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1.


“好A型,不来一发么?”

介于月经队一直在那边嚷嚷“出来混最重要就是讲信用,说了要2012年IOC就一定要2012年IOC!”

然而按照现在B型的生产和试飞进度,很难做到让USMC在2012年训练出足够数量(20名)的F-35飞行员。

所以F-35项目组给USMC出了个主意:


“你们拿些F-35A先练着吧!”


http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/b ... kElementId=blogDest


Marines Could Fly CTOL JSF


Posted by Bill Sweetman at 9/14/2010

The US Marine Corps could make greater use of (see update for wording change) the Air Force's F-35A variant of the Joint Strike Fighter, as delays and a major review cast more doubt on the feasibility of meeting a late-2012 IOC date with the F-35B short take-off, vertical landing variant.

The change is one of the options emerging from an in-depth review of the JSF program, covering the path from now until initial operating capability and full production, Lockheed Martin F-35 general manager Tom Burbage said Monday at the Air Force Association convention at National Harbor, Maryland. This is the review that underlies recent discussions about "rephasing" the F-35 program.

The technical baseline review (TBR) was commissioned after the JSF's Nunn-McCurdy breach earlier this year and supports a Defense Acquisition Board review in November. Burbage characterizes the TBR as featuring a different role for Air Force Materiel Command and Naval Air Systems Command, which have hitherto delegated the management of the program to the JSF Program Office.

The syscoms "are taking a much stronger role as we get to introducing the aircraft to operations", Burbage said on Monday. Although the TBR also includes an independent manufacturing review, a major focus is on the critical path towards IOC.

In the case of the F-35B, there are three major items on the critical path, Burbage says. The most important, underpinning the others, is the vertical landing test program. Since March, F-35 BF-1, the only jet instrumented for vertical landings in the initial test phase, has accomplished about half as many vertical landings as scheduled, performing a dozen flights. Burbage says that 42 flights are "the magic number" after which the other F-35B test assets can start flying in vertical mode. BF-2 is being modified with the necessary instrumentation to share BF-1's role and reach that point more quickly.

The second key critical path item is the "ready for training" date, which indicates that enough testing has been done to allow the aircraft to be flown safely by operational pilots rather than test pilots, and without the constant monitoring in the test environment. The Marines' IOC criteria include the availability of 20 trained pilots.

The third big critical item is ship qualification, which was due to start in the first half of 2011, and Burbage adds that "there is a myriad of other things to be done."

The Marines have continued to insist that they will declare IOC in late 2012, and Burbage stresses that it is the operator's role to make that call. However, he says, one of the options being floated as the TBR continues is "why don't the Marines fly the CTOL aircraft?"

The F-35As have so far proven more reliable than the F-35Bs, and the Marine IOC plan has always called for training to start on the F-35A. The Marine inventory also includes combat aircraft such as the F/A-18D and EA-6B, which are for practical purposes land-based in Marine service.

Therefore, an expanded role for the F-35A could form a bridge to the definitive F-35B - while taking some pressure off the program and giving it more time to fix what are still characterized as component-quality issues with the STOVL jet.

Update and clarification:  I initially worded this piece to reflect my view that the USMC could declare IOC with the F-35A before going on to the F-35B, and unintentionally implied that Burbage had suggested that they could do so. Lockheed Martin asks us to point out that while a larger role for the F-35A with the Marines is an option under discussion, as a means of mitigating schedule risk, it is entirely up to the Marines to decide whether that would be declared as an operational capability and that the Marines have no plan to do so as yet.

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注意,不是说让USMC装备F-35A来IOC。


1.


“好A型,不来一发么?”

介于月经队一直在那边嚷嚷“出来混最重要就是讲信用,说了要2012年IOC就一定要2012年IOC!”

然而按照现在B型的生产和试飞进度,很难做到让USMC在2012年训练出足够数量(20名)的F-35飞行员。

所以F-35项目组给USMC出了个主意:


“你们拿些F-35A先练着吧!”


http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/b ... kElementId=blogDest


Marines Could Fly CTOL JSF


Posted by Bill Sweetman at 9/14/2010

The US Marine Corps could make greater use of (see update for wording change) the Air Force's F-35A variant of the Joint Strike Fighter, as delays and a major review cast more doubt on the feasibility of meeting a late-2012 IOC date with the F-35B short take-off, vertical landing variant.

The change is one of the options emerging from an in-depth review of the JSF program, covering the path from now until initial operating capability and full production, Lockheed Martin F-35 general manager Tom Burbage said Monday at the Air Force Association convention at National Harbor, Maryland. This is the review that underlies recent discussions about "rephasing" the F-35 program.

The technical baseline review (TBR) was commissioned after the JSF's Nunn-McCurdy breach earlier this year and supports a Defense Acquisition Board review in November. Burbage characterizes the TBR as featuring a different role for Air Force Materiel Command and Naval Air Systems Command, which have hitherto delegated the management of the program to the JSF Program Office.

The syscoms "are taking a much stronger role as we get to introducing the aircraft to operations", Burbage said on Monday. Although the TBR also includes an independent manufacturing review, a major focus is on the critical path towards IOC.

In the case of the F-35B, there are three major items on the critical path, Burbage says. The most important, underpinning the others, is the vertical landing test program. Since March, F-35 BF-1, the only jet instrumented for vertical landings in the initial test phase, has accomplished about half as many vertical landings as scheduled, performing a dozen flights. Burbage says that 42 flights are "the magic number" after which the other F-35B test assets can start flying in vertical mode. BF-2 is being modified with the necessary instrumentation to share BF-1's role and reach that point more quickly.

The second key critical path item is the "ready for training" date, which indicates that enough testing has been done to allow the aircraft to be flown safely by operational pilots rather than test pilots, and without the constant monitoring in the test environment. The Marines' IOC criteria include the availability of 20 trained pilots.

The third big critical item is ship qualification, which was due to start in the first half of 2011, and Burbage adds that "there is a myriad of other things to be done."

The Marines have continued to insist that they will declare IOC in late 2012, and Burbage stresses that it is the operator's role to make that call. However, he says, one of the options being floated as the TBR continues is "why don't the Marines fly the CTOL aircraft?"

The F-35As have so far proven more reliable than the F-35Bs, and the Marine IOC plan has always called for training to start on the F-35A. The Marine inventory also includes combat aircraft such as the F/A-18D and EA-6B, which are for practical purposes land-based in Marine service.

Therefore, an expanded role for the F-35A could form a bridge to the definitive F-35B - while taking some pressure off the program and giving it more time to fix what are still characterized as component-quality issues with the STOVL jet.

Update and clarification:  I initially worded this piece to reflect my view that the USMC could declare IOC with the F-35A before going on to the F-35B, and unintentionally implied that Burbage had suggested that they could do so. Lockheed Martin asks us to point out that while a larger role for the F-35A with the Marines is an option under discussion, as a means of mitigating schedule risk, it is entirely up to the Marines to decide whether that would be declared as an operational capability and that the Marines have no plan to do so as yet.

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注意,不是说让USMC装备F-35A来IOC。
2.“对空能力提升确定!”


http://www.airforce-magazine.com ... InTwoMoreShots.aspx


臭鼬已经基本搞定在F-35弹舱挂载6枚AIM-120的构型



隐身构型对空挂载能力提升50%。

预计在Block5批次上就可实现(挪威方面证实)

连USMC的预算都要忽悠,LM处境不妙。
关注一下,马扁银子的东西。
+D??
还要再删减120的弹翼才能装进去?
6枚AIM120可真不是盖的啊,就算是要删减弹翼,战斗力也不容小觑啊
6发120的话确实可以不带格斗弹了。
六枚确实是够猛了
ertert 发表于 2010-9-15 21:03

按臭鼬的说法F-35要对弹舱做细微的修改(不会对外部轮廓有影响)

导弹应该是现成的AIM-120C/D型。
6枚AIM-120D,足够给力了~
raptor82 发表于 2010-9-15 22:25
上面图表里面写的“+D”,不知如何理解。
一些小白进来要犯晕了。

上面图表里面写的“+D”,不知如何理解。
ertert 发表于 2010-9-15 23:01


有可能是这份2008年 F-35 Norwegian Executive Summary  PDF的笔误

我想应该是AIM-120D+吧
上面图表里面写的“+D”,不知如何理解。
ertert 发表于 2010-9-15 23:01


有可能是这份2008年 F-35 Norwegian Executive Summary  PDF的笔误

我想应该是AIM-120D+吧
六枚确实是够猛了
就因为陆战队那帮混蛋才导致F35变成这穷德行,竟然还嚷嚷
raptor82 发表于 2010-9-15 23:27
那是不是可以理解成D型的改型。
而C型不可以。
ertert 发表于 2010-9-16 08:38


   

D+有可能是构想中的那种双推力发动机的D型.

D型和C型在外观上没有什么变化


2016~2017年的时候C型应该已经买不到了.
云深 发表于 2010-9-16 07:34


    项目主管可是他们的人哟:D
6枚中巨蛋?

难道真的不善格斗??
装6枚中蛋,感觉超脱了打杂的角色啊{:yi:}
嗖嗖嗖,射完六枚中距蛋就掉头走人。
木超巡,肥鸟掉头走人滴速度不够快:D
而且射后不管不是说真的就都是射后不管,中段最好还是要有数据更新。接战距离远点的话,你射后不管就打鸟去吧

从目前演习中4代机对战F-22的描述看,除去低可探测性能,F-22超群的高速性能也是实现‘选择是否接战,何时何地以何种方式接战’的关键,这个F-35比不了


给LZ补充一个

参议院抛弃F35后备发动机计划,F136的棺材板上又钉进了一颗钉子
众议院就从了吧,白宫+参议院你们怕是耗不过的

F-35 engine battle nearing conclusion

The ongoing F-35 Alternate Engine Programme battle with US Congress is nearing a conclusion.

Gary Parsons - 15-Sep-2010

Lockheed Martin image

September 15: The ongoing F-35 Alternate Engine Programme battle with US Congress is nearing a conclusion as the Senate Appropriations Committee removed all funding for the F136 General Electric/Rolls-Royce powerplant from the draft 2011 Department of Defense Appropriations Bill.

This just leaves the House of Representatives supporting the F136, but with both the Senate and White House set in ditching the alternative to the Pratt & Whitney F135 it leaves the GE/Rolls-Royce team in a vulnerable position.

The next step will be the House and Senate to agree the final bill before it is presented to the White House with enactment due on October 1.

http://www.key.aero/view_news.as ... hisSection=military

给LZ补充一个

参议院抛弃F35后备发动机计划,F136的棺材板上又钉进了一颗钉子
众议院就从了吧,白宫+参议院你们怕是耗不过的

F-35 engine battle nearing conclusion

The ongoing F-35 Alternate Engine Programme battle with US Congress is nearing a conclusion.

Gary Parsons - 15-Sep-2010

Lockheed Martin image

September 15: The ongoing F-35 Alternate Engine Programme battle with US Congress is nearing a conclusion as the Senate Appropriations Committee removed all funding for the F136 General Electric/Rolls-Royce powerplant from the draft 2011 Department of Defense Appropriations Bill.

This just leaves the House of Representatives supporting the F136, but with both the Senate and White House set in ditching the alternative to the Pratt & Whitney F135 it leaves the GE/Rolls-Royce team in a vulnerable position.

The next step will be the House and Senate to agree the final bill before it is presented to the White House with enactment due on October 1.

http://www.key.aero/view_news.as ... hisSection=military
F35最终还是不能内置AIM-9X吗?能不能把内侧舱门上的AIM-120D放弃换一枚AIM-9X呢?
死者代言人 发表于 2010-9-16 19:45


有AIM-132
死者代言人 发表于 2010-9-16 19:45


   
可以的,

AIM-9X Block 2可以射后锁定。计划在F-35 Block4/5批次就可以运用了。


但是不知道可不可以形成2枚9X+4枚120的构型。
难以理解
不带格斗蛋是不是始终不太好呢...还是间接证明肥球的狗斗能力不尽人意?
LantianYY 发表于 2010-9-16 22:41
强调高速远程又没有弹翼没有推力矢量的ASRAAM是不是近距离部分性能比较杯具?

强调高速远程又没有弹翼没有推力矢量的ASRAAM是不是近距离部分性能比较杯具?
死者代言人 发表于 2010-9-17 12:18



    AIM-132有推力矢量的。用的燃气舵,不是R-73那样的扰流板罢了。
强调高速远程又没有弹翼没有推力矢量的ASRAAM是不是近距离部分性能比较杯具?
死者代言人 发表于 2010-9-17 12:18



    AIM-132有推力矢量的。用的燃气舵,不是R-73那样的扰流板罢了。
ericcui1 发表于 2010-9-17 12:22


没有吧.

ASRAAM没有任何矢量推力的装置,完全就是硬来的.
回复 32# raptor82


    这样啊,不少说有的……:L,不过貌似确实有50G+的过载能力……

回复  raptor82


    这样啊,不少说有的……,不过貌似确实有50G+的过载能力……
ericcui1 发表于 2010-9-17 12:33



ASRAAM是否上TVC的问题是德国最后退出这个项目的主要原因之一.

德国是坚持要TVC的,最后自己组团去搞IRIS-T


而英国认为TVC增重和推力损失,光靠尾舵完全也能有足够的机动性,
他们追求的是动力射程和速度.



90年代中期 ASRAAM曾经有P3I计划改装TVC来满足美国对近距弹的需求,当然美国最后还是自己去弄了新的9X.
回复  raptor82


    这样啊,不少说有的……,不过貌似确实有50G+的过载能力……
ericcui1 发表于 2010-9-17 12:33



ASRAAM是否上TVC的问题是德国最后退出这个项目的主要原因之一.

德国是坚持要TVC的,最后自己组团去搞IRIS-T


而英国认为TVC增重和推力损失,光靠尾舵完全也能有足够的机动性,
他们追求的是动力射程和速度.



90年代中期 ASRAAM曾经有P3I计划改装TVC来满足美国对近距弹的需求,当然美国最后还是自己去弄了新的9X.


http://www.flightglobal.com/arti ... eteor-for-f-35.html

MBDA 展示了适合F-35内置的流星BVRAAM的新型号




和AIM-120C型一样,把弹翼进行了切尖处理。


以目前的F-35弹舱构型可内置4枚。


虽然还没有客户明确选择这种内置型Meteor,但是MBDA还是准备把这项能力整合进F-35block4/5批次。

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F-35虽然不是最强的空战战斗机

却集中了欧美最强的空战战斗机技术。

真是羡煞人也。

http://www.flightglobal.com/arti ... eteor-for-f-35.html

MBDA 展示了适合F-35内置的流星BVRAAM的新型号




和AIM-120C型一样,把弹翼进行了切尖处理。


以目前的F-35弹舱构型可内置4枚。


虽然还没有客户明确选择这种内置型Meteor,但是MBDA还是准备把这项能力整合进F-35block4/5批次。

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

F-35虽然不是最强的空战战斗机

却集中了欧美最强的空战战斗机技术。

真是羡煞人也。
raptor82 发表于 2010-9-17 22:26
现在ASRAAM的整合是什么情况?
RAF操作的时候,ASRAAM是会整合进弹仓?还是机翼下悬挂?
千锻青松 发表于 2010-9-17 22:48


   

原来的构想是内置4枚,
现在改为2枚内置+2枚外挂


ASRAAM应该是英国和澳大利亚的F-35的标准格斗导弹。
回复 35# raptor82


    我擦,这个牛逼了
回复 37# raptor82


    为了外挂的事情似乎美国还和英国扯过皮??
raptor82 发表于 2010-9-16 23:16

如果球电可以超巡,没准确实用不到红外弹了。