超级军网国防部：军改师有关报道纯属臆测
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资料图：解放军陆军部队
原标题：陆军集团军缩编成师?国防部：有关报道纯属臆测
新京报快讯(记者贾世煜)今日，国防部新闻发言人吴谦在例行记者会上对网上流传的“陆军18个集团军将缩编成师”消息回应称，有关报道纯属臆测，与事实不符。
记者注意到，近日，有港媒报道称，消息人士表示，现有的18个集团军中的一部分将被改编成25至30个师。目前每个集团军的规模从3万人到10万人不等。
军改后，陆军18个集团军的去向引人关注。今年5月，新京报记者梳理发现，随着官方媒体不断披露消息，陆军18个集团军的归属已全部明确。其中，下辖集团军最多的为中部战区，共辖5个集团军。下辖集团军数量位居其次的是北部战区，共辖4个集团军。
具体为：原南京军区第1、12、31集团军转隶东部战区陆军;原成都军区第14集团军和原广州军区第41、42集团军转隶南部战区;原成都军区第13集团军和原兰州军区第21、47集团军转隶西部战区;原沈阳军区第16、39、40集团军和原济南军区第26集团军转隶北部战区陆军;原济南军区第20、54集团军和原北京军区第27、38、65集团军转隶中部战区陆军。
国务院新闻办2013年发布的《中国武装力量的多样化运用》白皮书显示，陆军机动作战部队包括18个集团军和部分独立合成作战师(旅)，现有85万人。集团军由师、旅编成，分别隶属于7个军区。沈阳军区下辖第16、39、40集团军，北京军区下辖第27、38、65集团军，兰州军区下辖第21、47集团军，济南军区下辖第20、26、54集团军，南京军区下辖第1、12、31集团军，广州军区下辖第41、42集团军，成都军区下辖第13、14集团军。
随着军改推进，解放军调整划设东部战区、南部战区、西部战区、北部战区、中部战区，原沈阳军区、北京军区、兰州军区、济南军区、南京军区、广州军区、成都军区番号撤销。资料图：解放军陆军部队
原标题：陆军集团军缩编成师?国防部：有关报道纯属臆测
新京报快讯(记者贾世煜)今日，国防部新闻发言人吴谦在例行记者会上对网上流传的“陆军18个集团军将缩编成师”消息回应称，有关报道纯属臆测，与事实不符。
记者注意到，近日，有港媒报道称，消息人士表示，现有的18个集团军中的一部分将被改编成25至30个师。目前每个集团军的规模从3万人到10万人不等。
军改后，陆军18个集团军的去向引人关注。今年5月，新京报记者梳理发现，随着官方媒体不断披露消息，陆军18个集团军的归属已全部明确。其中，下辖集团军最多的为中部战区，共辖5个集团军。下辖集团军数量位居其次的是北部战区，共辖4个集团军。
具体为：原南京军区第1、12、31集团军转隶东部战区陆军;原成都军区第14集团军和原广州军区第41、42集团军转隶南部战区;原成都军区第13集团军和原兰州军区第21、47集团军转隶西部战区;原沈阳军区第16、39、40集团军和原济南军区第26集团军转隶北部战区陆军;原济南军区第20、54集团军和原北京军区第27、38、65集团军转隶中部战区陆军。
国务院新闻办2013年发布的《中国武装力量的多样化运用》白皮书显示，陆军机动作战部队包括18个集团军和部分独立合成作战师(旅)，现有85万人。集团军由师、旅编成，分别隶属于7个军区。沈阳军区下辖第16、39、40集团军，北京军区下辖第27、38、65集团军，兰州军区下辖第21、47集团军，济南军区下辖第20、26、54集团军，南京军区下辖第1、12、31集团军，广州军区下辖第41、42集团军，成都军区下辖第13、14集团军。
随着军改推进，解放军调整划设东部战区、南部战区、西部战区、北部战区、中部战区，原沈阳军区、北京军区、兰州军区、济南军区、南京军区、广州军区、成都军区番号撤销。
难怪新闻都404了 ~这我就放心了
其实师和军只是一个名字问题，反正底下都是旅，不关乎战斗力，正如055是该叫驱逐舰还是叫巡洋舰一样，关键是如何运用，而非名字怎么叫
军部改成指挥所虚化，战区直管师旅
这我就放心了
同感，个人认为兔子周边危机四伏，陆军根本不够，虽然海军需扩编，但也不能裁陆军呀
同感，个人认为兔子周边危机四伏，陆军根本不够，虽然海军需扩编，但也不能裁陆军呀
同感，个人认为兔子周边危机四伏，陆军根本不够，虽然海军需扩编，但也不能裁陆军呀
是呀！这么大国土面积！这么长边界还要算上台湾，85万陆军（含边防部队）本来就不多！再减可就真捉襟见肘……
是呀！这么大国土面积！这么长边界还要算上台湾，85万陆军（含边防部队）本来就不多！再减可就真捉襟见肘……
是呀！这么大国土面积！这么长边界还要算上台湾，85万陆军（含边防部队）本来就不多！再减可就真捉襟见肘 ...
85万不含边防
85万不含边防
最近这些小道消息从何而来？目的是什么?_?
不是改，是撤，所以发言人说的没有错
同感，个人认为兔子周边危机四伏，陆军根本不够，虽然海军需扩编，但也不能裁陆军呀
不是数量不够，是战斗力不能适应现代信息化战争，所以要改。
不是数量不够，是战斗力不能适应现代信息化战争，所以要改。
jediknight 发表于 2016-8-25 22:21
85万不含边防
边防不都是公安和武警么？？？
85万不含边防
边防不都是公安和武警么？？？
边防不都是公安和武警么？？？
85万说的是陆军机动部队，不含若干边防团丶独立旅团
85万说的是陆军机动部队，不含若干边防团丶独立旅团
是呀！这么大国土面积！这么长边界还要算上台湾，85万陆军（含边防部队）本来就不多！再减可就真捉襟见肘 ...
85万是纯机动部队
85万是纯机动部队
武警还有66万嘛
人数还是偏多
人数还是偏多
第五舰队 发表于 2016-8-26 01:28
武警还有66万嘛
人数还是偏多
武警打不了仗，你别和陆军扯在一起
多不多不看人数，得看够不够用，人口和经济能不能支撑
韩国六十万军队，为什么不提高现代化水平搞精兵？那必须是数量对他们来说比质量重要，不要告诉我韩国拿不出维持现代化陆军的钱，更不要告诉我韩国人脑残
第五舰队 发表于 2016-8-26 01:28
武警还有66万嘛
人数还是偏多
武警打不了仗，你别和陆军扯在一起
多不多不看人数，得看够不够用，人口和经济能不能支撑
韩国六十万军队，为什么不提高现代化水平搞精兵？那必须是数量对他们来说比质量重要，不要告诉我韩国拿不出维持现代化陆军的钱，更不要告诉我韩国人脑残
武警打不了仗，你别和陆军扯在一起
多不多不看人数，得看够不够用，人口和经济能不能支撑
真打仗了，加练陆军科目再上呗，总比征召平民或是脱离军营好多年的退役士兵来得快吧
多不多不看人数，得看够不够用，人口和经济能不能支撑
真打仗了，加练陆军科目再上呗，总比征召平民或是脱离军营好多年的退役士兵来得快吧
是呀！这么大国土面积！这么长边界还要算上台湾，85万陆军（含边防部队）本来就不多！再减可就真捉襟见肘 ...
85万不含边防部队
85万不含边防部队
隐身战机 发表于 2016-8-25 23:04
边防不都是公安和武警么？？？
100多个边防团和50多个海防团，可都是PLA。
边防不都是公安和武警么？？？
100多个边防团和50多个海防团，可都是PLA。
真打仗了，加练陆军科目再上呗，总比征召平民或是脱离军营好多年的退役士兵来得快吧
那和目前的常备军相比又如何？
那和目前的常备军相比又如何？
那和目前的常备军相比又如何？
当然不如常备陆军了，是说万一战争规模扩大到85万野战军都不够用了呢。。。。
当然不如常备陆军了，是说万一战争规模扩大到85万野战军都不够用了呢。。。。
香港《南华早报》8月24日的报道
China to overhaul land troops in bid to transform world's biggest army into nimble fighting force: sources
Strong resistance expected as old Soviet-model of organising army corps to be replaced with smaller-sized divisions, say sources.
PUBLISHED: Wednesday, 24 August, 2016, 9:25am
UPDATED: Thursday, 25 August, 2016, 11:38am
China will reorganise more than half of its 1.55 million land force troops, phasing out its army corps as it tries to mould a more nimble fighting force, sources familiar with the military said, adding that strong internal resistance to the change was expected.
Some of the existing 18 Army Corps will be turned into 25 to 30 divisions, they told the South China Morning Post. The size of a corp varies from 30,000 to 100,000 soldiers.
The approach was inherited from the Soviet Union, but it's a bulky model no longer suited to the demands of modern warfare, which prizes modularity, according to a retired senior colonel based in Beijing.
"This is a main trend in modern warfare. Even the Russian army has tried to learn from the American army by reducing the size of their troops, making land forces become more nimble and quick-response," the veteran said.
"The style of USA 101 Airborne Division is the best example that the [People's Liberation Army's] land forces will study, especially its quick deployment, equipment and logistic supplies, as well as other supporting networks, which reflect the success of its nimble and efficient system."
A defence white paper that came to light last year highlighted the importance of building small, multifunctional and modular units that could take on different purposes for joint operations.
The overhaul comes amid a broader shift that the PLA embarked on early this year.
Under the direction of President Xi Jinping, who also heads the decision-making Central Military Commission, the four general headquarters were dissolved, before setting up 15 new organisations including the Joint Staff Department. The seven military commands were reshaped into five theatre commands. Some 300,000 troops will also be cut by 2017.
Under the new arrangement, divisions will receive instructions from the relevant theatre command, which reports directly to the Joint Staff Department which is now part of the Central Military Commission, before giving orders to frontline troops.
The shift away from corps was the focus of Xi's visit to the headquarters of the land force in Beijing a few days before the anniversary of the founding of the PLA on August 1, a source close to the military said.
The source said Xi called on leaders of the land force to speed up reforms in administration and combat capability.
Currently the biggest land force in the world, the army comprises 1.55 million soldiers, of which 850,000 are mobile troops, most of whom are under the army corps, while the rest are regional garrison troops.
A source said it was only a matter of time for the army corps units to be either downsized or scrapped, although the change would inevitably encounter strong opposition from the ground force.
The transition to divisions is likely to result in the dismissal of tens of thousands of military personnel. and, hence, trigger huge resistance from the troops affected.
Xi appears to be tightening his grip on military power by letting go of some generals while promoting others who have his trust, as he tries to streamline the force and root out corruption within the ranks.
The past two years have seen the downfall of several top brass, including former Central Military Commission vice-chairmen Guo Boxiong and Xu Caihou.
Xi wasted no time spelling out his expectations for the army when he inspected the Guangzhou Military Command in early December 2012, less than a month after becoming chair of the commission, saying: "When you are summoned, you must come at once; when you come, make sure you can fight, and when you fight, be certain to win."
To the surprise of many, Xi announced that the PLA would cut troop levels by 300,000, in a speech right after a massive military parade commemorating the 70th anniversary of the victory over the Japanese on September 3 last year. Rather than the air force and the navy, ground forces became the target for downsizing.
The 18 corps are classified into either category A or category B. The first are better equipped and have more manpower and resources. They include the 1st, 13th, 21st, 27th, 38th, 39th and 54th Army Corps, while the rest of the corps belong to category B.
Under the overhaul earlier this year, the seven military commands were replaced by five strategic zones - Central, North, South, East and West. State media revealed the distribution of the corps among the theatre commands later on.
The Central Theatre Command, which is responsible for the safety of Beijing and a few provinces in its vicinity, boasts the largest number of corps - the 20th, 27th, 38th, 54th and 65th Combined Corps.
Second is the North Theatre Command, which commands four - the 16th, 26th, 39th and 40th Combined Corps.
The rest of the five theatre commands each have three corps, with the 1st, 12th and 31st belong to the East, the 14th, 41st and 42nd to the South, and the 13th, 21st and 47th to the West.
http://www.scmp.com/news/China/diplomacy-defence/article/2008043/China-phase-out-PLA-Army-Corps-sources-say
This article appeared in the South China Morning Post print edition as: faster, nimbler and leaner look for land forces
China to overhaul land troops in bid to transform world's biggest army into nimble fighting force: sources
Strong resistance expected as old Soviet-model of organising army corps to be replaced with smaller-sized divisions, say sources.
PUBLISHED: Wednesday, 24 August, 2016, 9:25am
UPDATED: Thursday, 25 August, 2016, 11:38am
China will reorganise more than half of its 1.55 million land force troops, phasing out its army corps as it tries to mould a more nimble fighting force, sources familiar with the military said, adding that strong internal resistance to the change was expected.
Some of the existing 18 Army Corps will be turned into 25 to 30 divisions, they told the South China Morning Post. The size of a corp varies from 30,000 to 100,000 soldiers.
The approach was inherited from the Soviet Union, but it's a bulky model no longer suited to the demands of modern warfare, which prizes modularity, according to a retired senior colonel based in Beijing.
"This is a main trend in modern warfare. Even the Russian army has tried to learn from the American army by reducing the size of their troops, making land forces become more nimble and quick-response," the veteran said.
"The style of USA 101 Airborne Division is the best example that the [People's Liberation Army's] land forces will study, especially its quick deployment, equipment and logistic supplies, as well as other supporting networks, which reflect the success of its nimble and efficient system."
A defence white paper that came to light last year highlighted the importance of building small, multifunctional and modular units that could take on different purposes for joint operations.
The overhaul comes amid a broader shift that the PLA embarked on early this year.
Under the direction of President Xi Jinping, who also heads the decision-making Central Military Commission, the four general headquarters were dissolved, before setting up 15 new organisations including the Joint Staff Department. The seven military commands were reshaped into five theatre commands. Some 300,000 troops will also be cut by 2017.
Under the new arrangement, divisions will receive instructions from the relevant theatre command, which reports directly to the Joint Staff Department which is now part of the Central Military Commission, before giving orders to frontline troops.
The shift away from corps was the focus of Xi's visit to the headquarters of the land force in Beijing a few days before the anniversary of the founding of the PLA on August 1, a source close to the military said.
The source said Xi called on leaders of the land force to speed up reforms in administration and combat capability.
Currently the biggest land force in the world, the army comprises 1.55 million soldiers, of which 850,000 are mobile troops, most of whom are under the army corps, while the rest are regional garrison troops.
A source said it was only a matter of time for the army corps units to be either downsized or scrapped, although the change would inevitably encounter strong opposition from the ground force.
The transition to divisions is likely to result in the dismissal of tens of thousands of military personnel. and, hence, trigger huge resistance from the troops affected.
Xi appears to be tightening his grip on military power by letting go of some generals while promoting others who have his trust, as he tries to streamline the force and root out corruption within the ranks.
The past two years have seen the downfall of several top brass, including former Central Military Commission vice-chairmen Guo Boxiong and Xu Caihou.
Xi wasted no time spelling out his expectations for the army when he inspected the Guangzhou Military Command in early December 2012, less than a month after becoming chair of the commission, saying: "When you are summoned, you must come at once; when you come, make sure you can fight, and when you fight, be certain to win."
To the surprise of many, Xi announced that the PLA would cut troop levels by 300,000, in a speech right after a massive military parade commemorating the 70th anniversary of the victory over the Japanese on September 3 last year. Rather than the air force and the navy, ground forces became the target for downsizing.
The 18 corps are classified into either category A or category B. The first are better equipped and have more manpower and resources. They include the 1st, 13th, 21st, 27th, 38th, 39th and 54th Army Corps, while the rest of the corps belong to category B.
Under the overhaul earlier this year, the seven military commands were replaced by five strategic zones - Central, North, South, East and West. State media revealed the distribution of the corps among the theatre commands later on.
The Central Theatre Command, which is responsible for the safety of Beijing and a few provinces in its vicinity, boasts the largest number of corps - the 20th, 27th, 38th, 54th and 65th Combined Corps.
Second is the North Theatre Command, which commands four - the 16th, 26th, 39th and 40th Combined Corps.
The rest of the five theatre commands each have three corps, with the 1st, 12th and 31st belong to the East, the 14th, 41st and 42nd to the South, and the 13th, 21st and 47th to the West.
http://www.scmp.com/news/China/diplomacy-defence/article/2008043/China-phase-out-PLA-Army-Corps-sources-say
This article appeared in the South China Morning Post print edition as: faster, nimbler and leaner look for land forces
凤凰军事8月8日的报道
独家：解放军陆军或推军改师，再见了集团军！
2016/08/08 07:37 凤凰军事 金昊
（作者金昊简介：曾为新华社《世界军事》记者，现任凤凰网军事频道主编，《凤凰军机处》主持人、制片人）
http://imil.ifeng.com/49736950_0_1/news.shtml
解放军军改继续推进。在成立陆军部后，陆军或许再出大招，将集团军改编为师。如果这样，大家耳熟能详的一些解放军集团军番号，如38军、54军、27军，都将成为历史，取而代之的是中国人民解放军陆军第XX师。
军改以来，各种传言不断。关于集团军改师的消息，有其一定的合理性。比如，目前战区体制设立，陆军部建立并设有战区陆军，战区陆军和集团军之间存在一定问题。首先，战区陆军到底是军政系统，还是军令系统，目前尚不明晰。再者，战区陆军的副职是正军级，而按照解放军陆军的传统，战时上级副职将到下属部队开辟方向指挥部，战区陆军副司令员和集团军军长平级的话，很难指挥。
集团军改师的同时，陆军营一级的战斗力将大幅加强。我们知道，在军队的编制建设上，苏联军队和解放军重视连和团两级，而美军则重营一级。如果大家关心军事新闻，对“合成营”一词不会陌生，这是近年来有关解放军陆军演训报道中经常出现的新词。据说，“步兵旅将撤销旅属炮兵团，将炮兵融进合成营中，同时增加营一级的参谋数量，进一步减少指挥层级，使军委直接指挥到营、连，进一步提高陆军联合作战能力”。
大家也许没有注意到这样一个有意思的现象。目前，解放军陆军的18个集团军，每个军和每个军的编制都不一样，这也从一个方面说明了陆军继续改革的必要性。此次集团军改师，将进一步提高解放军陆军部队的合成化，提高陆军部队的战斗力，解放军陆军的基本战役军团也将从集团军变为师。有消息说，“八一节前习主席视察陆军总部，就是要把目前5大战区的18个集团军拆成25-30个师（新疆、西藏两个副大军区级暂时不动），拆出来的师，人员规模基本在1.6- 1.8万人左右。目前人员规模较小的军，基本上就是直接改，像20军、40军、12军等，直接改为20师、40师、12师。而人员规模比较大的集团军，估计会出现一拆二的情况，像16军、54军等。”
机械化步兵是陆军的主战兵种。改革后的机步旅将分为重型、中型和轻型三种，重型机步旅以履带式步战车为主，中型机步旅以6轮或8轮步战车为主，轻型机步旅以猛士突击车为主。
目前的解放军陆军，有三个集团军是重装集团军，人员、装备都高于其他集团军。此次改革后，解放军各师也存在规模上的区别，重装师下辖旅，普通师下辖团。
解放军陆军之前有过师改旅的改革，很多集团军的主战部队都是旅，关于解放军陆军的旅，我们听说过步兵旅、炮兵旅、防空旅、特种作战旅，而此次集团军改师的改革中，一种新型的旅级部队--支援旅可能横空出世，这种旅应该是融合了炮兵旅和防空旅的一种新部队。此外，直升机也将大规模在解放军陆军中得到配备，相信大量装备直升机的空中突击旅一定会出现在解放军陆军的作战序列中。当然，这还需要时间。
独家：解放军陆军或推军改师，再见了集团军！
2016/08/08 07:37 凤凰军事 金昊
（作者金昊简介：曾为新华社《世界军事》记者，现任凤凰网军事频道主编，《凤凰军机处》主持人、制片人）
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解放军军改继续推进。在成立陆军部后，陆军或许再出大招，将集团军改编为师。如果这样，大家耳熟能详的一些解放军集团军番号，如38军、54军、27军，都将成为历史，取而代之的是中国人民解放军陆军第XX师。
军改以来，各种传言不断。关于集团军改师的消息，有其一定的合理性。比如，目前战区体制设立，陆军部建立并设有战区陆军，战区陆军和集团军之间存在一定问题。首先，战区陆军到底是军政系统，还是军令系统，目前尚不明晰。再者，战区陆军的副职是正军级，而按照解放军陆军的传统，战时上级副职将到下属部队开辟方向指挥部，战区陆军副司令员和集团军军长平级的话，很难指挥。
集团军改师的同时，陆军营一级的战斗力将大幅加强。我们知道，在军队的编制建设上，苏联军队和解放军重视连和团两级，而美军则重营一级。如果大家关心军事新闻，对“合成营”一词不会陌生，这是近年来有关解放军陆军演训报道中经常出现的新词。据说，“步兵旅将撤销旅属炮兵团，将炮兵融进合成营中，同时增加营一级的参谋数量，进一步减少指挥层级，使军委直接指挥到营、连，进一步提高陆军联合作战能力”。
大家也许没有注意到这样一个有意思的现象。目前，解放军陆军的18个集团军，每个军和每个军的编制都不一样，这也从一个方面说明了陆军继续改革的必要性。此次集团军改师，将进一步提高解放军陆军部队的合成化，提高陆军部队的战斗力，解放军陆军的基本战役军团也将从集团军变为师。有消息说，“八一节前习主席视察陆军总部，就是要把目前5大战区的18个集团军拆成25-30个师（新疆、西藏两个副大军区级暂时不动），拆出来的师，人员规模基本在1.6- 1.8万人左右。目前人员规模较小的军，基本上就是直接改，像20军、40军、12军等，直接改为20师、40师、12师。而人员规模比较大的集团军，估计会出现一拆二的情况，像16军、54军等。”
机械化步兵是陆军的主战兵种。改革后的机步旅将分为重型、中型和轻型三种，重型机步旅以履带式步战车为主，中型机步旅以6轮或8轮步战车为主，轻型机步旅以猛士突击车为主。
目前的解放军陆军，有三个集团军是重装集团军，人员、装备都高于其他集团军。此次改革后，解放军各师也存在规模上的区别，重装师下辖旅，普通师下辖团。
解放军陆军之前有过师改旅的改革，很多集团军的主战部队都是旅，关于解放军陆军的旅，我们听说过步兵旅、炮兵旅、防空旅、特种作战旅，而此次集团军改师的改革中，一种新型的旅级部队--支援旅可能横空出世，这种旅应该是融合了炮兵旅和防空旅的一种新部队。此外，直升机也将大规模在解放军陆军中得到配备，相信大量装备直升机的空中突击旅一定会出现在解放军陆军的作战序列中。当然，这还需要时间。
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