我个人以为的RS-24（应该是源自白杨M的成熟技术）

好图！楼主有更多资料吗？

handsomemwl 发表于 2011-7-13 13:56
好图！楼主有更多资料吗？
这个就没有
国之利器，哪有那么多资料可言？以上这个图是RS-24发射之后西方好事者做的同比例对比图，从中我们应该还是能看出个大概的。

海因莱希 发表于 2011-7-13 13:59
这个就没有
国之利器，哪有那么多资料可言？以上这个图是RS-24发射之后西方好事者做的同比例对比 ...
沒事。这个利器我就是很关注，好像是老毛的杀手锏，非常低调。只是讯息也是很少。。。

handsomemwl 发表于 2011-7-13 14:03
沒事。这个利器我就是很关注，好像是老毛的杀手锏，非常低调。只是讯息也是很少。。。
你真想看西方的估测资料的话那么Globalsecurity上倒是不少，随便贴两段
Confusing Information Considerations

Later First Deputy Prime Minister Sergei Ivanov a former Russian defense minister stated that “the missile was a new version of the Topol-M, first commissioned in 1997 and known as the SS-25, & SS-27 in the West, but one that can carry multiple independent warheads,” ITAR-TASS is quoted as saying. It is said to be compliant with the START-1 treaty and the Moscow Treaty of 2002 requirements.

The latter attributed statement by First deputy Prime Minister Sergei Ivanov has tended to confuse the RS-24's warhead carrying capacity issue. That is because if the RS-24 is indeed a highly modified version of the Topol-M, SS-27 then its potential warhead capacity would only be 3 warheads. However if it indeed there were 10 warheads tends to suggest that the missile is a new improved Russian produces RS-22, SS-24 SCALPEL ICBM. Prior to this flight test of the full RS-24 system Russia had done at least two research and development flight test in 2005 – 2006 using the older Topol-M derivation for MIRV development. Russia’s military had announced that it intended to produce an ICBM carrying multiple warheads, based on the single warhead Topol-M missile when the US withdrew from the Anti Ballistic Missile treaty during 2002. This was the first flight test of the full up completely revised RS-24 launch vehicle that greatly increases the booster stages payload capacity in order to carry a multiple warhead package to full range.

New Analysis

The considerable lengthening of the RS-27 length is totally unavoidable. When Prime Minister Putin demanded that the Ministry of Defense display the RS-24 in Moscow Square he was disappointingly informed because of it very long length it would be impossible to display it and that he would have to accept the SS-25 and SS-29 display. Ultimately the war head sizes had to be reduced to the size of the Bulava/Kalibr warheads to be fitted on the RS-24 design. Presumably the RS-24 is essentially the SS-25/SS-29 with its upperstages being an adaptation of the SS-N-30/Bulava/Kalibr SLBM combined commonality systems approach with adaptation modifications for the applications.

Prior to the announcement of this test, the RS-24 ICBM was not previously attested. The "RS" designation system is used in the bilateral START arms control agreements, and internal Russian or the US and NATO designations of this missile were not immediately apparent. As described, launched from a mobile launcher with ten warheads, it would appear to be a successor to the RT-23, 15Zh60, Molodets, RS-22, SS-24 transporter erector launcher (TEL) modified for the redesigned RS-24 characteristics. This is not the real case.

谢了，楼主。这一段小的也是看过，不过好像05年以后就已经没有消息了。。。好东西转地下

海因莱希 发表于 2011-7-13 14:06
你真想看西方的估测资料的话那么Globalsecurity上倒是不少，随便贴两段
Confusing Information Consider ...

谢了，楼主。这一段小的也是看过，不过好像05年以后就已经没有消息了。。。好东西转地下

海因莱希 发表于 2011-7-13 13:59
这个就没有
国之利器，哪有那么多资料可言？以上这个图是RS-24发射之后西方好事者做的同比例对比 ...
建议对三大核弹设计局进行一下了解。


很有可能是新的核弹头。

（布拉瓦也是全新核弹头， 基本型6个弹头）

JSTCVW09CD 发表于 2011-7-13 14:36
建议对三大核弹设计局进行一下了解。
无论是不是全新的弹头，如果白杨M那么大的导弹载10个MIRV，唯一的可能性就是减当量，减到10万吨以下，而且还要考虑同白杨M差不多大的PBV有没有空间放置10个小型MIRV，毕竟这不是方形的弹头，圆锥形弹头多个平行放置是会存在很严重的空间浪费的，数量越多浪费的空间越大。
圆锤带6个弹头是可信的，因为没说当量，R-39鲟鱼就是带10个10万吨弹头。
总之，10个500KT级别的核弹头加上Re-entry Vehicle最起码也要4吨重，而47.2吨的导弹带4吨的payload打洲际射程是没有可能性的，不予讨论，如果真有这强悍技术，这玩意根本不可能试射3次就定型，圆锤也就不会试射失败那么多次了。
圆锤和RS-24都是MITT的，RS-12M Topol是南方扬格力的，RS-12M1/2 Topol-M是MITT的

海因莱希 发表于 2011-7-13 14:53
无论是不是全新的弹头，如果白杨M那么大的导弹载10个MIRV，唯一的可能性就是减当量，减到10万吨以下，而且 ...
另外， 布拉瓦的很大一部分核心设计试验业务还是马克耶夫完成的。

虽然MITT 是总包。

这点需要说明。

6个弹头可以啊  

LZ连基本问题都没搞清楚
投掷重量只有弹头？PBV呢？

俄国人最先进的核弹头是RT-23的，根据FAS的估测，是4.05吨10个350-550KT核弹头，平均一个核弹头400kg左右，一枚白杨M的载荷是1.2吨，如果假设空间不存在问题，那么可以放置3颗左右的这种弹头，如果减射程发射，也许能到4-5枚。-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------投掷重量中不只是弹头的重量还有分离器和诱饵，弹头重量大约占投掷重量的一半，因此每个弹头也就200千克（当量35万吨）另外如果RS-24第三级直径加大的话或许投掷重量不止1.2吨。


俄国人最先进的核弹头是RT-23的，根据FAS的估测，是4.05吨10个350-550KT核弹头，平均一个核弹头400kg左右，一枚白杨M的载荷是1.2吨，如果假设空间不存在问题，那么可以放置3颗左右的这种弹头，如果减射程发射，也许能到4-5枚。-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------投掷重量中不只是弹头的重量还有分离器和诱饵，弹头重量大约占投掷重量的一半，因此每个弹头也就200千克（当量35万吨）另外如果RS-24第三级直径加大的话或许投掷重量不止1.2吨。