看来土星的117S进展的还算顺利？

呵呵，哥们，你太狠了吧。  

俺从上面转载，还得翻一下是吧，用google翻译阿。 天天弄俄文，搞死人的:D






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现在有技术问题的，不是117S，  这个是为SU-35BM准备滴。


是PAK-FA的那个...................估计还得用117S顶上去了.

看看毛子的爆发力了。还有一个多月..........

呵呵，哥们，你太狠了吧。  

俺从上面转载，还得翻一下是吧，用google翻译阿。 天天弄俄文，搞死人的:D






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现在有技术问题的，不是117S，  这个是为SU-35BM准备滴。


是PAK-FA的那个...................估计还得用117S顶上去了.

看看毛子的爆发力了。还有一个多月..........

Ufa Engine Industrial Association will deliver about 100 aircraft engines for the Su-35 Air Force Russia

  
MOSCOW, October 9. (ITAR-TASS). JSC "Ufa Engine Industrial Association" (UMPO) entered into a contract with "Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aircraft Production Association" (Knapp) to supply engines AL-41F-1S for the latest multi-role fighters Su-35C, the report said OPK Oboronprom, comprising UMPO.

These engines are designed for installation on the aircraft SU-35C, supplied by Russia's air force. Until 2015 UMPO manufacture 96 such engines, with the first batch will be shipped in 2010

For the first time in Russia's military aircraft in Su-35C received engines with thrust vector control. To date, rotating jet, which provides this feature are only installed on engines that are supplied for export.

AL-41F-1C is an aircraft turbofan engines with thrust vector control 4 + + generation. It is being developed in cooperation UMPO and Saturn on the order of the OKB Sukhoi.

Currently UMPO begun to assemble the final layout engine in development works.

Earlier it was reported that in August, during the MAKS-2009, the Defense Ministry signed contracts with OAO Sukhoi Company for the supply of 48 Su-35C, 12 Su-27SM and 4 Su-30m2.

The total value of contracts exceeds 80 billion rubles. Deliveries must be implemented before 2015

99m怎么样了
早知道TG就直接买117s了

friend20942 发表于 2009-10-10 12:43

AL-31FM3-2 貌似上试验台了.........最近没听到报道进展了...........

按pu大的说法，117s想买也能买
关键看毛子的pak-fa

台湾的老杨提供了一些预估：

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為因應MAKS2009期間訂購的48架Su-35S，目前UMPO與KnAAPO簽約，提供96具發動機。以往除了極少數最原始的資料外，都稱這款發動機為117S(計畫代號)，而不是正式代號。線在要量產了所以就用上了正式代號AL-41F-1S。

俄軍版的推力應該至少有15000kg。這個在2006~2007年NPO-Saturn的總設計師有提到。至於2007年時就已經在改15000kg的版本。

由於已經過了2年，加上PAK-FA也快試飛了，所以15500~16000kg的版本應該也差不多了，不能確定會不會給Su-35S用

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估计是在15500-160000kg版本上遇到了一些技术问题...........?

台湾的老杨提供了一些预估：

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為因應MAKS2009期間訂購的48架Su-35S，目前UMPO與KnAAPO簽約，提供96具發動機。以往除了極少數最原始的資料外，都稱這款發動機為117S(計畫代號)，而不是正式代號。線在要量產了所以就用上了正式代號AL-41F-1S。

俄軍版的推力應該至少有15000kg。這個在2006~2007年NPO-Saturn的總設計師有提到。至於2007年時就已經在改15000kg的版本。

由於已經過了2年，加上PAK-FA也快試飛了，所以15500~16000kg的版本應該也差不多了，不能確定會不會給Su-35S用

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估计是在15500-160000kg版本上遇到了一些技术问题...........?

不是遇到问题， 是推力增那么多，在时间上，2年根本什么都出不来。

按pu大的说法，117s想买也能买
关键看毛子的pak-fa

friend20942 发表于 2009-10-10 12:43

两个都还没定型呢...

所谓的99M也只是中国的叫法，这个是注定要死失败的项目，已经失去了装机对象

Су-34凭啥“被屏蔽”;P
Изделие 99М——TB真能耐，还给毛子装备起名了！

所谓的99M也只是中国的叫法，这个是注定要死失败的项目，已经失去了装机对象
用户名被屏蔽 发表于 2009-10-13 14:40

Су-34凭啥“被屏蔽”;P
Изделие 99М——TB真能耐，还给毛子装备起名了！

发展的AL31F M1已经到头了，M2M3只是技术测试而已，不是为任何国家研制的型号机。

看来ＣＹ－３４用的是Ｍ１哎．．．．．．ＦＡＤＥＣ


AL-31FM3-1，２００７测试．．．．．．．．．．．没有Ｍ３－２的消息．．．．．．

Salyut built the AL-31FN for the Chinese J-10 ((F-10)) fighter.  The AL-31FM1 rated at 13.5 tonnes of thrust was for upgraded Russian Su-27 fighters.  Thrust increases both on the 117 and this latter engine were obtained by increasing the size of the fan inlet from 905 to 924 millimeters.  The engine also had a FADEC digital control system and the AL-31FM1 was certified and entered the inventory as the AL-31F series 42 in December 2006. It is to go onto Su-27SM, Su-30, Su-33 and Su-34.

The AL-31FM2 had improved turbine geometry and rotating nozzle developed by Klimov using KLIVT ((Klimov Vectored Thrust)) technology.  Tests began the autumn of 2006 and it had 14.2 tonnes of thrust. Bench tests of the AL-31FM3-1 with 14.5 tonnes nominal thrust began in 2007.  It has “dual wall” technology in the combustion chamber which permits raising gas temperatures by 150 degrees.  The low pressure compressor was decreased to three stages, while pressure grew from 3.6 to 4.2.  First stage blades do not have shroud rings and the blades themselves are of wide chord design.  The AL-31FM3-1 achieved 15.3 tonnes of thrust in bench tests.

A follow-on is the AL-31FM3-2 which will have a new high pressure compressor which will have six stages instead of nine on the AL-31F.  Nominal thrust is to be 15 tonnes

看来ＣＹ－３４用的是Ｍ１哎．．．．．．ＦＡＤＥＣ


AL-31FM3-1，２００７测试．．．．．．．．．．．没有Ｍ３－２的消息．．．．．．

Salyut built the AL-31FN for the Chinese J-10 ((F-10)) fighter.  The AL-31FM1 rated at 13.5 tonnes of thrust was for upgraded Russian Su-27 fighters.  Thrust increases both on the 117 and this latter engine were obtained by increasing the size of the fan inlet from 905 to 924 millimeters.  The engine also had a FADEC digital control system and the AL-31FM1 was certified and entered the inventory as the AL-31F series 42 in December 2006. It is to go onto Su-27SM, Su-30, Su-33 and Su-34.

The AL-31FM2 had improved turbine geometry and rotating nozzle developed by Klimov using KLIVT ((Klimov Vectored Thrust)) technology.  Tests began the autumn of 2006 and it had 14.2 tonnes of thrust. Bench tests of the AL-31FM3-1 with 14.5 tonnes nominal thrust began in 2007.  It has “dual wall” technology in the combustion chamber which permits raising gas temperatures by 150 degrees.  The low pressure compressor was decreased to three stages, while pressure grew from 3.6 to 4.2.  First stage blades do not have shroud rings and the blades themselves are of wide chord design.  The AL-31FM3-1 achieved 15.3 tonnes of thrust in bench tests.

A follow-on is the AL-31FM3-2 which will have a new high pressure compressor which will have six stages instead of nine on the AL-31F.  Nominal thrust is to be 15 tonnes

我只关心10B用啥

用户名被屏蔽 发表于 2009-10-13 15:03
那萨留特为此投入的几十亿美金也打水漂了？最终用谁的都还没定下来，就来下结论了，另外，毛5用117S也只是在试飞阶段。为毛5搭配的正中10一级的发动机现在还和TB一样。。

benshan 发表于 2009-10-13 19:22
你不该火星的，117S已经获得96台订单，且正式命名为AL41F-S

第五代的没定下来...........从145KN-165KN遇到了一些技术困难...........

117s 是成熟的了.......

用户名被屏蔽 发表于 2009-10-13 19:27
117S是用来做什么的？看来你还是没搞懂。

Su-35BM

48架

benshan 发表于 2009-10-13 22:43
奥，那你给俺科普一下呗，难道不是给SU35BM用的:D 。。

目前看来117S比99m进展要快
不知道毛子为啥要搞两个差不多水平的东西，有点浪费资源了
总不成99m都是TG出钱

用户名被屏蔽 发表于 2009-10-13 23:19
是给35BM用的啊，我又没说不是，我的意思是作为为毛子的下一代作战飞机初期而准备的两款发动机，在最终结果还没出来之前，为什么就会有人认为其中的一款已经结束了呢？

16# benshan


AL31F- M1和117S  谁比较好，能批生产

都批产了............


M1 已经批产一段时间了......推力13.5KN..........目前已经装备在毛子老飞机的改进型上面了.....

117S是14.5KN的........貌似08年定的型....现在已经批生产....现在装备35BM

16# benshan


AL31F- M1和117S  谁比较好，能批生产
追风逐日 发表于 2009-11-1 09:29

都批产了............


M1 已经批产一段时间了......推力13.5KN..........目前已经装备在毛子老飞机的改进型上面了.....

117S是14.5KN的........貌似08年定的型....现在已经批生产....现在装备35BM

据说。。。。。。。。