南华早报泄：俄罗斯对华出口４８架苏３５

这个消息发在１２月２日的南华早报上，原文标题是China Fighter,而且是头版第一个导读。（题外话，头版一共三个导读，另两个标题是 Dog Fight　和 Bug Fight，Dog Fight说的是上海规定流浪狗３０天无人领，就安乐死， Bug Fight说的是香港的卫生状况，似乎南华昨天是和Fight杠上了。）

报道中援引了澳门国际防备研究所和加拿大汉和的有关研究员的采访，汉和就是著名的平大师了，而那个澳门的研究所则是主席Antony Wong Dong出面说的，此君关于中国的防备的言论也不少，大家可以自己百度一下就知。

文章中称，交货时间是２０１０至２０１５,其中首批，将在今年底前到货。４８架将装备中国空军两个团。而俄罗斯方面坚持要中国多采访，理由是只有单一机型超过４０架，才能赚钱。

苏３５如果真的买来了，是否说明我们的自研机，有什么状况了？

附原文：http://www.scmp.com/portal/site/ ... ss=china&s=news

Russia will sell Beijing hi-tech jets, reports say
Reversal of policy on weapons
Minnie Chan
Dec 02, 2010       
      

Russia has signalled its intention to sell advanced fourth-generation Su-35 fighter jets and other sophisticated weapons to China, a reversal of its previous policy of denying Beijing access to such equipment, military and diplomatic experts said.
The multi-role fighter is expected to roll off assembly lines by the end of the year, with the first batch set for China between 2010 and 2015, according to Russian media.



Local media and military experts indicate that China has ordered up to 48 Su-35 Flanker-Es, enough to equip two fighter groups in the People's Liberation Army Air Force.

"The number 48 does make sense because in last year's Su-33 carrier-based fighter aircraft deal, Russia also requested that China order as many as 48 jets, because Moscow would only make a profit if the order was more than 40," Antony Wong Dong, president of Macau's International Military Association, said.

But that deal was turned down by Beijing after it successfully tested its indigenous carrier-capable fighter, the J-15, which many say is a copy of the Russian Su-33.

The Su-35 is the most advanced fighter jet that Russia exports.

Russia has complained that China's J-series fighters - from the J-10 to the J-15 - are just inferior copies of its Su originals and even blacklisted Beijing as an arms-sales client last year.

But Russian reports last month said Beijing had resumed negotiations on the Su-33 deal because China had found that the engine designed for the J-15 failed to compete with the Russian engine used in the Su-33.

"In fact, Russia has sold many AL-31F engines, which could be used in both the Su-33 and J-15, to China already," Andrei Chang, the editor-in-chief of the Canada-based Kanwa Defence Review, said.

Besides Su-35s, Moscow has also decided to offer 100 RD-93 jet engines, which China uses in its exported Fighter China-1 (a lightweight multi-role aircraft developed jointly with Pakistan), and even its S-400 missile system to Beijing, Russian media reported.

But Chang said Russia would not deliver Su-35s and S-400 systems to China before 2017. "Top officials from Beijing and Moscow are now talking about the deals, but my Russian sources tell me that so far, the two weapons are not on their export list for China," Chang said, adding the S-400 was not yet in production.

Russia's state-run arms exporter, Rosoboronexport, said it was ready to hold talks with China on the delivery of advanced Su-35 fighters to the Chinese air force, the Moscow-based RIA-Novosti news agency said.

It said the Russian aircraft maker Sukhoi had said that it planned to start deliveries of Su-35s to foreign clients next year and produce the aircraft over the next 10 years.

RIA-Novosti said the latest developments should further contribute to the warmest Sino-Russian relations in history, with Beijing and Moscow more willing to address disputes involving the intellectual property rights of Russia's weapon technologies.

It said both Russia and China had agreed to resolve the issue of the illegal production of Russian arms in China during talks at this year's biennial air show in Zhuhai .

With Sino-Russian relations never better, it was "very possible" for both countries to compromise over such disagreements, Cheng Yijun, a Russian relations expert at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, said.

"Both Russia and China need each other to balance their ties with the US in the Asia-Pacific. Indeed, current Sino-Russian relations are the best and healthiest in history because of their equality and interdependency," Cheng said, highlighting the growing trade and close co-operation in aerospace and aeronautical projects between the two countries.

"Arms imports from Russia have been decreasing over the past few years due to China's rapid development of indigenous weapons, but in sophisticated technologies, China still needs to co-operate with Russia, with all our astronauts being trained by Moscow."

这个消息发在１２月２日的南华早报上，原文标题是China Fighter,而且是头版第一个导读。（题外话，头版一共三个导读，另两个标题是 Dog Fight　和 Bug Fight，Dog Fight说的是上海规定流浪狗３０天无人领，就安乐死， Bug Fight说的是香港的卫生状况，似乎南华昨天是和Fight杠上了。）

报道中援引了澳门国际防备研究所和加拿大汉和的有关研究员的采访，汉和就是著名的平大师了，而那个澳门的研究所则是主席Antony Wong Dong出面说的，此君关于中国的防备的言论也不少，大家可以自己百度一下就知。

文章中称，交货时间是２０１０至２０１５,其中首批，将在今年底前到货。４８架将装备中国空军两个团。而俄罗斯方面坚持要中国多采访，理由是只有单一机型超过４０架，才能赚钱。

苏３５如果真的买来了，是否说明我们的自研机，有什么状况了？

附原文：http://www.scmp.com/portal/site/ ... ss=china&s=news

Russia will sell Beijing hi-tech jets, reports say
Reversal of policy on weapons
Minnie Chan
Dec 02, 2010       
      

Russia has signalled its intention to sell advanced fourth-generation Su-35 fighter jets and other sophisticated weapons to China, a reversal of its previous policy of denying Beijing access to such equipment, military and diplomatic experts said.
The multi-role fighter is expected to roll off assembly lines by the end of the year, with the first batch set for China between 2010 and 2015, according to Russian media.



Local media and military experts indicate that China has ordered up to 48 Su-35 Flanker-Es, enough to equip two fighter groups in the People's Liberation Army Air Force.

"The number 48 does make sense because in last year's Su-33 carrier-based fighter aircraft deal, Russia also requested that China order as many as 48 jets, because Moscow would only make a profit if the order was more than 40," Antony Wong Dong, president of Macau's International Military Association, said.

But that deal was turned down by Beijing after it successfully tested its indigenous carrier-capable fighter, the J-15, which many say is a copy of the Russian Su-33.

The Su-35 is the most advanced fighter jet that Russia exports.

Russia has complained that China's J-series fighters - from the J-10 to the J-15 - are just inferior copies of its Su originals and even blacklisted Beijing as an arms-sales client last year.

But Russian reports last month said Beijing had resumed negotiations on the Su-33 deal because China had found that the engine designed for the J-15 failed to compete with the Russian engine used in the Su-33.

"In fact, Russia has sold many AL-31F engines, which could be used in both the Su-33 and J-15, to China already," Andrei Chang, the editor-in-chief of the Canada-based Kanwa Defence Review, said.

Besides Su-35s, Moscow has also decided to offer 100 RD-93 jet engines, which China uses in its exported Fighter China-1 (a lightweight multi-role aircraft developed jointly with Pakistan), and even its S-400 missile system to Beijing, Russian media reported.

But Chang said Russia would not deliver Su-35s and S-400 systems to China before 2017. "Top officials from Beijing and Moscow are now talking about the deals, but my Russian sources tell me that so far, the two weapons are not on their export list for China," Chang said, adding the S-400 was not yet in production.

Russia's state-run arms exporter, Rosoboronexport, said it was ready to hold talks with China on the delivery of advanced Su-35 fighters to the Chinese air force, the Moscow-based RIA-Novosti news agency said.

It said the Russian aircraft maker Sukhoi had said that it planned to start deliveries of Su-35s to foreign clients next year and produce the aircraft over the next 10 years.

RIA-Novosti said the latest developments should further contribute to the warmest Sino-Russian relations in history, with Beijing and Moscow more willing to address disputes involving the intellectual property rights of Russia's weapon technologies.

It said both Russia and China had agreed to resolve the issue of the illegal production of Russian arms in China during talks at this year's biennial air show in Zhuhai .

With Sino-Russian relations never better, it was "very possible" for both countries to compromise over such disagreements, Cheng Yijun, a Russian relations expert at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, said.

"Both Russia and China need each other to balance their ties with the US in the Asia-Pacific. Indeed, current Sino-Russian relations are the best and healthiest in history because of their equality and interdependency," Cheng said, highlighting the growing trade and close co-operation in aerospace and aeronautical projects between the two countries.

"Arms imports from Russia have been decreasing over the past few years due to China's rapid development of indigenous weapons, but in sophisticated technologies, China still needs to co-operate with Russia, with all our astronauts being trained by Moscow."