超级军网古代前装的定装炮弹
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最近搜索老式葡萄弹的时候，想到了一个问题，作为古代较为早期的前装炮，一直都是使用分装炮弹的，为什么不能采用类似葡萄弹那种整装的炮弹？
葡萄弹和散弹貌似都是用布匹包装起来的，中间是软木制成的用来气密的弹盘，最后是丝绸包装的火药包，为什么不可以把这三样东西都一起固定做成定装弹药，那么前装炮的射速不是能有很大提高？
感觉这样既可以做到类似弗朗机的射速，又能够避免弗朗机存在的气密性糟糕的问题……= =
咱就是论坛的小小虾米一只，有感而发，请各位老大轻拍……
最近搜索老式葡萄弹的时候，想到了一个问题，作为古代较为早期的前装炮，一直都是使用分装炮弹的，为什么不能采用类似葡萄弹那种整装的炮弹？
葡萄弹和散弹貌似都是用布匹包装起来的，中间是软木制成的用来气密的弹盘，最后是丝绸包装的火药包，为什么不可以把这三样东西都一起固定做成定装弹药，那么前装炮的射速不是能有很大提高？
感觉这样既可以做到类似弗朗机的射速，又能够避免弗朗机存在的气密性糟糕的问题……= =
咱就是论坛的小小虾米一只，有感而发，请各位老大轻拍……
我想应该是弹、药混装在一起不安全，一旦不注意火星引燃发射药的话，会出现炮弹横飞的状况。
有弹壳就相对来说安全多了，有点火星掉上面没事。
现代弹药更安全了，例如：法国航母上，飞机用的炸弹，起火也不会爆炸，会融化从弹壳上面的小孔流出来。
有弹壳就相对来说安全多了，有点火星掉上面没事。
现代弹药更安全了，例如：法国航母上，飞机用的炸弹，起火也不会爆炸，会融化从弹壳上面的小孔流出来。
火枪呢：火枪有可能里面有未熄灭的火星，先倒火药引燃的话不会受伤，燃烧的气体会直接喷出来，这样安全。
晕，今天下午陆版没人么……= =
好吧，顺带感谢下LS的解答，但是感觉这个不是问题……
按照你的担忧，可以在开战之前再临时组装起来的，那么就没有这个隐患了……= =
晕，今天下午陆版没人么……= =
好吧，顺带感谢下LS的解答，但是感觉这个不是问题……
按照你的担忧，可以在开战之前再临时组装起来的，那么就没有这个隐患了……= =
别设想了
现实中有
图就不发了
现实中有
图就不发了
額，多謝指教……
那麼還有一個問題，爲什麽這種方法沒有能夠大規模推廣？
順帶，能告訴我一下你的資料是在哪裡找到的么，百度實在是太讓人失望了……= =
非常感謝……
那麼還有一個問題，爲什麽這種方法沒有能夠大規模推廣？
順帶，能告訴我一下你的資料是在哪裡找到的么，百度實在是太讓人失望了……= =
非常感謝……
Sabot & Fixed Ammunition
In early days, due partly to the roughly made balls, wads were very important as a means of confining the powder and increasing its efficiency. Wads could be made of almost any suitable material at hand, but perhaps straw or hay ones were most common. The hay was first twisted into a 1-inch rope, then a length of the rope was folded together several times and finally rolled up into a short cylinder, a little larger than the bore. After the handier sabots came into use, however, wads were needed only to keep the ball from rolling out when the muzzle was down, or for hot shot firing.
Gunners early began to consolidate ammunition for easier and quicker loading. For instance, after the powder charge was placed in a bag, the next logical step was to attach the wad and the cannonball to it, so that loading could be made in one simple operation—pushing the single round into the bore. Toward that end, the sabot or "shoe" took the place of the wad. The sabot was a wooden disk about the same diameter as the shot. It was secured to the ball with a pair of metal straps to make "semi-fixed" ammunition; then, if the neck of the powder bag were tied around the sabot, the result was one cartridge, containing powder, sabot, and ball, called "fixed" ammunition. Fixed ammunition was usual for the lighter field pieces by the end of the 1700's, while the bigger guns used "semi-fixed."
Long pieces were at first loaded with loose powder, carried to its place at the bottom of the bore by means of a long-handled ladle; and although cartridge bags were sometimes used, it was not until Jean-Baptiste Vaquette de Gribeauval substituted the use of them entirely that they were permanently adopted. This French artillery general, was the son of a magistrate of Amiens and was born there on the 15th of September 1715. He entered the French royal artillery in 1732 as a volunteer, and became an officer in 1735. For nearly twenty years regimental duty and scientific work occupied him. In 1757, being then a lieutenant colonel, he was lent to the Austrian army on the outbreak of the Seven Years War, and served as a general officer of artillery. The siege of Glatz and the defence of Schweidnitz were his principal exploits. The empress Maria Theresa rewarded him for his work with the rank of lieutenant field-marshal and the cross of the Maria Theresa order. On his return to France he was made marchal de camp, in 1764 inspector of artillery, and in 1765 lieutenant-general and commander of the order of St Louis. For some years after this he was in disfavour at court, and he became first inspector of artillery only in 1776, in which year also he received the grand cross of the St Louis order. He was then able to carry out the reforms in the artillery arm which are his chief title to fame. The powder was in a pre-designed charge, contained in a cartridge.
By the War of 1812, the advantage of a much higher rate of fire came from the use by the United States of a new powder cartridge made of thin sheets of lead. The British used flannel bags of powder, and the gun crews had to swab out their guns after each use to extinguish any embers left in the gun. [Super Frigates]
In the fight between the HMS Macedonian and the USS United States, for example, the United States got off 66 shots per gun as compared to 36 of the Macedonian. United States began the action at 0920 by firing an inaccurate broadside at Macedonian. This was answered immediately by the British vessel, bringing down a small spar of United States. Decatur's next broadside had better luck, as it destroyed Macedonian's mizzen top mast, letting her driver gaff fall and so giving the advantage in maneuver to the American's frigate. United States next took up position off Macedonian's quarter and proceeded to riddle the hapless frigate methodically with shot. By noon, Macedonian was a dismasted hulk and was forced to surrender. She had suffered 104 casualties as against 12 in United States, which emerged from the battle relatively unscathed. The two ships lay alongside each other for over two weeks while Macedonian was repaired sufficiently to sail. United States and her prize entered New York Harbor on 4 December amid tumultuous national jubilation over the spectacular victory.
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In early days, due partly to the roughly made balls, wads were very important as a means of confining the powder and increasing its efficiency. Wads could be made of almost any suitable material at hand, but perhaps straw or hay ones were most common. The hay was first twisted into a 1-inch rope, then a length of the rope was folded together several times and finally rolled up into a short cylinder, a little larger than the bore. After the handier sabots came into use, however, wads were needed only to keep the ball from rolling out when the muzzle was down, or for hot shot firing.
Gunners early began to consolidate ammunition for easier and quicker loading. For instance, after the powder charge was placed in a bag, the next logical step was to attach the wad and the cannonball to it, so that loading could be made in one simple operation—pushing the single round into the bore. Toward that end, the sabot or "shoe" took the place of the wad. The sabot was a wooden disk about the same diameter as the shot. It was secured to the ball with a pair of metal straps to make "semi-fixed" ammunition; then, if the neck of the powder bag were tied around the sabot, the result was one cartridge, containing powder, sabot, and ball, called "fixed" ammunition. Fixed ammunition was usual for the lighter field pieces by the end of the 1700's, while the bigger guns used "semi-fixed."
Long pieces were at first loaded with loose powder, carried to its place at the bottom of the bore by means of a long-handled ladle; and although cartridge bags were sometimes used, it was not until Jean-Baptiste Vaquette de Gribeauval substituted the use of them entirely that they were permanently adopted. This French artillery general, was the son of a magistrate of Amiens and was born there on the 15th of September 1715. He entered the French royal artillery in 1732 as a volunteer, and became an officer in 1735. For nearly twenty years regimental duty and scientific work occupied him. In 1757, being then a lieutenant colonel, he was lent to the Austrian army on the outbreak of the Seven Years War, and served as a general officer of artillery. The siege of Glatz and the defence of Schweidnitz were his principal exploits. The empress Maria Theresa rewarded him for his work with the rank of lieutenant field-marshal and the cross of the Maria Theresa order. On his return to France he was made marchal de camp, in 1764 inspector of artillery, and in 1765 lieutenant-general and commander of the order of St Louis. For some years after this he was in disfavour at court, and he became first inspector of artillery only in 1776, in which year also he received the grand cross of the St Louis order. He was then able to carry out the reforms in the artillery arm which are his chief title to fame. The powder was in a pre-designed charge, contained in a cartridge.
By the War of 1812, the advantage of a much higher rate of fire came from the use by the United States of a new powder cartridge made of thin sheets of lead. The British used flannel bags of powder, and the gun crews had to swab out their guns after each use to extinguish any embers left in the gun. [Super Frigates]
In the fight between the HMS Macedonian and the USS United States, for example, the United States got off 66 shots per gun as compared to 36 of the Macedonian. United States began the action at 0920 by firing an inaccurate broadside at Macedonian. This was answered immediately by the British vessel, bringing down a small spar of United States. Decatur's next broadside had better luck, as it destroyed Macedonian's mizzen top mast, letting her driver gaff fall and so giving the advantage in maneuver to the American's frigate. United States next took up position off Macedonian's quarter and proceeded to riddle the hapless frigate methodically with shot. By noon, Macedonian was a dismasted hulk and was forced to surrender. She had suffered 104 casualties as against 12 in United States, which emerged from the battle relatively unscathed. The two ships lay alongside each other for over two weeks while Macedonian was repaired sufficiently to sail. United States and her prize entered New York Harbor on 4 December amid tumultuous national jubilation over the spectacular victory.
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