愤怒，大爷不敢公开的（预警有人、无人子母机队）思路也 ...

喂，喂，这里有 有关部门的同志么，

俺也有很多 天才想法.....

尽管他们也有了这种思路，但是偶的具体设计构想还是不能说出来。当然了，有了基本思路，具体的布局都是灵活多样的，谁都可以想出不同到方案来。

我也有一个云预警的想法，有人要么？

青之六 发表于 2011-10-25 23:41
我也有一个云预警的想法，有人要么？
空基还是地基？

青之六 发表于 2011-10-25 23:41
我也有一个云预警的想法，有人要么？
空基的？数据链交互，每个飞机自己本身也是一个云端？

qqroc 发表于 2011-10-25 23:58
空基的？数据链交互，每个飞机自己本身也是一个云端？
直接全体单位好了

不就是想黑TG，用得着每个论坛都开贴吗？

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不就是想黑TG，用得着每个论坛都开贴吗？

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与此相关的 “共形”无人机雷达系统

AFRL Wants Big Radars on Small UAVs
（http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/defense/index.jsp?plckController=Blog&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&newspaperUserId=27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7&plckPostId=Blog%3a27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7Post%3ab1165c08-e650-406f-89eb-c192e78a6d17&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest）
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The US Air Force Research Laboratory is seeking ideas on how to integrate extremely large radar arrays on to relatively small long-endurance unmanned aircraft to detect and track dismounts -- individuals on foot.

The request for information on conformal load-bearing arrays for dismount detection (CLADD) is a return to an area ARFL has studied in the past, most recently in building a prototype low-band structural array (LOBSTAR) aimed at enabling the lab's SensorCraft high-altitude, long-endurance surveillance UAV concept.

The LOBSTAR effort integrated a low-frequency ground moving-target indication (GMTI) radar array into a 7.6m-long structure representative of a section of the swept wing of Northrop's SensorCraft design. The array was optimized for detecting and tracking slow-moving vehicles under foliage.

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LOBSTAR was followed by XTRA, a program to develop a thin load-bearing X-band SAR/GMTI array for the Joint Unmanned Combat Air Systems program, which was cancelled in 2006.

The CLADD RFI is looking for concepts for a conformal active phased-array high-frequency radar that could be integrated into the primary load-bearing structure of a UAV -- such as the wing or fuselage -- to provide a large aperture on a small vehicle. The lab wants concepts that can be at a technology readiness level 6 (prototype demonstration) within four years.

AFRL is additionally looking for software algorithms that would enable the detection and discrimination of dismounts and characterization of their behavior using "biofidelic human models". The lab is also interested in other radar modes that could be enabled, such as SAR, datalink and electronic attack.


与此相关的 “共形”无人机雷达系统

AFRL Wants Big Radars on Small UAVs
（http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/defense/index.jsp?plckController=Blog&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&newspaperUserId=27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7&plckPostId=Blog%3a27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7Post%3ab1165c08-e650-406f-89eb-c192e78a6d17&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest）
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The US Air Force Research Laboratory is seeking ideas on how to integrate extremely large radar arrays on to relatively small long-endurance unmanned aircraft to detect and track dismounts -- individuals on foot.

The request for information on conformal load-bearing arrays for dismount detection (CLADD) is a return to an area ARFL has studied in the past, most recently in building a prototype low-band structural array (LOBSTAR) aimed at enabling the lab's SensorCraft high-altitude, long-endurance surveillance UAV concept.

The LOBSTAR effort integrated a low-frequency ground moving-target indication (GMTI) radar array into a 7.6m-long structure representative of a section of the swept wing of Northrop's SensorCraft design. The array was optimized for detecting and tracking slow-moving vehicles under foliage.

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LOBSTAR was followed by XTRA, a program to develop a thin load-bearing X-band SAR/GMTI array for the Joint Unmanned Combat Air Systems program, which was cancelled in 2006.

The CLADD RFI is looking for concepts for a conformal active phased-array high-frequency radar that could be integrated into the primary load-bearing structure of a UAV -- such as the wing or fuselage -- to provide a large aperture on a small vehicle. The lab wants concepts that can be at a technology readiness level 6 (prototype demonstration) within four years.

AFRL is additionally looking for software algorithms that would enable the detection and discrimination of dismounts and characterization of their behavior using "biofidelic human models". The lab is also interested in other radar modes that could be enabled, such as SAR, datalink and electronic attack.

根据此报道而引用的 globalsecurity.org 网站的资讯可见未来E－3的未来升级内容
（http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/e-3-upgrades2.htm）
E-3 Sentry (AWACS) Future Upgrades

1：换装发动机
Re-engining will replace the existing, original engines with new engines. New engines will ensure long-term viability of the platform and increase fuel-efficiency, improve reliability, and increase power quantity and quality available to on-board mission systems. Development will pursue synergies and leverage the efforts of other U.S. 707-based airframes as well as the International AWACS partners that operate the 707 AWACS (United Kingdom, France, and Saudi Arabia). Further refinement of the acquisition strategy is required to fully integrate the program into the AWACS modernization plan in FY11 and beyond.

2：双基无人雷达伴飞系统（此报道的内容）
The AWACS Bistatic UAV Adjunct is a proposed $850M+ acquisition program with prototype in FY08 and completed in 2015. High Altitude Endurance (HAE) Dark Star/Global Hawk UAVs with bistatic receivers for the AWACS radar will expand area coverage of a single E-3 orbit and with the inherent significant signal to interference ratio enhancement provide increased coverage of low RCS targets while operating inside and outside an air defense threat environment. The inclusion of the Bistatic UAV adjunct to the E-3 would allow reduced E-3 operational tempo in some theaters and the ability to cover two major regional conflicts with fewer E-3s. By only carrying the receiver, IFF interrogator and a JTIDS/JCTN transmitter package, the UAV weight limitations can be met (combat ID systems might also be included if weight and size allows). The bistatic UAV would also be able to serve as an adjunct to the E-2, TPS-75 and other air/ground radars. Most important, the Bistatic UAV is a key part of the USAF transition from the E-3 to UAVs and Space for the AWACS mission, with the mission crew on the ground. The Bistatic UAV will be able to serve as the receiver using a satellite as the radar transmitter instead of the E-3. The bistatic UAV is a common link to a reduced E-3 fleet and use of Space for surveillance of large to LO/VLO air vehicles (missiles and aircraft) in the battlespace.

3：乘员地面化（也就是将部分E－3的预警功能集成到无人系统里面，转而为扩充自动战场指挥空能提供空间）
The proposed Mission Crew to Ground program migrates the battle management function off of AWACS to the ground to reduce manpower and cost, centralizes C2 in GTACS, provides room for additional E-3 sensor growth, and provides a transition step to move the majority of AWACS functions from the E-3 to UAVs and Space in the 2025 time frame. This program will allow more sensor growth in volume and weight on-board the E-3 for enhanced surveillance tasks without loss of time on station, and will centralize command and control at AOC/CRC nodes in the TACS using sensor data from AWACS and other sources such as UAVs. AWACS sensor data would be downlinked using LOS and/or SATCOM similar to the ground element of JSTARS today, but using the GBS (AWACS Comm Upgrades) with satellite cross-link capability. Only the Communications Technician, Airborne Radar Technician, and the flight crew stay aboard the E-3) and training savings for the USAF. The cost concept includes four ground stations (CONUS, CONUS backup and two theater deployable). Of a 33 aircraft fleet, only 27 E-3s are converted to a sensor platform configuration. Total acquisition cost is $1.52 Billion.

根据此报道而引用的 globalsecurity.org 网站的资讯可见未来E－3的未来升级内容
（http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/e-3-upgrades2.htm）
E-3 Sentry (AWACS) Future Upgrades

1：换装发动机
Re-engining will replace the existing, original engines with new engines. New engines will ensure long-term viability of the platform and increase fuel-efficiency, improve reliability, and increase power quantity and quality available to on-board mission systems. Development will pursue synergies and leverage the efforts of other U.S. 707-based airframes as well as the International AWACS partners that operate the 707 AWACS (United Kingdom, France, and Saudi Arabia). Further refinement of the acquisition strategy is required to fully integrate the program into the AWACS modernization plan in FY11 and beyond.

2：双基无人雷达伴飞系统（此报道的内容）
The AWACS Bistatic UAV Adjunct is a proposed $850M+ acquisition program with prototype in FY08 and completed in 2015. High Altitude Endurance (HAE) Dark Star/Global Hawk UAVs with bistatic receivers for the AWACS radar will expand area coverage of a single E-3 orbit and with the inherent significant signal to interference ratio enhancement provide increased coverage of low RCS targets while operating inside and outside an air defense threat environment. The inclusion of the Bistatic UAV adjunct to the E-3 would allow reduced E-3 operational tempo in some theaters and the ability to cover two major regional conflicts with fewer E-3s. By only carrying the receiver, IFF interrogator and a JTIDS/JCTN transmitter package, the UAV weight limitations can be met (combat ID systems might also be included if weight and size allows). The bistatic UAV would also be able to serve as an adjunct to the E-2, TPS-75 and other air/ground radars. Most important, the Bistatic UAV is a key part of the USAF transition from the E-3 to UAVs and Space for the AWACS mission, with the mission crew on the ground. The Bistatic UAV will be able to serve as the receiver using a satellite as the radar transmitter instead of the E-3. The bistatic UAV is a common link to a reduced E-3 fleet and use of Space for surveillance of large to LO/VLO air vehicles (missiles and aircraft) in the battlespace.

3：乘员地面化（也就是将部分E－3的预警功能集成到无人系统里面，转而为扩充自动战场指挥空能提供空间）
The proposed Mission Crew to Ground program migrates the battle management function off of AWACS to the ground to reduce manpower and cost, centralizes C2 in GTACS, provides room for additional E-3 sensor growth, and provides a transition step to move the majority of AWACS functions from the E-3 to UAVs and Space in the 2025 time frame. This program will allow more sensor growth in volume and weight on-board the E-3 for enhanced surveillance tasks without loss of time on station, and will centralize command and control at AOC/CRC nodes in the TACS using sensor data from AWACS and other sources such as UAVs. AWACS sensor data would be downlinked using LOS and/or SATCOM similar to the ground element of JSTARS today, but using the GBS (AWACS Comm Upgrades) with satellite cross-link capability. Only the Communications Technician, Airborne Radar Technician, and the flight crew stay aboard the E-3) and training savings for the USAF. The cost concept includes four ground stations (CONUS, CONUS backup and two theater deployable). Of a 33 aircraft fleet, only 27 E-3s are converted to a sensor platform configuration. Total acquisition cost is $1.52 Billion.

美帝的想法有点晚了。GPS已经不給力了。



这个廖耀湘，出营口也好，回沈阳也好，五天以前他干什么去了。

。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。

先堵，然后围而歼之。--------------------------电影“辽沈战役”中的一段对白，历史又要重演了。

美帝的想法有点晚了。GPS已经不給力了。



这个廖耀湘，出营口也好，回沈阳也好，五天以前他干什么去了。

。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。

先堵，然后围而歼之。--------------------------电影“辽沈战役”中的一段对白，历史又要重演了。

子母机不是刚想出来的，而是已经开始搞了，不过是用在反潜上面的

http://lt.cjdby.net/thread-1072844-1-1.html

子母机不是刚想出来的，而是已经开始搞了，不过是用在反潜上面的

http://lt.cjdby.net/thread-1072844-1-1.html

这个想法在CD早就谈过了，没什么创新
兔子开发那么多无人机也不是只照相用的，无人机联网打航母概念图早就公开过了

这个想法在CD早就谈过了，没什么创新
兔子开发那么多无人机也不是只照相用的，无人机联网打航母概念图早就公开过了

笑脸男人 发表于 2011-10-26 07:32
子母机不是刚想出来的，而是已经开始搞了，不过是用在反潜上面的
目的不一样，这个计划的目的是避免平台被打击，是把眼睛、耳朵伸到前面，把大脑缩到后面。

那就是X47B+2018轰炸机的方案了，这个也早就有了

http://lt.cjdby.net/thread-1072844-1-1.html

feijieguo 发表于 2011-10-26 08:25
目的不一样，这个计划的目的是避免平台被打击，是把眼睛、耳朵伸到前面，把大脑缩到后面。

那就是X47B+2018轰炸机的方案了，这个也早就有了

http://lt.cjdby.net/thread-1072844-1-1.html

笑脸男人 发表于 2011-10-26 08:29
那就是X47B+2018轰炸机的方案了，这个也早就有了
这个是空基预警和战场指挥系统的雷达天线单元和数据处理平台的分离方案，以提高指挥平台的生存性，是保护战场的指挥。
你那是拿吃牛肉当开赛车了，两码事。

TG正在研制一款"预警无人机"吧，不是吗？

feijieguo 发表于 2011-10-26 08:39
这个是空基预警和战场指挥系统的雷达天线单元和数据处理平台的分离方案，以提高指挥平台的生存性，是保护 ...

楼主是怎么断定TG没有这样的想法了？

我也想到过，真的

楼猪真是大义凛然,您可美女金钱不要也不把天才想法卖给美帝

国家之幸民族之幸啊

超大现在遍布专门出来恶心人的ID，以前的学术氛围已然随风而逝。
悲哀。

不知道有没有预警机引导远程潜射防空导弹进行海域防空的研究呢……

大爷我早就公开了，思路比这还广

zk781016 发表于 2011-10-26 12:49
不知道有没有预警机引导远程潜射防空导弹进行海域防空的研究呢……
这个对防空导弹要求太高了，MD还只能做到水面舰艇发射，不过未来的反导拦截弹要上潜艇的，因该会搞的

qqroc 发表于 2011-10-25 23:58
空基的？数据链交互，每个飞机自己本身也是一个云端？
非也非也，就是靠“云”来预警，我在数百公里外放一圈“云”，飞机飞过的时候，看尾迹就可以预警了，高明吧？

不知道有没有（无人驾驶）小型化的潜艇的研究，？下潜至1000米的水下逮机从水下向水面发射导弹、专干航母战斗群.......

不知道有没有（无人驾驶）小型化的潜艇的研究，？下潜至1000米的水下逮机从水下向水面发射导弹、专干航母战斗群.......

LZ想到的，MD已经想到了，LZ想不到的，MD也想到了，只是有没有变成现实

无人飞行器是方向，第三次世界大战是机器人大战。

创意有时候在实力面前是苍白的……

中华海帝 发表于 2011-10-26 13:56
创意有时候在实力面前是苍白的……
楼主的创意得到了实力的认可。

我有一个造大天使，配上高达+女棍子的想法，算不算有创意么

乃以为想法很值钱么？怎么实现想法才值钱呢……

费这么大劲干啥，练一下滑轮功，不但隐型机是浮云，宇宙的来世今生尽收眼底。

楼主想到了，就不准别人想到吗？

这个就是想法＋实力的竞赛，有实力实现想法的一方，就得到先手。不是说别人不能想有同样想法，而是自方没有马上实现想法的能力，这是让人恼怒的。

想想看，为何U.S.的F117计划要掩盖那么久？就是因为他们估计苏俄知道想法很快也能实现隐身的设计（US的工程人员是看了俄国人50年代的写的关于电磁衍射的书才想到要搞电磁隐身设计的）。但是90年苏俄垮台了，对可能实现类似技术的对手没有了，他们估计他们对其他国家有技术优势，所以F22、B2都可以公开展示发展过程，那就形成软实力的威慑。不同的阶段的策略是不同的。

当己方尚没有实现某个理念的时候，就把概念公开，那只能是帮助有能力实现理念的对手，扩大对己方的威慑优势。

zghnsyxb 发表于 2011-10-26 21:09
楼主想到了，就不准别人想到吗？

这个就是想法＋实力的竞赛，有实力实现想法的一方，就得到先手。不是说别人不能想有同样想法，而是自方没有马上实现想法的能力，这是让人恼怒的。

想想看，为何U.S.的F117计划要掩盖那么久？就是因为他们估计苏俄知道想法很快也能实现隐身的设计（US的工程人员是看了俄国人50年代的写的关于电磁衍射的书才想到要搞电磁隐身设计的）。但是90年苏俄垮台了，对可能实现类似技术的对手没有了，他们估计他们对其他国家有技术优势，所以F22、B2都可以公开展示发展过程，那就形成软实力的威慑。不同的阶段的策略是不同的。

当己方尚没有实现某个理念的时候，就把概念公开，那只能是帮助有能力实现理念的对手，扩大对己方的威慑优势。

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LZ这个估计考虑的比较复杂全面了。。。。。。。。。。。。。。不说也好！、、
            
不过，TG和美帝那些真专家，早有各种“组合”方案了！
              
就看谁有前瞻想，能“筛选”对正确的方案！
另外，还要看谁兜子里面小钱钱多。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。才能变成真滴！

青之六 发表于 2011-10-25 23:41
我也有一个云预警的想法，有人要么？
……这不就是网络中心战么，所有的传感器或者作战单位全部联网，数据可以分布式地处理，某些节点被摧毁也不会使得网络失效