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OneIndia Exclusive: DRDO to abandon indigenous fighter jet engine Kaveri project
Written by: Dr Anantha Krishnan M
Updated: Wednesday, November 19, 2014, 15:51 [IST]
Bengaluru, Nov 18: The Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) has decided to wind up the Kaveri engine (GTX-35VS ) programme, signaling an end to a desi dream of equipping its own fighter jet with a home-grown power plant.
Sources in the Ministry of Defence (MoD) confirmed to OneIndia on Tuesday that the DRDO has already moved a file recently seeking the closure of the ambitious engine development project undertaken by Bengaluru-based Gas Turbine Research Establishment (GTRE).
The proposal now needs to get the approval of the Ministry of Finance (MoF) and finally the clearance from the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) - a process expected to take at least a year. The Kaveri project, which began in the mid-80s, was aimed at powering the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas.
GTRE has spent so far Rs 2,106 crore on the project so far and could only fly the engine for 73 hours on the IL-76 Flying Test Bed (FTB) in Russia. The delay in the project saw DRDO choosing the GE 404 engine for Tejas Mk-1 and GE 414 for Tejas Mk-II.
GTRE gets additional funds
Sources said that the DRDO has sanctioned Rs 300 crore for GTRE to take up future projects. "The lab is gearing up to take up some futuristic projects and the sanctions have been already given. Another additional sanction of Rs 700 crore is on its way to help realize these gen-next technologies," an official said.
Sources confirm that a separate proposal of Rs 2,600 crore to develop engines for an ‘ambitious project' is under consideration now. The lab has been given another Rs 70 crore for a strategic programme.
Part of DRDO's bold decision, confirms DG
Refusing to divulge the finer details, Dr K Tamilmani, Director-General (Aero), DRDO, confirmed to OneIndia that the Kaveri project will be scrapped. "Yes. These are part of the bold stand being taken by DRDO. Whereever we have found bottlenecks for long time, with no realistic solutions, it's better to move on. It is an honest stand we are taking," Tamilmani said.
When asked whether the decision was a fall out of the recent remarks made by Prime Minister Narendra Modi asking DRDO to come out of the delay trap, the senior official refused to make a direct comment. "If you are fit to run only for 50 km, why attempt 100 km? DRDO has realized its mistakes of the past and we have no hesitation in taking some bold steps," he said.
Sources said that the MoF has sought some clarifications from DRDO on the Kaveri project, before the matter could finally reach the CCS.
Years of hard work won't go waste: GTRE Director
Dr C P Ramanarayanan, Director, GTRE, said that the DRDO decision might not be final. Leading a team of 900-plus staff at GTRE, Dr Ramanarayanan is now left with the task of inspiring the team to launch future projects.
"This is not the end of the road. We have identified some 12 core areas of technologies and various teams are already at it. Years of hard work put in by the team won't go waste either," Dr Ramanarayanan, a torpedo specialist, told OneIndia.
He said world over not many countries have progressed ahead in making engines. "We have made a good start and despite the delays, proved our capabilities to our best of abilities. The lessons learnt will not go down the drain. India must become self sufficient in making aero engines and our efforts will continue," he added.
(The writer is a seasoned aerospace and defence journalist in India. He is the Consultant Editor (Defence) with OneIndia.
新闻链接
http://www.oneindia.com/bengaluru/oneindia-exclusive-drdo-to-abandon-kaveri-project-gtre-gets-revival-package-1565505.htmlOneIndia Exclusive: DRDO to abandon indigenous fighter jet engine Kaveri project
Written by: Dr Anantha Krishnan M
Updated: Wednesday, November 19, 2014, 15:51 [IST]
Bengaluru, Nov 18: The Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) has decided to wind up the Kaveri engine (GTX-35VS ) programme, signaling an end to a desi dream of equipping its own fighter jet with a home-grown power plant.
Sources in the Ministry of Defence (MoD) confirmed to OneIndia on Tuesday that the DRDO has already moved a file recently seeking the closure of the ambitious engine development project undertaken by Bengaluru-based Gas Turbine Research Establishment (GTRE).
The proposal now needs to get the approval of the Ministry of Finance (MoF) and finally the clearance from the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) - a process expected to take at least a year. The Kaveri project, which began in the mid-80s, was aimed at powering the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas.
GTRE has spent so far Rs 2,106 crore on the project so far and could only fly the engine for 73 hours on the IL-76 Flying Test Bed (FTB) in Russia. The delay in the project saw DRDO choosing the GE 404 engine for Tejas Mk-1 and GE 414 for Tejas Mk-II.
GTRE gets additional funds
Sources said that the DRDO has sanctioned Rs 300 crore for GTRE to take up future projects. "The lab is gearing up to take up some futuristic projects and the sanctions have been already given. Another additional sanction of Rs 700 crore is on its way to help realize these gen-next technologies," an official said.
Sources confirm that a separate proposal of Rs 2,600 crore to develop engines for an ‘ambitious project' is under consideration now. The lab has been given another Rs 70 crore for a strategic programme.
Part of DRDO's bold decision, confirms DG
Refusing to divulge the finer details, Dr K Tamilmani, Director-General (Aero), DRDO, confirmed to OneIndia that the Kaveri project will be scrapped. "Yes. These are part of the bold stand being taken by DRDO. Whereever we have found bottlenecks for long time, with no realistic solutions, it's better to move on. It is an honest stand we are taking," Tamilmani said.
When asked whether the decision was a fall out of the recent remarks made by Prime Minister Narendra Modi asking DRDO to come out of the delay trap, the senior official refused to make a direct comment. "If you are fit to run only for 50 km, why attempt 100 km? DRDO has realized its mistakes of the past and we have no hesitation in taking some bold steps," he said.
Sources said that the MoF has sought some clarifications from DRDO on the Kaveri project, before the matter could finally reach the CCS.
Years of hard work won't go waste: GTRE Director
Dr C P Ramanarayanan, Director, GTRE, said that the DRDO decision might not be final. Leading a team of 900-plus staff at GTRE, Dr Ramanarayanan is now left with the task of inspiring the team to launch future projects.
"This is not the end of the road. We have identified some 12 core areas of technologies and various teams are already at it. Years of hard work put in by the team won't go waste either," Dr Ramanarayanan, a torpedo specialist, told OneIndia.
He said world over not many countries have progressed ahead in making engines. "We have made a good start and despite the delays, proved our capabilities to our best of abilities. The lessons learnt will not go down the drain. India must become self sufficient in making aero engines and our efforts will continue," he added.
(The writer is a seasoned aerospace and defence journalist in India. He is the Consultant Editor (Defence) with OneIndia.
新闻链接
http://www.oneindia.com/bengaluru/oneindia-exclusive-drdo-to-abandon-kaveri-project-gtre-gets-revival-package-1565505.html
Written by: Dr Anantha Krishnan M
Updated: Wednesday, November 19, 2014, 15:51 [IST]
Bengaluru, Nov 18: The Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) has decided to wind up the Kaveri engine (GTX-35VS ) programme, signaling an end to a desi dream of equipping its own fighter jet with a home-grown power plant.
Sources in the Ministry of Defence (MoD) confirmed to OneIndia on Tuesday that the DRDO has already moved a file recently seeking the closure of the ambitious engine development project undertaken by Bengaluru-based Gas Turbine Research Establishment (GTRE).
The proposal now needs to get the approval of the Ministry of Finance (MoF) and finally the clearance from the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) - a process expected to take at least a year. The Kaveri project, which began in the mid-80s, was aimed at powering the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas.
GTRE has spent so far Rs 2,106 crore on the project so far and could only fly the engine for 73 hours on the IL-76 Flying Test Bed (FTB) in Russia. The delay in the project saw DRDO choosing the GE 404 engine for Tejas Mk-1 and GE 414 for Tejas Mk-II.
GTRE gets additional funds
Sources said that the DRDO has sanctioned Rs 300 crore for GTRE to take up future projects. "The lab is gearing up to take up some futuristic projects and the sanctions have been already given. Another additional sanction of Rs 700 crore is on its way to help realize these gen-next technologies," an official said.
Sources confirm that a separate proposal of Rs 2,600 crore to develop engines for an ‘ambitious project' is under consideration now. The lab has been given another Rs 70 crore for a strategic programme.
Part of DRDO's bold decision, confirms DG
Refusing to divulge the finer details, Dr K Tamilmani, Director-General (Aero), DRDO, confirmed to OneIndia that the Kaveri project will be scrapped. "Yes. These are part of the bold stand being taken by DRDO. Whereever we have found bottlenecks for long time, with no realistic solutions, it's better to move on. It is an honest stand we are taking," Tamilmani said.
When asked whether the decision was a fall out of the recent remarks made by Prime Minister Narendra Modi asking DRDO to come out of the delay trap, the senior official refused to make a direct comment. "If you are fit to run only for 50 km, why attempt 100 km? DRDO has realized its mistakes of the past and we have no hesitation in taking some bold steps," he said.
Sources said that the MoF has sought some clarifications from DRDO on the Kaveri project, before the matter could finally reach the CCS.
Years of hard work won't go waste: GTRE Director
Dr C P Ramanarayanan, Director, GTRE, said that the DRDO decision might not be final. Leading a team of 900-plus staff at GTRE, Dr Ramanarayanan is now left with the task of inspiring the team to launch future projects.
"This is not the end of the road. We have identified some 12 core areas of technologies and various teams are already at it. Years of hard work put in by the team won't go waste either," Dr Ramanarayanan, a torpedo specialist, told OneIndia.
He said world over not many countries have progressed ahead in making engines. "We have made a good start and despite the delays, proved our capabilities to our best of abilities. The lessons learnt will not go down the drain. India must become self sufficient in making aero engines and our efforts will continue," he added.
(The writer is a seasoned aerospace and defence journalist in India. He is the Consultant Editor (Defence) with OneIndia.
新闻链接
http://www.oneindia.com/bengaluru/oneindia-exclusive-drdo-to-abandon-kaveri-project-gtre-gets-revival-package-1565505.htmlOneIndia Exclusive: DRDO to abandon indigenous fighter jet engine Kaveri project
Written by: Dr Anantha Krishnan M
Updated: Wednesday, November 19, 2014, 15:51 [IST]
Bengaluru, Nov 18: The Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) has decided to wind up the Kaveri engine (GTX-35VS ) programme, signaling an end to a desi dream of equipping its own fighter jet with a home-grown power plant.
Sources in the Ministry of Defence (MoD) confirmed to OneIndia on Tuesday that the DRDO has already moved a file recently seeking the closure of the ambitious engine development project undertaken by Bengaluru-based Gas Turbine Research Establishment (GTRE).
The proposal now needs to get the approval of the Ministry of Finance (MoF) and finally the clearance from the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) - a process expected to take at least a year. The Kaveri project, which began in the mid-80s, was aimed at powering the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas.
GTRE has spent so far Rs 2,106 crore on the project so far and could only fly the engine for 73 hours on the IL-76 Flying Test Bed (FTB) in Russia. The delay in the project saw DRDO choosing the GE 404 engine for Tejas Mk-1 and GE 414 for Tejas Mk-II.
GTRE gets additional funds
Sources said that the DRDO has sanctioned Rs 300 crore for GTRE to take up future projects. "The lab is gearing up to take up some futuristic projects and the sanctions have been already given. Another additional sanction of Rs 700 crore is on its way to help realize these gen-next technologies," an official said.
Sources confirm that a separate proposal of Rs 2,600 crore to develop engines for an ‘ambitious project' is under consideration now. The lab has been given another Rs 70 crore for a strategic programme.
Part of DRDO's bold decision, confirms DG
Refusing to divulge the finer details, Dr K Tamilmani, Director-General (Aero), DRDO, confirmed to OneIndia that the Kaveri project will be scrapped. "Yes. These are part of the bold stand being taken by DRDO. Whereever we have found bottlenecks for long time, with no realistic solutions, it's better to move on. It is an honest stand we are taking," Tamilmani said.
When asked whether the decision was a fall out of the recent remarks made by Prime Minister Narendra Modi asking DRDO to come out of the delay trap, the senior official refused to make a direct comment. "If you are fit to run only for 50 km, why attempt 100 km? DRDO has realized its mistakes of the past and we have no hesitation in taking some bold steps," he said.
Sources said that the MoF has sought some clarifications from DRDO on the Kaveri project, before the matter could finally reach the CCS.
Years of hard work won't go waste: GTRE Director
Dr C P Ramanarayanan, Director, GTRE, said that the DRDO decision might not be final. Leading a team of 900-plus staff at GTRE, Dr Ramanarayanan is now left with the task of inspiring the team to launch future projects.
"This is not the end of the road. We have identified some 12 core areas of technologies and various teams are already at it. Years of hard work put in by the team won't go waste either," Dr Ramanarayanan, a torpedo specialist, told OneIndia.
He said world over not many countries have progressed ahead in making engines. "We have made a good start and despite the delays, proved our capabilities to our best of abilities. The lessons learnt will not go down the drain. India must become self sufficient in making aero engines and our efforts will continue," he added.
(The writer is a seasoned aerospace and defence journalist in India. He is the Consultant Editor (Defence) with OneIndia.
新闻链接
http://www.oneindia.com/bengaluru/oneindia-exclusive-drdo-to-abandon-kaveri-project-gtre-gets-revival-package-1565505.html
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OneIndia独家：DRDO放弃本土战斗机的喷气发动机卡佛里项目
撰稿：博士Anantha克里希南M
更新日期：周三，2014年11月19日，15:51 [北京时间]
班加罗尔 11月18日：国防研究与发展组织（ DRDO ）已经决定结束本卡佛里发动机（GTX-35VS）计划，标志着结束了装备自己的战斗机与本土电厂的DESI梦想。
在国防部（MOD）来源证实OneIndia上周二表示，DRDO已经移动了文件，最近试图通过班加罗尔型燃气轮机研究机构（GTRE）进行的雄心勃勃的发动机开发项目的关闭。
该提案目前需要得到财政部（MOF），最后从内阁安全委员会（CCS）的间隙批准 - 预计需要至少一年的过程。 该卡佛里项目，该项目开始于80年代中期，旨在供电的轻型战斗机（LCA）特哈斯。
GTRE花了该项目迄今卢比2106亿卢比，至目前为止只能飞发动机73小时的IL-76飞行试验台（FTB）在俄罗斯。 该项目的延迟看见DRDO选择GE 404发动机为Tejas的MK-II Tejas的MK-1和GE 414。
GTRE获得额外资金
有消息说，DRDO已批准30亿卢比用于GTRE占用未来的项目。 “该实验室正在加紧采取了一些未来的项目和制裁已经已经给出了700卢比亿卢比的另一个附加制裁的道路上，以帮助实现这些发电机旁边的技术，”一位官员说。
来源证实，卢比2600亿卢比的独立建议，发展引擎的“雄心勃勃的计划”正在考虑现在。 该实验室被赋予另一种卢比70卢比的战略方案。
对DRDO的大胆的决定的一部分，确认DG
拒绝透露细节了，医生Tamilmani，总干事（航空），DRDO，证实OneIndia该卡佛里项目将被取消。 “是的，这些都是正在采取DRDO。。无论我们发现瓶颈很长一段时间，没有现实的解决方案，它能够更好地前进了大胆的立场的一部分，它是一个诚实的立场，我们正在采取”Tamilmani说。
当被问及决定是否下降了由总理纳伦德拉·莫迪取得了最近的言论，要求DRDO出来的延迟陷阱中，高级官员拒绝作出直接评论。 “如果你是适合仅50公里处，为什么尝试百公里？DRDO已经意识到过去的错误中，我们必须采取一些大胆措施毫不犹豫地跑，”他说。
消息人士说，财政部已要求从DRDO一些澄清的卡佛里的项目，之前的事情终于可以实现了CCS。
多年的辛勤工作，不会去浪费：GTRE主任
CP Ramanarayanan，主任，GTRE，医生说，DRDO决定可能不会被最终确认。 领导一个团队的900多名工作人员GTRE，Ramanarayanan博士，现在只剩下鼓舞队发动未来项目的任务。
“这是不是道路的尽头。我们已经确定了一些12核心领域的技术和各个团队都已经在了。多年被球队放入努力工作不会浪费任何”Ramanarayanan博士，鱼雷专家告诉OneIndia。
他说，世界上没几个国家都在做发动机的进展领先。 “我们已经有了一个良好的开端，尽管延迟，证明了我们的能力，我们最好的能力，学会了就不会付诸东流的教训。印度必须成为自我在使航空发动机，我们的努力将继续充裕，”他补充说。
（作者是印度的一位经验丰富的航空航天和国防记者，他是顾问编辑器（国防部）与OneIndia他鸣叫与commat;。 writetake 。）
OneIndia独家：DRDO放弃本土战斗机的喷气发动机卡佛里项目
撰稿：博士Anantha克里希南M
更新日期：周三，2014年11月19日，15:51 [北京时间]
班加罗尔 11月18日：国防研究与发展组织（ DRDO ）已经决定结束本卡佛里发动机（GTX-35VS）计划，标志着结束了装备自己的战斗机与本土电厂的DESI梦想。
在国防部（MOD）来源证实OneIndia上周二表示，DRDO已经移动了文件，最近试图通过班加罗尔型燃气轮机研究机构（GTRE）进行的雄心勃勃的发动机开发项目的关闭。
该提案目前需要得到财政部（MOF），最后从内阁安全委员会（CCS）的间隙批准 - 预计需要至少一年的过程。 该卡佛里项目，该项目开始于80年代中期，旨在供电的轻型战斗机（LCA）特哈斯。
GTRE花了该项目迄今卢比2106亿卢比，至目前为止只能飞发动机73小时的IL-76飞行试验台（FTB）在俄罗斯。 该项目的延迟看见DRDO选择GE 404发动机为Tejas的MK-II Tejas的MK-1和GE 414。
GTRE获得额外资金
有消息说，DRDO已批准30亿卢比用于GTRE占用未来的项目。 “该实验室正在加紧采取了一些未来的项目和制裁已经已经给出了700卢比亿卢比的另一个附加制裁的道路上，以帮助实现这些发电机旁边的技术，”一位官员说。
来源证实，卢比2600亿卢比的独立建议，发展引擎的“雄心勃勃的计划”正在考虑现在。 该实验室被赋予另一种卢比70卢比的战略方案。
对DRDO的大胆的决定的一部分，确认DG
拒绝透露细节了，医生Tamilmani，总干事（航空），DRDO，证实OneIndia该卡佛里项目将被取消。 “是的，这些都是正在采取DRDO。。无论我们发现瓶颈很长一段时间，没有现实的解决方案，它能够更好地前进了大胆的立场的一部分，它是一个诚实的立场，我们正在采取”Tamilmani说。
当被问及决定是否下降了由总理纳伦德拉·莫迪取得了最近的言论，要求DRDO出来的延迟陷阱中，高级官员拒绝作出直接评论。 “如果你是适合仅50公里处，为什么尝试百公里？DRDO已经意识到过去的错误中，我们必须采取一些大胆措施毫不犹豫地跑，”他说。
消息人士说，财政部已要求从DRDO一些澄清的卡佛里的项目，之前的事情终于可以实现了CCS。
多年的辛勤工作，不会去浪费：GTRE主任
CP Ramanarayanan，主任，GTRE，医生说，DRDO决定可能不会被最终确认。 领导一个团队的900多名工作人员GTRE，Ramanarayanan博士，现在只剩下鼓舞队发动未来项目的任务。
“这是不是道路的尽头。我们已经确定了一些12核心领域的技术和各个团队都已经在了。多年被球队放入努力工作不会浪费任何”Ramanarayanan博士，鱼雷专家告诉OneIndia。
他说，世界上没几个国家都在做发动机的进展领先。 “我们已经有了一个良好的开端，尽管延迟，证明了我们的能力，我们最好的能力，学会了就不会付诸东流的教训。印度必须成为自我在使航空发动机，我们的努力将继续充裕，”他补充说。
（作者是印度的一位经验丰富的航空航天和国防记者，他是顾问编辑器（国防部）与OneIndia他鸣叫与commat;。 writetake 。）
印度卡佛理中推发动机
三哥论坛讨论
http://defence.pk/threads/breakingnews-drdo-to-abandon-kaveri-project.344574/
http://defence.pk/threads/breakingnews-drdo-to-abandon-kaveri-project.344574/
这可真像菊啊。。。。现在风扇前有导流支撑叶片的不多了吧？
丑到没朋友的节奏。
主要是名字起得，卡腹里，就是胎死腹中的意思..
现在风扇前有导流支撑叶片的不多了吧？
多了去了，比如F119
多了去了，比如F119
←_←造船都要10年左右发动机起码得50年，现在才30年还差点
我就不说啥了，三哥也不容易。
三哥论坛讨论
http://defence.pk/threads/breakingnews-drdo-to-abandon-kaveri-project.344574/
把评论贴过来翻译下啊←_←
http://defence.pk/threads/breakingnews-drdo-to-abandon-kaveri-project.344574/
把评论贴过来翻译下啊←_←
看了开头，这消息依然是将来时，要等国防部等老爷们批准。
难道他们不准备搞个kaveri MKII 之类的计划继续钓鱼么？放了三十年的线了，不容易。
看了开头，这消息依然是将来时，要等国防部等老爷们批准。
难道他们不准备搞个kaveri MKII 之类的计划继续钓鱼么？放了三十年的线了，不容易。
既然中国又买了100台RD93，看来WS-13也处境不佳（那个国发缩短航程的帖子被处决了）；
貌似这方面，东亚大国也没啥可嘲笑南亚大国的。
貌似这方面，东亚大国也没啥可嘲笑南亚大国的。
把评论贴过来翻译下啊←_←
楼层太高，乃自己看吧←_←
楼层太高，乃自己看吧←_←
咱们也别笑话三哥了，无非就是五十步笑百步罢了，老美和毛子估计也是这么笑话咱们的，工业基础欠的太多，没多少人沉下气来搞基础，就没有技术沉淀，用到的时候再去研发怎么不拖后腿。我想发动机工业很大程度上不是设计不出来，而是材料和制造工艺的问题，这不是仿制就能解决的，所以总是一路走得跌跌撞撞，底子太薄。希望国家能在材料和制造工艺这些基础上加大力度，不要急功近利，别让一些需要长期时间和财力投入才能出成果的研究半途而废
这不叫坚持不懈，这叫自不量力，小学没毕业去写大学论文，估计墓地接下来要给他们布置硕士论文了
此前，印度从未完成研制过战斗机航发，也未引进授权生产并装备过，也没科研和产业基础，这不是步子大了扯到蛋，一步想登天是啥
还是老老实实的跪求美国人，看能不能引进生产F414比什么都实在，反正三哥是不屑于仿制的
这不叫坚持不懈，这叫自不量力，小学没毕业去写大学论文，估计墓地接下来要给他们布置硕士论文了
此前，印度从未完成研制过战斗机航发，也未引进授权生产并装备过，也没科研和产业基础，这不是步子大了扯到蛋，一步想登天是啥
还是老老实实的跪求美国人，看能不能引进生产F414比什么都实在，反正三哥是不屑于仿制的
这不叫坚持不懈，这叫自不量力，小学没毕业去写大学论文，估计墓地接下来要给他们布置硕士论文了
此前， ...
按您的说法，中国是中学生写本科论文，结果也没好多少。来自: Android客户端
此前， ...
按您的说法，中国是中学生写本科论文，结果也没好多少。来自: Android客户端
0851笨鸟 发表于 2014-11-20 10:22
按您的说法，中国是中学生写本科论文，结果也没好多少。
天上飞的太行是纸糊的？
按您的说法，中国是中学生写本科论文，结果也没好多少。
天上飞的太行是纸糊的？
半斤八两
至少目前没有笑话别人的实力。。。
至少目前没有笑话别人的实力。。。
类似于当年下马WS6，然后上马太行。
咱们好歹是从MIG-15时代的涡喷大修仿制开始一路过来的，先芳后改进再自研涡喷，然后搞先进涡扇都如此艰难，磕磕碰碰，三哥想一口吃成一个胖子哪那么容易。这就好比咱们是先学骑自行车，再骑电动踏板车，最后骑哈雷，三哥是连自行车都没骑过，直接跨上哈雷一带油门，摔个四脚朝天眼冒金星也属正常。
如果放弃了那真就跪了。本来觉得三哥坚持30年不容易
现在风扇前有导流支撑叶片的不多了吧？
多117s,,119都飘过
多117s,,119都飘过
咱们好歹是从MIG-15时代的涡喷大修仿制开始一路过来的，先芳后改进再自研涡喷，然后搞先进涡扇都如此艰难， ...
三哥发动机方面也仿制，自研过，，只是没我们多，，
三哥发动机方面也仿制，自研过，，只是没我们多，，
这外形，真是丑到没朋友 
最后那张图真是名副其实的菊花啊
还是刚刚被捅过的
还是刚刚被捅过的
最后那张图真是名副其实的菊花啊
还是刚刚被捅过的
那是进气口，怎么是菊花呢
还是刚刚被捅过的
那是进气口，怎么是菊花呢
sxz167117 发表于 2014-11-20 12:07
那是进气口，怎么是菊花呢
因为实在是太像真正的菊花了啊
那是进气口，怎么是菊花呢
因为实在是太像真正的菊花了啊
NHPZ 发表于 2014-11-20 09:36
既然中国又买了100台RD93，看来WS-13也处境不佳（那个国发缩短航程的帖子被处决了）；
貌似这方面，东亚大 ...
13什么时候开始研制的？
WS132010年就上机开始飞行测试了，今年已经投资了9个亿开始建设生产线了，卡福利呢？一直是飞行台，飞行台，飞行台，
既然中国又买了100台RD93，看来WS-13也处境不佳（那个国发缩短航程的帖子被处决了）；
貌似这方面，东亚大 ...
13什么时候开始研制的？
WS132010年就上机开始飞行测试了，今年已经投资了9个亿开始建设生产线了，卡福利呢？一直是飞行台，飞行台，飞行台，
buyaoluanlai 发表于 2014-11-20 12:30
13什么时候开始研制的？
WS132010年就上机开始飞行测试了，今年已经投资了9个亿开始建设生产线了，卡福 ...
虽然“2010年就上机开始飞行测试了，今年已经投资了9个亿开始建设生产线了”;
还是买了100台RD93，肥水流了外人田；
这东西计划2012定型，定到现在...
顺便说一句，美帝完全原生研制的世界第一台服役的三代大推，F100，从立项到服役也不过四年多；
相比中国嘲笑印度，美帝更有资格嘲笑拷贝个中推还飞四年不能成熟的“当今世界第一工业大国”。
13什么时候开始研制的？
WS132010年就上机开始飞行测试了，今年已经投资了9个亿开始建设生产线了，卡福 ...
虽然“2010年就上机开始飞行测试了，今年已经投资了9个亿开始建设生产线了”;
还是买了100台RD93，肥水流了外人田；
这东西计划2012定型，定到现在...
顺便说一句，美帝完全原生研制的世界第一台服役的三代大推，F100，从立项到服役也不过四年多；
相比中国嘲笑印度，美帝更有资格嘲笑拷贝个中推还飞四年不能成熟的“当今世界第一工业大国”。
外形真猥琐
“proved our capabilities”
是 proved our incapabilities 才对吧
是 proved our incapabilities 才对吧
NHPZ 发表于 2014-11-20 09:36
既然中国又买了100台RD93，看来WS-13也处境不佳（那个国发缩短航程的帖子被处决了）；
貌似这方面，东亚大 ...
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既然中国又买了100台RD93，看来WS-13也处境不佳（那个国发缩短航程的帖子被处决了）；
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0851笨鸟 发表于 2014-11-20 10:22
按您的说法，中国是中学生写本科论文，结果也没好多少。
中国确实扯过蛋走过弯路啊
WS-6什么的不是搞不定下马了么
但中国好歹造了这么多年各种涡喷，引进了斯贝等技术，现在可以说是本科生写硕士论文，努把力是可以完成的
按您的说法，中国是中学生写本科论文，结果也没好多少。
中国确实扯过蛋走过弯路啊
WS-6什么的不是搞不定下马了么
但中国好歹造了这么多年各种涡喷，引进了斯贝等技术，现在可以说是本科生写硕士论文，努把力是可以完成的
jialiang1949 发表于 2014-11-20 10:54
如果放弃了那真就跪了。本来觉得三哥坚持30年不容易
不放弃还是得跪
从LCA、阿囧到加尔各答，三哥总是想一步登天，而且30年坚持不懈就是要一步登天
早点放弃重新制定个10年能完成的目标，三个10年下来绝对不是现在这个鬼样子
如果放弃了那真就跪了。本来觉得三哥坚持30年不容易
不放弃还是得跪
从LCA、阿囧到加尔各答，三哥总是想一步登天，而且30年坚持不懈就是要一步登天
早点放弃重新制定个10年能完成的目标，三个10年下来绝对不是现在这个鬼样子
2B_or_not_2B 发表于 2014-11-20 13:00
中国确实扯过蛋走过弯路啊
WS-6什么的不是搞不定下马了么
但愿吧，谁不希望祖国好呢？
中国确实扯过蛋走过弯路啊
WS-6什么的不是搞不定下马了么
但愿吧，谁不希望祖国好呢？
NHPZ 发表于 2014-11-20 12:44
虽然“2010年就上机开始飞行测试了，今年已经投资了9个亿开始建设生产线了”;
还是买了100台RD93，肥 ...
从立项到服役也不过四年多
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这果然是美国。。美。。。国。有没有蜀山剑侠传的感觉？
虽然“2010年就上机开始飞行测试了，今年已经投资了9个亿开始建设生产线了”;
还是买了100台RD93，肥 ...
从立项到服役也不过四年多
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这果然是美国。。美。。。国。有没有蜀山剑侠传的感觉？
按照砖家说的TG发动机也算是能望其项背了，但是为什么每年还要买那么多大毛发动机呢
NHPZ 发表于 2014-11-20 12:44
虽然“2010年就上机开始飞行测试了，今年已经投资了9个亿开始建设生产线了”;
还是买了100台RD93，肥 ...
从立项到服役也不过四年多……真想不到在你们天顶星也有国家叫美国！
虽然“2010年就上机开始飞行测试了，今年已经投资了9个亿开始建设生产线了”;
还是买了100台RD93，肥 ...
从立项到服役也不过四年多……真想不到在你们天顶星也有国家叫美国！