f35在高威胁假想敌下完成SEAD和攻势制空任务

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7月21报导,美国的f35参加了一项军事演习,假想敌为具有接近或同等对战能力的对手,f35在此情况下完成了攻势制空作业还有对地的SEAD作业,值得一提的是f35用其机上的电子系统完成标定地面防空雷达,并且用其APG81雷达压制了地面防空雷达
美国空军表示F35的加入将使F22在A2/AD环境下专注于空战能力

原文出处
http://alert5.com/2015/07/21/16th-weapons-squadron-employed-the-f-35a-for-sead-and-offensive-counter-air-during-training-missions/

7月21报导,美国的f35参加了一项军事演习,假想敌为具有接近或同等对战能力的对手,f35在此情况下完成了攻势制空作业还有对地的SEAD作业,值得一提的是f35用其机上的电子系统完成标定地面防空雷达,并且用其APG81雷达压制了地面防空雷达
美国空军表示F35的加入将使F22在A2/AD环境下专注于空战能力

原文出处
http://alert5.com/2015/07/21/16th-weapons-squadron-employed-the-f-35a-for-sead-and-offensive-counter-air-during-training-missions/
F35也开始成熟起来了
F22以后不用再投炸弹了。
APG81 能压制地面雷达? 干扰我信,压制 我不信。
网络中心战,信息节点,巴拉巴拉
压制雷达??纳尼
欺负弱小可行
13128611786 发表于 2015-7-26 17:23
欺负弱小可行
看清楚说的
假想敌为具有接近或同等对战能力的对手

                  
1771964382 发表于 2015-7-26 17:44
看清楚说的
说说岂能当真
13128611786 发表于 2015-7-26 18:01
说说岂能当真
说了你不信,不说你又会说没说
1771964382 发表于 2015-7-26 18:04
说了你不信,不说你又会说没说

f35类似营销宣传又不是头一回
攻势制空应该就是把敌机消灭在地面上。
养猫专家 发表于 2015-7-26 18:57
攻势制空应该就是把敌机消灭在地面上。
把敌机消灭在地面上是21世纪攻势制空宣传版--
13128611786 发表于 2015-7-26 17:23
欺负弱小可行
The 16 WPS, F-35As also participated in two of the largest and most complex missions: advanced SEAD and offensive counter-air. Both of these missions are set against a "near-peer" adversary, which challenges the students with an antiaccess/area denial problem or A2/AD. As part of its assigned roles for these missions, the F-35A was tasked with locating adversary surface-to-air missile radars and suppressing those radars via its advanced electronic warfare capabilities or destroying the radars via internally carried bombs.
独自401 发表于 2015-7-26 16:22
压制雷达??纳尼
As part of its assigned roles for these missions, the F-35A was tasked with locating adversary surface-to-air missile radars and suppressing those radars via its advanced electronic warfare capabilities or destroying the radars via internally carried bombs.

而F-35上能压制地面雷达(suppressing those radars)的电子战设备,恐怕就只有APG-81
APG81 能压制地面雷达? 干扰我信,压制 我不信。
综合射频系统的定向压制能力是很强的
雷达理论上可以兼有干扰模式,但难以同时执行探测功能。
假想敌为具有接近或同等对战能力的对手。那对方有诸如j20之类的重型五代姬怎么办?
APG-81的干扰束就像封碉堡枪眼的点射,对面一露头就一个点射,不就是一种压制么?
老霉也是依仗自己庞大优势的核实力,要不然,土鳖拼命的放电磁蛋,打卫星,那F35的作战能力就只剩渣了
APG-81称之为雷达 真是很委屈呀 其实就是一个综合射频管控系统 远不是传统的雷达这个词汇可以描述的
攻势制空?肥电的肚子能塞多少东西?
看待F-35,不能以传统的战斗机的标准,各种先进的电子设备,射频攻击等高度整合在一起,加上自身的隐身,形成了独特战斗力。至于狗斗,那需要F-135增推到50000磅且飞控进一步优化才有的玩吧。
ryanzhen 发表于 2015-7-27 10:49
APG-81称之为雷达 真是很委屈呀 其实就是一个综合射频管控系统 远不是传统的雷达这个词汇可以描述的
谨慎期待一下歼20的雷达吧。。。
plebeian 发表于 2015-7-27 13:24
看待F-35,不能以传统的战斗机的标准,各种先进的电子设备,射频攻击等高度整合在一起,加上自身的隐身,形 ...
狗斗?四代机有多少机会狗斗,狗斗的时候EODAS+四代蛋,三代机也是要歇菜的。。。
ryanzhen 发表于 2015-7-27 10:49
APG-81称之为雷达 真是很委屈呀 其实就是一个综合射频管控系统 远不是传统的雷达这个词汇可以描述的
任何AESA都可以具备这个能力
awentom 发表于 2015-7-27 13:30
狗斗?四代机有多少机会狗斗,狗斗的时候EODAS+四代蛋,三代机也是要歇菜的。。。
嗯,大黄蜂也可以用EODAS+四代弹的。
这个不是本质区别。
thomas1987 发表于 2015-7-27 10:30
APG-81的干扰束就像封碉堡枪眼的点射,对面一露头就一个点射,不就是一种压制么?
碉堡多的情况下如何解决?而且很多“碉堡”不一定是真的。
一句话,高危目标会有更强大的电子战机支持,不能仅靠F35。否则咆哮者都退役让EA35上就行了,话说F35得到EA35编号了吗?
而且MD比咆哮者更专业更强大的电子战机还继续服役。
kingmako 发表于 2015-7-27 15:19
碉堡多的情况下如何解决?而且很多“碉堡”不一定是真的。
一句话,高危目标会有更强大的电子战机支持, ...
灵敏波束。。。而且不止一架F35相互间可以配合

没说肥电可以取代专业电战机,但肥电本身的电战能力至少不弱于徘徊者,相当程度上降低了对伴随电战机支援的要求,很多情况下不需要伴随掩护,4架F35编队就足以相互掩护了,这个有很高的战术意义,而且肥电未来升级电战能力甚至增加电战设备也不是不可能的
养猫专家 发表于 2015-7-26 18:57
攻势制空应该就是把敌机消灭在地面上。
The 16 WPS, F-35As also participated in two of the largest and most complex missions: advanced SEAD and offensive counter-air

指的是air to air
13128611786 发表于 2015-7-26 19:12
把敌机消灭在地面上是21世纪攻势制空宣传版--
这里的counter air是指空战
大花蚊子 发表于 2015-7-27 11:24
攻势制空?肥电的肚子能塞多少东西?
counter air任务时是四枚空空蛋吧,F-35也不是同时执行SEAD和offensive counter air

hnok 发表于 2015-7-27 19:02
counter air任务时是四枚空空蛋吧,F-35也不是同时执行SEAD和offensive counter air


OCA(offensive counter air)包含但不限于空战。细分还有OCA Sweep/Fighter Sweep(对空),OCA Escort(对空),OCA Strike/Surface Attack(对地)。其中OCA Strike为主要任务,目的是轰炸机场设施/跑道以及让飞机在起飞前就被摧毁。

还有一些资料是把SEAD也归于OCA之内的,例如:http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/maxwell/mp30.pdf 以及 http://www.flashcardmachine.com/final-test18.html

Offensive counterair (OCA) operations destroy, disrupt, or degrade enemy air and missile threats, with the goal of defeating these threats at their origin. OCA reduces the enemy air threat and frees friendly forces to use airspace for their own purposes, including other air operations.

Offensive Counterair

Offensive counter has four elements: surface attack, fighter sweep, escort, and suppression of enemy air defenses (SEAD). Surface attack (called “Offensive Counterair Attack Operations” in JP 3-01) destroys, disrupts, or degrades enemy air and missile threats and their associated support infrastructure. The goal of surface attack is to prevent employment of enemy air and missile weapons by attacking them before they are launched. Fighter sweeps search for and destroy enemy aircraft, airborne missile launch platforms, and other airborne targets of opportunity. Escorts protect friendly aircraft from enemy air-to-air and surface-to-air threats while over enemy territory. The escort mission supports other air missions such as interdiction, reconnaissance, airlift, search and rescue, aerial refueling, airborne command and control, and electronic warfare. Suppression of enemy air defenses neutralizes, destroys, or temporarily degrades enemy surface-based air defenses by disruption or destruction.


还有的就直接说An Offensive Counter Air mission’s intent is to attack enemy airfields.(http://faculty.nps.edu/ncrowe/oldstudents/ozkan_thesis.htm
hnok 发表于 2015-7-27 19:02
counter air任务时是四枚空空蛋吧,F-35也不是同时执行SEAD和offensive counter air


OCA(offensive counter air)包含但不限于空战。细分还有OCA Sweep/Fighter Sweep(对空),OCA Escort(对空),OCA Strike/Surface Attack(对地)。其中OCA Strike为主要任务,目的是轰炸机场设施/跑道以及让飞机在起飞前就被摧毁。

还有一些资料是把SEAD也归于OCA之内的,例如:http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/maxwell/mp30.pdf 以及 http://www.flashcardmachine.com/final-test18.html

Offensive counterair (OCA) operations destroy, disrupt, or degrade enemy air and missile threats, with the goal of defeating these threats at their origin. OCA reduces the enemy air threat and frees friendly forces to use airspace for their own purposes, including other air operations.

Offensive Counterair

Offensive counter has four elements: surface attack, fighter sweep, escort, and suppression of enemy air defenses (SEAD). Surface attack (called “Offensive Counterair Attack Operations” in JP 3-01) destroys, disrupts, or degrades enemy air and missile threats and their associated support infrastructure. The goal of surface attack is to prevent employment of enemy air and missile weapons by attacking them before they are launched. Fighter sweeps search for and destroy enemy aircraft, airborne missile launch platforms, and other airborne targets of opportunity. Escorts protect friendly aircraft from enemy air-to-air and surface-to-air threats while over enemy territory. The escort mission supports other air missions such as interdiction, reconnaissance, airlift, search and rescue, aerial refueling, airborne command and control, and electronic warfare. Suppression of enemy air defenses neutralizes, destroys, or temporarily degrades enemy surface-based air defenses by disruption or destruction.


还有的就直接说An Offensive Counter Air mission’s intent is to attack enemy airfields.(http://faculty.nps.edu/ncrowe/oldstudents/ozkan_thesis.htm)
问题是

1.敌人的地面雷达是不是红旗9B的新型有源相控阵雷达?

2.敌人的预警机是不是米波有源相控阵雷达?

3.敌人有没有无源雷达?

4.敌人有没有战机掩护下的预警机?

5.敌人有没有双机身的无人预警机?

6.敌人有没有歼-20?
灵敏波束。。。而且不止一架F35相互间可以配合

没说肥电可以取代专业电战机,但肥电本身的电战能力至 ...
这是对老式雷达,谁知道对对JY-26、346A等新雷达的干扰效果会有多好?
APG-81称之为雷达 真是很委屈呀 其实就是一个综合射频管控系统 远不是传统的雷达这个词汇可以描述的
现在软件无线电,aesa自组网络,已经不需要那种单一的传统雷达模式了
LJQC 发表于 2015-7-27 19:30
OCA(offensive counter air)包含但不限于空战。细分还有OCA Sweep(对空),OCA Escort(对空),OCA ...
谢资料


           
山人5400 发表于 2015-7-27 19:39
这是对老式雷达,谁知道对对JY-26、346A等新雷达的干扰效果会有多好?
笑了,APG-81怎么可能干扰UHF波或米波,美帝突破物理限制吗?何必多此一问
那没有F-22的国家怎么办?