烈燃烧以及空中攻击之后应该已经不能再修复）

On November 27, 2004 an Abrams tank was badly damaged from the detonation of an extremely powerful improvised explosive device. The IED consisted of three M109A6 155 mm shells, with a total explosive weight of 34.5 kg, that detonated next to the tank. The tank's driver received lethal injuries from shrapnel. The other three crew members were able to escape.

On December 25, 2005 another U.S. Army M1A1 was disabled by an explosively formed penetrator IED. The IED penetrated through a road wheel, and hit the fuel tank, which left the tank burning near central Baghdad. One crew member, SPC Sergio Gudino, died in the attack.

On June 4, 2006 two of the four soldiers in an Abrams crew died in Baghdad, when an IED detonated near their M1A2.
（大型IED当然抵挡不住）

Some Abrams were disabled by Iraqi infantrymen in ambushes employing short-range antitank rockets, such as the Russian RPG-7, during the 2003 invasion. Although the RPG-7 is unable to penetrate the front and sides, the rear and top are vulnerable to this weapon. Frequently the rockets were fired at the tank tracks.Another was put out of action in an incident when fuel stowed in an external rack was struck by heavy machine gun rounds. This started a fire that spread to the engine.[2] [3]. （M1可能因为车尾发动机舱被机枪击穿而整辆烧毁，不过死不了人）

There have also been a number of Abrams crewmen killed by sniper fire during times when they were exposed through the turret hatches of their tanks. (另一个让M1人员伤亡的方式，车长探头被狙击) Some of these attacks were filmed by insurgents for propaganda purposes and spread via the Internet. One of these videos shows a large IED detonating beneath an Abrams and nearly flipping the vehicle, though the tank landed back on its treads and appeared to have suffered no serious damage as it was still mobile and traversing the turret following the attack."

There's no doubt, the Abrams is a bad mo' fo'.

ADDED: No one said they were indestructable. "Forced out of action" could be something as minor as a broken tank tread. They're still one of the best tanks in the world, with the Challenger II and the Merkava coming anywhere close.

Ray is correct about 19Ks worst danger is when they dismount. I know because I helped train loads of them in Urban Ops. Their motto used to be "Death Before Dismount", but that ain't the case no more!
Source(s):

Ex-US Army Cav Scout NCO/Instructor at US Army Armor School

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Tanks take a beating in Iraq
By Steven Komarow, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — The U.S. military's Abrams tank, designed during the Cold War to withstand the fiercest blows from the best Soviet tanks, is getting knocked out at surprising rates by the low-tech bombs and rocket-propelled grenades of Iraqi insurgents.
                Abrams' heavy armor is up front, however, insurgents sneak up from behind, fire from rooftops above and set off mines below.        
Courtesy, USMC AFP

In the all-out battles of the 1991 Gulf War, only 18 Abrams tanks were lost and no soldiers in them killed. But since the March 2003 invasion of Iraq, with tanks in daily combat against the unexpectedly fierce insurgency, the Army says 80 of the 69-ton behemoths have been damaged so badly they had to be shipped back to the United States. (Related graphic: Upgrading the Abrams tank)

At least five soldiers have been killed inside the tanks when they hit roadside bombs, according to figures from the Army's Armor Center at Fort Knox, Ky. At least 10 more have died while riding partially exposed from open hatches. (Related story: Tanks adapted for urban fights they once avoided)

The casualties are the lowest in any Army vehicles, despite how often the Abrams is targeted — about 70% of the more than 1,100 tanks used in Iraq have been struck by enemy fire, mostly with minor damage.

The Army will not discuss details of how tanks have been damaged by insurgents, lest that give tips to the enemy. "We have been very cautious about giving out information," says Jan Finegan, spokeswoman for Army Materiel Command.

Commanders say the damage is not surprising because the Abrams is used so heavily, and insurgents are determined to destroy it.

"It's a thinking enemy, and they know weak points on the tank, where to hit us," says Col. Russ Gold, who commanded an armored brigade in Iraq and now is chief of staff at the Armor Center.

Because it was designed to fight other tanks, the Abrams' heavy armor is up front. In Iraq's cities, however, insurgents sneak up from behind, fire from rooftops above and set off mines below.

A favorite tactic: detonating a roadside bomb in hopes of blowing the tread off the tank. The insurgents follow with rocket-propelled grenades, mortars and gunfire aimed at the less-armored areas, especially the vulnerable rear engine compartment.

It's "a dirty, close fight," says an article in Armor, the Army's official magazine of tank warfare, by a group of officers led by Maj. Gen. Peter Chiarelli of the 1st Cavalry Division.

"Be wary of eliminating or reducing ... heavy armor" as the Army modernizes, the officers warn, arguing it is crucial against insurgents' "crude but effective weapons."

The Army says most of the "lost" tank hulls can be rebuilt and returned to battle someday. Meanwhile, the Army is upgrading the Abrams, including better protection for the tank's engine compartment.

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M-1在1991年波湾战争战损全纪录。

No.         Identification Number         Type of Weapon         Date and place         Description of damage         Casualties
1.         Bumper B-31[12][13][14]

TF 1-5 CAV
        Mine         February 19

Ruqi Pocket
        Tracks/Engine         None
2.         Unknown number[15]

1st Brigade, 2nd Armored Division
        Mine         February 24

Southern Kuwait
        Tracks, One M1 tank struck a mine in the breach and lost some road wheels. No one in the tank was injured, and the tank was back in action within a day.         None
3.         Bumper K-42[16]

2nd Armored Cavalry Regiment
        Struck by DPICM artillery         February 26

73 Easting
        Loader machine-gun and left fuel cell destroyed         1 WIA
4.         Bumper B-66[17]

TF 1-41, 2nd Armored Division(FWD)
        Three DU kinetic energy rounds, after being hit by an Iraqi RPG         February 26

Norfolk line
        Penetration in the hull,

below the turret
        1 KIA
2 WIAs
5.         Bumper B-22[17]

TF 1-41, 2nd Armored Division(FWD)
        One DU kinetic energy round         February 26

Norfolk line
        Front slope hit

with no internal damage
        1 WIA
6.         Bumper A-14[17]

TF 1-41, 2nd Armored Division(FWD)
        One DU kinetic energy round         February 26

Norfolk line
        One hit in the left side of the hull. Extensive damage by fire         3 WIAs
7.         Bumper A-31[17]

TF 1-41, 2nd Armored Division(FWD)
        Splinters of one DU kinetic energy penetrator         February 26

Norfolk line
        Hit in the rear left hull         None
8.         Bumper A-33[17]

TF 1-41, 2nd Armored Division(FWD)
        Two DU rounds, after being hit by TOW missile         February 26

Norfolk line
        Double penetration of the hull         3 WIAs
9.         Bumper D-24[17]

TF 1-37, 1st Armored Division
        Small caliber shaped charge         February 26

Assault on Tawakalna Division
        Impact on NBC exhausts, compartment penetrated         2 WIAs
10.         Bumper B-23[17][18]TF 1-37, 1st Armored Division         Large caliber shaped charge, then hit by an unknown round, likely a KE (non-DU)         February 26

Assault on Tawakalna Division
        Two hits, one on the rear grills, another penetrated both sides of the hull. Catastrophic damage by fire         1 WIA
11.         Bumper C-12[17]

TF 1-37, 1st Armored Division
        One DU kinetic energy penetrator, then hit by anti-tank missile         February 26

Assault on Tawakalna Division
        KE round achieved a double penetration of the hull. The anti-tank missile set the storage area of the turret on fire         None
12.         Bumper C-66[17]

TF 1-37, 1st Armored Division
        Two small shaped charges         February 26

Assault on Tawakalna Division
        Small penetration of the left rear side of the hull. Impact on the turret defeated by armor         3 WIAs
13.         Bumper C-12[19]

TF 4-8th CAV, 3rd Armored Division
        73 mm shell
from a BMP-1         February 26

Assault on Tawakalna Division
        Minor damage to sponson box and .50 machine-gun         1 WIA
14.         Bumper B-24[20]

TF 4-8th CAV, 3rd Armored Division
        Enemy indirect fire         February 26

Assault on Tawakalna Division
        Damaged to sponson box and duffle bags         None
15.         Bumper C-24[21]

TF 4-8th CAV, 3rd Armored Division
        Friendly DPICM         February 26

Assault on Tawakalna Division
        Storage area shredded by shrapnel

Main gun punctured
        None
16.         Unknown number

197th Brigade, 24 Infantry Division
        Crippled by enemy fire, then destroyed by DU rounds         February 27

Assault on Tallil airfield
        Ammunition blown-up         None
17.         Unknown number

197th Brigade, 24 Infantry Division
        Stuck in mud, then destroyed by DU rounds         February 27

Assault on Tallil airfield
        Ammunition blown-up         None
18.         Unknown number

197th Brigade, 24 Infantry Division
        Stuck in mud, then destroyed by DU rounds         February 27

Assault on Tallil airfield
        Ammunition blown-up         None
19.         Bumper HQ66[22][23]

Commander tank, TF 4-64 Armor, 24 Infantry Division
        Two conventional KE or HEAT rounds from a 100 mm gun         February 27

South-west of Basra
        120 mm gunner's primary sight (GPS) damaged and fuel-cell punctured. Sight replaced next morning. Tank continued in combat.         None
20.         Unknown number

Turret number:5840U

Hull number:D10060[24]
        Three conventional KE rounds from an Iraqi T-72[25]         Unknown date/location         Two partial penetrations on the rear turret right side (possible fire in the storage area). Cosmetic damage on the turret front DU left armor plate.         None
21.         Bumper A-22[26]

2nd Platoon, A Company, TF 4-64, 24 Infantry Division
        Secondary explosions from an Iraqi T-72[27]         March 2

Rumeilah Oilfields
        Storage area devastated by fire.

Ammunition blown-up.
        1 WIA

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Revised. 1 KIA due to an RPG-29 penetration in late 2007 (flank hull hit without ERA; it was bound to happen), and many more damaged, knocked out and destroyed tanks due to IEDs. I only added those that were seen to be knocked out/killed in a rebel video (the aftermath must be shown in other words), and those by official sources and US soldiers (both of which are sufficiently trustworthy, unlike the rebels).

M1A1 denotes M1A1HA, HA+, HC, D, AIM, etcetera; M1A2 is basic or SEP when noted as such. TUSK 1 or 2 is applied over the prior tanks.

Tank; cause and effect; location; source; date
M1A1; Armbrust-300 s-side nb-skirt, knocked out; Baghdad; official, pictures; 23/08/03
M1A1; RPG-29 shot through the side, knocked out, sent back to US; ?; US soldier; late 2003
M1A2; IED, 240-mm mortar, catastrophic (first), 3 KIA, driver WIA; Baquba; official; 27/10/03
M1A1; IED (stacked AT mines), catastrophic (second), tank rolled down embankment and turret fell off, 3 KIA, driver WIA; ?; official; ?
M1A1; IED, catastrophic (third); ?; official; ?
M1A1; RPG to side, 1 KIA; ?; official, press; 07/04/04
M1A1; RPG to turret front, frag/burns to commander/loader, gunner also WIA (?); Fallujah; press, video; 07/04/04
M1A1; PG-7V s-side glacis, burnt out; Baghdad; press, picture; 10/04/04
M1A1; multiple RPG hits, burnt out; Sadr City; press, pictures; 17/08/04
M1A1; RPG attack, burnt out, 1 KIA; Ramadi; official, press; 10/11/04
M1A1; ambushed on trailer, burnt out; Baghdad; press; 22/11/04
M1A1; RPG s-side second last skirt, mobility killed; Mosul; press, pictures; 12/02/05
M1A1; AT mine, mobility killed; outside Fallujah; press, pictures; 11/03/05
M1A1; AT mine, mobility killed; Fallujah; US soldier; mid-2005
M1A1; IED, burnt out; ?; video; ?
M1A1; IED, burnt out; ?; video; ?
M1A2 SEP; IED, knocked out; Sadr City; US soldier, pictures; ?
M1A2 SEP; RPG s-side rear-skirt, engine killed; US soldier, pictures; ?
M1A2 SEP; RPG s-side turret side, commander/gunner WIA from spall; Sadr City; US soldier, pictures; ?
M1A2 SEP; RPG-29, knocked out; Sadr City; US soldier; ?
M1A2 SEP; RPG-29, knocked out; Sadr City; US soldier; ?
M1A2 SEP; AT IED (#1), loss; Sadr City; US soldier 2004-2005
M1A2 SEP; AT IED (#2), loss; Sadr City; US soldier; 2004-2005
M1A2 SEP; AT IED (#3), loss; Sadr City; US soldier; 2004-2005
M1A2 SEP; IED or RPG (#1); knocked out; Sadr City; US soldier; 2004-2005
M1A2 SEP; IED or RPG, heavily damaged; Sadr City; US soldier; 2004-2005
M1A2 SEP; IED or RPG, heavily damaged; Sadr City; US soldier; 2004-2005
M1A2 SEP; IED or RPG, heavily damaged; Sadr City; US soldier; 2004-2005
M1A2 SEP; IED or RPG, heavily damaged; Sadr City; US soldier; 2004-2005
M1A2 SEP; IED or RPG, heavily damaged; Sadr City; US soldier; 2004-2005
M1A2 SEP; IED or RPG, heavily damaged; Sadr City; US soldier; 2004-2005
M1A2 SEP; IED or RPG, heavily damaged; Sadr City; US soldier; 2004-2005
M1A2 SEP; IED or RPG, heavily damaged; Sadr City; US soldier; 2004-2005
M1A2 SEP; IED or RPG (#10), knocked out; US soldier; Sadr City; 2004-2005
M1A1; IED, ruptured fuel cell, magazine detonation; Anbar Province; US soldier, picture; summer 2005
M1A1; IED, knocked out, unknown # of WIA/KIA; ?; US soldier, video; ?
M1A1; IED, burnt out; Southeast Baghdad; press, pictures; 25/12/05
M1A1; IED, knocked out, burning; Ramadi; video; 16/12/05
M1A1; IED, catastrophic, driver WIA; ?; US soldier; ?
M1##; IED, destroyed; no casualties; Mahmudiyah; US soldier; mid-2005
M1##; IED, destroyed; no casualties; Lutifiyah; US soldier; mid-2005
M1##; IED, destroyed; no casualties; Yusufiyah; US soldier; mid-2005
M1##; IED on HET trailer carrying tank, tank caught fire and burnt out; Route Tampa, Southern Iraq; US soldier; 2005
M1##; IED (#1), damaged or out of action; no casualties; ?; US soldier; 2005
M1##; IED, out of action; no casualties; ?; US soldier; 2005
M1##; IED, out of action; no casualties; ?; US soldier; 2005
M1##; IED, out of action; no casualties; ?; US soldier; 2005
M1##; IED, out of action; no casualties; ?; US soldier; 2005
M1##; IED, out of action; no casualties; ?; US soldier; 2005
M1##; IED, out of action; no casualties; ?; US soldier; 2005
M1##; IED, out of action; no casualties; ?; US soldier; 2005
M1##; IED, out of action; no casualties; ?; US soldier; 2005
M1##; IED, out of action; no casualties; ?; US soldier; 2005
M1##; IED, out of action; no casualties; ?; US soldier; 2005
M1##; IED, out of action; no casualties; ?; US soldier; 2005
M1##; IED, out of action; no casualties; ?; US soldier; 2005
M1##; IED, out of action; no casualties; ?; US soldier; 2005
M1##; IED, out of action; no casualties; ?; US soldier; 2005
M1##; IED, out of action; no casualties; ?; US soldier; 2005
M1##; IED, out of action; no casualties; ?; US soldier; 2005
M1##; IED, out of action; no casualties; ?; US soldier; 2005
M1##; IED, out of action; no casualties; ?; US soldier; 2005
M1##; IED (#20), damaged or out of action; no casualties; ?; US soldier; 2005
M1A1; IED, burnt out; Eastern Baghdad; press, pictures; 10/03/06
M1##; IED, gunner paralyzed from severe whiplash; ?; US soldier; ?
M1A1; AT mine, mobility killed; ?; US soldier, video; ?
M1A1; IED, mobility killed; ?; video; February 2006
M1A1; IED, mobility killed; ?; video; 11/04/06
M1A1; IED, magazine detonation; ?; video, press; 15/09/06
M1A1; IED, knocked out, unknown # of WIA/KIA; North Baghdad; video; 09/10/06
M1A1; IED, burnt out; ?; video; ?
M1A2 SEP; IED, knocked out “destroyed”; ?; press; mid-2006
M1##; IED, tank knocked out; no casualties; ?; rebel video; 2007
M1A1; IED, ruptured fuel cell, magazine detonation; Fallujah; press, video; 05/01/07
M1##; RKG-3## to bustle magazine; 1 WIA; magazine detonation; Feb. 7, '07, Fallujah, press
M1## TUSK; big IED; unknown casualties; tank blown onto its s-side, gun and mantlet blown off with some of its front turret armor package, bustle magazine gone; 2007, video
M1##; EFP on S-side; unknown casualties; penetration into front fuel cell, on fire and immobilised; 2007, video
M1##; EFP on P-side; unknown casualties; penetration into rear fuel cell, on fire and immobilised; 2007, video
M1##; RPG-29 on p-side nb-skirt; 1 KIA; Baghdad; official, rebel video; 5/09/07
M1##; RPG-29 into rear; no casualties; engine killed, immobilised; video and US soldier; 2008
M1##; IED, rear p-side fuel cell ruptured, tank burnt out; unknown casualties; ?; rebel video; 2008
M1##; IED, tank immobilised; no casualties; ?; rebel video; 2008

T-72MP 发表于 2012-1-8 23:21
保证车里的战斗人员没事？实战证实了这个设计？M1在伊拉克尾舱爆炸的视频你能证明车内的人员没事？人员安 ...

M1受损情况很多种，整辆端掉而且不能修复的，通常是发动机被打穿失火，人员救火无效后延烧数小时，加上呼叫友军坦克、直升机、战斗机以地狱火、小牛导弹的强大攻击合并造成的，在这之前人员早就活著逃出去了。战斗中光是尾舱被引爆的，目前没有人员因而阵亡，有一些运气好没有太多周边破坏（灭火抑爆系统在弹舱引爆后扑灭火势，没有继续燃烧）、底盘完好的，可以修复；要阵亡的，都是压到超大规模IED整辆车炸飞、炮塔掀翻，车内才会有人死亡。

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090325121120AAArsDg

"Nearly all sources claim that no Abrams tank has ever been destroyed as a result of fire from an enemy tank, but some have certainly taken some damage which required extensive repair. There is at least one account, reported in the following Gulf War's US Official Assessment (scan), of an Abrams being damaged by three kinetic energy piercing rounds. The DoD report indicates that witnesses in the field claimed it was hit by a T-72 Asad Babil. The KE rounds were unable to fully penetrate and stuck in the armor, but because of the external damage it was sent to a maintenance depot. This is the only verified case of an M1A1 put out of action by an Iraqi MBT.[21]

Six other M1A1s were allegedly hit by 125 mm tank fire in the Gulf war official report, but the impacts were largely ineffectual.[22]

M1A1 lost to friendly fire during Operation Desert Storm in 1991.On the night of February 26, 1991, four Abrams were disabled in a suspected friendly fire incident by Hellfire missiles fired from AH-64 Apache attack helicopters, with the result of some crew members wounded in action.[23] The tanks were part of TF 1-37,[24] attacking a large section of Tawakalna Republican Guard Division, their numbers being B-23, C-12, D-24 and C-66. However, C-12 was definitively hit and penetrated by a friendly DU shot[25] and there is some evidence that another Iraqi T-72 may have scored a single hit on B-23, besides the alleged Hellfire strike (see Iraqi T-72 article)."

I know guys that were in TF 1-37 and they all make mention of the friendly DU (Depleated Uranium) shot. After GW I, the Army placed more emphasis on identifying their targets. Especially after they shot 17 Scout Bradleys that were doing recon in front of them.

"Tanks D-24 and C-66 took some casualties as well[26] Only B-23 became a permanent loss. The DoD's damage assessments state that B-23 was the only M1 with signs of a Hellfire missile found nearby.[27]（一口气四辆M1被AH64以地狱火导弹误击炸穿，都没人死，三辆可修复）

Also during Operation Desert Storm, three Abrams of the US 24th Infantry Division were left behind the enemy lines after a swift attack on Talil airfield, south of Nasiriyah, on February 27. One of them was hit by enemy fire, the two other embedded in mud. The tanks were destroyed by U.S. forces in order to prevent any trophy-claim by the Iraqi Army."

What they don't tell you is the hard time US Forces had in destroying that tank that was stuck in the mud.

"Further combat was seen during 2003 when US forces invaded Iraq and deposed the Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein. As of March 2005, approximately 80 Abrams tanks were forced out of action by enemy attacks.[41] Nevertheless, the campaign saw very similar performance from the tank with no Abrams crew member being lost to hostile fire during the invasion of Iraq, although several tank crew members were later killed by snipers and roadside bombs during the occupation that followed. Abandoned Abrams were purposely destroyed by friendly fire to prevent recovery of vehicle or technology. Damages by 25 mm AP-DU, anti-armor RPG fire and 12.7 mm rounds was encountered. But on no occasion did anti-tank guided weapons or anti-tank mines strike the US MBTs.[42]

The most lopsided achievement of the M1A2s was the destruction of seven T-72 Lion of Babylon tanks in a point-blank skirmish (less than 50 yards) near Mahmoudiyah, about 18 miles (29 km) south of Baghdad, with no losses for the American side.[43] However, on October 29, 2003, two soldiers were killed and a third wounded when their tank was disabled by an anti-tank mine, which was combined with other explosives (500 kg, including several 155 mm rounds) to increase its effect. The massive explosion beneath the tank knocked off the turret. This marked the first time deaths resulted from a hostile-fire assault on the M1 tank from enemy forces."(第一个M1在战场上被敌火摧毁并造成人员死亡的案例，大型IED)


Again, I knew people who were there and they said that the explosion that destroyed that tank was humongus. 500 kilos is 1,100 pounds, not to mention the several 155mm rounds.


"During an early attack on Baghdad, one M1A1 was disabled by a recoilless rifle round that had penetrated the rear engine housing, and punctured a hole in the right rear fuel cell, causing fuel to leak onto the hot turbine engine. After repeated attempts to extinguish the fire, the decision was made to destroy or remove any sensitive equipment. Oil and .50 caliber rounds were scattered in the interior, the ammunition doors were opened and several thermite grenades ignited inside. Another M1 then fired a HEAT round in order to ensure the destruction of the disabled tank. The tank was completely disabled but still intact. Later, an AGM-65 Maverick and two AGM-114 Hellfire missiles were fired into the tank to finish its destruction. Remarkably, the tank still appeared to be intact from the exterior.[44]（那些被炸得稀八烂的M1若不是IED的杰作，就是这样来的，因故被瘫痪后被下令击毁，用地狱火和更强的小牛导弹狂轰滥炸，爆尾舱也是在这个时候；而这一辆最后内部舱间还是完整的，虽然在猛烈燃烧以及空中攻击之后应该已经不能再修复）

On November 27, 2004 an Abrams tank was badly damaged from the detonation of an extremely powerful improvised explosive device. The IED consisted of three M109A6 155 mm shells, with a total explosive weight of 34.5 kg, that detonated next to the tank. The tank's driver received lethal injuries from shrapnel. The other three crew members were able to escape.

On December 25, 2005 another U.S. Army M1A1 was disabled by an explosively formed penetrator IED. The IED penetrated through a road wheel, and hit the fuel tank, which left the tank burning near central Baghdad. One crew member, SPC Sergio Gudino, died in the attack.

On June 4, 2006 two of the four soldiers in an Abrams crew died in Baghdad, when an IED detonated near their M1A2.
（大型IED当然抵挡不住）

Some Abrams were disabled by Iraqi infantrymen in ambushes employing short-range antitank rockets, such as the Russian RPG-7, during the 2003 invasion. Although the RPG-7 is unable to penetrate the front and sides, the rear and top are vulnerable to this weapon. Frequently the rockets were fired at the tank tracks.Another was put out of action in an incident when fuel stowed in an external rack was struck by heavy machine gun rounds. This started a fire that spread to the engine.[2] [3]. （M1可能因为车尾发动机舱被机枪击穿而整辆烧毁，不过死不了人）

There have also been a number of Abrams crewmen killed by sniper fire during times when they were exposed through the turret hatches of their tanks. (另一个让M1人员伤亡的方式，车长探头被狙击) Some of these attacks were filmed by insurgents for propaganda purposes and spread via the Internet. One of these videos shows a large IED detonating beneath an Abrams and nearly flipping the vehicle, though the tank landed back on its treads and appeared to have suffered no serious damage as it was still mobile and traversing the turret following the attack."

There's no doubt, the Abrams is a bad mo' fo'.

ADDED: No one said they were indestructable. "Forced out of action" could be something as minor as a broken tank tread. They're still one of the best tanks in the world, with the Challenger II and the Merkava coming anywhere close.

Ray is correct about 19Ks worst danger is when they dismount. I know because I helped train loads of them in Urban Ops. Their motto used to be "Death Before Dismount", but that ain't the case no more!
Source(s):

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Tanks take a beating in Iraq
By Steven Komarow, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — The U.S. military's Abrams tank, designed during the Cold War to withstand the fiercest blows from the best Soviet tanks, is getting knocked out at surprising rates by the low-tech bombs and rocket-propelled grenades of Iraqi insurgents.
                Abrams' heavy armor is up front, however, insurgents sneak up from behind, fire from rooftops above and set off mines below.        
Courtesy, USMC AFP

In the all-out battles of the 1991 Gulf War, only 18 Abrams tanks were lost and no soldiers in them killed. But since the March 2003 invasion of Iraq, with tanks in daily combat against the unexpectedly fierce insurgency, the Army says 80 of the 69-ton behemoths have been damaged so badly they had to be shipped back to the United States. (Related graphic: Upgrading the Abrams tank)

At least five soldiers have been killed inside the tanks when they hit roadside bombs, according to figures from the Army's Armor Center at Fort Knox, Ky. At least 10 more have died while riding partially exposed from open hatches. (Related story: Tanks adapted for urban fights they once avoided)

The casualties are the lowest in any Army vehicles, despite how often the Abrams is targeted — about 70% of the more than 1,100 tanks used in Iraq have been struck by enemy fire, mostly with minor damage.

The Army will not discuss details of how tanks have been damaged by insurgents, lest that give tips to the enemy. "We have been very cautious about giving out information," says Jan Finegan, spokeswoman for Army Materiel Command.

Commanders say the damage is not surprising because the Abrams is used so heavily, and insurgents are determined to destroy it.

"It's a thinking enemy, and they know weak points on the tank, where to hit us," says Col. Russ Gold, who commanded an armored brigade in Iraq and now is chief of staff at the Armor Center.

Because it was designed to fight other tanks, the Abrams' heavy armor is up front. In Iraq's cities, however, insurgents sneak up from behind, fire from rooftops above and set off mines below.

A favorite tactic: detonating a roadside bomb in hopes of blowing the tread off the tank. The insurgents follow with rocket-propelled grenades, mortars and gunfire aimed at the less-armored areas, especially the vulnerable rear engine compartment.

It's "a dirty, close fight," says an article in Armor, the Army's official magazine of tank warfare, by a group of officers led by Maj. Gen. Peter Chiarelli of the 1st Cavalry Division.

"Be wary of eliminating or reducing ... heavy armor" as the Army modernizes, the officers warn, arguing it is crucial against insurgents' "crude but effective weapons."

The Army says most of the "lost" tank hulls can be rebuilt and returned to battle someday. Meanwhile, the Army is upgrading the Abrams, including better protection for the tank's engine compartment.

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M-1在1991年波湾战争战损全纪录。

No.         Identification Number         Type of Weapon         Date and place         Description of damage         Casualties
1.         Bumper B-31[12][13][14]

TF 1-5 CAV
        Mine         February 19

Ruqi Pocket
        Tracks/Engine         None
2.         Unknown number[15]

1st Brigade, 2nd Armored Division
        Mine         February 24

Southern Kuwait
        Tracks, One M1 tank struck a mine in the breach and lost some road wheels. No one in the tank was injured, and the tank was back in action within a day.         None
3.         Bumper K-42[16]

2nd Armored Cavalry Regiment
        Struck by DPICM artillery         February 26

73 Easting
        Loader machine-gun and left fuel cell destroyed         1 WIA
4.         Bumper B-66[17]

TF 1-41, 2nd Armored Division(FWD)
        Three DU kinetic energy rounds, after being hit by an Iraqi RPG         February 26

Norfolk line
        Penetration in the hull,

below the turret
        1 KIA
2 WIAs
5.         Bumper B-22[17]

TF 1-41, 2nd Armored Division(FWD)
        One DU kinetic energy round         February 26

Norfolk line
        Front slope hit

with no internal damage
        1 WIA
6.         Bumper A-14[17]

TF 1-41, 2nd Armored Division(FWD)
        One DU kinetic energy round         February 26

Norfolk line
        One hit in the left side of the hull. Extensive damage by fire         3 WIAs
7.         Bumper A-31[17]

TF 1-41, 2nd Armored Division(FWD)
        Splinters of one DU kinetic energy penetrator         February 26

Norfolk line
        Hit in the rear left hull         None
8.         Bumper A-33[17]

TF 1-41, 2nd Armored Division(FWD)
        Two DU rounds, after being hit by TOW missile         February 26

Norfolk line
        Double penetration of the hull         3 WIAs
9.         Bumper D-24[17]

TF 1-37, 1st Armored Division
        Small caliber shaped charge         February 26

Assault on Tawakalna Division
        Impact on NBC exhausts, compartment penetrated         2 WIAs
10.         Bumper B-23[17][18]TF 1-37, 1st Armored Division         Large caliber shaped charge, then hit by an unknown round, likely a KE (non-DU)         February 26

Assault on Tawakalna Division
        Two hits, one on the rear grills, another penetrated both sides of the hull. Catastrophic damage by fire         1 WIA
11.         Bumper C-12[17]

TF 1-37, 1st Armored Division
        One DU kinetic energy penetrator, then hit by anti-tank missile         February 26

Assault on Tawakalna Division
        KE round achieved a double penetration of the hull. The anti-tank missile set the storage area of the turret on fire         None
12.         Bumper C-66[17]

TF 1-37, 1st Armored Division
        Two small shaped charges         February 26

Assault on Tawakalna Division
        Small penetration of the left rear side of the hull. Impact on the turret defeated by armor         3 WIAs
13.         Bumper C-12[19]

TF 4-8th CAV, 3rd Armored Division
        73 mm shell
from a BMP-1         February 26

Assault on Tawakalna Division
        Minor damage to sponson box and .50 machine-gun         1 WIA
14.         Bumper B-24[20]

TF 4-8th CAV, 3rd Armored Division
        Enemy indirect fire         February 26

Assault on Tawakalna Division
        Damaged to sponson box and duffle bags         None
15.         Bumper C-24[21]

TF 4-8th CAV, 3rd Armored Division
        Friendly DPICM         February 26

Assault on Tawakalna Division
        Storage area shredded by shrapnel

Main gun punctured
        None
16.         Unknown number

197th Brigade, 24 Infantry Division
        Crippled by enemy fire, then destroyed by DU rounds         February 27

Assault on Tallil airfield
        Ammunition blown-up         None
17.         Unknown number

197th Brigade, 24 Infantry Division
        Stuck in mud, then destroyed by DU rounds         February 27

Assault on Tallil airfield
        Ammunition blown-up         None
18.         Unknown number

197th Brigade, 24 Infantry Division
        Stuck in mud, then destroyed by DU rounds         February 27

Assault on Tallil airfield
        Ammunition blown-up         None
19.         Bumper HQ66[22][23]

Commander tank, TF 4-64 Armor, 24 Infantry Division
        Two conventional KE or HEAT rounds from a 100 mm gun         February 27

South-west of Basra
        120 mm gunner's primary sight (GPS) damaged and fuel-cell punctured. Sight replaced next morning. Tank continued in combat.         None
20.         Unknown number

Turret number:5840U

Hull number:D10060[24]
        Three conventional KE rounds from an Iraqi T-72[25]         Unknown date/location         Two partial penetrations on the rear turret right side (possible fire in the storage area). Cosmetic damage on the turret front DU left armor plate.         None
21.         Bumper A-22[26]

2nd Platoon, A Company, TF 4-64, 24 Infantry Division
        Secondary explosions from an Iraqi T-72[27]         March 2

Rumeilah Oilfields
        Storage area devastated by fire.

Ammunition blown-up.
        1 WIA

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Revised. 1 KIA due to an RPG-29 penetration in late 2007 (flank hull hit without ERA; it was bound to happen), and many more damaged, knocked out and destroyed tanks due to IEDs. I only added those that were seen to be knocked out/killed in a rebel video (the aftermath must be shown in other words), and those by official sources and US soldiers (both of which are sufficiently trustworthy, unlike the rebels).

M1A1 denotes M1A1HA, HA+, HC, D, AIM, etcetera; M1A2 is basic or SEP when noted as such. TUSK 1 or 2 is applied over the prior tanks.

Tank; cause and effect; location; source; date
M1A1; Armbrust-300 s-side nb-skirt, knocked out; Baghdad; official, pictures; 23/08/03
M1A1; RPG-29 shot through the side, knocked out, sent back to US; ?; US soldier; late 2003
M1A2; IED, 240-mm mortar, catastrophic (first), 3 KIA, driver WIA; Baquba; official; 27/10/03
M1A1; IED (stacked AT mines), catastrophic (second), tank rolled down embankment and turret fell off, 3 KIA, driver WIA; ?; official; ?
M1A1; IED, catastrophic (third); ?; official; ?
M1A1; RPG to side, 1 KIA; ?; official, press; 07/04/04
M1A1; RPG to turret front, frag/burns to commander/loader, gunner also WIA (?); Fallujah; press, video; 07/04/04
M1A1; PG-7V s-side glacis, burnt out; Baghdad; press, picture; 10/04/04
M1A1; multiple RPG hits, burnt out; Sadr City; press, pictures; 17/08/04
M1A1; RPG attack, burnt out, 1 KIA; Ramadi; official, press; 10/11/04
M1A1; ambushed on trailer, burnt out; Baghdad; press; 22/11/04
M1A1; RPG s-side second last skirt, mobility killed; Mosul; press, pictures; 12/02/05
M1A1; AT mine, mobility killed; outside Fallujah; press, pictures; 11/03/05
M1A1; AT mine, mobility killed; Fallujah; US soldier; mid-2005
M1A1; IED, burnt out; ?; video; ?
M1A1; IED, burnt out; ?; video; ?
M1A2 SEP; IED, knocked out; Sadr City; US soldier, pictures; ?
M1A2 SEP; RPG s-side rear-skirt, engine killed; US soldier, pictures; ?
M1A2 SEP; RPG s-side turret side, commander/gunner WIA from spall; Sadr City; US soldier, pictures; ?
M1A2 SEP; RPG-29, knocked out; Sadr City; US soldier; ?
M1A2 SEP; RPG-29, knocked out; Sadr City; US soldier; ?
M1A2 SEP; AT IED (#1), loss; Sadr City; US soldier 2004-2005
M1A2 SEP; AT IED (#2), loss; Sadr City; US soldier; 2004-2005
M1A2 SEP; AT IED (#3), loss; Sadr City; US soldier; 2004-2005
M1A2 SEP; IED or RPG (#1); knocked out; Sadr City; US soldier; 2004-2005
M1A2 SEP; IED or RPG, heavily damaged; Sadr City; US soldier; 2004-2005
M1A2 SEP; IED or RPG, heavily damaged; Sadr City; US soldier; 2004-2005
M1A2 SEP; IED or RPG, heavily damaged; Sadr City; US soldier; 2004-2005
M1A2 SEP; IED or RPG, heavily damaged; Sadr City; US soldier; 2004-2005
M1A2 SEP; IED or RPG, heavily damaged; Sadr City; US soldier; 2004-2005
M1A2 SEP; IED or RPG, heavily damaged; Sadr City; US soldier; 2004-2005
M1A2 SEP; IED or RPG, heavily damaged; Sadr City; US soldier; 2004-2005
M1A2 SEP; IED or RPG, heavily damaged; Sadr City; US soldier; 2004-2005
M1A2 SEP; IED or RPG (#10), knocked out; US soldier; Sadr City; 2004-2005
M1A1; IED, ruptured fuel cell, magazine detonation; Anbar Province; US soldier, picture; summer 2005
M1A1; IED, knocked out, unknown # of WIA/KIA; ?; US soldier, video; ?
M1A1; IED, burnt out; Southeast Baghdad; press, pictures; 25/12/05
M1A1; IED, knocked out, burning; Ramadi; video; 16/12/05
M1A1; IED, catastrophic, driver WIA; ?; US soldier; ?
M1##; IED, destroyed; no casualties; Mahmudiyah; US soldier; mid-2005
M1##; IED, destroyed; no casualties; Lutifiyah; US soldier; mid-2005
M1##; IED, destroyed; no casualties; Yusufiyah; US soldier; mid-2005
M1##; IED on HET trailer carrying tank, tank caught fire and burnt out; Route Tampa, Southern Iraq; US soldier; 2005
M1##; IED (#1), damaged or out of action; no casualties; ?; US soldier; 2005
M1##; IED, out of action; no casualties; ?; US soldier; 2005
M1##; IED, out of action; no casualties; ?; US soldier; 2005
M1##; IED, out of action; no casualties; ?; US soldier; 2005
M1##; IED, out of action; no casualties; ?; US soldier; 2005
M1##; IED, out of action; no casualties; ?; US soldier; 2005
M1##; IED, out of action; no casualties; ?; US soldier; 2005
M1##; IED, out of action; no casualties; ?; US soldier; 2005
M1##; IED, out of action; no casualties; ?; US soldier; 2005
M1##; IED, out of action; no casualties; ?; US soldier; 2005
M1##; IED, out of action; no casualties; ?; US soldier; 2005
M1##; IED, out of action; no casualties; ?; US soldier; 2005
M1##; IED, out of action; no casualties; ?; US soldier; 2005
M1##; IED, out of action; no casualties; ?; US soldier; 2005
M1##; IED, out of action; no casualties; ?; US soldier; 2005
M1##; IED, out of action; no casualties; ?; US soldier; 2005
M1##; IED, out of action; no casualties; ?; US soldier; 2005
M1##; IED, out of action; no casualties; ?; US soldier; 2005
M1##; IED, out of action; no casualties; ?; US soldier; 2005
M1##; IED (#20), damaged or out of action; no casualties; ?; US soldier; 2005
M1A1; IED, burnt out; Eastern Baghdad; press, pictures; 10/03/06
M1##; IED, gunner paralyzed from severe whiplash; ?; US soldier; ?
M1A1; AT mine, mobility killed; ?; US soldier, video; ?
M1A1; IED, mobility killed; ?; video; February 2006
M1A1; IED, mobility killed; ?; video; 11/04/06
M1A1; IED, magazine detonation; ?; video, press; 15/09/06
M1A1; IED, knocked out, unknown # of WIA/KIA; North Baghdad; video; 09/10/06
M1A1; IED, burnt out; ?; video; ?
M1A2 SEP; IED, knocked out “destroyed”; ?; press; mid-2006
M1##; IED, tank knocked out; no casualties; ?; rebel video; 2007
M1A1; IED, ruptured fuel cell, magazine detonation; Fallujah; press, video; 05/01/07
M1##; RKG-3## to bustle magazine; 1 WIA; magazine detonation; Feb. 7, '07, Fallujah, press
M1## TUSK; big IED; unknown casualties; tank blown onto its s-side, gun and mantlet blown off with some of its front turret armor package, bustle magazine gone; 2007, video
M1##; EFP on S-side; unknown casualties; penetration into front fuel cell, on fire and immobilised; 2007, video
M1##; EFP on P-side; unknown casualties; penetration into rear fuel cell, on fire and immobilised; 2007, video
M1##; RPG-29 on p-side nb-skirt; 1 KIA; Baghdad; official, rebel video; 5/09/07
M1##; RPG-29 into rear; no casualties; engine killed, immobilised; video and US soldier; 2008
M1##; IED, rear p-side fuel cell ruptured, tank burnt out; unknown casualties; ?; rebel video; 2008
M1##; IED, tank immobilised; no casualties; ?; rebel video; 2008

M1那个尾仓还真不是噱头


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灭火剂对人而言都是“有毒”的，抑爆系统工作后人员都要尽快撤出来，否则会窒息。
毛子前段时间的核艇事故被憋死的就是例子

伊拉克战场以及第一次车臣战役被全毁的俄制坦克表示没有压力。那一辆没被打穿也没有被击中要害；同样是炮塔与车体之间的部位以及弹舱，M1这类西方第三代坦克跟苏联坦克被击穿之后的生存或全毁情况，自己去研究清楚，不要用一个个案来当成整体的常模，这几种坦克历经的战火都不少了。对了，你好像不知道苏联坦克弹药跟油箱都是做在一起，而且弹舱没有屏蔽。豹二虽然也有车体弹舱但至少每个弹药有个别隔离。

俄式坦克最先进装甲自然不输给西方，然而一辆坦克不可能每一部分都跟正面一样厚实；而在遭到贯穿之后增加存活的设计，俄式坦克除非整个重新设计并且放大（才有体积重整车内布局），否则还是好不到哪里去。T90已经把一些装弹机以外的弹药挪到炮塔尾舱里，但是再装填需要下车进行。

T-72MP 发表于 2012-1-8 23:27
谁告诉你只要打穿就立刻粉身碎骨了？车臣俄军坦克都粉身碎骨了？车臣俄军坦克还有中弹几十发，依然开回基 ...

伊拉克战场以及第一次车臣战役被全毁的俄制坦克表示没有压力。那一辆没被打穿也没有被击中要害；同样是炮塔与车体之间的部位以及弹舱，M1这类西方第三代坦克跟苏联坦克被击穿之后的生存或全毁情况，自己去研究清楚，不要用一个个案来当成整体的常模，这几种坦克历经的战火都不少了。对了，你好像不知道苏联坦克弹药跟油箱都是做在一起，而且弹舱没有屏蔽。豹二虽然也有车体弹舱但至少每个弹药有个别隔离。

俄式坦克最先进装甲自然不输给西方，然而一辆坦克不可能每一部分都跟正面一样厚实；而在遭到贯穿之后增加存活的设计，俄式坦克除非整个重新设计并且放大（才有体积重整车内布局），否则还是好不到哪里去。T90已经把一些装弹机以外的弹药挪到炮塔尾舱里，但是再装填需要下车进行。

T-72MP 发表于 2012-1-8 23:27
谁告诉你只要打穿就立刻粉身碎骨了？车臣俄军坦克都粉身碎骨了？车臣俄军坦克还有中弹几十发，依然开回基 ...
T-72系列在每场战争中都有飞炮塔的情况，而且为数都不少，你就继续装看不见吧。

利比亚那个视频飞出来的人不是乘员吧，看着是靠近坦克边上的皮卡机枪手

提一下一辆在1991年波湾战争被毁的M1A1HA坦克Bravo-23的故事，发生在四辆M-1A1被AH64误击的夜晚，
其中只有这辆Bravo-23永久损毁。

Bravo-23战损报告的总结：



根据报告，Bravo-23首先被一枚不明的敌弹命中发动机舱，火势立刻被抑爆系统扑灭，但这辆车也失去机动力，此时还没有人员受伤。
由于发动机舱仍在冒烟，车上人员将炮塔转向侧面（避免火势蔓延到弹舱）。然而接著，这辆战车炮塔尾舱
中弹，当场引爆，巨大的震动让装填手撞上舱壁受伤，也是车上唯一受伤的人员。这辆车上的人员都即时撤出并被另一辆友军坦克救走，
火猛烈的火势烧毁遍辆坦克外部，融毁悬挂系统。即便外部破烂不堪，内部战斗舱依旧完好。

后来Bravo-23附近发现一枚地狱火导弹的残骸，应该是这枚导弹摧毁了该车。然而根据另一些资料，

Bravo-23可能是被一辆T-72击穿了炮塔尾舱

On the night of February 26, 1991, four Abrams were disabled in a suspected friendly fire incident by Hellfire missiles fired from AH-64 Apache attack helicopters, with the result of some crew members wounded in action.[6] The tanks were part of TF 1-37,[7] attacking a large section of Tawakalna Republican Guard Division, their numbers being B-23, C-12, D-24 and C-66. However, C-12 was definitively hit and penetrated by a friendly DU shot[8] and there is some evidence that another Iraqi T-72 may have scored a single hit on B-23, besides the alleged Hellfire strike (see Iraqi T-72 article).

Tanks D-24 and C-66 took some casualties as well[9] Only B-23 became a permanent loss. The DoD's damage assessments state that B-23 was the only M1 with signs of a Hellfire missile found nearby



贯穿的示意图。

所以光凭照片而没有任何关键的资讯，根本无法判断这辆坦克击中当下战斗舱是否完好、人员是否伤亡，或者损坏是持续燃烧或友军空中攻击而造成。




提一下一辆在1991年波湾战争被毁的M1A1HA坦克Bravo-23的故事，发生在四辆M-1A1被AH64误击的夜晚，
其中只有这辆Bravo-23永久损毁。

Bravo-23战损报告的总结：



根据报告，Bravo-23首先被一枚不明的敌弹命中发动机舱，火势立刻被抑爆系统扑灭，但这辆车也失去机动力，此时还没有人员受伤。
由于发动机舱仍在冒烟，车上人员将炮塔转向侧面（避免火势蔓延到弹舱）。然而接著，这辆战车炮塔尾舱
中弹，当场引爆，巨大的震动让装填手撞上舱壁受伤，也是车上唯一受伤的人员。这辆车上的人员都即时撤出并被另一辆友军坦克救走，
火猛烈的火势烧毁遍辆坦克外部，融毁悬挂系统。即便外部破烂不堪，内部战斗舱依旧完好。

后来Bravo-23附近发现一枚地狱火导弹的残骸，应该是这枚导弹摧毁了该车。然而根据另一些资料，

Bravo-23可能是被一辆T-72击穿了炮塔尾舱

On the night of February 26, 1991, four Abrams were disabled in a suspected friendly fire incident by Hellfire missiles fired from AH-64 Apache attack helicopters, with the result of some crew members wounded in action.[6] The tanks were part of TF 1-37,[7] attacking a large section of Tawakalna Republican Guard Division, their numbers being B-23, C-12, D-24 and C-66. However, C-12 was definitively hit and penetrated by a friendly DU shot[8] and there is some evidence that another Iraqi T-72 may have scored a single hit on B-23, besides the alleged Hellfire strike (see Iraqi T-72 article).

Tanks D-24 and C-66 took some casualties as well[9] Only B-23 became a permanent loss. The DoD's damage assessments state that B-23 was the only M1 with signs of a Hellfire missile found nearby



贯穿的示意图。

所以光凭照片而没有任何关键的资讯，根本无法判断这辆坦克击中当下战斗舱是否完好、人员是否伤亡，或者损坏是持续燃烧或友军空中攻击而造成。

5.8x42mm_DBP 发表于 2012-1-9 05:48
看来这辆还是去修了，都坏成这样居然还能修。所以说炮塔尾的弹舱没列在hull里，这部分被穿透炸开了（就是要弄得薄弱给他炸掉），但是车体都是好的。打爆炮塔尾舱那一发应该是T72的杰作。

onepiece 发表于 2012-1-8 23:56
M1受损情况很多种，整辆端掉而且不能修复的，通常是发动机被打穿失火，人员救火无效后延烧数小时，加上 ...
不知道这个统计的官方出处在哪里？

yahoo毕竟不具有权威性。

onepiece 发表于 2012-1-8 22:33
苏联坦克战术要形成装甲洪流，一路压倒性横扫西欧，把数量劣势的西方装甲部队淹没，被炸穿后的生存设计的 ...
想法缩减车体体积，减少中弹面，设计师要想尽方法多装弹药的结果，看着还行，但一找人开片儿，就露了儿。

rainbowfire 发表于 2012-1-9 02:25
利比亚那个视频飞出来的人不是乘员吧，看着是靠近坦克边上的皮卡机枪手
应该是坦克内的乘员，如果是皮卡的了应该斜射出去，而视频中的是垂直的。

这个帖子有点意思，等后续

营养贴，支持继续讨论

支持onepiece拿证据说法
毛子坦克的衰落是不争的事实

1尾舱的弹药全爆，其当量远不止3枚155mm杀伤爆破榴弹。

2、铜斑蛇是破甲战斗部，因此用M60侧面来对比隔板是不适宜的。

onepiece 发表于 2012-1-9 04:07
提一下一辆在1991年波湾战争被毁的M1A1HA坦克Bravo-23的故事，发生在四辆M-1A1被AH64误击的夜晚，
其中 ...
要贴报告全文翻译。。

这种爆炸，车内有人的话不死人是绝对不可能的。除非把炮塔前甲用来当尾舱的屏蔽板，否则根本起不到什么屏蔽作用。从照片上已足以看出整个尾部隔舱六个面的板已完全被炸破，车内不但乘员必死，所有主要子系统也必定被摧毁。还别说M1那个薄弱的隔板实际并无隔离作用，就算有个上百毫米的均质钢板，能起到隔离爆轰产物的作用，相当于数十公斤炸药量的爆炸，通过装甲的传导，在车内再次形成的冲击波也足以杀死战斗室内所有乘员。实弹射击的结果是，打击坦克炮塔均质装甲部分，152mm级别榴弹足以对战斗室内所有乘员都造成重伤以上的伤害。

onepiece 发表于 2012-1-9 00:15
伊拉克战场以及第一次车臣战役被全毁的俄制坦克表示没有压力。那一辆没被打穿也没有被击中要害；同样是 ...
T90AM炮塔尾舱里才寥寥几发炮弹，看清楚点

2012-1-9 10:05 上传

炸成这穷样不死人，只有美帝的宣传会这么无耻无脑

朝弱点宣泄那是扯淡的说法。几十发弹药上百公斤的发射药，加之十来发高爆弹的猛炸药，仅给一个口子宣泄根本算不得开放空间爆炸，依然是一种封闭空间爆炸，受到的破坏比完全封闭的虽然小不少，但这么大的能量，别说那个纤维隔板，就是10、20毫米的装甲都挡不住。更何况爆炸产生的爆轰产物光挡住根本算不得有效的防护，还必须采取大厚度，多层不同声阻抗系数材料叠压的屏蔽板，才能有效防护爆轰产物在屏蔽板中产生的应力波在内表面的自由界面卸载再次生成的空气冲击波的作用。


也就是说，假使要设计一个真正有效的尾舱，那么仅有按照如下思路设计：

1、在尾舱的顶、后、侧面都设计泄压板

2、采用数百毫米厚的，由多层不同声阻抗系数的材料制成的复合装甲板进行屏蔽

3、屏蔽用的装甲板，要设计甲内的加强结构，避免受到数百万个大气压的压强、持续数秒的冲击作用下，发生整体结构破坏。

4、屏蔽层内应采用数层发泡铝等材料吸收透射的应力波能量，减小屏蔽装甲的损伤。

5、屏蔽层与炮塔侧甲的连接结构需要大幅度加强。

参考资料见《爆炸力学》

可见根据武器毁伤实践的结果，以及大量战场照片来看，如果真要通过尾舱装弹提高安全性，那么必然就要大幅度增重，相当于又安装了一块炮塔前装甲用来专门屏蔽尾舱弹药殉爆的冲击，以使泄压板的泄压在数枚以至全部炮弹殉爆时仍能真正能发挥作用。
现有的泄压板，其实只能起到在个别弹药的射药殉爆时，泄掉高热的爆炸产物以免引爆更多的弹药。

onepiece 发表于 2012-1-8 22:29
M60就是炮塔战斗室附近堆不少弹药，炮塔与车体间防护又不是很够，1973年以阿战争就殉爆得很厉害。所以新设计 ...

朝弱点宣泄那是扯淡的说法。几十发弹药上百公斤的发射药，加之十来发高爆弹的猛炸药，仅给一个口子宣泄根本算不得开放空间爆炸，依然是一种封闭空间爆炸，受到的破坏比完全封闭的虽然小不少，但这么大的能量，别说那个纤维隔板，就是10、20毫米的装甲都挡不住。更何况爆炸产生的爆轰产物光挡住根本算不得有效的防护，还必须采取大厚度，多层不同声阻抗系数材料叠压的屏蔽板，才能有效防护爆轰产物在屏蔽板中产生的应力波在内表面的自由界面卸载再次生成的空气冲击波的作用。


也就是说，假使要设计一个真正有效的尾舱，那么仅有按照如下思路设计：

1、在尾舱的顶、后、侧面都设计泄压板

2、采用数百毫米厚的，由多层不同声阻抗系数的材料制成的复合装甲板进行屏蔽

3、屏蔽用的装甲板，要设计甲内的加强结构，避免受到数百万个大气压的压强、持续数秒的冲击作用下，发生整体结构破坏。

4、屏蔽层内应采用数层发泡铝等材料吸收透射的应力波能量，减小屏蔽装甲的损伤。

5、屏蔽层与炮塔侧甲的连接结构需要大幅度加强。

参考资料见《爆炸力学》

可见根据武器毁伤实践的结果，以及大量战场照片来看，如果真要通过尾舱装弹提高安全性，那么必然就要大幅度增重，相当于又安装了一块炮塔前装甲用来专门屏蔽尾舱弹药殉爆的冲击，以使泄压板的泄压在数枚以至全部炮弹殉爆时仍能真正能发挥作用。
现有的泄压板，其实只能起到在个别弹药的射药殉爆时，泄掉高热的爆炸产物以免引爆更多的弹药。

onepiece 发表于 2012-1-8 23:05
所谓「见缝插针」更精确一点，是说苏联坦克的哲学就是要压缩体积来节约成本大量生产，所以车内再也没有 ...
弹药架油箱又不是只有苏联坦克才用
体积大？以勒克莱尔和豹2为代表的车体内弹仓被无视了？