求翻译:巴基斯坦论坛谈论J10B的最新消息

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" A few weeks ago, I showed the leaked pics to some PAF personal and they agreed that top brass of PAF has always known of this project and the pictures are indeed the J-20 . However, like all Pakistani acquisations, we are NOT interested in J-20 as it is. China is where the Stealth 5th generation MRCA will be bought from but that wont exactly be J-20.
The way PAF deals with and has always delath with Chinese manufacturers (JF-17s are exception) is that we let them present what they have.
Eaxmples: F-7MG --> F-7PG (Chinese couldnt come up with avionics so we bought it from theird party back when sun used to shine well in west for PAF)
For many reasons, including sales of J-10. Any plane operating with PAF is a free marketing for Chinese companies (I was so proud of it when an AVIC personal said it to me in the presence of PAF personal that the world trusts PAFs standards).
Chinese want to see J-10B in considerable number before even offering J-20. The money + interest of Chinese companies is in NOT offering Pakistan J-20 unless J-10B is flying with PAF in number.
My info on this is, Chinese clearly denied to do anything with J-10 unless the orders of F-16s are cut down. PAF did burn their boats after agreeing to it (I am glad they did. Thanks Allah for that) and sent thier team for a long tern partnership with China (Currently located in Chingdu). It was only after then that the Chinese let in PAF/PAC engineers tweak with J-10s and we saw the J-10B.
Time line for J-20 in small batch can easily be after 2016 and only then PAF might be invited to jump in." A few weeks ago, I showed the leaked pics to some PAF personal and they agreed that top brass of PAF has always known of this project and the pictures are indeed the J-20 . However, like all Pakistani acquisations, we are NOT interested in J-20 as it is. China is where the Stealth 5th generation MRCA will be bought from but that wont exactly be J-20.
The way PAF deals with and has always delath with Chinese manufacturers (JF-17s are exception) is that we let them present what they have.
Eaxmples: F-7MG --> F-7PG (Chinese couldnt come up with avionics so we bought it from theird party back when sun used to shine well in west for PAF)
For many reasons, including sales of J-10. Any plane operating with PAF is a free marketing for Chinese companies (I was so proud of it when an AVIC personal said it to me in the presence of PAF personal that the world trusts PAFs standards).
Chinese want to see J-10B in considerable number before even offering J-20. The money + interest of Chinese companies is in NOT offering Pakistan J-20 unless J-10B is flying with PAF in number.
My info on this is, Chinese clearly denied to do anything with J-10 unless the orders of F-16s are cut down. PAF did burn their boats after agreeing to it (I am glad they did. Thanks Allah for that) and sent thier team for a long tern partnership with China (Currently located in Chingdu). It was only after then that the Chinese let in PAF/PAC engineers tweak with J-10s and we saw the J-10B.
Time line for J-20 in small batch can easily be after 2016 and only then PAF might be invited to jump in.
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麻烦移到空军版··
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英语帖子太多了,高人们还是给翻译翻译吧。
大意就是中,巴双方现在都无意j20这种还是雏形的机型,但可能会在2016且巴方已有一定数量j10后;中巴现已经确定的是j10的购买。
并且巴铁人员已到cd
请巴铁驻CD人员翻译一下
“几个星期前,我把照片泄露一些个人和血小板活化因子,他们一致认为,巴基斯坦空军高层一直知道这个项目的图片确实是在J - 20。然而,就像所有巴基斯坦acquisations,我们不感兴趣在J - 20,因为它是。正是中国第五代隐形MRCA会被买走但不会正好为J - 20。
巴基斯坦空军与交易方式,并一直与中国制造商delath(架JF - 17飞机是例外),是我们让他们在现在,他们有。
Eaxmples:架F - 7MG - >“的F - 7PG(中国想不出与航空电子设备,这样我们买了theird党回来时,太阳照耀在用于房颤西井)
由于多种原因,包括歼- 10销售。任何与巴基斯坦空军飞机作业是一个中国公司免费营销(我是如此的骄傲时,中航个人表示,在个人存在血小板活化因子的世界相信PAFs标准,它给我)。
中国希望看到之前,甚至提供的J - 20的J - 10B条中的相当数量。这笔钱+的中国企业的兴趣是在没有提供巴基斯坦的J - 20,除非的J - 10B的飞行与血小板活化因子的数量。
我对这个信息是,中国明确否认做和J - 10任何东西,除非F - 16战斗机的订单减少。血小板活化因子烧伤后没有同意,但是他们艇(我很高兴他们做到了。为此感谢真主),被送往一个长期与中国鸥伙伴关系的团队(目前在Chingdu中)。只是在当时的中国让巴基斯坦空军/委员会的工程师和J - 10调整,我们看到了J - 10B的。
时间为J - 20线在小批量很容易被2016年以后,只有在血小板活化因子可能被邀请跳英寸
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这翻译的
这翻译的也太杯具了…
“几个星期前,我给泄漏出来的照片(sact)一些个人和他们同意,要员sact)一直知道这个项目和图片的确是J-20。然而,就像所有的巴基斯坦acquisations,我们J-20不感兴趣。中国是MRCA五代隐身的地方会被买但这不会太J-20。
  妇女的方式处理,并且一直delath与中国制造商(JF-17s是除外)是我们让他们在场他们所拥有的。
  Eaxmples:F-7MG - - > F-7PG(中国不能想出航电所以我们在那里买theird聚会的时候,太阳曾经闪烁在西方要求妇女及儿童
  由于种种原因,包括销售J-10。任何飞机操作(sact)是一个自由市场上的中国公司(我很骄傲当一个人就航空面前,你为我个人以为世界信任PAFs标准)。
  中国人希望看到J-10B相当数量甚至提供J-20之前。金钱+利息的中国公司在不提供巴基斯坦J-20飞行时,除非J-10B sact)是那样多。
  我的信息关于这个的,中国人清楚地拒绝做任何处理的命令J-10除非F-16s砍了。他们把两只船拢了妇女燃烧在刚刚答应了(我很高兴他们做的。谢谢安拉),,打发他们的队员股东带来长期合作伙伴关系(目前位于中国Chingdu)。直到那时,中国让妇女与J-10s工程师/包装好办法,我们看到了J-10B。
  J-20时间线在小批量就可以很容易地在2016年,只有到那时可能以为被邀请去跳了下去。
J20片子巴空军上层看了表示就是J20,早就知道,现在这个样子不会购买;中方在巴方购买一定数量J10B之前也不会卖。
中方明确表示如果巴方再买F16的花就对J10不再做改进。感谢阿拉,所以我们有了今天的J10B。
J20到2016年小批量生产后才会让巴方介入(搞改进型)
巴基斯坦太穷了,根本买不起J20,10B都够呛
jiqingsong 发表于 2011-1-17 08:28

这狗翻译。
还是不要卖小巴20了,卖10B不错
因为小巴最后放弃了F16,所以有了j10B
A few weeks ago, I showed the leaked pics to some PAF personal and they agreed that top brass of PAF has always known of this project and the pictures are indeed the J-20 . However, like all Pakistani acquisations, we are NOT interested in J-20 as it is. China is where the Stealth 5th generation MRCA will be bought from but that wont exactly be J-20.

几个星期前,我私下给一些巴基斯坦空军的人看了一些泄露出来的照片,他们说空军高层已经知道鸟,这些照片确实是J-20.然而,就像所有巴基斯坦获取的武器那样,我们对J-20并不感兴趣。的确是要从中国购买四代机,但不是要买J-20.

The way PAF deals with and has always delath with Chinese manufacturers (JF-17s are exception) is that we let them present what they have.
Eaxmples: F-7MG --> F-7PG (Chinese couldnt come up with avionics so we bought it from theird party back when sun used to shine well in west for PAF)

我们要求他们提供现有产品(JF-17S例外)——巴基斯坦空军和中国航空制造业通常这样采取这种办法。
比如F-7MG --> F-7PG (中国不能升级电子设备,我们就在西方与巴基斯坦空军关系改善时,从他们那儿买)

For many reasons, including sales of J-10. Any plane operating with PAF is a free marketing for Chinese companies (I was so proud of it when an AVIC personal said it to me in the presence of PAF personal that the world trusts PAFs standards).
Chinese want to see J-10B in considerable number before even offering J-20. The money + interest of Chinese companies is in NOT offering Pakistan J-20 unless J-10B is flying with PAF in number.
由于很多原因,包括J10的交易。任何巴基斯坦空军用的飞机,对中国公司来说都是可自由出售的。(我感到很骄傲,当一个 AVIC 的人在私底下,当着巴基斯坦空军的人的面,告诉我世界相信PAF的标准)

在j20出现之前,中国希望看到有相当数量的J10B。中国公司的金钱和兴趣不是提供给巴基斯坦J20,除非巴基斯坦空军有了一定数量的J10b。
My info on this is, Chinese clearly denied to do anything with J-10 unless the orders of F-16s are cut down. PAF did burn their boats after agreeing to it (I am glad they did. Thanks Allah for that) and sent thier team for a long tern partnership with China (Currently located in Chingdu). It was only after then that the Chinese let in PAF/PAC engineers tweak with J-10s and we saw the J-10B.
我想说的是,中国明确的拒绝(继续提供或升级)J10除非把F16S砍掉。巴基斯坦空军同意了也照做了(我很高兴他们这样做,感谢阿拉),然后派出人员与中国进行长期合作。(目前是在成都)立刻中国就让巴方的工程师参与开发J10S,而且我们也看到了J10B。
Time line for J-20 in small batch can easily be after 2016 and only then PAF might be invited to jump in.
按J20的进度,能顺利地在2016之后小规模量产,那时巴基斯坦空军可能会被邀请加入。
什么时候开始要审核的?
TG要求巴方把石榴砍了
然后TG提供10
买的够多才会谈四代机的事
TG也是一脸奸商的嘴脸
如果这篇文章是真的。那似乎中国对J20的研发,好像是给巴铁通了气的。真不愧是铁杆盟友,中国连这个也告诉他们
回复 8# jiqingsong


    谷歌翻译,无语


水平有限,凑乎着看

" A few weeks ago, I showed the leaked pics to some PAF personal

and they agreed that top brass of PAF has always known of this

project and the pictures are indeed the J-20 .
几周前,我把这些网上流传的照片给某些巴铁看,他们一致认为巴铁的高级

官员知道这个项目,并且这些图片的确就是J-20.
However, like all Pakistani acquisations, we are NOT interested in

J-20 as it is. China is where the Stealth 5th generation MRCA will

be bought from but that wont exactly be J-20.
然而,根据J-20的功能和巴铁的装备需求,我们对J-20不是很感兴趣。我们

将从中国购第五代多功能战机,而这不一定是J-20.
The way PAF deals with and has always delath with Chinese

manufacturers (JF-17s are exception) is that we let them present

what they have.
巴铁的购买方式一般是买中国制造商提供现役的飞机(JF-17除外)。
Eaxmples: F-7MG --> F-7PG (Chinese couldnt come up with avionics so

we bought it from theird party back when sun used to shine well in

west for PAF)
举个例子:F-7MG --> F-7PG(中国人的航电不行,所以我们从第三方购买然

后进行升级)
For many reasons, including sales of J-10. Any plane operating with

PAF is a free marketing for Chinese companies (I was so proud of it

when an AVIC personal said it to me in the presence of PAF personal

that the world trusts PAFs standards).
由于种种原因,中国公司对巴铁的销售都是自由的,包括J-10.(一位中国航

空公司的人当着巴铁空军人的面对我说到:世界信任巴铁空军的标准,对此

,我感到很骄傲.)
Chinese want to see J-10B in considerable number before even

offering J-20. The money + interest of Chinese companies is in NOT

offering Pakistan J-20 unless J-10B is flying with PAF in number.
再提供J-20之前,中国希望看到数目可观的J-10B. 基于经济上的考虑,中国

不会提供J-20除非巴铁空军已有一定数目的J-10B.
My info on this is, Chinese clearly denied to do anything with J-10

unless the orders of F-16s are cut down. PAF did burn their boats

after agreeing to it (I am glad they did. Thanks Allah for that)

and sent thier team for a long tern partnership with China

(Currently located in Chingdu).
基于以上信息,如果F-16的订单不取消,中国不会卖J-10. 巴铁同意后确实

取消了F-16的订单并派出一只团队(目前在成都)与中国长期合作(我很高

兴他们这样做了,感谢真主)。
It was only after then that the Chinese let in PAF/PAC engineers

tweak with J-10s and we saw the J-10B.
中方让巴方的工程师参与了J-10S并看到了J-10B
Time line for J-20 in small batch can easily be after 2016 and only then PAF might be invited to jump in.
2016年后可轻松小批量生成J-20,然后巴铁可能被邀请参与该项目的改进.(这个KC太H了)

水平有限,凑乎着看

" A few weeks ago, I showed the leaked pics to some PAF personal

and they agreed that top brass of PAF has always known of this

project and the pictures are indeed the J-20 .
几周前,我把这些网上流传的照片给某些巴铁看,他们一致认为巴铁的高级

官员知道这个项目,并且这些图片的确就是J-20.
However, like all Pakistani acquisations, we are NOT interested in

J-20 as it is. China is where the Stealth 5th generation MRCA will

be bought from but that wont exactly be J-20.
然而,根据J-20的功能和巴铁的装备需求,我们对J-20不是很感兴趣。我们

将从中国购第五代多功能战机,而这不一定是J-20.
The way PAF deals with and has always delath with Chinese

manufacturers (JF-17s are exception) is that we let them present

what they have.
巴铁的购买方式一般是买中国制造商提供现役的飞机(JF-17除外)。
Eaxmples: F-7MG --> F-7PG (Chinese couldnt come up with avionics so

we bought it from theird party back when sun used to shine well in

west for PAF)
举个例子:F-7MG --> F-7PG(中国人的航电不行,所以我们从第三方购买然

后进行升级)
For many reasons, including sales of J-10. Any plane operating with

PAF is a free marketing for Chinese companies (I was so proud of it

when an AVIC personal said it to me in the presence of PAF personal

that the world trusts PAFs standards).
由于种种原因,中国公司对巴铁的销售都是自由的,包括J-10.(一位中国航

空公司的人当着巴铁空军人的面对我说到:世界信任巴铁空军的标准,对此

,我感到很骄傲.)
Chinese want to see J-10B in considerable number before even

offering J-20. The money + interest of Chinese companies is in NOT

offering Pakistan J-20 unless J-10B is flying with PAF in number.
再提供J-20之前,中国希望看到数目可观的J-10B. 基于经济上的考虑,中国

不会提供J-20除非巴铁空军已有一定数目的J-10B.
My info on this is, Chinese clearly denied to do anything with J-10

unless the orders of F-16s are cut down. PAF did burn their boats

after agreeing to it (I am glad they did. Thanks Allah for that)

and sent thier team for a long tern partnership with China

(Currently located in Chingdu).
基于以上信息,如果F-16的订单不取消,中国不会卖J-10. 巴铁同意后确实

取消了F-16的订单并派出一只团队(目前在成都)与中国长期合作(我很高

兴他们这样做了,感谢真主)。
It was only after then that the Chinese let in PAF/PAC engineers

tweak with J-10s and we saw the J-10B.
中方让巴方的工程师参与了J-10S并看到了J-10B
Time line for J-20 in small batch can easily be after 2016 and only then PAF might be invited to jump in.
2016年后可轻松小批量生成J-20,然后巴铁可能被邀请参与该项目的改进.(这个KC太H了)
楼主自己看懂了至少也应该给个大概的中文总结吧,直接贴鸟语的太不厚道了
楼主不厚道

你看懂了至少也说点吧。。。

小学就有学“主要内容,中心思想”吧
amac 发表于 17/1/2011 03:03

没办法。。。 生意嘛。。。
基本上就是先买10B一定量,然后才是20
这个翻译哦 还好大概懂了
amac 发表于 2011-1-17 11:03


    16应该是美国给的钱买的,相当于送的。土共有必要这样么?


那个说巴基斯坦不砍F-16,就不卖10,是作者自己推测吧。。

作者由没10B前不会有20,来推测不不砍F-16,就不卖10。感觉思路不对。
因为20现在对巴基斯坦不现实,连我们自己都要2016年后,还只是试装备。稳定要2020年后。
并且巴基斯坦应该不会买重型的。所以10B更现实。

那个说巴基斯坦不砍F-16,就不卖10,是作者自己推测吧。。

作者由没10B前不会有20,来推测不不砍F-16,就不卖10。感觉思路不对。
因为20现在对巴基斯坦不现实,连我们自己都要2016年后,还只是试装备。稳定要2020年后。
并且巴基斯坦应该不会买重型的。所以10B更现实。
上面翻译不给力啊!
实际上就是在白兔装备20的时候向巴铁供应10B,20向巴铁供货的时候会同步的提供一部分技术。
不是为了赚钱
而是企图把巴基斯坦的武器系统整个国标化吧
jiqingsong 发表于 2011-1-17 08:28
完全没看懂啊!是中文吗?!
终于看懂了!兔子越来越腹黑了!
中心思想就是小巴不大批量买棍b ,将来土鳖就不卖小巴黑丝b.
也就是说10和16是互斥的,而10和20的出售意向是捆绑的,真是好奸商
jiqingsong 发表于 2011-1-17 08:28

第一次觉得看中文比看英文吃力
求8楼和12楼别翻译了,哥有点晕;P
是说巴铁要是不砍掉石榴姐,TG就不考虑改进棍子,巴铁要买就只能凑合用棍A,也就是说棍B很大程度上是因为巴铁的需求才会出现的。。。个人猜测棍B在中四出来前将是巴铁对抗三哥30和50的主力。