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CHINESE SAILORS

中国船员专题

Panels spar over boat killings

关于船上杀人案的激烈争论


    Published: 25/11/2011 at 12:00 AM

    发布日期:2011年11月25日  上午12:00

    Newspaper section: News

    报纸部分:新闻

The House committee on foreign affairs yesterday accused the House committee on state security of "jumping to conclusions" over the murder of 13 Chinese sailors in Chiang Rai's Chiang Saen district on Oct 5.

国会下议院外交事务委员会昨天指责下议院国家安全委员会对10月5日发生在清莱府清盛区的13名中国船员被谋杀一案“过早地下了结论”。

Pheu Thai Party list MP Sunai Jullapongsathon, who heads the foreign affairs committee that is also probing the deaths, said it was too early for the state security committee led by Karun Hosakul, a Pheu Thai MP for Bangkok, to reach a conclusion on the case after one round of questioning.

外交事务委员会也在调查杀人案,为泰党(支持前流亡总理他信的政党)的国会议员Sunai Jullapongsathon是其负责人。为泰党的曼谷议员卡峦(当年的红衫军领袖之一)则是国家安全委员会的领导。Sunai Jullapongsathon说,国家安全委员会在只经过一轮质询的情况下,得出结论实在是为时过早。

On Wednesday, the Karun-led committee questioned several military officials connected with the case for the first time since the discovery of the 13 corpses in the Mekong River.

周三,以卡峦为首的委员会质询了若干个相关的军官,这是在湄公河上发现13具尸体后的第一次。

The military officials told the committee the murders occurred in Burma, that only one body was found on one of two Chinese boats, and that the other 12 corpses had drifted into Thailand.

军官们告诉委员会,谋杀案发生在缅甸,在两艘中国船上只发现其中的一艘上有一具尸体,其他12具尸体是漂流到泰国的(无耻,不过还是间接承认了当天那个“被击毙的持枪劫匪”尸体其实就是被害船长)。

After the questioning was over, Mr Karun ruled out the possibility that the Thai soldiers who found the corpses had something to do with the murder.

提问结束后,卡峦先生排除了发现尸体的泰国士兵参与谋杀的可能性。

"Of course, both committee are equally reliable, but the state security committee is probably able to think much faster than we can do," said Mr Sunai.

Sunai先生说:“当然,两个委员会都是同样可信赖的,但是国家安全委员会的思维,或许敏捷得远远超出我们的能力(卡峦先生,您的大脑短路了……)。”

He said his committee had still not reached a conclusion on the matter as a lot more information was needed.

他说,他的委员会仍未就此事达成结论,在这个问题上,还是需要更多资料。

One hypothesis so far is that the case might have something to do with conflicts among certain state officials, said Mr Sunai. He refused to elaborate on whether he was referring to Thai, Burmese, or Chinese officials.

Sunai先生说,到目前为止,有一种假说是:此案可能与一些国家的某些官员之间的冲突有关。他拒绝详细说明他所指的到底是泰国、缅甸,还是中国官员。

Mr Sunai also said his committee had information that the Norkham pirate group that operates on the Mekong River may have been behind the murder of the Chinese sailors.

Sunai先生还说,他的委员会已掌握了有关情报,中国船员的被害背后,可能与横行湄公河上的瑙坎水贼集团有关。

He said he will go to to Chiang Rai next week to gather more information from local authorities and the Chinese consulate there.

他说,下周他将前往清莱,从地方政府和中国领事馆那里收集更多的信息。

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/ ... -over-boat-killings

CHINESE SAILORS

中国船员专题

Panels spar over boat killings

关于船上杀人案的激烈争论


    Published: 25/11/2011 at 12:00 AM

    发布日期:2011年11月25日  上午12:00

    Newspaper section: News

    报纸部分:新闻

The House committee on foreign affairs yesterday accused the House committee on state security of "jumping to conclusions" over the murder of 13 Chinese sailors in Chiang Rai's Chiang Saen district on Oct 5.

国会下议院外交事务委员会昨天指责下议院国家安全委员会对10月5日发生在清莱府清盛区的13名中国船员被谋杀一案“过早地下了结论”。

Pheu Thai Party list MP Sunai Jullapongsathon, who heads the foreign affairs committee that is also probing the deaths, said it was too early for the state security committee led by Karun Hosakul, a Pheu Thai MP for Bangkok, to reach a conclusion on the case after one round of questioning.

外交事务委员会也在调查杀人案,为泰党(支持前流亡总理他信的政党)的国会议员Sunai Jullapongsathon是其负责人。为泰党的曼谷议员卡峦(当年的红衫军领袖之一)则是国家安全委员会的领导。Sunai Jullapongsathon说,国家安全委员会在只经过一轮质询的情况下,得出结论实在是为时过早。

On Wednesday, the Karun-led committee questioned several military officials connected with the case for the first time since the discovery of the 13 corpses in the Mekong River.

周三,以卡峦为首的委员会质询了若干个相关的军官,这是在湄公河上发现13具尸体后的第一次。

The military officials told the committee the murders occurred in Burma, that only one body was found on one of two Chinese boats, and that the other 12 corpses had drifted into Thailand.

军官们告诉委员会,谋杀案发生在缅甸,在两艘中国船上只发现其中的一艘上有一具尸体,其他12具尸体是漂流到泰国的(无耻,不过还是间接承认了当天那个“被击毙的持枪劫匪”尸体其实就是被害船长)。

After the questioning was over, Mr Karun ruled out the possibility that the Thai soldiers who found the corpses had something to do with the murder.

提问结束后,卡峦先生排除了发现尸体的泰国士兵参与谋杀的可能性。

"Of course, both committee are equally reliable, but the state security committee is probably able to think much faster than we can do," said Mr Sunai.

Sunai先生说:“当然,两个委员会都是同样可信赖的,但是国家安全委员会的思维,或许敏捷得远远超出我们的能力(卡峦先生,您的大脑短路了……)。”

He said his committee had still not reached a conclusion on the matter as a lot more information was needed.

他说,他的委员会仍未就此事达成结论,在这个问题上,还是需要更多资料。

One hypothesis so far is that the case might have something to do with conflicts among certain state officials, said Mr Sunai. He refused to elaborate on whether he was referring to Thai, Burmese, or Chinese officials.

Sunai先生说,到目前为止,有一种假说是:此案可能与一些国家的某些官员之间的冲突有关。他拒绝详细说明他所指的到底是泰国、缅甸,还是中国官员。

Mr Sunai also said his committee had information that the Norkham pirate group that operates on the Mekong River may have been behind the murder of the Chinese sailors.

Sunai先生还说,他的委员会已掌握了有关情报,中国船员的被害背后,可能与横行湄公河上的瑙坎水贼集团有关。

He said he will go to to Chiang Rai next week to gather more information from local authorities and the Chinese consulate there.

他说,下周他将前往清莱,从地方政府和中国领事馆那里收集更多的信息。
政治斗争很复杂啊。


http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/ ... ng-saen-martial-law

泰国国防部长育他萨上将称,将解除在清盛的戒严,以便让警方有权力参与执法、打击犯罪,这样可以提高安全事务​​的透明度。但陆军司令帕拉育上将表示反对。

育他萨称相关各国都要参与联合执法巡逻,还说泰军与中国警方一直保持良好合作,致力于该案件的调查和侦破,不会抓人当替罪羊来顶罪。

育他萨的立场见:

http://lt.cjdby.net/thread-1267361-1-1.html

和一楼的泰军表态完全一样。

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/ ... ng-saen-martial-law

泰国国防部长育他萨上将称,将解除在清盛的戒严,以便让警方有权力参与执法、打击犯罪,这样可以提高安全事务​​的透明度。但陆军司令帕拉育上将表示反对。

育他萨称相关各国都要参与联合执法巡逻,还说泰军与中国警方一直保持良好合作,致力于该案件的调查和侦破,不会抓人当替罪羊来顶罪。

育他萨的立场见:

http://lt.cjdby.net/thread-1267361-1-1.html

和一楼的泰军表态完全一样。
一群该死的臭虫
人善被人欺
che 发表于 2011-11-27 01:47
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/267938/prayuth-yutthasak-in-rift-over-chiang-saen-martial-law
...
怎么感觉泰军在有意搅浑水啊?
灭了泰国算了
4,5 ,7楼感觉没怎么看帖子
这是兔子要动一下,军方吗
坐等后续新闻。
4,5 ,7楼感觉没怎么看帖子
万能的机器人?
天天上班 发表于 2011-11-27 08:59
万能的机器人?
怎么看出来的?
泰国政府和军方的对立很严重啊
观注
如果泰国军方现在要动美女总理,中国会不会有应对之策?
万能的机器人?
鸡血党的逆袭
可以设身处地想一想,如果是MD,要强压一个国家认罪,会怎么做呢。
泰国国内政治就是个死结
所谓的选举根本不能选出一个让所有人都至少愿意按照法律规定而承认的政府,中间再加上军方的扯皮。

萝卜大棒都要有,只有萝卜没大棒
这样的事情迟早还会发生
不知联合巡逻后是否能好一些。。。
泰国的形势说明一点:
民主永远应该是国家强大以后的结果,而不是用来让国家强大的途径。

泰国国内局势这样的不稳定,互相的这样的扯皮,对经济、稳定、百姓日常生活、国际地位都是不好的。他们和美国走的近,被迫玩这套,然后国内又有个这样的军方,可惜了。
国防部长怎么和陆军司令的口调不一致啊
国王有没有表过态啊
泰王的态度也很重要,泰国公主和中国关系还可以
估计这事还要扯上个几年 甚至更久
真复杂,不管怎么说事是出在泰国,治安不力总跑不了,先把赔款付了,给家属多少一个交待吧
民主永远应该是国家强大以后的结果,而不是用来让国家强大的途径。

fatwildcat 发表于 2011-11-27 12:04
真复杂,不管怎么说事是出在泰国,治安不力总跑不了,先把赔款付了,给家属多少一个交待吧
案发地点这一条就要军方的老命,他们撑死也要说发生在缅甸,与自己无关。
che 发表于 2011-11-27 12:10
案发地点这一条就要军方的老命,他们撑死也要说发生在缅甸,与自己无关。
联合巡逻已经搞成了,这案子完全可以不用很快破案,拖个几年也无妨,在随着联合巡逻的深入,没有还有很多连锁事件会发生。
但被害人家属则需要尽快安抚,这需要想个好点的办法
不知道此时会否不了了之
che 发表于 2011-11-27 12:10
案发地点这一条就要军方的老命,他们撑死也要说发生在缅甸,与自己无关。
对泰军,最佳的处理结果应该是什么呢?


http://tvnz.co.nz/world-news/gol ... lors-killed-4585705

"According to the information that we gathered.....it can be believed that Thai officers were involved," Sunai Julapongsathorn, chairman of Thailand's lower house committee on foreign affairs, told reporters in Bangkok today.

“根据我们搜集到的信息……可以认为一些泰国军官涉及了事件。“泰国下议院外交事务委员会主席 Sunai Julapongsathorn今天在曼谷对记者说。

Sunai said he could not confirm whether or not soldiers were involved, but said witnesses had given evidence and police had photographs of a suspect setting up a machine gun used in the killings.

Sunai 说,他无法证实士兵们是否参与,但他说证人们已经向他作证,警方拥有其中一个嫌疑人架起机枪屠杀的若干照片。

The police chief in Thailand's Chiang Rai province, Major-General Songtham Allapach, today said the investigation was being fast-tracked and the nine detained soldiers had denied involvement in the attack.

泰国清莱省警察局长Songtham Allapach少将今天说,案件的调查正在快速进行,而九个被拘留的士兵否认参与袭击。

They are currently in military custody charged with two counts of conspiracy to murder and accused of trying to cover-up the killings by disposing of the bodies.

目前他们在军方的羁押中,被控两项罪名:串通谋杀和试图毁尸灭迹。

"It would probably take some time for interrogation," he said. "The findings and conclusions should be sent to the court sometime next year."

“可能需要一些时间进行审讯。”他说,“调查结果和结论应该在明年的某个时候发送到法院。”

http://tvnz.co.nz/world-news/gol ... lors-killed-4585705

"According to the information that we gathered.....it can be believed that Thai officers were involved," Sunai Julapongsathorn, chairman of Thailand's lower house committee on foreign affairs, told reporters in Bangkok today.

“根据我们搜集到的信息……可以认为一些泰国军官涉及了事件。“泰国下议院外交事务委员会主席 Sunai Julapongsathorn今天在曼谷对记者说。

Sunai said he could not confirm whether or not soldiers were involved, but said witnesses had given evidence and police had photographs of a suspect setting up a machine gun used in the killings.

Sunai 说,他无法证实士兵们是否参与,但他说证人们已经向他作证,警方拥有其中一个嫌疑人架起机枪屠杀的若干照片。

The police chief in Thailand's Chiang Rai province, Major-General Songtham Allapach, today said the investigation was being fast-tracked and the nine detained soldiers had denied involvement in the attack.

泰国清莱省警察局长Songtham Allapach少将今天说,案件的调查正在快速进行,而九个被拘留的士兵否认参与袭击。

They are currently in military custody charged with two counts of conspiracy to murder and accused of trying to cover-up the killings by disposing of the bodies.

目前他们在军方的羁押中,被控两项罪名:串通谋杀和试图毁尸灭迹。

"It would probably take some time for interrogation," he said. "The findings and conclusions should be sent to the court sometime next year."

“可能需要一些时间进行审讯。”他说,“调查结果和结论应该在明年的某个时候发送到法院。”
CHE大给力!其他 泰军方 杀良冒功的事情 有没有拔出萝卜带出泥??
che 发表于 2011-12-1 23:03
http://tvnz.co.nz/world-news/golden-triangle-patrolled-after-sailors-killed-4585705

"According to ...
看到佤邦小苏的blog了吗,到底怎么回事?是不是缅北的武装一个一个都要被政府军吃掉?这样下去,我们还有制约缅甸的筹码吗?
shthug 发表于 2011-11-27 11:46
泰国的形势说明一点:
民主永远应该是国家强大以后的结果,而不是用来让国家强大的途径。
真理啊!你怎么说的这么好呢?!
希大妈,赐予我力量吧!!!!~~~~~
希望能彻底清查,
逃不了了
军方死保除了政治原因,其部分高层与金三角地区犯罪集团可能存在密切关系,不能见光。
天天上班 发表于 2011-11-27 08:59
万能的机器人?
肯定,巴不得马上打起来。
民主国家有个好的地方就是可以冠冕堂皇的扯皮。。。。这讨论来讨论去,听证来听证去,天知道什么时候有结论。。。