所谓「英国想搬核子潜艇基地」的真相

原造假帖：
http://lt.cjdby.net/thread-2002681-1-1.html

Daily Mail是有这篇报导，但内容真是英国决定要把核子潜艇踢出苏格兰吗？

Gibraltar could be the next base for Britain's nuclear submarines as part of a £3billion move if SNP succeeds in ejecting Trident
   
Trident nuclear deterrent could be moved to Gibraltar, according to reports
    SNP want to eject Trident from its current base on the Clyde in Scotland
    Military source says the MoD have sounded out Gibraltar as an alternative
    Nuclear submarines' move could cost £3billion and take 10 years

（光看这句好像是，但下文说明前面这个是标题党）

By Ollie Gillman for MailOnline

Published: 17:09 GMT, 26 April 2015 | Updated: 00:39 GMT, 27 April 2015

Gibraltar could be the new home of Britain's nuclear submarines if the SNP succeeds in ridding Scotland of Trident.


（所以想把克莱德潜艇基地踢出苏格兰的就是SNP那一撮混蛋，就是有你们这些NIMBY(Not In My Backyard)的自私家伙，大英帝国才会一败涂地。无论是不是直不罗陀，不要留在克莱德就好，那帮操蛋就这么想）

Moving the nation's nuclear deterrent to the British territory could cost £3billion and take 10 years to complete, it was reported.

（如果真要搬迁克莱德核子潜艇基地，估计10年30亿英镑，以为现在英国国防部很有钱，可以这样浪费？这种因素的搬基地不会对战力有任何提升）


The SNP want to eject Trident from Scotland, but both the Conservatives and Labour have committed to retaining the base on the Clyde.


（SNP想把潜艇基地踢出苏格兰，但不管保守党或工党都承诺继续保留克莱德潜艇基地）


A senior military source told the Sunday Express that Ministry of Defence officials have sounded out Gibraltar as an alternative to the naval base on the Clyde.

'A party was sent to Gibraltar in January to determine whether the option could work. One can only assume it’s part of broader ­contingency planning,' the source said.

是有人评估如果克莱德基地需要搬迁的话，就搬到直不罗陀。但请用常识判断一下，英国最重要战略威慑力量搬到远离本土的小据点，这后勤跟安全怎么维持？直不罗陀有地方容纳跟克莱德或朴利茅兹一样完整的潜艇基地？

而且你SNP是天皇老子，不想要的垃圾踢出苏格兰，英格兰跟威尔斯就有义务去收？


The SNP's deputy leader Stewart Hosie has threatened to hold Westminster to ransom over Trident if the party holds the balance of power after the general election on May 7

说穿了5月下议院大选在即，SNP要胁说别小看咱们这XX票的力量，就是颠覆国会势力平衡的少数关键（民主政治里常见的某些政客的嘴脸），用此勒索大党。



Other options for a new home for the nuclear deterrent include Falmouth, but the potential political fall-out of moving the submarines to the Cornish coast make Gibraltar a more attractive proposal.

另一个搬迁的选择是英格兰西南靠近威尔斯的Falmouth，但那里是少数民族Cornish的地盘，苏格兰人比较伟大所以垃圾可以丢在Cornish头上？这些少数民族当然也会抗议的（对，民主国家里多数要容让少数）

相对地，没什么英国人会为直不罗陀抗议──除了西班牙。

补充一件往事：2000年5月皇家海军的核攻击潜艇不倦号（HMS Tireless S88）因为冷却回路外泄到直不罗陀紧急修理，但情况比预期严重，这艘潜艇待到次年5月才离开。西班牙当然气炸了，把一艘出问题正在外泄的核子潜艇放在西班牙家门口修！？2005年另一艘英国核攻击潜艇皇冠号（HMS Sceptre S104）也去直不罗陀修了六天，西班牙自然又抗议了，扬言说这是最后一次准许英国潜艇在直不罗陀修，不过这一次是跟核子推进系统无关的问题。

Dr Nick Ritchie, international security lecturer at the University of York, said any move could anger Spain - who already dispute Britain's claim over Gibraltar


He said: 'If the MoD is exploring other options, it shows admirable planning and foresight. Choosing Gibraltar would avoid the nimbyism question. Any alter­native site in England or Wales would carry political down sides. But Gibraltar has enough patriotism to overcome this.

'It would be interesting to see Spain’s reaction, ­however, since it is a non-nuclear member of Nato.'

当然罗！如果英国真想把潜艇基地搬到直不罗陀，西班牙的反应「一定很有意思」

Gibraltar's Chief Minister Fabian Picardo said it had the facilities available and had been visited by submarines from the UK and the US in the past.

However, a spokesman for the MoD said: 'This is absolutely untrue and we can be very clear that the MOD is not planning to move the nuclear deterrent from HM Naval Base Clyde to Gibraltar, or anywhere else.


重点来了，国防部发言人否认现在有任何搬迁克莱德基地的打算。

'The MOD is fully committed to retaining the deterrent on the Clyde and indeed we are basing all our submarines there from 2020.”

只是，搬移核潜艇基地的可能性，随著SNP跳上跳下而有相对增高的可能。如果他们在大选中真玩得出什么花样。不知道是否因为这次改选的选区有SNP的势力范围。


The likelihood of any move is likely to be increased by a strong performance by the SNP in the election.


Ed Miliband has ruled out a formal coalition with Nicola Sturgeon's party, as well as a confidence-and-supply agreement which would see the SNP back Labour on crucial votes, such as the Budget or the Queen's Speech.

Ed Miliband澄清跟SNP没有任何协议。

说明：民主制度里这些小党要胁利诱大党的方式就是条件交换（特别是没有人席次过半、某些小党可以当game changer的时候），在哪些攸关某党利益的事情上采取同一阵线，然后交换在另一些议题（例如潜艇基地搬迁）里这个大党的支持。

He told Andrew Marr today: 'No coalition, no tie-ins, I have said no deals - I have been clear about that. I am not doing deals with the Scottish Nationalist Party.'

The Conservatives have made the prospect of a Labour administration that's reliant on SNP votes one of the central planks of their election campaign in the last fortnight.

Last week a Labour frontbencher expressed regret that the party cannot ‘get rid’ of Trident.


连工党都说「我们也没办法摆脱对三叉戟导弹的依赖，这个世界太邪恶了」。

Shadow Welsh secretary Owen Smith said at a hustings event on Wednesday: ‘We view the world as being a very dangerous and volatile place at the moment. So our policy is that we will retain Trident, we will maintain a continuous at-sea deterrent.’

But he added: ‘So we will pursue an independent perspective, the next Labour government, but on the issue of Trident: would but we could get rid of it but I fear that we can’t.’

最后强调，苏格兰独立公投前，英国政府从没有以迁移克莱德潜艇基地当作说服苏格兰留下的条件！

原造假帖：
http://lt.cjdby.net/thread-2002681-1-1.html

Daily Mail是有这篇报导，但内容真是英国决定要把核子潜艇踢出苏格兰吗？

Gibraltar could be the next base for Britain's nuclear submarines as part of a £3billion move if SNP succeeds in ejecting Trident
   
Trident nuclear deterrent could be moved to Gibraltar, according to reports
    SNP want to eject Trident from its current base on the Clyde in Scotland
    Military source says the MoD have sounded out Gibraltar as an alternative
    Nuclear submarines' move could cost £3billion and take 10 years

（光看这句好像是，但下文说明前面这个是标题党）

By Ollie Gillman for MailOnline

Published: 17:09 GMT, 26 April 2015 | Updated: 00:39 GMT, 27 April 2015

Gibraltar could be the new home of Britain's nuclear submarines if the SNP succeeds in ridding Scotland of Trident.


（所以想把克莱德潜艇基地踢出苏格兰的就是SNP那一撮混蛋，就是有你们这些NIMBY(Not In My Backyard)的自私家伙，大英帝国才会一败涂地。无论是不是直不罗陀，不要留在克莱德就好，那帮操蛋就这么想）

Moving the nation's nuclear deterrent to the British territory could cost £3billion and take 10 years to complete, it was reported.

（如果真要搬迁克莱德核子潜艇基地，估计10年30亿英镑，以为现在英国国防部很有钱，可以这样浪费？这种因素的搬基地不会对战力有任何提升）


The SNP want to eject Trident from Scotland, but both the Conservatives and Labour have committed to retaining the base on the Clyde.


（SNP想把潜艇基地踢出苏格兰，但不管保守党或工党都承诺继续保留克莱德潜艇基地）


A senior military source told the Sunday Express that Ministry of Defence officials have sounded out Gibraltar as an alternative to the naval base on the Clyde.

'A party was sent to Gibraltar in January to determine whether the option could work. One can only assume it’s part of broader ­contingency planning,' the source said.

是有人评估如果克莱德基地需要搬迁的话，就搬到直不罗陀。但请用常识判断一下，英国最重要战略威慑力量搬到远离本土的小据点，这后勤跟安全怎么维持？直不罗陀有地方容纳跟克莱德或朴利茅兹一样完整的潜艇基地？

而且你SNP是天皇老子，不想要的垃圾踢出苏格兰，英格兰跟威尔斯就有义务去收？


The SNP's deputy leader Stewart Hosie has threatened to hold Westminster to ransom over Trident if the party holds the balance of power after the general election on May 7

说穿了5月下议院大选在即，SNP要胁说别小看咱们这XX票的力量，就是颠覆国会势力平衡的少数关键（民主政治里常见的某些政客的嘴脸），用此勒索大党。



Other options for a new home for the nuclear deterrent include Falmouth, but the potential political fall-out of moving the submarines to the Cornish coast make Gibraltar a more attractive proposal.

另一个搬迁的选择是英格兰西南靠近威尔斯的Falmouth，但那里是少数民族Cornish的地盘，苏格兰人比较伟大所以垃圾可以丢在Cornish头上？这些少数民族当然也会抗议的（对，民主国家里多数要容让少数）

相对地，没什么英国人会为直不罗陀抗议──除了西班牙。

补充一件往事：2000年5月皇家海军的核攻击潜艇不倦号（HMS Tireless S88）因为冷却回路外泄到直不罗陀紧急修理，但情况比预期严重，这艘潜艇待到次年5月才离开。西班牙当然气炸了，把一艘出问题正在外泄的核子潜艇放在西班牙家门口修！？2005年另一艘英国核攻击潜艇皇冠号（HMS Sceptre S104）也去直不罗陀修了六天，西班牙自然又抗议了，扬言说这是最后一次准许英国潜艇在直不罗陀修，不过这一次是跟核子推进系统无关的问题。

Dr Nick Ritchie, international security lecturer at the University of York, said any move could anger Spain - who already dispute Britain's claim over Gibraltar


He said: 'If the MoD is exploring other options, it shows admirable planning and foresight. Choosing Gibraltar would avoid the nimbyism question. Any alter­native site in England or Wales would carry political down sides. But Gibraltar has enough patriotism to overcome this.

'It would be interesting to see Spain’s reaction, ­however, since it is a non-nuclear member of Nato.'

当然罗！如果英国真想把潜艇基地搬到直不罗陀，西班牙的反应「一定很有意思」

Gibraltar's Chief Minister Fabian Picardo said it had the facilities available and had been visited by submarines from the UK and the US in the past.

However, a spokesman for the MoD said: 'This is absolutely untrue and we can be very clear that the MOD is not planning to move the nuclear deterrent from HM Naval Base Clyde to Gibraltar, or anywhere else.


重点来了，国防部发言人否认现在有任何搬迁克莱德基地的打算。

'The MOD is fully committed to retaining the deterrent on the Clyde and indeed we are basing all our submarines there from 2020.”

只是，搬移核潜艇基地的可能性，随著SNP跳上跳下而有相对增高的可能。如果他们在大选中真玩得出什么花样。不知道是否因为这次改选的选区有SNP的势力范围。


The likelihood of any move is likely to be increased by a strong performance by the SNP in the election.


Ed Miliband has ruled out a formal coalition with Nicola Sturgeon's party, as well as a confidence-and-supply agreement which would see the SNP back Labour on crucial votes, such as the Budget or the Queen's Speech.

Ed Miliband澄清跟SNP没有任何协议。

说明：民主制度里这些小党要胁利诱大党的方式就是条件交换（特别是没有人席次过半、某些小党可以当game changer的时候），在哪些攸关某党利益的事情上采取同一阵线，然后交换在另一些议题（例如潜艇基地搬迁）里这个大党的支持。

He told Andrew Marr today: 'No coalition, no tie-ins, I have said no deals - I have been clear about that. I am not doing deals with the Scottish Nationalist Party.'

The Conservatives have made the prospect of a Labour administration that's reliant on SNP votes one of the central planks of their election campaign in the last fortnight.

Last week a Labour frontbencher expressed regret that the party cannot ‘get rid’ of Trident.


连工党都说「我们也没办法摆脱对三叉戟导弹的依赖，这个世界太邪恶了」。

Shadow Welsh secretary Owen Smith said at a hustings event on Wednesday: ‘We view the world as being a very dangerous and volatile place at the moment. So our policy is that we will retain Trident, we will maintain a continuous at-sea deterrent.’

But he added: ‘So we will pursue an independent perspective, the next Labour government, but on the issue of Trident: would but we could get rid of it but I fear that we can’t.’

最后强调，苏格兰独立公投前，英国政府从没有以迁移克莱德潜艇基地当作说服苏格兰留下的条件！