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1楼是纽约时报的报道(禁止出口稀土), 13楼市彭博社的辟谣(不禁止出口稀土给日本),据彭博社人说他们是采访了外经委的发言人得到的消息;
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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/2 ... rare.html?src=busln

In Dispute, China Blocks Rare Earth Exports to Japan

HONG KONG — Sharply raising the stakes in a dispute over Japan’s
detention of a Chinese fishing trawler captain, the Chinese government
has placed a trade embargo on all exports to Japan of a crucial category
of minerals used in products like hybrid cars, wind turbines and guided
missiles.


China Takes a Sharper Tone in Dispute With Japan (September 23, 2010)
Chinese customs officials are halting all shipments to Japan of so-
called rare earth elements, industry experts said on Thursday morning.

On Tuesday, Prime Minister Wen Jiabao personally called for Japan’s
release of the captain, who was detained after his vessel collided with
two Japanese coast guard vessels about 40 minutes apart as he tried to
fish in waters controlled by Japan but long claimed by China. Mr. Wen
threatened unspecified further actions if Japan did not comply.

A Chinese commerce ministry official declined on Thursday to discuss the
country’s trade policy on rare earths, saying only that Mr. Wen’s
comments remained the Chinese government’s position.

China mines 93 percent of the world’s rare earth minerals, and more than
99 percent of the world’s supply of some the most prized rare earths,
which sell for several hundred dollars a pound.

Japan has been the main buyer of Chinese rare earths for many years,
using them for a wide range of industrial purposes, like making glass
for solar panels. They are also used in small steering control motors in
conventional gasoline-powered cars as well as in motors that help propel
hybrid cars like the Toyota Prius.

The Chinese embargo is likely to have immediate repercussions in
Washington, where the House Armed Services Committee has scheduled a
hearing on Oct. 5 to review legislation that would subsidize the revival
of the American rare earths industry. The main American rare earths
mine, located in Mountain Pass, Calif., closed in 2002, but efforts are
under way to reopen it.

The Defense Department has a separate review under way on whether the
United States should develop its own sources of supply for rare earths,
which are also used in equipment including rangefinders on the Army’s
tanks, radar systems aboard Navy vessels and the control vanes on the
Air Force’s smart bombs.

The Chinese embargo is likely to prompt particular alarm in Japan, which
has few natural resources and has long worried about its dependence on
imports. The United States was the main supplier of oil to Japan in the
1930s, and the imposition of an American oil embargo on Japan in 1941,
in an effort to curb Japanese military expansionism, has been cited by
some historians as one of the reasons that Japan subsequently attacked
Pearl Harbor.

Jeff Green, a Washington lobbyist for rare earth processors in the
United States, Britain, Canada and Australia, said that China and Japan
are the only two sources for the initial, semiprocessed blocks of rare
earth magnetic material. If Japan runs out of rare earths from China —
and Japanese companies have been stockpiling in the past two years —
then the United States will have to buy the semiprocessed blocks
directly from China, he said.

“We are going to be 100 percent reliant on the Chinese to make the
components for the defense supply chain,” Mr. Green said.

Japanese companies are now setting up rare earth processing factories in
northern Vietnam, partly to use small reserves of rare earths found
there but also to process rare earths smuggled across the border from
southern China. But the Chinese government has been rapidly tightening
controls on the industry in the past three months in an attempt to limit
smuggling.

There are 17 rare-earth elements — some of which, despite the name, are
not particularly rare — but two heavy rare earths, dysprosium and
terbium, are in especially short supply, mainly because they have
emerged as the miracle ingredients of green energy products.

Tiny quantities of dysprosium can make magnets in electric motors
lighter by 90 percent, while terbium can help cut the electricity usage
of lights by 80 percent. Dysprosium prices have climbed nearly sevenfold
since 2003, to $53 a pound. Terbium prices quadrupled from 2003 to 2008,
peaking at $407 a pound, before slumping in the global economic crisis
to $205 a pound.
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1楼是纽约时报的报道(禁止出口稀土), 13楼市彭博社的辟谣(不禁止出口稀土给日本),据彭博社人说他们是采访了外经委的发言人得到的消息;
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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/2 ... rare.html?src=busln

In Dispute, China Blocks Rare Earth Exports to Japan

HONG KONG — Sharply raising the stakes in a dispute over Japan’s
detention of a Chinese fishing trawler captain, the Chinese government
has placed a trade embargo on all exports to Japan of a crucial category
of minerals used in products like hybrid cars, wind turbines and guided
missiles.


China Takes a Sharper Tone in Dispute With Japan (September 23, 2010)
Chinese customs officials are halting all shipments to Japan of so-
called rare earth elements, industry experts said on Thursday morning.

On Tuesday, Prime Minister Wen Jiabao personally called for Japan’s
release of the captain, who was detained after his vessel collided with
two Japanese coast guard vessels about 40 minutes apart as he tried to
fish in waters controlled by Japan but long claimed by China. Mr. Wen
threatened unspecified further actions if Japan did not comply.

A Chinese commerce ministry official declined on Thursday to discuss the
country’s trade policy on rare earths, saying only that Mr. Wen’s
comments remained the Chinese government’s position.

China mines 93 percent of the world’s rare earth minerals, and more than
99 percent of the world’s supply of some the most prized rare earths,
which sell for several hundred dollars a pound.

Japan has been the main buyer of Chinese rare earths for many years,
using them for a wide range of industrial purposes, like making glass
for solar panels. They are also used in small steering control motors in
conventional gasoline-powered cars as well as in motors that help propel
hybrid cars like the Toyota Prius.

The Chinese embargo is likely to have immediate repercussions in
Washington, where the House Armed Services Committee has scheduled a
hearing on Oct. 5 to review legislation that would subsidize the revival
of the American rare earths industry. The main American rare earths
mine, located in Mountain Pass, Calif., closed in 2002, but efforts are
under way to reopen it.

The Defense Department has a separate review under way on whether the
United States should develop its own sources of supply for rare earths,
which are also used in equipment including rangefinders on the Army’s
tanks, radar systems aboard Navy vessels and the control vanes on the
Air Force’s smart bombs.

The Chinese embargo is likely to prompt particular alarm in Japan, which
has few natural resources and has long worried about its dependence on
imports. The United States was the main supplier of oil to Japan in the
1930s, and the imposition of an American oil embargo on Japan in 1941,
in an effort to curb Japanese military expansionism, has been cited by
some historians as one of the reasons that Japan subsequently attacked
Pearl Harbor.

Jeff Green, a Washington lobbyist for rare earth processors in the
United States, Britain, Canada and Australia, said that China and Japan
are the only two sources for the initial, semiprocessed blocks of rare
earth magnetic material. If Japan runs out of rare earths from China —
and Japanese companies have been stockpiling in the past two years —
then the United States will have to buy the semiprocessed blocks
directly from China, he said.

“We are going to be 100 percent reliant on the Chinese to make the
components for the defense supply chain,” Mr. Green said.

Japanese companies are now setting up rare earth processing factories in
northern Vietnam, partly to use small reserves of rare earths found
there but also to process rare earths smuggled across the border from
southern China. But the Chinese government has been rapidly tightening
controls on the industry in the past three months in an attempt to limit
smuggling.

There are 17 rare-earth elements — some of which, despite the name, are
not particularly rare — but two heavy rare earths, dysprosium and
terbium, are in especially short supply, mainly because they have
emerged as the miracle ingredients of green energy products.

Tiny quantities of dysprosium can make magnets in electric motors
lighter by 90 percent, while terbium can help cut the electricity usage
of lights by 80 percent. Dysprosium prices have climbed nearly sevenfold
since 2003, to $53 a pound. Terbium prices quadrupled from 2003 to 2008,
peaking at $407 a pound, before slumping in the global economic crisis
to $205 a pound.
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那位高人翻译下
禁运日本有毛用啊?小日的会通过第三方,禁止全部出口那就HKC了
求翻译,这事真的假的啊?

如果是真的,那这个制裁手段还是很给力的。

不过日本已经在近海海底埋了够十几年使用的稀土了!都是以前廉价买去的!
怎么这个消息都出自大陆以外。有些疑惑。
110抓007 发表于 2010-9-23 12:10

最终用户协议
C卫星 发表于 2010-9-23 12:11


这段子有链接否?

我到现在为止听过霓虹埋到海里的已经有煤、焦炭、钢材、镍、铜...现在又出稀土了。。。
回复 4# C卫星


    上回见一帖子说日本埋着煤,今天咋成了稀土了。
日本的海就是多啦A梦的四次元空间袋,什么都能往里填……
rangerlord_110 发表于 2010-9-23 12:15

这个消息的出处忘了,反正是这个月看到的。

大概是报纸上,环球或参考吧。
禁运将持续到月底,如果船长月底还没恢复自由,可能将持续下去。
rangerlord_110 发表于 2010-9-23 12:15


    怎么挖啊,成本,这钢材浸泡在腐蚀性比淡水厉害得多的海水里面我还是头次听说过,呵呵,他不会笑话我们太火星了吧!!!:D
再次更新一下,彭博社辟谣,说tg没有禁止出口稀土给日本。记者电话采访外经委发言人“Chen Rongkai”

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/20 ... iplomatic-spat.html

China Denies Report of Rare-Earth Export Ban to Japan Amid Diplomatic Spat
By Bloomberg News - Sep 22, 2010 10:56 PM GMT-0500

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China denied reports it has banned the export of rare earths to Japan, which is the biggest buyer of the minerals used in a wide range of high-technology products.

The New York Times earlier reported that the ban was imposed amid a diplomatic row between the two countries over Japan’s arrest of a Chinese fishing boat captain in disputed waters.

“China does not have a trade embargo on rare earth exports to Japan,” China’s Ministry of Foreign Trade and Economics Co- operation spokesman Chen Rongkai said in a telephone interview today.
110抓007 发表于 2010-9-23 12:26


    所以就算现在有人说霓虹埋死人做战略储备我都不会震惊了。
rangerlord_110 发表于 2010-9-23 12:28
埋僵尸军团吗?:D
rangerlord_110 发表于 2010-9-23 12:28
还有人真以为鬼子什么资源都倒到海里啊,稀土跑到海里会被慢慢溶解的...
不知道下次会不会出现鬼子把石油埋到海里的说法 = =
C卫星 发表于 2010-9-23 12:11

又是个被谣言骗了的孩子。

不过话说回来,煤/稀土/XX埋在海底这说法还真是流毒甚广,我已经听过无数老师对学生这么说过了。
稀土、煤,断一个都能让鬼子很疼,毕竟距离在那摆着

我倒是希望TG把煤炭和稀土管起来禁止出口,资源这种东西还是先挖别人的好
怎么我最早听到的说法就是石油整桶整桶地埋到海里?
zetaplus 发表于 2010-9-23 12:31

你的意思是日本没有储备或者说没填在海里?
网上都是以讹传讹。日本的战略物资储备是在陆地上建的仓库,没有沉入海底的方案。
战略储备当然会有,日本又不是傻子,只是别把什么都往海里填
C卫星 发表于 2010-9-23 12:33


    储备必然有,但是填海就太车了
TG行动没这么快,也不会这么狠,小白兔终究是白兔
埋煤很久的故事了,十五年前听过
回复 25# 小刺猬

结合你的ID看觉得很萌啊…小刺猬是什么国家?以色列?国际小动物化……

你的意思是日本没有储备或者说没填在海里?
C卫星 发表于 2010-9-23 12:33


我一直觉得最值得可疑的就是日本真要有那放陆地上就不行吗?平白无故费那个事埋到海底去干嘛?

储备一般大国都有,像日本资源少的更是,比如石油日本就做得很好,但是好好的陆地不放,非要弄到海底去,这不是画蛇添足么?
你的意思是日本没有储备或者说没填在海里?
C卫星 发表于 2010-9-23 12:33


我一直觉得最值得可疑的就是日本真要有那放陆地上就不行吗?平白无故费那个事埋到海底去干嘛?

储备一般大国都有,像日本资源少的更是,比如石油日本就做得很好,但是好好的陆地不放,非要弄到海底去,这不是画蛇添足么?
在一片紧张,中国稀土出口量,以块基思布拉德舍JapanBy

发布时间:2010年9月22日

香港 - 大幅度提高了对日本的一个中国渔业渔船船长拘留纠纷的利害关系,我国政府已对一个像混合动力汽车,风力涡轮机和引导产品中使用矿物关键类别中的所有出口到日本进行贸易禁运导弹。

中国领导人场行政人员问题(2010年9月23日)中国海关官员是停止一切所谓的稀土元素日本的出货量,业界官员表示,星期四上午。

周二,总理温家宝亲自呼吁日本船长,谁是后两个日本海岸警卫船约40分钟外,他试图在日本控制的水域捕鱼,但长期受中国声称他的船只相撞,释放被拘留。温家宝未说明进一步行动的威胁,如果日本没有遵守。

一个中国商务部官员周四拒绝讨论该国对稀土贸易的政策,只说文先生的意见仍然是我国政府的立场。

中国煤矿是世界上稀土矿物的百分之93,百分之99以上的世界上最珍贵的稀土元素,其中几百美元一磅卖一些供应。

达德利金斯诺斯,该工业矿产公司澳大利亚,1稀土咨询公司执行董事表示,在稀土产业的若干高层管理人员已表示对他的出口禁令的忧虑。该负责人已被告知,初步禁令持续到该月月底,而当时我国政府将重新评估是否延长,如果捕鱼船长仍然没有被释放的禁令,金斯诺斯先生说。

他说:“停止发货,他们破坏的商业合同,这是令人遗憾的,只会强调,供应地域多样性的需要,”他说。他补充说,除了告诉公司停止出口,我国政府还指示海关官员停止稀土矿物任何出口到日本。

日本一直是多年的中国稀土的主要购买者,使用了广泛的工业用途,其中,像制作太阳能电池板玻璃。他们还用在小的指导,常规汽油动力汽车电机控制以及电机,帮助推动像丰田Prius混合动力汽车。

公司目前主要依赖美国对日本使用的磁体和稀土元素的其他组成部分,作为美国在该产业的制造能力成为竞争力低,主要是在过去20年关闭。

在中国禁运可能在华盛顿有着直接影响。关于科学技术是内务委员会定于周四上午审查法案详细补贴的美国稀土行业的复苏。美国的主要稀土矿,关闭了山口,加利福尼亚州,2002年,但目前正在努力重新打开它的。

众议院军事委员会已定于10月5日举行听证会,检讨美国对中国稀土的军事依赖。

国防部已就美国是否应发展为稀土,这亦是设备,其中包括对军队的坦克测距仪用于供应自己的来源正在进行独立检讨,乘坐海军舰艇和空军的控制叶片声纳系统警队的智能炸弹。

在中国禁运可能会促使日本,没有天然资源,长期以来有关其对美国的依赖担心imports.The尤其担忧的是石油的主要供应商在20世纪30年代日本,以及美国实施石油禁运日本于1941年,在努力遏制日本的军事扩张,已被引用为理由,日本偷袭珍珠港后的一些历史学家之一。

杰夫绿色,一个在美国,英国,加拿大和澳大利亚稀土处理器华盛顿说客,他说,中国和日本是仅有的两个初始,稀土磁块半成品原料来源。如果日本耗尽从中国稀土 - 与日本公司在过去两年中储存 - 那么美国将不得不从中国买了块半成品直接,他说。

“我们将要在中国百分之百的依赖,以便为国防供应链的组成部分,”格林先生说。

日本公司正着手在越南北部的稀土加工工厂,部分原因是利用稀土储量小,但也发现有稀土处理跨越边境走私分子从中国南部。但是,我国政府已迅速收紧,在过去4个月的控制,试图走私的行业限制。

稀土元素已在紧张的供应,物价高涨,在我国政府在7月份宣布,它削减了百分之72的今年余下的出口配额。日本商界领袖组成的代表团9月7日举行会议,抗议在配额大幅减少,在北京中国官员。

对钐价格,关键像导弹制导电机高温军事上的应用,7月以来已超过三倍,至每磅32美元,格林先生说。

邓小平对中国已故领导人,被广泛报道说,尽管中东有石油,中国稀土占主导地位。但是,尽管阿拉伯国家用来作为政治武器,在1956年,石油出口的限制,1967年和1973年,中国至今已避免使用其作为对其他形式的政府利用稀土元素接近垄断。

中国试图将自己定位,而不是作为一个可靠的供应商,部分是为了阻止其他国家的挖掘自己的稀土矿山。

尽管名称,稀土其实相当普遍,它们很昂贵,很少在其他地方,因为开采加工设备,他们分别是从矿石稀土昂贵,因为几乎总是发生在放射性钍和铀的混合存款自然。加工运行辐射漏泄的危险, - 一小漏泄的原因之一是去年美国矿山无法更新其营业执照,并在2002年关闭 - 和处置放射性钍是困难和昂贵。

日本外务省一位高级官员,谁不愿透露姓名,他说,日本政府还没有接到任何通知关于中国的禁运。这位官员说,但是,日本政府已多次要求中国不要限制稀土出口,理由是这样做的严重后果,将会对全球生产和贸易。

丰田公司尚未收到任何信息的封锁,无法发表评论,称雅美土井,为丰田在东京的发言人。

赛迪网有助于从东京报道。

这方面的一个版本出现在打印文章9月23日,页B1的纽约版的..登陆2010年,以电子邮件
车MM你发的这个机翻看得我囧死了…
haihun 发表于 2010-9-23 12:29
嘿嘿,僵尸多咱不怕,多种点植物就行了。{:hao:}
除了开头和尾巴比较囧 中间凑活看了。
rangerlord_110 发表于 2010-9-23 12:28

你太幽默了:D
人工简化翻译版:

纽约时报周四报道称,中国已禁止向日本出口稀土。之前日本在钓鱼岛海域扣押中国渔船船长,两国外交关系紧张局面升级。

该报导引述匿名业内专家称,对日稀土矿出口的初步全面禁令或将持续到本月底。

中国稀土贸易商对路透称,尚未听说任何相关禁令。一名日本贸易官员告诉路透,曾听闻禁运谣言,但无法进一步置评。

中国国务院总理温家宝周二敦促日本立即无条件释放被扣押的中国船长,否则中方将采取进一步行动。

中方已经暂停与日本的双边省部级以上交往,中止了双方有关增加航班事宜的接触。

中国是全球主要的稀土出产国,2009年占全球稀土供应的97%。中国将2010年下半年稀土出口配额减少72%,导致全球价格飙升。

日本检方要到9月29日才会决定是否起诉被扣押的中国船长。
凑活看了{:3_84:}
禁止出口有个屁用啊,AV的稀土储存量已经够用100年了
哪里辟谣了
中国辟谣了?那看来是真的了
:D所谓的辟谣  其实就是莫须有  跟你不爽 禁稀土有什么奇怪?  

表面上 商业脸皮还是要点  不能说翻就翻
毕竟狗日的陆上不安全我相信是添海了好像是水泥封了扔海里