1842年的墨西哥铁甲舰?

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The Ironclads

The first ship of this dual threat, by name the "Guadeloupe", was being constructed from French Naval Plans in the British shipyard of Jonathan Laird in Birkenhead, England and was specifically designed to operate in the shallow waters of the Gulf.  She drew only 10 feet of water and was further designed to be fully dependent upon steam power for movement, and her weapons battery was as modern as her propulsion.  She was of 788 tons displacement, 183 feet in length, and had the means within her propulsion system to develop a full 180 HP.1 She had two 32 pdr. long guns and two 68 pdr swivel Paixhan's pivots--"the guns with the explosive shells as large as good-size pumpkins."2 Ultimately this was armament that would render all other weapons of the period obsolete. "Guadeloupe" was the first iron steam warship in the world to be launched and when she was launched, the largest iron vessel ever built.3 A further feature that was unusual for the period was her construction in the use of watertight compartmentation throughout.4 Although not accepted into the Royal Navy, the British Admiralty maintained a careful surveillance of this vessel and her performance throughout her seafaring career and added many of her particular features to later vessels built for seaborne warfare.

The second vessel of discussion was the "Montezuma."  She was a wooden hulled iron-clad and even larger than the "Guadeloupe."  She displaced 1164 tons, extended in length to 203 feet, and possessed a surprising 280 HP in her engines.  Her extensive armament consisted of two 68 pdr swivel and six 42 pdr long Paixhans guns.5 She was built in London in the shipyards of Greens and Wigrams.  She was a heavy-timbered wooden vessel constructed along what were then ultra-modern lines.6 With such heavy guns, and under able management, these two steamers alone were (on paper) far more than a match for the Texan Fleet which did not mount a gun heavier than several long 24 pdrs.The Ironclads

The first ship of this dual threat, by name the "Guadeloupe", was being constructed from French Naval Plans in the British shipyard of Jonathan Laird in Birkenhead, England and was specifically designed to operate in the shallow waters of the Gulf.  She drew only 10 feet of water and was further designed to be fully dependent upon steam power for movement, and her weapons battery was as modern as her propulsion.  She was of 788 tons displacement, 183 feet in length, and had the means within her propulsion system to develop a full 180 HP.1 She had two 32 pdr. long guns and two 68 pdr swivel Paixhan's pivots--"the guns with the explosive shells as large as good-size pumpkins."2 Ultimately this was armament that would render all other weapons of the period obsolete. "Guadeloupe" was the first iron steam warship in the world to be launched and when she was launched, the largest iron vessel ever built.3 A further feature that was unusual for the period was her construction in the use of watertight compartmentation throughout.4 Although not accepted into the Royal Navy, the British Admiralty maintained a careful surveillance of this vessel and her performance throughout her seafaring career and added many of her particular features to later vessels built for seaborne warfare.

The second vessel of discussion was the "Montezuma."  She was a wooden hulled iron-clad and even larger than the "Guadeloupe."  She displaced 1164 tons, extended in length to 203 feet, and possessed a surprising 280 HP in her engines.  Her extensive armament consisted of two 68 pdr swivel and six 42 pdr long Paixhans guns.5 She was built in London in the shipyards of Greens and Wigrams.  She was a heavy-timbered wooden vessel constructed along what were then ultra-modern lines.6 With such heavy guns, and under able management, these two steamers alone were (on paper) far more than a match for the Texan Fleet which did not mount a gun heavier than several long 24 pdrs.
瓜德卢普和蒙特祖马,这两条船的名字还真是……


太有意思了,正好昨天看《steam steel and shellfire》这本书看到这一段,猫猫摘录的这段原文作者的观点似乎有点问题,根据steam一书的说法,第一艘铁制蒸汽军舰是第一次鸦片战争时“光临”过中国的东印度公司军舰Nemesis号。

而瓜德鲁普号只是一艘铁制明轮炮舰,没有装甲,而且laird建造她的最初目的是打算让皇家海军买下。
下面是原书配的瓜德鲁普号的插图

太有意思了,正好昨天看《steam steel and shellfire》这本书看到这一段,猫猫摘录的这段原文作者的观点似乎有点问题,根据steam一书的说法,第一艘铁制蒸汽军舰是第一次鸦片战争时“光临”过中国的东印度公司军舰Nemesis号。

而瓜德鲁普号只是一艘铁制明轮炮舰,没有装甲,而且laird建造她的最初目的是打算让皇家海军买下。
下面是原书配的瓜德鲁普号的插图
沙发
关键还是对词语意义的理解问题,有点钻牛角尖的味道。

The Ironclads 我以为应当指以铁质防护物提供物理保护的作战机械,而非拆开来解释为“铁壳的”。
雪千寻 发表于 2009-5-9 12:13
阿兹特克帝国皇帝……
所以说啊……阿兹特克可是被白人给灭掉的,墨西哥则又是白人建立的……
旅顺口 发表于 2009-5-10 13:20
所以问题在于,这两条船上的金属部分到底是否本身具有装甲的性质……
雪千寻 发表于 2009-5-10 14:07
殖民者和他们的后代没都%#@死光也算上天有好生之德了……


瓜德鲁普号的铁板被指为船壳,虽然不知道具体的厚度,但似乎对当时的32磅炮和68磅Paixhan炮都没有抵御能力。

看英法第一代铁甲舰,似乎抵御50年代火炮的最低厚度必须达到4英寸,不知40年代初的火炮有多大威力。

瓜德鲁普号的铁板被指为船壳,虽然不知道具体的厚度,但似乎对当时的32磅炮和68磅Paixhan炮都没有抵御能力。

看英法第一代铁甲舰,似乎抵御50年代火炮的最低厚度必须达到4英寸,不知40年代初的火炮有多大威力。