超级军网全球网友评论中国红旗9出口标题要长长长长
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Turkey's acquisition of HQ-9 Air Defense System
土耳其获得红旗九（FD2000）防空导弹系统龙腾网 ht tp://w ww.ltaaa.com
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土耳其人
i am glad, because we will get the tech for our own projects in the future. also there will be no restrictions on the missiles/systems. One thing i was worried was if we could trust chinese systems, but i am sure The military and Defence ministry have figured that out.
我很高兴，因为我们未来会在我们自己的项目里得到技术。也没有导弹系统的条件限制。我只有一个担心，我们是否可以相信中国的系统。但是我确信军方和国防部已经考虑过这一问题了。
土耳其人
FD 2000 CONGRULAT企一匀 CH丁A
FD 2000，恭喜中国。
印度人
China is the only country other then US to develop Anti satellite weapon and demonstrated the world about thier ability and advancement.
So who ever is in doubt about chinese ability should remove the glass of ignorant and search around .Chinese are the only country that will transfer the tech to turkey .
But Because Turkey is Nato Member i think they cannot go for chinese system for security concern of nato member .
中国是除了美国以外唯一一个发展反卫星武器的国家，向世界展示他们的实力。
所以任何怀疑中国能力的人都应该摘掉无知愚昧的眼镜，好好看看。
中国是唯一一个肯向土耳其转移技术的国家。
但是因为土耳其北约成员，因为北约成员的安全问题，我认为他们不能选择中国的系统。
土耳其人
They already have.
The decision for procurement of the Chinese systems has been made today.
已经选好了。
今天已经做出了采购中国系统的决定。
土耳其人
What they offered was better then what our "so called" friends and allies were offering, logical result.
他们提供的比我们称为“朋友和盟友”的人能提供的更多，合乎逻辑的结果。
土耳其人
I supported HQ-9 from the very beginning, it's a good choice, with this incoming new tech we will move faster about our own system.
从一开始我就支持HQ9，这是个好选择，依靠引进的技术我们自己的系统将发展的更快。
巴基斯坦人
Great choice - HQ-9 with TOT will most definitely benefit Turkey in many ways.
好选择，HQ9在很多方面都对土耳其最有利。
罗马尼亚
I never thought things would pan out this way...A NATO country entrusts its main AA system to China...
我从没想过会这样…一个北约国家会放心的将主防空系统交给中国…
土耳其
FD-2000 Export HQ-9
7-24km against cruise missiles
7-50km against air-launched ground attack missiles
7-125km against aircrafts
7-25km against PGMs and tactical ballistic missiles
And we will get the Tech ,so we will have ability to make our own system in 15-30 Years.
Because BMC is now History we can forgot these 8x8 Version :
FD-2000 出口型的 HQ-9
7-24km反巡航导弹
7-50km反空对地导弹
7-125km反飞行器
7-25km反PGM和战术弹道导弹
并且我们会得到技术。所以我们在15~30年内将有能力发展自己的系统。
土耳其
I would like to see the US or NATO comment on this decision.
我想看美国和北约对这个决定的评论。
土耳其
Yeah that's right. It's breaking news in Turkey now, US&NATO is probly shocked about the decision. I'd like to hear Chinese members opinions over that, as well as detailed specs about the system, and the news from Chinese sources. That'd be great if I get them.
没错。现在在土耳其这可是爆炸性新闻。美国和北约可能对这个决定感到震惊。我想要听听中国的观点，特别是关于这一系统的细节，以及中国的新闻。能看到这些就好了。
巴基斯坦
Congrats, having multiple sources for weapons is always a +
Also shows how much Chinese weapon systems have matured over the last decade.
恭喜，武器来源多元化一直很重要（译注：武器来源一元化才是根本，那就是自己造）。
也显示了在过去的十年里中国的武器已经多么成熟。
土耳其
I would like to see the pro's and cons in comparison to the other systems.
我想看看与其他系统比较中的支持与反对。
印度
So turkey will be the second country after Pakistan to Acquired this system .
Bad looking HQ-9 --->
所以土耳其是巴基斯坦之后第二个获得这一系统的国家。
HQ9不好看。
巴基斯坦
Yet better than anything India has !
回楼上，比印度所有的都要好！
土耳其
i hope one thing. this is not bad china production
我希望一件事，不要是差劲的中国产品。
中国
Rest assured，China offers products of varying qualities to suit users with different budgets。
But for Turkey and for a major defence user，you can bet your house on China doing its best and being on its finest。
Apart from affordability，the real good news is that Chinese technologies and systems are fast gaining on its main competitors（US，the EU and Russia）。They are getting better and better。
楼上，放心，中国提供各种质量的产品，取决于不同的预算。
对于土耳其，你可以拿你的房子来打赌中国会做到最好。
除了钱包，好消息是中国的技术正在快速赶上竞争对手（美欧俄）。越来越好了。
印度
A good move here. Win-win for all parties involved.
The Chinese score an export order, showing their hardware good enough to make even a NATO country acquire them
The NATO will have access to a contemporary Chinese weapon system, helping them evaluate it & develop newer counter-measures, if need be.
干得好，双赢的结局。
中国人赢得出口订单，显示了他们的硬件和北约国家提供的一样好。
北约会观察中国同时代的武器系统，帮助他们评估和发展对策，如果需要。
土耳其
I wish we would had chose either Aster-30 or S-300/400
我希望我们选择紫苑30或S300/400。
巴基斯坦
Yes NATO also did a REVERSE ENGINEERING on S-300 (Greece has the S-300).
是的，北约也对S300做了逆向工程（希腊有S300）。
土耳其
What I worry about is, the version that the Chinese folks will give us won't be much effective as they are not stupit enough to give a system like HQ-9 with ToT to a country in Turkey's position...
我担心的是，中国人不会蠢到给我们的版本与他们使用的HQ9相同，对于土耳其这样的国家所处的位置…（译注：名字就不同，FD2000，HQ-9）
巴基斯坦
What are the basis of your suspicions?
楼上，你怀疑的依据是什么？
巴基斯坦
Then why turkey chose HQ-9? What was not present in american or european systems that turkey chose HQ-9?
那么为什么土耳其选择红旗9呢？不是美国或欧洲系统？
加拿大
China's offer is pretty generous - TOT and co-production.
What more can one ask for?
中国的出价更慷慨，技术转让和联合生产。还能要求什么呢？
中国
I'm sure it's one question the Turkish government and experts asked many, many times. You'd think they must have made a sound decision technically and financially. But I think the biggest impact is on the political side. The Turkish government is telling the other big boys that they are an independent country who is not to be forced to buy or not to buy anything from anyone. This might get them into a little bit trouble in the near short term. But it's going to be good for the country in the long run.
For China, of course we enjoy the fact that our weapons are approved by an advanced country in EuropeI just hope the story is true. Fingers crossed
我确定这是一个土耳其政府和专家问过很多次的问题。他们必须考虑技术和经济作出决定。但我认为最大的影响是政治上的。土耳其政府告诉另一个大个我们是独立的国家，想从谁哪买就从谁哪买。这可能在近期会遇到点麻烦。但长期来讲对国家是有利的。
对中国来讲，我们很高兴欧洲的发达国家选择我们的武器。我只希望这件事是真的，祈祷。
土耳其
We already rely on US 100% for our airforce. Having an independant AA network was probably one of the main drivers. And I believe the capabilities of the system were secondary to the generous tech transfer we have been offered (along with 25% cheaper price tag).
我们的空中力量100%依靠美国。拥有独立的防空网可能是主要的驱动力。对于技术转移来讲性能是第二位的（同时便宜25%）。
巴基斯坦
Oh this is going to peeve a few nations. Congrats!
哦，某些国家要生气了。恭喜！
德国
Friends? Countrys cant be friends! They can be allies/partners, but not friends.
Greece do the same.
朋友？国家之间不可能成为朋友！他们只是盟友、伙伴，但不是朋友。
希腊也是这样做的。（译注：指希腊的S300）
中国
To tell you the truth i'm not comfortable with China sharing some of its most advanced SAM technology with a NATO country.
说实话，向北约国家共享最先进的技术我感到不舒服。
土耳其
You have point but China sold his weaponry to a high-end user, Nato member country. This alone proves how much China improved in Defence Industries in the International arena.
楼上，你说的有道理，但是中国将武器卖给了高端用户，北约国家。这已经证明了在国际上中国国防工业的进步。
加拿大
China most likely have better tech in store.
看样子中国还有压箱底的更好的技术。
罗马尼亚
Greece do the same.
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That was a complicate affair,it was win win as the S 300 didn't end up in Cyprus and as far as i know that system isn't fully integrated with NATO.I think that the chinese based turkish system will be stand alone,NATO officials repeatedly said that if they go this way it won't be data linked with NATO.
Or,it could be a win for NATO as they get their hands on a important piece of chinese technology and that was the plan all along.
希腊也这样做
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这个事比较复杂。它是双赢的，因为S300并没有以塞浦路斯终结，并且就我所知系统不和北约的完全兼容。我认为基于中国的土耳其的系统也是独立的。北约官方反复说如果他们这样做将不会和北约有数据连接。
或者别越野是赢家，因为他们能过得到中国技术的重要依据，并且至始至终这都在计划内。
巴基斯坦
China most likely have better tech in store.
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Well every country holds back a brick !
看样子中国还有压箱底的更好的技术。
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每个国家都会留一手！
德国
Understand. Mayby Turkey find a way to switch both (China/Nato) systems, or, they get the technology base for its own (Nato compatible) system. Who knows? China do the same with Russian S-300!
明白！可能土耳其发现转换中国和北约系统的方法，或者他们有自己的技术（与北约兼容），谁知道呢？中国也在S300上做同样的事情。
土耳其
I believe tech transfer is the key here. As long as we have access to the complete source codes including the command and control, I am confident we can find a way to interface them together.
Greece had no way of integration since Russians never shared the tech with them. They would have been required to submit NATO specs to Russians which would abviously be unacceptible whereas we can do the integration ourselves within Turkey.
我相信技术转移是关键。只要我们有完整的原代码包括指令和控制，我确信我们有办法与其他系统连接。
希腊没有办法兼容是因为俄国没有分享技术。他们已经要求俄国执行北约标准，但显然没有被接受。然而我们可以自己解决兼容性的问题。
孟加拉
Communists have penetrated NATO
GCD已经渗透到北约了。
中国
HQ-19 = THAAD & HQ-26 = SM-3
DN-2 is China's unique GEO ASAT and midcourse interception system, China will have these techs in store.
HQ-9 is a mature and reliable tech, but it is far from China's most advanced tech for now.
HQ-19=战区高空防御系统
HQ-26 = SM-3（标准3）
DN-2（动能2）是中国独特的地球静止轨道反卫星和中段拦截系统，这些技术中国会握在手里。
HQ-9是成熟可靠的技术，远远不是中国目前最先进的技术。
土耳其
Isnt the HQ-9 an upgraded variant of the S-300?
楼上，HQ9是S300的升级版本吗？
中国
Nope, HQ-15 is an upgraded Chinese variant of the S-300, but HQ-9 is China's home made, but it only got inspired by some features of the S-300.
Buying HQ-9 is not just buying a Chinese copy of S-300, it is buying a SAM that incorporates both advantage of the S-300 and US patriot from a Chinese perspective.
不是，HQ15是S300的升级版，但是HQ9是自家的产品，但是也受到了S300的启发。
买HQ9并不是买了中国山寨的S300，而是买了结合S300特性和中国对美国爱国者的理解的防空导弹系统。
巴基斯坦
If Greece can have S-300, why cant Turkey have HQ-9s ?
如果希腊有S300，土耳其为什么不能有HQ9？
土耳其
man...it'd be good but, i'm sure that the hellenic s-300s are not the same as Iran's and other nations s-300s.
楼上，伙计，这很好但是我确定希腊的S300与伊朗和其他国家的不同。
巴基斯坦
Iran doesn't have the S-300s. This HQ-9 deal may well include Pakistan as a guarantor, you'll get the top notch gear.
楼上，伊朗没有S300。这次的HQ9交易巴基斯坦可能作为担保人。你们会获得顶级装备的。
土耳其
This puts us in a very strange situation,lets see what happens next.
这使我们处于了奇怪的境地，让我们拭目以待下一步会发生的什么。
土耳其
As latest reports indicated that The requirements of T-LORAMIDS tender changed and The project model is arranged as co-development, co-production for Long range air defence missiles to be selected. Such reports clearly pointed out risen Chinese chance with latest arrangements on tender.
I mean Turkey will use Chinese systems/expertise/some subsystems to develop a Turkish FD-2000 equivalent togather with China and integrate Turkey's network centric warfare environment (I think). Most probably, Exporting rights of Turkish FD-2000 will be owned We will see...
因为最近的报告显示，T-LORAMIDS投标要求改变了，项目方式改为联合发展，联合生产远程导弹系统。这个报告清楚地指出了中国的机会上升了。
我是说在土耳其使用中国的系统和经验和子系统与中国一齐去发展土耳其的FD2000装备，土耳其的网络中心站环境。最可能的是，拥有土耳其FD2000的出口权，我们拭目以待。
巴基斯坦
Excellent decision by Turkey. Now our two Nations can buy more weapons systems from China as their technology develops and with ToT we can do more Joint Ventures between our three countries.
明智的选择，现在我们两个国家从中国买同样的武器系统，因为他们的技术先进和技术转移，我们三个国家可以成立合资公司。
土耳其
EU's Aster-30 and S-30 variant that Russia's gonna offer are more reliable and more advanced. We picked HQ-9 only because it was cheap. Probly, we had to go for the cheap one maybe because we had spented trillions for Syria...etc.
欧洲的紫苑30和S300更可靠先进。我们选择HQ9只是因为更便宜。可能必须买便宜的因为在叙利亚上花费万亿。
中国
I wouldn't say that the Aster is "more advanced", simply because the Chinese missile offers superior range and ceiling as well as powerful AESA radars that are specifically designed to counter LO targets.
楼上，我不认为紫苑更先进，就凭中国的导弹有更远的射程、射高和强大的AESA雷达，为低空目标特别设计。
土耳其
Step by step !
-Tender opened (direct procurement)
-Desicion delayed
-NATO deployed Patriot
-USA offered 2 PAC-3 batteries along with free PAC-3 batteries already stationed in Turkey
-Aselsan/Roketsan collaboration told SSM to develop domestic Long range SAM system.
-SSM changed project model from direct order to co-development with min %50 input
-Desicion given for China, FD-2000
I strongly believe that The missiles developed will be Chinese FD-2000 derivative fully integrated in Turkey's NATO network, Otherwise, Choosing a non-NATO system wthout integration of current existing radar network is just stupidy...
逐步推进
开标（直接采购）
推迟决定
北约部署爱国者
美国提供的2套爱国者3与免费的爱国者3一齐部署在土耳其
Aselsan/Roketsan公司合作开发远程防空导弹
改变项目模式，从直接采购到联合研制
中国中标，FD2000
我十分的相信这个导弹是中国FD2000的衍生本版，可以与土耳其的北约网络完全兼容。选个非北约系统，和现在的雷达网络不兼容是很蠢的。
土耳其
I am all for cooperation with China but i dont know what to expect from this.
We know who the King of stupid decisions is,thats why im cautious.
楼上，我们都期望与中国合作，但是我不知道从中期望些什么。
我们知道谁是晕招之王，这就是为什么我担心。
巴基斯坦
A billion cheaper could be the reason.
It was suppose to be a $4 Billion deal, but China is asking for $3 Billion
便宜了10以就是原因。
原本40亿，中国出价30亿。
土耳其
I really thought the news was fraud..Am i the only one who is not happy with the decision?
我真的希望这个消息是假的。我是唯一一个不喜欢这个决定的人吗？
中国
From what I hear, Turkey has some demands regarding the weapons the US is not willing to meet, or at least not at the price negotiated.
We are way more flexible and far less stubborn. The HQ-9 system is pretty advanced, dealing with the middle eastern situation it is more than enough.
I also hear there will be Chinese investments going into turkey to invest in new facilities on the production and maintenance of the system.
Big step for China to have sold this system and get feed back on it. While turkey gets its defense needs for a price that won't require Turkey to sell it's house.
据我所知，美国不愿以迎合土耳其的要求，至少不是在价格上。
我们的方式更加灵活。HQ9系统是非常先进的，足够应对中东的形势。
我也听说中国会投资和土耳其建立新的机构去生产和维护这个系统。
对中国是一大进步，而土耳其低价满足了国防需要，不需要土耳其卖房子。
土耳其
I hopefull about succes of Hq-9 dealing with Scud variants But Imho opinion that there was 2 main reason for this decision
-ToT was really attractive (I do believe After this project We probable gonna start other Air defence Misiles R&D Project and This project is gonna give us realy good a head start)
-But mostly it is good business
Btw i didnt heard any Chinese investment related to this subject.Can yu give me link about it?
楼上，我希望HQ9可以应对各种飞毛腿导弹，但是我看来有两个主要原因导致这一决定。
技术转移很有吸引力（我确实相信此项目之后我们会开始其他的防空导弹项目研制，这个项目将会给我们一个好的开始）
但是总的来讲这是比好买卖。
但是我没听说中国有投资，你有链接吗？
中国
turkey is greet. they already bought rocket and short rang ballistic missile from china.
and now they buy long rang AA missile...
our next step should be , sell fighter like J10B or J31 to turkey.
向土耳其致意，他们已经从中国买了火箭炮和短程弹道导弹。
现在又买了远程防空导弹。
先一步应该是J10B或J31。
土耳其
thanks but we are working on our own fifth generation fighter
谢谢，但是我们在做自己的5代机。（译注：好吧~~土耳其人一顿吃几碗饭？）
中国
You guys think to much...the most advanced technology will never be sold
想多了吧，永远不会卖最先进的技术。
土耳其
More than weapon system deals. Turky is a power, is important to China.
China should strengthen the political relations with Turkey, should share more experience in weapon reserch and development with Turkey.
不仅仅是武器生意，土耳其是强大的，对中国很重要。
中国应该加强与土耳其的政治关系，应该向土耳其共享更多的武器研发经验。
中国
Should we be really arming a regime like Turkey that has a well known history of being a state sponsor of terror!
They support terrorists in Xinjiang and now support terrorists in Syria.
I don't think I want to be friends or do business with a regime that funds, arms and trains terrorists that do suicide bombings, use chemical weapons on innocent children and is a vassal state of the US.
I feel very uncomfortable supporting these radicals and their regime.
我们真的应该武装像土耳其这样的政权吗？他们有众所周知的支持恐怖主义的历史！
他们支持新疆和叙利亚的恐怖分子。
我认为我不想和资助、武装和训练恐怖分子去做自杀袭击，使用化学武器杀死无辜的孩子的政权交朋友。
巴基斯坦
To my Turkish & Chinese Brethren - Solve your disagreements because this could be that start of a very beneficial partnership for the both of you !
致我的土耳其和中国弟兄们，消除你们的分歧，因为这对两方都有利。
台湾省
China will only sell water down version to Turkey. And Turkey might transfer the first shipment to the US for study and cancel the rest of the deal.
中国只会卖缩水版的给土耳其。土耳其第一时间就会送到美国研究，并取消其余的交易。
巴基斯坦
I trust the Turks not to do that & I trust the Chinese involved in the deal to have placed that in their calculus when they decided to sell it to Turkey !
我相信土耳其不会那样做，我相信中国当决定买给土耳其时就已经考虑到了。（译注：土耳其买HQ9就是为了在北约系统之外另建立一套系统，以防北约翻脸时自己没有还手之力，所以这套系统土耳其也会对外保密，当然我们敢卖就不怕他泄露。）
中国
reputation of a country is important then 3 billion。
国家信用比30亿重要。
台湾省
Since Turkey is a nato member, it would certain pass important info about this missile system to US. China is endangering its own air defense by selling this system to Turkey. I would not be surprise that China withdraw the offer and they are only in it to show its missile is competitive, not to actually sell the missile and its technology.
因为土耳其是北约国家，无疑会通报关于导弹的重要信息给美国。中国使自己的防空陷入危险。我不会惊讶中国撤回这一交易，他们只需是想证明导弹是有竞争力的，不会真的卖导弹技术。
巴基斯坦
I think those consideration would've been debated by China ad nauseam before tabling the offer !
我认为那些担忧在报价之前中国就已经讨论过了。
台湾省
And since they move forward, lets watch their next steps. I still would bet that they would not transfer the tech.
On the side note, I wonder why India didn't offer Brahmos since its the best missile out there. They surely can find a way to make Brahmos an anti air missile. Just like how they converted Kavari engine to a train and boat engine.
让我们看看他们的下一步。我始终度他们不会转移技术。
我疑惑为什么印度不提供布拉莫斯，他是最好的导弹。
他们应该能找出方法把把拉莫斯做成防空导弹，就像他们把Kavari发动机转成火车和船用发动机一样。（译注：这位湾湾真的是奇葩呀，短短3句话槽点成堆呀有没有~~，Kavari的尸体都凉了人还在惦记着~~）
台湾省
the biggest winner of this tender is not China, but the US. US will get the first shipment. China might as well send the first shipment directly to Los Angeles for inspection. And don't worry, Turkey will pay for it.
Don't forget, India has Brahmos. They can use that for AA as well.
最大的赢家不是中国而是美国。美国会得到第一批。中国可能直接发货到洛杉矶，别担心，土耳其会付钱的。
被忘了，印度有布拉莫斯。他们也可以当做防空导弹。
中国
A good joke!
LOL.. The biggest winner is China. In order for the HQ-9 SAM to be integrate with NATO system. It needs the Chinese technician to assess all NATO system in Turkey. China can shoot down western fighter like flies in times of war.
Turkey and western countries are at bad blood. The EU always reject Turkey participation and treat thems as second class citizen. Its time for Turkish to rise and be leader in Europe with China assist.
别忘了，印度有布拉莫斯。他们也可以当做防空导弹。
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笑话不错。
最大的赢家是中国。为了HQ9可以与北约兼容。需要中国技术人员进入所有土耳其的北约系统。中国可以在战时大批击落西方战机。
土耳其和西方不和。欧盟也拒绝土耳其加入，对待他们就像二等公民。在中国的帮助下提升土耳其成为欧洲的领导者正是时候。
台湾省
I don't think US would allow China to assess the NATO system. US would pull out of turkey before this happens. Which is probably underway now.
我认为美国不会允许中国进入北约系统。美国会在这发生前剔除土耳其。现在可能就在进行中了。
中国
Turkey can seek closer to China. Who cares about declining US?
Do you stick with a young and strong man or a old hag?
土耳其可以寻求靠近中国。谁关心衰退的美国？
你喜欢年轻强壮的男人还是老巫婆？
中国
Actually, Greece is a big factor in making S-300 and Patriot out of the bid race for Turkey missile system. That left Europe Aster system as the most credible contender. But I guess the system is overhyped and over priced. Turkish is not impressed. HQ-9 prove far superior and reasonable price.
事实上，希腊是一个大因素使得s300和爱国者竞争中失败。只剩下欧洲的紫苑系统作为最可信赖的供应商。但是我猜这一系统可能吹过头了，并且太贵。没有打动土耳其，HQ9证明是其更加优胜恶和有合理的价格。
台湾省
I love the way faithfulguy stings the Indians. He does it in a very subtle way.
I am not trying to sting them. I just want to acknowledge that they have the ambition to be superpower by creating the video and have all the facebook pages about becoming a superpower.
Very astute point. Greece is a historical enemy of Turkey. But so is Russia. So Turkey would not want to procure a system its enemy can study.
China is far and away from Turkey. So there would be no conflicts between the two.
我太喜欢你讽刺印度的方式了。做得相当微妙。
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我没在讽刺他们，我只是想承认他们有通过制作视频和非死不可的主页来成为超级大国的野心。
非常敏锐的观点，希腊和土耳其是世仇，俄国也是。所以土耳其不想购买敌人能了解的系统。
中国离土耳其很远。所以他们之间没有冲突。
荷兰
We shouldn't have chosen cheap Chinese junk.
我们本不应该选择便宜的中国垃圾。
中国
Haha.. Stupid wolf. Be cry baby. Your personal anti -China view will not derail good r/s of China and Turkey. The real junk is you!
哈哈，你个笨狼（译注：因为那个荷兰2B的名字是atatwolf），爱哭鬼。你个人的反华言论不会影响中土关系。真正的垃圾是你！
塞尔维亚
Too bad that Russians not offered S400,but I understand them,Americans would immediately put a paw on best defence system in world.
So HQ9 is good alternetive way for Turkey if S400 is not in the case!But on the other hand,why Turks dont purchase American products?If I were a Turk i will always purchase NATO products(US especially)becouse US is probably most important Turkish ally,so HQ9 even S400 not that important like US allience.
Yes Turkey is crucial becouse they are most powerful country in the Muslim world.With Turkish allience,US will have 24/7 control over Balkan and Middle East.
俄国没赢太糟了，但是我理解他们，美国总是第一时间插手世界最好的防务系统。
所以对于土耳其红旗九是好的选择， 如果没有S400的话！但是为什么土耳其不买美国货？我国我是土耳其我会一直买北约货，特别是美国货，因为美国是最重要的盟友，HQ9和S400都没有盟友重要。
是的土耳其是重要的国家，因为是穆斯林世界最强大的国家，而且土耳其的盟友美国全天候控制巴尔干半岛和中东。（译注：要是都这个认知水平，塞尔维亚就是被卖的命。）
土耳其
Germany and France dont want Turkey in the EU.
GB would be glad if Turkey was in,they would break the hegemony of Germany and France in the EU.
Turkey will never become a EU member.
德国和法国不想土耳其加入欧盟。
英国是乐见土耳其加入的，这可以打破德法在欧盟的领导。
土耳其永远不会变成欧盟成员。
荷兰
Turkey joining EU would mean Turkey giving up part of its soveignity. Soveignity is holy for Turks. Turks are one of the few in the history who never lost it, we will never give it up and that is why we will never join EU. We are not Greece who gives up soveignity for free-ride. That whole EU-Turkey talks are just politics. Turkish people would never accept a French, German, Brit telling them what to do. Not only for integrity but also historical reasons.
土耳其加入欧盟意味着放弃部分主权。主权对土耳其是神圣的。土耳其是少数几个历史上从未失去它的国家。我们永远不会放弃，那就是为什么我们永远不会加入欧盟的原因。我们不想希腊人可以为了搭便车放弃主权。土耳其永远不会接受法德英告诉他应该做什么。不是因为完整性而是因为历史的原因。Turkey's acquisition of HQ-9 Air Defense System
土耳其获得红旗九（FD2000）防空导弹系统龙腾网 ht tp://w ww.ltaaa.com
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土耳其人
i am glad, because we will get the tech for our own projects in the future. also there will be no restrictions on the missiles/systems. One thing i was worried was if we could trust chinese systems, but i am sure The military and Defence ministry have figured that out.
我很高兴，因为我们未来会在我们自己的项目里得到技术。也没有导弹系统的条件限制。我只有一个担心，我们是否可以相信中国的系统。但是我确信军方和国防部已经考虑过这一问题了。
土耳其人
FD 2000 CONGRULAT企一匀 CH丁A
FD 2000，恭喜中国。
印度人
China is the only country other then US to develop Anti satellite weapon and demonstrated the world about thier ability and advancement.
So who ever is in doubt about chinese ability should remove the glass of ignorant and search around .Chinese are the only country that will transfer the tech to turkey .
But Because Turkey is Nato Member i think they cannot go for chinese system for security concern of nato member .
中国是除了美国以外唯一一个发展反卫星武器的国家，向世界展示他们的实力。
所以任何怀疑中国能力的人都应该摘掉无知愚昧的眼镜，好好看看。
中国是唯一一个肯向土耳其转移技术的国家。
但是因为土耳其北约成员，因为北约成员的安全问题，我认为他们不能选择中国的系统。
土耳其人
They already have.
The decision for procurement of the Chinese systems has been made today.
已经选好了。
今天已经做出了采购中国系统的决定。
土耳其人
What they offered was better then what our "so called" friends and allies were offering, logical result.
他们提供的比我们称为“朋友和盟友”的人能提供的更多，合乎逻辑的结果。
土耳其人
I supported HQ-9 from the very beginning, it's a good choice, with this incoming new tech we will move faster about our own system.
从一开始我就支持HQ9，这是个好选择，依靠引进的技术我们自己的系统将发展的更快。
巴基斯坦人
Great choice - HQ-9 with TOT will most definitely benefit Turkey in many ways.
好选择，HQ9在很多方面都对土耳其最有利。
罗马尼亚
I never thought things would pan out this way...A NATO country entrusts its main AA system to China...
我从没想过会这样…一个北约国家会放心的将主防空系统交给中国…
土耳其
FD-2000 Export HQ-9
7-24km against cruise missiles
7-50km against air-launched ground attack missiles
7-125km against aircrafts
7-25km against PGMs and tactical ballistic missiles
And we will get the Tech ,so we will have ability to make our own system in 15-30 Years.
Because BMC is now History we can forgot these 8x8 Version :
FD-2000 出口型的 HQ-9
7-24km反巡航导弹
7-50km反空对地导弹
7-125km反飞行器
7-25km反PGM和战术弹道导弹
并且我们会得到技术。所以我们在15~30年内将有能力发展自己的系统。
土耳其
I would like to see the US or NATO comment on this decision.
我想看美国和北约对这个决定的评论。
土耳其
Yeah that's right. It's breaking news in Turkey now, US&NATO is probly shocked about the decision. I'd like to hear Chinese members opinions over that, as well as detailed specs about the system, and the news from Chinese sources. That'd be great if I get them.
没错。现在在土耳其这可是爆炸性新闻。美国和北约可能对这个决定感到震惊。我想要听听中国的观点，特别是关于这一系统的细节，以及中国的新闻。能看到这些就好了。
巴基斯坦
Congrats, having multiple sources for weapons is always a +
Also shows how much Chinese weapon systems have matured over the last decade.
恭喜，武器来源多元化一直很重要（译注：武器来源一元化才是根本，那就是自己造）。
也显示了在过去的十年里中国的武器已经多么成熟。
土耳其
I would like to see the pro's and cons in comparison to the other systems.
我想看看与其他系统比较中的支持与反对。
印度
So turkey will be the second country after Pakistan to Acquired this system .
Bad looking HQ-9 --->
所以土耳其是巴基斯坦之后第二个获得这一系统的国家。
HQ9不好看。
巴基斯坦
Yet better than anything India has !
回楼上，比印度所有的都要好！
土耳其
i hope one thing. this is not bad china production
我希望一件事，不要是差劲的中国产品。
中国
Rest assured，China offers products of varying qualities to suit users with different budgets。
But for Turkey and for a major defence user，you can bet your house on China doing its best and being on its finest。
Apart from affordability，the real good news is that Chinese technologies and systems are fast gaining on its main competitors（US，the EU and Russia）。They are getting better and better。
楼上，放心，中国提供各种质量的产品，取决于不同的预算。
对于土耳其，你可以拿你的房子来打赌中国会做到最好。
除了钱包，好消息是中国的技术正在快速赶上竞争对手（美欧俄）。越来越好了。
印度
A good move here. Win-win for all parties involved.
The Chinese score an export order, showing their hardware good enough to make even a NATO country acquire them
The NATO will have access to a contemporary Chinese weapon system, helping them evaluate it & develop newer counter-measures, if need be.
干得好，双赢的结局。
中国人赢得出口订单，显示了他们的硬件和北约国家提供的一样好。
北约会观察中国同时代的武器系统，帮助他们评估和发展对策，如果需要。
土耳其
I wish we would had chose either Aster-30 or S-300/400
我希望我们选择紫苑30或S300/400。
巴基斯坦
Yes NATO also did a REVERSE ENGINEERING on S-300 (Greece has the S-300).
是的，北约也对S300做了逆向工程（希腊有S300）。
土耳其
What I worry about is, the version that the Chinese folks will give us won't be much effective as they are not stupit enough to give a system like HQ-9 with ToT to a country in Turkey's position...
我担心的是，中国人不会蠢到给我们的版本与他们使用的HQ9相同，对于土耳其这样的国家所处的位置…（译注：名字就不同，FD2000，HQ-9）
巴基斯坦
What are the basis of your suspicions?
楼上，你怀疑的依据是什么？
巴基斯坦
Then why turkey chose HQ-9? What was not present in american or european systems that turkey chose HQ-9?
那么为什么土耳其选择红旗9呢？不是美国或欧洲系统？
加拿大
China's offer is pretty generous - TOT and co-production.
What more can one ask for?
中国的出价更慷慨，技术转让和联合生产。还能要求什么呢？
中国
I'm sure it's one question the Turkish government and experts asked many, many times. You'd think they must have made a sound decision technically and financially. But I think the biggest impact is on the political side. The Turkish government is telling the other big boys that they are an independent country who is not to be forced to buy or not to buy anything from anyone. This might get them into a little bit trouble in the near short term. But it's going to be good for the country in the long run.
For China, of course we enjoy the fact that our weapons are approved by an advanced country in EuropeI just hope the story is true. Fingers crossed
我确定这是一个土耳其政府和专家问过很多次的问题。他们必须考虑技术和经济作出决定。但我认为最大的影响是政治上的。土耳其政府告诉另一个大个我们是独立的国家，想从谁哪买就从谁哪买。这可能在近期会遇到点麻烦。但长期来讲对国家是有利的。
对中国来讲，我们很高兴欧洲的发达国家选择我们的武器。我只希望这件事是真的，祈祷。
土耳其
We already rely on US 100% for our airforce. Having an independant AA network was probably one of the main drivers. And I believe the capabilities of the system were secondary to the generous tech transfer we have been offered (along with 25% cheaper price tag).
我们的空中力量100%依靠美国。拥有独立的防空网可能是主要的驱动力。对于技术转移来讲性能是第二位的（同时便宜25%）。
巴基斯坦
Oh this is going to peeve a few nations. Congrats!
哦，某些国家要生气了。恭喜！
德国
Friends? Countrys cant be friends! They can be allies/partners, but not friends.
Greece do the same.
朋友？国家之间不可能成为朋友！他们只是盟友、伙伴，但不是朋友。
希腊也是这样做的。（译注：指希腊的S300）
中国
To tell you the truth i'm not comfortable with China sharing some of its most advanced SAM technology with a NATO country.
说实话，向北约国家共享最先进的技术我感到不舒服。
土耳其
You have point but China sold his weaponry to a high-end user, Nato member country. This alone proves how much China improved in Defence Industries in the International arena.
楼上，你说的有道理，但是中国将武器卖给了高端用户，北约国家。这已经证明了在国际上中国国防工业的进步。
加拿大
China most likely have better tech in store.
看样子中国还有压箱底的更好的技术。
罗马尼亚
Greece do the same.
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That was a complicate affair,it was win win as the S 300 didn't end up in Cyprus and as far as i know that system isn't fully integrated with NATO.I think that the chinese based turkish system will be stand alone,NATO officials repeatedly said that if they go this way it won't be data linked with NATO.
Or,it could be a win for NATO as they get their hands on a important piece of chinese technology and that was the plan all along.
希腊也这样做
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这个事比较复杂。它是双赢的，因为S300并没有以塞浦路斯终结，并且就我所知系统不和北约的完全兼容。我认为基于中国的土耳其的系统也是独立的。北约官方反复说如果他们这样做将不会和北约有数据连接。
或者别越野是赢家，因为他们能过得到中国技术的重要依据，并且至始至终这都在计划内。
巴基斯坦
China most likely have better tech in store.
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Well every country holds back a brick !
看样子中国还有压箱底的更好的技术。
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每个国家都会留一手！
德国
Understand. Mayby Turkey find a way to switch both (China/Nato) systems, or, they get the technology base for its own (Nato compatible) system. Who knows? China do the same with Russian S-300!
明白！可能土耳其发现转换中国和北约系统的方法，或者他们有自己的技术（与北约兼容），谁知道呢？中国也在S300上做同样的事情。
土耳其
I believe tech transfer is the key here. As long as we have access to the complete source codes including the command and control, I am confident we can find a way to interface them together.
Greece had no way of integration since Russians never shared the tech with them. They would have been required to submit NATO specs to Russians which would abviously be unacceptible whereas we can do the integration ourselves within Turkey.
我相信技术转移是关键。只要我们有完整的原代码包括指令和控制，我确信我们有办法与其他系统连接。
希腊没有办法兼容是因为俄国没有分享技术。他们已经要求俄国执行北约标准，但显然没有被接受。然而我们可以自己解决兼容性的问题。
孟加拉
Communists have penetrated NATO
GCD已经渗透到北约了。
中国
HQ-19 = THAAD & HQ-26 = SM-3
DN-2 is China's unique GEO ASAT and midcourse interception system, China will have these techs in store.
HQ-9 is a mature and reliable tech, but it is far from China's most advanced tech for now.
HQ-19=战区高空防御系统
HQ-26 = SM-3（标准3）
DN-2（动能2）是中国独特的地球静止轨道反卫星和中段拦截系统，这些技术中国会握在手里。
HQ-9是成熟可靠的技术，远远不是中国目前最先进的技术。
土耳其
Isnt the HQ-9 an upgraded variant of the S-300?
楼上，HQ9是S300的升级版本吗？
中国
Nope, HQ-15 is an upgraded Chinese variant of the S-300, but HQ-9 is China's home made, but it only got inspired by some features of the S-300.
Buying HQ-9 is not just buying a Chinese copy of S-300, it is buying a SAM that incorporates both advantage of the S-300 and US patriot from a Chinese perspective.
不是，HQ15是S300的升级版，但是HQ9是自家的产品，但是也受到了S300的启发。
买HQ9并不是买了中国山寨的S300，而是买了结合S300特性和中国对美国爱国者的理解的防空导弹系统。
巴基斯坦
If Greece can have S-300, why cant Turkey have HQ-9s ?
如果希腊有S300，土耳其为什么不能有HQ9？
土耳其
man...it'd be good but, i'm sure that the hellenic s-300s are not the same as Iran's and other nations s-300s.
楼上，伙计，这很好但是我确定希腊的S300与伊朗和其他国家的不同。
巴基斯坦
Iran doesn't have the S-300s. This HQ-9 deal may well include Pakistan as a guarantor, you'll get the top notch gear.
楼上，伊朗没有S300。这次的HQ9交易巴基斯坦可能作为担保人。你们会获得顶级装备的。
土耳其
This puts us in a very strange situation,lets see what happens next.
这使我们处于了奇怪的境地，让我们拭目以待下一步会发生的什么。
土耳其
As latest reports indicated that The requirements of T-LORAMIDS tender changed and The project model is arranged as co-development, co-production for Long range air defence missiles to be selected. Such reports clearly pointed out risen Chinese chance with latest arrangements on tender.
I mean Turkey will use Chinese systems/expertise/some subsystems to develop a Turkish FD-2000 equivalent togather with China and integrate Turkey's network centric warfare environment (I think). Most probably, Exporting rights of Turkish FD-2000 will be owned We will see...
因为最近的报告显示，T-LORAMIDS投标要求改变了，项目方式改为联合发展，联合生产远程导弹系统。这个报告清楚地指出了中国的机会上升了。
我是说在土耳其使用中国的系统和经验和子系统与中国一齐去发展土耳其的FD2000装备，土耳其的网络中心站环境。最可能的是，拥有土耳其FD2000的出口权，我们拭目以待。
巴基斯坦
Excellent decision by Turkey. Now our two Nations can buy more weapons systems from China as their technology develops and with ToT we can do more Joint Ventures between our three countries.
明智的选择，现在我们两个国家从中国买同样的武器系统，因为他们的技术先进和技术转移，我们三个国家可以成立合资公司。
土耳其
EU's Aster-30 and S-30 variant that Russia's gonna offer are more reliable and more advanced. We picked HQ-9 only because it was cheap. Probly, we had to go for the cheap one maybe because we had spented trillions for Syria...etc.
欧洲的紫苑30和S300更可靠先进。我们选择HQ9只是因为更便宜。可能必须买便宜的因为在叙利亚上花费万亿。
中国
I wouldn't say that the Aster is "more advanced", simply because the Chinese missile offers superior range and ceiling as well as powerful AESA radars that are specifically designed to counter LO targets.
楼上，我不认为紫苑更先进，就凭中国的导弹有更远的射程、射高和强大的AESA雷达，为低空目标特别设计。
土耳其
Step by step !
-Tender opened (direct procurement)
-Desicion delayed
-NATO deployed Patriot
-USA offered 2 PAC-3 batteries along with free PAC-3 batteries already stationed in Turkey
-Aselsan/Roketsan collaboration told SSM to develop domestic Long range SAM system.
-SSM changed project model from direct order to co-development with min %50 input
-Desicion given for China, FD-2000
I strongly believe that The missiles developed will be Chinese FD-2000 derivative fully integrated in Turkey's NATO network, Otherwise, Choosing a non-NATO system wthout integration of current existing radar network is just stupidy...
逐步推进
开标（直接采购）
推迟决定
北约部署爱国者
美国提供的2套爱国者3与免费的爱国者3一齐部署在土耳其
Aselsan/Roketsan公司合作开发远程防空导弹
改变项目模式，从直接采购到联合研制
中国中标，FD2000
我十分的相信这个导弹是中国FD2000的衍生本版，可以与土耳其的北约网络完全兼容。选个非北约系统，和现在的雷达网络不兼容是很蠢的。
土耳其
I am all for cooperation with China but i dont know what to expect from this.
We know who the King of stupid decisions is,thats why im cautious.
楼上，我们都期望与中国合作，但是我不知道从中期望些什么。
我们知道谁是晕招之王，这就是为什么我担心。
巴基斯坦
A billion cheaper could be the reason.
It was suppose to be a $4 Billion deal, but China is asking for $3 Billion
便宜了10以就是原因。
原本40亿，中国出价30亿。
土耳其
I really thought the news was fraud..Am i the only one who is not happy with the decision?
我真的希望这个消息是假的。我是唯一一个不喜欢这个决定的人吗？
中国
From what I hear, Turkey has some demands regarding the weapons the US is not willing to meet, or at least not at the price negotiated.
We are way more flexible and far less stubborn. The HQ-9 system is pretty advanced, dealing with the middle eastern situation it is more than enough.
I also hear there will be Chinese investments going into turkey to invest in new facilities on the production and maintenance of the system.
Big step for China to have sold this system and get feed back on it. While turkey gets its defense needs for a price that won't require Turkey to sell it's house.
据我所知，美国不愿以迎合土耳其的要求，至少不是在价格上。
我们的方式更加灵活。HQ9系统是非常先进的，足够应对中东的形势。
我也听说中国会投资和土耳其建立新的机构去生产和维护这个系统。
对中国是一大进步，而土耳其低价满足了国防需要，不需要土耳其卖房子。
土耳其
I hopefull about succes of Hq-9 dealing with Scud variants But Imho opinion that there was 2 main reason for this decision
-ToT was really attractive (I do believe After this project We probable gonna start other Air defence Misiles R&D Project and This project is gonna give us realy good a head start)
-But mostly it is good business
Btw i didnt heard any Chinese investment related to this subject.Can yu give me link about it?
楼上，我希望HQ9可以应对各种飞毛腿导弹，但是我看来有两个主要原因导致这一决定。
技术转移很有吸引力（我确实相信此项目之后我们会开始其他的防空导弹项目研制，这个项目将会给我们一个好的开始）
但是总的来讲这是比好买卖。
但是我没听说中国有投资，你有链接吗？
中国
turkey is greet. they already bought rocket and short rang ballistic missile from china.
and now they buy long rang AA missile...
our next step should be , sell fighter like J10B or J31 to turkey.
向土耳其致意，他们已经从中国买了火箭炮和短程弹道导弹。
现在又买了远程防空导弹。
先一步应该是J10B或J31。
土耳其
thanks but we are working on our own fifth generation fighter
谢谢，但是我们在做自己的5代机。（译注：好吧~~土耳其人一顿吃几碗饭？）
中国
You guys think to much...the most advanced technology will never be sold
想多了吧，永远不会卖最先进的技术。
土耳其
More than weapon system deals. Turky is a power, is important to China.
China should strengthen the political relations with Turkey, should share more experience in weapon reserch and development with Turkey.
不仅仅是武器生意，土耳其是强大的，对中国很重要。
中国应该加强与土耳其的政治关系，应该向土耳其共享更多的武器研发经验。
中国
Should we be really arming a regime like Turkey that has a well known history of being a state sponsor of terror!
They support terrorists in Xinjiang and now support terrorists in Syria.
I don't think I want to be friends or do business with a regime that funds, arms and trains terrorists that do suicide bombings, use chemical weapons on innocent children and is a vassal state of the US.
I feel very uncomfortable supporting these radicals and their regime.
我们真的应该武装像土耳其这样的政权吗？他们有众所周知的支持恐怖主义的历史！
他们支持新疆和叙利亚的恐怖分子。
我认为我不想和资助、武装和训练恐怖分子去做自杀袭击，使用化学武器杀死无辜的孩子的政权交朋友。
巴基斯坦
To my Turkish & Chinese Brethren - Solve your disagreements because this could be that start of a very beneficial partnership for the both of you !
致我的土耳其和中国弟兄们，消除你们的分歧，因为这对两方都有利。
台湾省
China will only sell water down version to Turkey. And Turkey might transfer the first shipment to the US for study and cancel the rest of the deal.
中国只会卖缩水版的给土耳其。土耳其第一时间就会送到美国研究，并取消其余的交易。
巴基斯坦
I trust the Turks not to do that & I trust the Chinese involved in the deal to have placed that in their calculus when they decided to sell it to Turkey !
我相信土耳其不会那样做，我相信中国当决定买给土耳其时就已经考虑到了。（译注：土耳其买HQ9就是为了在北约系统之外另建立一套系统，以防北约翻脸时自己没有还手之力，所以这套系统土耳其也会对外保密，当然我们敢卖就不怕他泄露。）
中国
reputation of a country is important then 3 billion。
国家信用比30亿重要。
台湾省
Since Turkey is a nato member, it would certain pass important info about this missile system to US. China is endangering its own air defense by selling this system to Turkey. I would not be surprise that China withdraw the offer and they are only in it to show its missile is competitive, not to actually sell the missile and its technology.
因为土耳其是北约国家，无疑会通报关于导弹的重要信息给美国。中国使自己的防空陷入危险。我不会惊讶中国撤回这一交易，他们只需是想证明导弹是有竞争力的，不会真的卖导弹技术。
巴基斯坦
I think those consideration would've been debated by China ad nauseam before tabling the offer !
我认为那些担忧在报价之前中国就已经讨论过了。
台湾省
And since they move forward, lets watch their next steps. I still would bet that they would not transfer the tech.
On the side note, I wonder why India didn't offer Brahmos since its the best missile out there. They surely can find a way to make Brahmos an anti air missile. Just like how they converted Kavari engine to a train and boat engine.
让我们看看他们的下一步。我始终度他们不会转移技术。
我疑惑为什么印度不提供布拉莫斯，他是最好的导弹。
他们应该能找出方法把把拉莫斯做成防空导弹，就像他们把Kavari发动机转成火车和船用发动机一样。（译注：这位湾湾真的是奇葩呀，短短3句话槽点成堆呀有没有~~，Kavari的尸体都凉了人还在惦记着~~）
台湾省
the biggest winner of this tender is not China, but the US. US will get the first shipment. China might as well send the first shipment directly to Los Angeles for inspection. And don't worry, Turkey will pay for it.
Don't forget, India has Brahmos. They can use that for AA as well.
最大的赢家不是中国而是美国。美国会得到第一批。中国可能直接发货到洛杉矶，别担心，土耳其会付钱的。
被忘了，印度有布拉莫斯。他们也可以当做防空导弹。
中国
A good joke!
LOL.. The biggest winner is China. In order for the HQ-9 SAM to be integrate with NATO system. It needs the Chinese technician to assess all NATO system in Turkey. China can shoot down western fighter like flies in times of war.
Turkey and western countries are at bad blood. The EU always reject Turkey participation and treat thems as second class citizen. Its time for Turkish to rise and be leader in Europe with China assist.
别忘了，印度有布拉莫斯。他们也可以当做防空导弹。
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笑话不错。
最大的赢家是中国。为了HQ9可以与北约兼容。需要中国技术人员进入所有土耳其的北约系统。中国可以在战时大批击落西方战机。
土耳其和西方不和。欧盟也拒绝土耳其加入，对待他们就像二等公民。在中国的帮助下提升土耳其成为欧洲的领导者正是时候。
台湾省
I don't think US would allow China to assess the NATO system. US would pull out of turkey before this happens. Which is probably underway now.
我认为美国不会允许中国进入北约系统。美国会在这发生前剔除土耳其。现在可能就在进行中了。
中国
Turkey can seek closer to China. Who cares about declining US?
Do you stick with a young and strong man or a old hag?
土耳其可以寻求靠近中国。谁关心衰退的美国？
你喜欢年轻强壮的男人还是老巫婆？
中国
Actually, Greece is a big factor in making S-300 and Patriot out of the bid race for Turkey missile system. That left Europe Aster system as the most credible contender. But I guess the system is overhyped and over priced. Turkish is not impressed. HQ-9 prove far superior and reasonable price.
事实上，希腊是一个大因素使得s300和爱国者竞争中失败。只剩下欧洲的紫苑系统作为最可信赖的供应商。但是我猜这一系统可能吹过头了，并且太贵。没有打动土耳其，HQ9证明是其更加优胜恶和有合理的价格。
台湾省
I love the way faithfulguy stings the Indians. He does it in a very subtle way.
I am not trying to sting them. I just want to acknowledge that they have the ambition to be superpower by creating the video and have all the facebook pages about becoming a superpower.
Very astute point. Greece is a historical enemy of Turkey. But so is Russia. So Turkey would not want to procure a system its enemy can study.
China is far and away from Turkey. So there would be no conflicts between the two.
我太喜欢你讽刺印度的方式了。做得相当微妙。
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我没在讽刺他们，我只是想承认他们有通过制作视频和非死不可的主页来成为超级大国的野心。
非常敏锐的观点，希腊和土耳其是世仇，俄国也是。所以土耳其不想购买敌人能了解的系统。
中国离土耳其很远。所以他们之间没有冲突。
荷兰
We shouldn't have chosen cheap Chinese junk.
我们本不应该选择便宜的中国垃圾。
中国
Haha.. Stupid wolf. Be cry baby. Your personal anti -China view will not derail good r/s of China and Turkey. The real junk is you!
哈哈，你个笨狼（译注：因为那个荷兰2B的名字是atatwolf），爱哭鬼。你个人的反华言论不会影响中土关系。真正的垃圾是你！
塞尔维亚
Too bad that Russians not offered S400,but I understand them,Americans would immediately put a paw on best defence system in world.
So HQ9 is good alternetive way for Turkey if S400 is not in the case!But on the other hand,why Turks dont purchase American products?If I were a Turk i will always purchase NATO products(US especially)becouse US is probably most important Turkish ally,so HQ9 even S400 not that important like US allience.
Yes Turkey is crucial becouse they are most powerful country in the Muslim world.With Turkish allience,US will have 24/7 control over Balkan and Middle East.
俄国没赢太糟了，但是我理解他们，美国总是第一时间插手世界最好的防务系统。
所以对于土耳其红旗九是好的选择， 如果没有S400的话！但是为什么土耳其不买美国货？我国我是土耳其我会一直买北约货，特别是美国货，因为美国是最重要的盟友，HQ9和S400都没有盟友重要。
是的土耳其是重要的国家，因为是穆斯林世界最强大的国家，而且土耳其的盟友美国全天候控制巴尔干半岛和中东。（译注：要是都这个认知水平，塞尔维亚就是被卖的命。）
土耳其
Germany and France dont want Turkey in the EU.
GB would be glad if Turkey was in,they would break the hegemony of Germany and France in the EU.
Turkey will never become a EU member.
德国和法国不想土耳其加入欧盟。
英国是乐见土耳其加入的，这可以打破德法在欧盟的领导。
土耳其永远不会变成欧盟成员。
荷兰
Turkey joining EU would mean Turkey giving up part of its soveignity. Soveignity is holy for Turks. Turks are one of the few in the history who never lost it, we will never give it up and that is why we will never join EU. We are not Greece who gives up soveignity for free-ride. That whole EU-Turkey talks are just politics. Turkish people would never accept a French, German, Brit telling them what to do. Not only for integrity but also historical reasons.
土耳其加入欧盟意味着放弃部分主权。主权对土耳其是神圣的。土耳其是少数几个历史上从未失去它的国家。我们永远不会放弃，那就是为什么我们永远不会加入欧盟的原因。我们不想希腊人可以为了搭便车放弃主权。土耳其永远不会接受法德英告诉他应该做什么。不是因为完整性而是因为历史的原因。
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土耳其人
i am glad, because we will get the tech for our own projects in the future. also there will be no restrictions on the missiles/systems. One thing i was worried was if we could trust chinese systems, but i am sure The military and Defence ministry have figured that out.
我很高兴，因为我们未来会在我们自己的项目里得到技术。也没有导弹系统的条件限制。我只有一个担心，我们是否可以相信中国的系统。但是我确信军方和国防部已经考虑过这一问题了。
土耳其人
FD 2000 CONGRULAT企一匀 CH丁A
FD 2000，恭喜中国。
印度人
China is the only country other then US to develop Anti satellite weapon and demonstrated the world about thier ability and advancement.
So who ever is in doubt about chinese ability should remove the glass of ignorant and search around .Chinese are the only country that will transfer the tech to turkey .
But Because Turkey is Nato Member i think they cannot go for chinese system for security concern of nato member .
中国是除了美国以外唯一一个发展反卫星武器的国家，向世界展示他们的实力。
所以任何怀疑中国能力的人都应该摘掉无知愚昧的眼镜，好好看看。
中国是唯一一个肯向土耳其转移技术的国家。
但是因为土耳其北约成员，因为北约成员的安全问题，我认为他们不能选择中国的系统。
土耳其人
They already have.
The decision for procurement of the Chinese systems has been made today.
已经选好了。
今天已经做出了采购中国系统的决定。
土耳其人
What they offered was better then what our "so called" friends and allies were offering, logical result.
他们提供的比我们称为“朋友和盟友”的人能提供的更多，合乎逻辑的结果。
土耳其人
I supported HQ-9 from the very beginning, it's a good choice, with this incoming new tech we will move faster about our own system.
从一开始我就支持HQ9，这是个好选择，依靠引进的技术我们自己的系统将发展的更快。
巴基斯坦人
Great choice - HQ-9 with TOT will most definitely benefit Turkey in many ways.
好选择，HQ9在很多方面都对土耳其最有利。
罗马尼亚
I never thought things would pan out this way...A NATO country entrusts its main AA system to China...
我从没想过会这样…一个北约国家会放心的将主防空系统交给中国…
土耳其
FD-2000 Export HQ-9
7-24km against cruise missiles
7-50km against air-launched ground attack missiles
7-125km against aircrafts
7-25km against PGMs and tactical ballistic missiles
And we will get the Tech ,so we will have ability to make our own system in 15-30 Years.
Because BMC is now History we can forgot these 8x8 Version :
FD-2000 出口型的 HQ-9
7-24km反巡航导弹
7-50km反空对地导弹
7-125km反飞行器
7-25km反PGM和战术弹道导弹
并且我们会得到技术。所以我们在15~30年内将有能力发展自己的系统。
土耳其
I would like to see the US or NATO comment on this decision.
我想看美国和北约对这个决定的评论。
土耳其
Yeah that's right. It's breaking news in Turkey now, US&NATO is probly shocked about the decision. I'd like to hear Chinese members opinions over that, as well as detailed specs about the system, and the news from Chinese sources. That'd be great if I get them.
没错。现在在土耳其这可是爆炸性新闻。美国和北约可能对这个决定感到震惊。我想要听听中国的观点，特别是关于这一系统的细节，以及中国的新闻。能看到这些就好了。
巴基斯坦
Congrats, having multiple sources for weapons is always a +
Also shows how much Chinese weapon systems have matured over the last decade.
恭喜，武器来源多元化一直很重要（译注：武器来源一元化才是根本，那就是自己造）。
也显示了在过去的十年里中国的武器已经多么成熟。
土耳其
I would like to see the pro's and cons in comparison to the other systems.
我想看看与其他系统比较中的支持与反对。
印度
So turkey will be the second country after Pakistan to Acquired this system .
Bad looking HQ-9 --->
所以土耳其是巴基斯坦之后第二个获得这一系统的国家。
HQ9不好看。
巴基斯坦
Yet better than anything India has !
回楼上，比印度所有的都要好！
土耳其
i hope one thing. this is not bad china production
我希望一件事，不要是差劲的中国产品。
中国
Rest assured，China offers products of varying qualities to suit users with different budgets。
But for Turkey and for a major defence user，you can bet your house on China doing its best and being on its finest。
Apart from affordability，the real good news is that Chinese technologies and systems are fast gaining on its main competitors（US，the EU and Russia）。They are getting better and better。
楼上，放心，中国提供各种质量的产品，取决于不同的预算。
对于土耳其，你可以拿你的房子来打赌中国会做到最好。
除了钱包，好消息是中国的技术正在快速赶上竞争对手（美欧俄）。越来越好了。
印度
A good move here. Win-win for all parties involved.
The Chinese score an export order, showing their hardware good enough to make even a NATO country acquire them
The NATO will have access to a contemporary Chinese weapon system, helping them evaluate it & develop newer counter-measures, if need be.
干得好，双赢的结局。
中国人赢得出口订单，显示了他们的硬件和北约国家提供的一样好。
北约会观察中国同时代的武器系统，帮助他们评估和发展对策，如果需要。
土耳其
I wish we would had chose either Aster-30 or S-300/400
我希望我们选择紫苑30或S300/400。
巴基斯坦
Yes NATO also did a REVERSE ENGINEERING on S-300 (Greece has the S-300).
是的，北约也对S300做了逆向工程（希腊有S300）。
土耳其
What I worry about is, the version that the Chinese folks will give us won't be much effective as they are not stupit enough to give a system like HQ-9 with ToT to a country in Turkey's position...
我担心的是，中国人不会蠢到给我们的版本与他们使用的HQ9相同，对于土耳其这样的国家所处的位置…（译注：名字就不同，FD2000，HQ-9）
巴基斯坦
What are the basis of your suspicions?
楼上，你怀疑的依据是什么？
巴基斯坦
Then why turkey chose HQ-9? What was not present in american or european systems that turkey chose HQ-9?
那么为什么土耳其选择红旗9呢？不是美国或欧洲系统？
加拿大
China's offer is pretty generous - TOT and co-production.
What more can one ask for?
中国的出价更慷慨，技术转让和联合生产。还能要求什么呢？
中国
I'm sure it's one question the Turkish government and experts asked many, many times. You'd think they must have made a sound decision technically and financially. But I think the biggest impact is on the political side. The Turkish government is telling the other big boys that they are an independent country who is not to be forced to buy or not to buy anything from anyone. This might get them into a little bit trouble in the near short term. But it's going to be good for the country in the long run.
For China, of course we enjoy the fact that our weapons are approved by an advanced country in EuropeI just hope the story is true. Fingers crossed
我确定这是一个土耳其政府和专家问过很多次的问题。他们必须考虑技术和经济作出决定。但我认为最大的影响是政治上的。土耳其政府告诉另一个大个我们是独立的国家，想从谁哪买就从谁哪买。这可能在近期会遇到点麻烦。但长期来讲对国家是有利的。
对中国来讲，我们很高兴欧洲的发达国家选择我们的武器。我只希望这件事是真的，祈祷。
土耳其
We already rely on US 100% for our airforce. Having an independant AA network was probably one of the main drivers. And I believe the capabilities of the system were secondary to the generous tech transfer we have been offered (along with 25% cheaper price tag).
我们的空中力量100%依靠美国。拥有独立的防空网可能是主要的驱动力。对于技术转移来讲性能是第二位的（同时便宜25%）。
巴基斯坦
Oh this is going to peeve a few nations. Congrats!
哦，某些国家要生气了。恭喜！
德国
Friends? Countrys cant be friends! They can be allies/partners, but not friends.
Greece do the same.
朋友？国家之间不可能成为朋友！他们只是盟友、伙伴，但不是朋友。
希腊也是这样做的。（译注：指希腊的S300）
中国
To tell you the truth i'm not comfortable with China sharing some of its most advanced SAM technology with a NATO country.
说实话，向北约国家共享最先进的技术我感到不舒服。
土耳其
You have point but China sold his weaponry to a high-end user, Nato member country. This alone proves how much China improved in Defence Industries in the International arena.
楼上，你说的有道理，但是中国将武器卖给了高端用户，北约国家。这已经证明了在国际上中国国防工业的进步。
加拿大
China most likely have better tech in store.
看样子中国还有压箱底的更好的技术。
罗马尼亚
Greece do the same.
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That was a complicate affair,it was win win as the S 300 didn't end up in Cyprus and as far as i know that system isn't fully integrated with NATO.I think that the chinese based turkish system will be stand alone,NATO officials repeatedly said that if they go this way it won't be data linked with NATO.
Or,it could be a win for NATO as they get their hands on a important piece of chinese technology and that was the plan all along.
希腊也这样做
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这个事比较复杂。它是双赢的，因为S300并没有以塞浦路斯终结，并且就我所知系统不和北约的完全兼容。我认为基于中国的土耳其的系统也是独立的。北约官方反复说如果他们这样做将不会和北约有数据连接。
或者别越野是赢家，因为他们能过得到中国技术的重要依据，并且至始至终这都在计划内。
巴基斯坦
China most likely have better tech in store.
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Well every country holds back a brick !
看样子中国还有压箱底的更好的技术。
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每个国家都会留一手！
德国
Understand. Mayby Turkey find a way to switch both (China/Nato) systems, or, they get the technology base for its own (Nato compatible) system. Who knows? China do the same with Russian S-300!
明白！可能土耳其发现转换中国和北约系统的方法，或者他们有自己的技术（与北约兼容），谁知道呢？中国也在S300上做同样的事情。
土耳其
I believe tech transfer is the key here. As long as we have access to the complete source codes including the command and control, I am confident we can find a way to interface them together.
Greece had no way of integration since Russians never shared the tech with them. They would have been required to submit NATO specs to Russians which would abviously be unacceptible whereas we can do the integration ourselves within Turkey.
我相信技术转移是关键。只要我们有完整的原代码包括指令和控制，我确信我们有办法与其他系统连接。
希腊没有办法兼容是因为俄国没有分享技术。他们已经要求俄国执行北约标准，但显然没有被接受。然而我们可以自己解决兼容性的问题。
孟加拉
Communists have penetrated NATO
GCD已经渗透到北约了。
中国
HQ-19 = THAAD & HQ-26 = SM-3
DN-2 is China's unique GEO ASAT and midcourse interception system, China will have these techs in store.
HQ-9 is a mature and reliable tech, but it is far from China's most advanced tech for now.
HQ-19=战区高空防御系统
HQ-26 = SM-3（标准3）
DN-2（动能2）是中国独特的地球静止轨道反卫星和中段拦截系统，这些技术中国会握在手里。
HQ-9是成熟可靠的技术，远远不是中国目前最先进的技术。
土耳其
Isnt the HQ-9 an upgraded variant of the S-300?
楼上，HQ9是S300的升级版本吗？
中国
Nope, HQ-15 is an upgraded Chinese variant of the S-300, but HQ-9 is China's home made, but it only got inspired by some features of the S-300.
Buying HQ-9 is not just buying a Chinese copy of S-300, it is buying a SAM that incorporates both advantage of the S-300 and US patriot from a Chinese perspective.
不是，HQ15是S300的升级版，但是HQ9是自家的产品，但是也受到了S300的启发。
买HQ9并不是买了中国山寨的S300，而是买了结合S300特性和中国对美国爱国者的理解的防空导弹系统。
巴基斯坦
If Greece can have S-300, why cant Turkey have HQ-9s ?
如果希腊有S300，土耳其为什么不能有HQ9？
土耳其
man...it'd be good but, i'm sure that the hellenic s-300s are not the same as Iran's and other nations s-300s.
楼上，伙计，这很好但是我确定希腊的S300与伊朗和其他国家的不同。
巴基斯坦
Iran doesn't have the S-300s. This HQ-9 deal may well include Pakistan as a guarantor, you'll get the top notch gear.
楼上，伊朗没有S300。这次的HQ9交易巴基斯坦可能作为担保人。你们会获得顶级装备的。
土耳其
This puts us in a very strange situation,lets see what happens next.
这使我们处于了奇怪的境地，让我们拭目以待下一步会发生的什么。
土耳其
As latest reports indicated that The requirements of T-LORAMIDS tender changed and The project model is arranged as co-development, co-production for Long range air defence missiles to be selected. Such reports clearly pointed out risen Chinese chance with latest arrangements on tender.
I mean Turkey will use Chinese systems/expertise/some subsystems to develop a Turkish FD-2000 equivalent togather with China and integrate Turkey's network centric warfare environment (I think). Most probably, Exporting rights of Turkish FD-2000 will be owned We will see...
因为最近的报告显示，T-LORAMIDS投标要求改变了，项目方式改为联合发展，联合生产远程导弹系统。这个报告清楚地指出了中国的机会上升了。
我是说在土耳其使用中国的系统和经验和子系统与中国一齐去发展土耳其的FD2000装备，土耳其的网络中心站环境。最可能的是，拥有土耳其FD2000的出口权，我们拭目以待。
巴基斯坦
Excellent decision by Turkey. Now our two Nations can buy more weapons systems from China as their technology develops and with ToT we can do more Joint Ventures between our three countries.
明智的选择，现在我们两个国家从中国买同样的武器系统，因为他们的技术先进和技术转移，我们三个国家可以成立合资公司。
土耳其
EU's Aster-30 and S-30 variant that Russia's gonna offer are more reliable and more advanced. We picked HQ-9 only because it was cheap. Probly, we had to go for the cheap one maybe because we had spented trillions for Syria...etc.
欧洲的紫苑30和S300更可靠先进。我们选择HQ9只是因为更便宜。可能必须买便宜的因为在叙利亚上花费万亿。
中国
I wouldn't say that the Aster is "more advanced", simply because the Chinese missile offers superior range and ceiling as well as powerful AESA radars that are specifically designed to counter LO targets.
楼上，我不认为紫苑更先进，就凭中国的导弹有更远的射程、射高和强大的AESA雷达，为低空目标特别设计。
土耳其
Step by step !
-Tender opened (direct procurement)
-Desicion delayed
-NATO deployed Patriot
-USA offered 2 PAC-3 batteries along with free PAC-3 batteries already stationed in Turkey
-Aselsan/Roketsan collaboration told SSM to develop domestic Long range SAM system.
-SSM changed project model from direct order to co-development with min %50 input
-Desicion given for China, FD-2000
I strongly believe that The missiles developed will be Chinese FD-2000 derivative fully integrated in Turkey's NATO network, Otherwise, Choosing a non-NATO system wthout integration of current existing radar network is just stupidy...
逐步推进
开标（直接采购）
推迟决定
北约部署爱国者
美国提供的2套爱国者3与免费的爱国者3一齐部署在土耳其
Aselsan/Roketsan公司合作开发远程防空导弹
改变项目模式，从直接采购到联合研制
中国中标，FD2000
我十分的相信这个导弹是中国FD2000的衍生本版，可以与土耳其的北约网络完全兼容。选个非北约系统，和现在的雷达网络不兼容是很蠢的。
土耳其
I am all for cooperation with China but i dont know what to expect from this.
We know who the King of stupid decisions is,thats why im cautious.
楼上，我们都期望与中国合作，但是我不知道从中期望些什么。
我们知道谁是晕招之王，这就是为什么我担心。
巴基斯坦
A billion cheaper could be the reason.
It was suppose to be a $4 Billion deal, but China is asking for $3 Billion
便宜了10以就是原因。
原本40亿，中国出价30亿。
土耳其
I really thought the news was fraud..Am i the only one who is not happy with the decision?
我真的希望这个消息是假的。我是唯一一个不喜欢这个决定的人吗？
中国
From what I hear, Turkey has some demands regarding the weapons the US is not willing to meet, or at least not at the price negotiated.
We are way more flexible and far less stubborn. The HQ-9 system is pretty advanced, dealing with the middle eastern situation it is more than enough.
I also hear there will be Chinese investments going into turkey to invest in new facilities on the production and maintenance of the system.
Big step for China to have sold this system and get feed back on it. While turkey gets its defense needs for a price that won't require Turkey to sell it's house.
据我所知，美国不愿以迎合土耳其的要求，至少不是在价格上。
我们的方式更加灵活。HQ9系统是非常先进的，足够应对中东的形势。
我也听说中国会投资和土耳其建立新的机构去生产和维护这个系统。
对中国是一大进步，而土耳其低价满足了国防需要，不需要土耳其卖房子。
土耳其
I hopefull about succes of Hq-9 dealing with Scud variants But Imho opinion that there was 2 main reason for this decision
-ToT was really attractive (I do believe After this project We probable gonna start other Air defence Misiles R&D Project and This project is gonna give us realy good a head start)
-But mostly it is good business
Btw i didnt heard any Chinese investment related to this subject.Can yu give me link about it?
楼上，我希望HQ9可以应对各种飞毛腿导弹，但是我看来有两个主要原因导致这一决定。
技术转移很有吸引力（我确实相信此项目之后我们会开始其他的防空导弹项目研制，这个项目将会给我们一个好的开始）
但是总的来讲这是比好买卖。
但是我没听说中国有投资，你有链接吗？
中国
turkey is greet. they already bought rocket and short rang ballistic missile from china.
and now they buy long rang AA missile...
our next step should be , sell fighter like J10B or J31 to turkey.
向土耳其致意，他们已经从中国买了火箭炮和短程弹道导弹。
现在又买了远程防空导弹。
先一步应该是J10B或J31。
土耳其
thanks but we are working on our own fifth generation fighter
谢谢，但是我们在做自己的5代机。（译注：好吧~~土耳其人一顿吃几碗饭？）
中国
You guys think to much...the most advanced technology will never be sold
想多了吧，永远不会卖最先进的技术。
土耳其
More than weapon system deals. Turky is a power, is important to China.
China should strengthen the political relations with Turkey, should share more experience in weapon reserch and development with Turkey.
不仅仅是武器生意，土耳其是强大的，对中国很重要。
中国应该加强与土耳其的政治关系，应该向土耳其共享更多的武器研发经验。
中国
Should we be really arming a regime like Turkey that has a well known history of being a state sponsor of terror!
They support terrorists in Xinjiang and now support terrorists in Syria.
I don't think I want to be friends or do business with a regime that funds, arms and trains terrorists that do suicide bombings, use chemical weapons on innocent children and is a vassal state of the US.
I feel very uncomfortable supporting these radicals and their regime.
我们真的应该武装像土耳其这样的政权吗？他们有众所周知的支持恐怖主义的历史！
他们支持新疆和叙利亚的恐怖分子。
我认为我不想和资助、武装和训练恐怖分子去做自杀袭击，使用化学武器杀死无辜的孩子的政权交朋友。
巴基斯坦
To my Turkish & Chinese Brethren - Solve your disagreements because this could be that start of a very beneficial partnership for the both of you !
致我的土耳其和中国弟兄们，消除你们的分歧，因为这对两方都有利。
台湾省
China will only sell water down version to Turkey. And Turkey might transfer the first shipment to the US for study and cancel the rest of the deal.
中国只会卖缩水版的给土耳其。土耳其第一时间就会送到美国研究，并取消其余的交易。
巴基斯坦
I trust the Turks not to do that & I trust the Chinese involved in the deal to have placed that in their calculus when they decided to sell it to Turkey !
我相信土耳其不会那样做，我相信中国当决定买给土耳其时就已经考虑到了。（译注：土耳其买HQ9就是为了在北约系统之外另建立一套系统，以防北约翻脸时自己没有还手之力，所以这套系统土耳其也会对外保密，当然我们敢卖就不怕他泄露。）
中国
reputation of a country is important then 3 billion。
国家信用比30亿重要。
台湾省
Since Turkey is a nato member, it would certain pass important info about this missile system to US. China is endangering its own air defense by selling this system to Turkey. I would not be surprise that China withdraw the offer and they are only in it to show its missile is competitive, not to actually sell the missile and its technology.
因为土耳其是北约国家，无疑会通报关于导弹的重要信息给美国。中国使自己的防空陷入危险。我不会惊讶中国撤回这一交易，他们只需是想证明导弹是有竞争力的，不会真的卖导弹技术。
巴基斯坦
I think those consideration would've been debated by China ad nauseam before tabling the offer !
我认为那些担忧在报价之前中国就已经讨论过了。
台湾省
And since they move forward, lets watch their next steps. I still would bet that they would not transfer the tech.
On the side note, I wonder why India didn't offer Brahmos since its the best missile out there. They surely can find a way to make Brahmos an anti air missile. Just like how they converted Kavari engine to a train and boat engine.
让我们看看他们的下一步。我始终度他们不会转移技术。
我疑惑为什么印度不提供布拉莫斯，他是最好的导弹。
他们应该能找出方法把把拉莫斯做成防空导弹，就像他们把Kavari发动机转成火车和船用发动机一样。（译注：这位湾湾真的是奇葩呀，短短3句话槽点成堆呀有没有~~，Kavari的尸体都凉了人还在惦记着~~）
台湾省
the biggest winner of this tender is not China, but the US. US will get the first shipment. China might as well send the first shipment directly to Los Angeles for inspection. And don't worry, Turkey will pay for it.
Don't forget, India has Brahmos. They can use that for AA as well.
最大的赢家不是中国而是美国。美国会得到第一批。中国可能直接发货到洛杉矶，别担心，土耳其会付钱的。
被忘了，印度有布拉莫斯。他们也可以当做防空导弹。
中国
A good joke!
LOL.. The biggest winner is China. In order for the HQ-9 SAM to be integrate with NATO system. It needs the Chinese technician to assess all NATO system in Turkey. China can shoot down western fighter like flies in times of war.
Turkey and western countries are at bad blood. The EU always reject Turkey participation and treat thems as second class citizen. Its time for Turkish to rise and be leader in Europe with China assist.
别忘了，印度有布拉莫斯。他们也可以当做防空导弹。
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笑话不错。
最大的赢家是中国。为了HQ9可以与北约兼容。需要中国技术人员进入所有土耳其的北约系统。中国可以在战时大批击落西方战机。
土耳其和西方不和。欧盟也拒绝土耳其加入，对待他们就像二等公民。在中国的帮助下提升土耳其成为欧洲的领导者正是时候。
台湾省
I don't think US would allow China to assess the NATO system. US would pull out of turkey before this happens. Which is probably underway now.
我认为美国不会允许中国进入北约系统。美国会在这发生前剔除土耳其。现在可能就在进行中了。
中国
Turkey can seek closer to China. Who cares about declining US?
Do you stick with a young and strong man or a old hag?
土耳其可以寻求靠近中国。谁关心衰退的美国？
你喜欢年轻强壮的男人还是老巫婆？
中国
Actually, Greece is a big factor in making S-300 and Patriot out of the bid race for Turkey missile system. That left Europe Aster system as the most credible contender. But I guess the system is overhyped and over priced. Turkish is not impressed. HQ-9 prove far superior and reasonable price.
事实上，希腊是一个大因素使得s300和爱国者竞争中失败。只剩下欧洲的紫苑系统作为最可信赖的供应商。但是我猜这一系统可能吹过头了，并且太贵。没有打动土耳其，HQ9证明是其更加优胜恶和有合理的价格。
台湾省
I love the way faithfulguy stings the Indians. He does it in a very subtle way.
I am not trying to sting them. I just want to acknowledge that they have the ambition to be superpower by creating the video and have all the facebook pages about becoming a superpower.
Very astute point. Greece is a historical enemy of Turkey. But so is Russia. So Turkey would not want to procure a system its enemy can study.
China is far and away from Turkey. So there would be no conflicts between the two.
我太喜欢你讽刺印度的方式了。做得相当微妙。
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我没在讽刺他们，我只是想承认他们有通过制作视频和非死不可的主页来成为超级大国的野心。
非常敏锐的观点，希腊和土耳其是世仇，俄国也是。所以土耳其不想购买敌人能了解的系统。
中国离土耳其很远。所以他们之间没有冲突。
荷兰
We shouldn't have chosen cheap Chinese junk.
我们本不应该选择便宜的中国垃圾。
中国
Haha.. Stupid wolf. Be cry baby. Your personal anti -China view will not derail good r/s of China and Turkey. The real junk is you!
哈哈，你个笨狼（译注：因为那个荷兰2B的名字是atatwolf），爱哭鬼。你个人的反华言论不会影响中土关系。真正的垃圾是你！
塞尔维亚
Too bad that Russians not offered S400,but I understand them,Americans would immediately put a paw on best defence system in world.
So HQ9 is good alternetive way for Turkey if S400 is not in the case!But on the other hand,why Turks dont purchase American products?If I were a Turk i will always purchase NATO products(US especially)becouse US is probably most important Turkish ally,so HQ9 even S400 not that important like US allience.
Yes Turkey is crucial becouse they are most powerful country in the Muslim world.With Turkish allience,US will have 24/7 control over Balkan and Middle East.
俄国没赢太糟了，但是我理解他们，美国总是第一时间插手世界最好的防务系统。
所以对于土耳其红旗九是好的选择， 如果没有S400的话！但是为什么土耳其不买美国货？我国我是土耳其我会一直买北约货，特别是美国货，因为美国是最重要的盟友，HQ9和S400都没有盟友重要。
是的土耳其是重要的国家，因为是穆斯林世界最强大的国家，而且土耳其的盟友美国全天候控制巴尔干半岛和中东。（译注：要是都这个认知水平，塞尔维亚就是被卖的命。）
土耳其
Germany and France dont want Turkey in the EU.
GB would be glad if Turkey was in,they would break the hegemony of Germany and France in the EU.
Turkey will never become a EU member.
德国和法国不想土耳其加入欧盟。
英国是乐见土耳其加入的，这可以打破德法在欧盟的领导。
土耳其永远不会变成欧盟成员。
荷兰
Turkey joining EU would mean Turkey giving up part of its soveignity. Soveignity is holy for Turks. Turks are one of the few in the history who never lost it, we will never give it up and that is why we will never join EU. We are not Greece who gives up soveignity for free-ride. That whole EU-Turkey talks are just politics. Turkish people would never accept a French, German, Brit telling them what to do. Not only for integrity but also historical reasons.
土耳其加入欧盟意味着放弃部分主权。主权对土耳其是神圣的。土耳其是少数几个历史上从未失去它的国家。我们永远不会放弃，那就是为什么我们永远不会加入欧盟的原因。我们不想希腊人可以为了搭便车放弃主权。土耳其永远不会接受法德英告诉他应该做什么。不是因为完整性而是因为历史的原因。Turkey's acquisition of HQ-9 Air Defense System
土耳其获得红旗九（FD2000）防空导弹系统龙腾网 ht tp://w ww.ltaaa.com
原帖: h t tp: //w ww.defence.pk/forums/turkey-defence/280068-turkeys-acquisition-hq-9-air-defense-system-updates-discussion-2.html
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土耳其人
i am glad, because we will get the tech for our own projects in the future. also there will be no restrictions on the missiles/systems. One thing i was worried was if we could trust chinese systems, but i am sure The military and Defence ministry have figured that out.
我很高兴，因为我们未来会在我们自己的项目里得到技术。也没有导弹系统的条件限制。我只有一个担心，我们是否可以相信中国的系统。但是我确信军方和国防部已经考虑过这一问题了。
土耳其人
FD 2000 CONGRULAT企一匀 CH丁A
FD 2000，恭喜中国。
印度人
China is the only country other then US to develop Anti satellite weapon and demonstrated the world about thier ability and advancement.
So who ever is in doubt about chinese ability should remove the glass of ignorant and search around .Chinese are the only country that will transfer the tech to turkey .
But Because Turkey is Nato Member i think they cannot go for chinese system for security concern of nato member .
中国是除了美国以外唯一一个发展反卫星武器的国家，向世界展示他们的实力。
所以任何怀疑中国能力的人都应该摘掉无知愚昧的眼镜，好好看看。
中国是唯一一个肯向土耳其转移技术的国家。
但是因为土耳其北约成员，因为北约成员的安全问题，我认为他们不能选择中国的系统。
土耳其人
They already have.
The decision for procurement of the Chinese systems has been made today.
已经选好了。
今天已经做出了采购中国系统的决定。
土耳其人
What they offered was better then what our "so called" friends and allies were offering, logical result.
他们提供的比我们称为“朋友和盟友”的人能提供的更多，合乎逻辑的结果。
土耳其人
I supported HQ-9 from the very beginning, it's a good choice, with this incoming new tech we will move faster about our own system.
从一开始我就支持HQ9，这是个好选择，依靠引进的技术我们自己的系统将发展的更快。
巴基斯坦人
Great choice - HQ-9 with TOT will most definitely benefit Turkey in many ways.
好选择，HQ9在很多方面都对土耳其最有利。
罗马尼亚
I never thought things would pan out this way...A NATO country entrusts its main AA system to China...
我从没想过会这样…一个北约国家会放心的将主防空系统交给中国…
土耳其
FD-2000 Export HQ-9
7-24km against cruise missiles
7-50km against air-launched ground attack missiles
7-125km against aircrafts
7-25km against PGMs and tactical ballistic missiles
And we will get the Tech ,so we will have ability to make our own system in 15-30 Years.
Because BMC is now History we can forgot these 8x8 Version :
FD-2000 出口型的 HQ-9
7-24km反巡航导弹
7-50km反空对地导弹
7-125km反飞行器
7-25km反PGM和战术弹道导弹
并且我们会得到技术。所以我们在15~30年内将有能力发展自己的系统。
土耳其
I would like to see the US or NATO comment on this decision.
我想看美国和北约对这个决定的评论。
土耳其
Yeah that's right. It's breaking news in Turkey now, US&NATO is probly shocked about the decision. I'd like to hear Chinese members opinions over that, as well as detailed specs about the system, and the news from Chinese sources. That'd be great if I get them.
没错。现在在土耳其这可是爆炸性新闻。美国和北约可能对这个决定感到震惊。我想要听听中国的观点，特别是关于这一系统的细节，以及中国的新闻。能看到这些就好了。
巴基斯坦
Congrats, having multiple sources for weapons is always a +
Also shows how much Chinese weapon systems have matured over the last decade.
恭喜，武器来源多元化一直很重要（译注：武器来源一元化才是根本，那就是自己造）。
也显示了在过去的十年里中国的武器已经多么成熟。
土耳其
I would like to see the pro's and cons in comparison to the other systems.
我想看看与其他系统比较中的支持与反对。
印度
So turkey will be the second country after Pakistan to Acquired this system .
Bad looking HQ-9 --->
所以土耳其是巴基斯坦之后第二个获得这一系统的国家。
HQ9不好看。
巴基斯坦
Yet better than anything India has !
回楼上，比印度所有的都要好！
土耳其
i hope one thing. this is not bad china production
我希望一件事，不要是差劲的中国产品。
中国
Rest assured，China offers products of varying qualities to suit users with different budgets。
But for Turkey and for a major defence user，you can bet your house on China doing its best and being on its finest。
Apart from affordability，the real good news is that Chinese technologies and systems are fast gaining on its main competitors（US，the EU and Russia）。They are getting better and better。
楼上，放心，中国提供各种质量的产品，取决于不同的预算。
对于土耳其，你可以拿你的房子来打赌中国会做到最好。
除了钱包，好消息是中国的技术正在快速赶上竞争对手（美欧俄）。越来越好了。
印度
A good move here. Win-win for all parties involved.
The Chinese score an export order, showing their hardware good enough to make even a NATO country acquire them
The NATO will have access to a contemporary Chinese weapon system, helping them evaluate it & develop newer counter-measures, if need be.
干得好，双赢的结局。
中国人赢得出口订单，显示了他们的硬件和北约国家提供的一样好。
北约会观察中国同时代的武器系统，帮助他们评估和发展对策，如果需要。
土耳其
I wish we would had chose either Aster-30 or S-300/400
我希望我们选择紫苑30或S300/400。
巴基斯坦
Yes NATO also did a REVERSE ENGINEERING on S-300 (Greece has the S-300).
是的，北约也对S300做了逆向工程（希腊有S300）。
土耳其
What I worry about is, the version that the Chinese folks will give us won't be much effective as they are not stupit enough to give a system like HQ-9 with ToT to a country in Turkey's position...
我担心的是，中国人不会蠢到给我们的版本与他们使用的HQ9相同，对于土耳其这样的国家所处的位置…（译注：名字就不同，FD2000，HQ-9）
巴基斯坦
What are the basis of your suspicions?
楼上，你怀疑的依据是什么？
巴基斯坦
Then why turkey chose HQ-9? What was not present in american or european systems that turkey chose HQ-9?
那么为什么土耳其选择红旗9呢？不是美国或欧洲系统？
加拿大
China's offer is pretty generous - TOT and co-production.
What more can one ask for?
中国的出价更慷慨，技术转让和联合生产。还能要求什么呢？
中国
I'm sure it's one question the Turkish government and experts asked many, many times. You'd think they must have made a sound decision technically and financially. But I think the biggest impact is on the political side. The Turkish government is telling the other big boys that they are an independent country who is not to be forced to buy or not to buy anything from anyone. This might get them into a little bit trouble in the near short term. But it's going to be good for the country in the long run.
For China, of course we enjoy the fact that our weapons are approved by an advanced country in EuropeI just hope the story is true. Fingers crossed
我确定这是一个土耳其政府和专家问过很多次的问题。他们必须考虑技术和经济作出决定。但我认为最大的影响是政治上的。土耳其政府告诉另一个大个我们是独立的国家，想从谁哪买就从谁哪买。这可能在近期会遇到点麻烦。但长期来讲对国家是有利的。
对中国来讲，我们很高兴欧洲的发达国家选择我们的武器。我只希望这件事是真的，祈祷。
土耳其
We already rely on US 100% for our airforce. Having an independant AA network was probably one of the main drivers. And I believe the capabilities of the system were secondary to the generous tech transfer we have been offered (along with 25% cheaper price tag).
我们的空中力量100%依靠美国。拥有独立的防空网可能是主要的驱动力。对于技术转移来讲性能是第二位的（同时便宜25%）。
巴基斯坦
Oh this is going to peeve a few nations. Congrats!
哦，某些国家要生气了。恭喜！
德国
Friends? Countrys cant be friends! They can be allies/partners, but not friends.
Greece do the same.
朋友？国家之间不可能成为朋友！他们只是盟友、伙伴，但不是朋友。
希腊也是这样做的。（译注：指希腊的S300）
中国
To tell you the truth i'm not comfortable with China sharing some of its most advanced SAM technology with a NATO country.
说实话，向北约国家共享最先进的技术我感到不舒服。
土耳其
You have point but China sold his weaponry to a high-end user, Nato member country. This alone proves how much China improved in Defence Industries in the International arena.
楼上，你说的有道理，但是中国将武器卖给了高端用户，北约国家。这已经证明了在国际上中国国防工业的进步。
加拿大
China most likely have better tech in store.
看样子中国还有压箱底的更好的技术。
罗马尼亚
Greece do the same.
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That was a complicate affair,it was win win as the S 300 didn't end up in Cyprus and as far as i know that system isn't fully integrated with NATO.I think that the chinese based turkish system will be stand alone,NATO officials repeatedly said that if they go this way it won't be data linked with NATO.
Or,it could be a win for NATO as they get their hands on a important piece of chinese technology and that was the plan all along.
希腊也这样做
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这个事比较复杂。它是双赢的，因为S300并没有以塞浦路斯终结，并且就我所知系统不和北约的完全兼容。我认为基于中国的土耳其的系统也是独立的。北约官方反复说如果他们这样做将不会和北约有数据连接。
或者别越野是赢家，因为他们能过得到中国技术的重要依据，并且至始至终这都在计划内。
巴基斯坦
China most likely have better tech in store.
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Well every country holds back a brick !
看样子中国还有压箱底的更好的技术。
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每个国家都会留一手！
德国
Understand. Mayby Turkey find a way to switch both (China/Nato) systems, or, they get the technology base for its own (Nato compatible) system. Who knows? China do the same with Russian S-300!
明白！可能土耳其发现转换中国和北约系统的方法，或者他们有自己的技术（与北约兼容），谁知道呢？中国也在S300上做同样的事情。
土耳其
I believe tech transfer is the key here. As long as we have access to the complete source codes including the command and control, I am confident we can find a way to interface them together.
Greece had no way of integration since Russians never shared the tech with them. They would have been required to submit NATO specs to Russians which would abviously be unacceptible whereas we can do the integration ourselves within Turkey.
我相信技术转移是关键。只要我们有完整的原代码包括指令和控制，我确信我们有办法与其他系统连接。
希腊没有办法兼容是因为俄国没有分享技术。他们已经要求俄国执行北约标准，但显然没有被接受。然而我们可以自己解决兼容性的问题。
孟加拉
Communists have penetrated NATO
GCD已经渗透到北约了。
中国
HQ-19 = THAAD & HQ-26 = SM-3
DN-2 is China's unique GEO ASAT and midcourse interception system, China will have these techs in store.
HQ-9 is a mature and reliable tech, but it is far from China's most advanced tech for now.
HQ-19=战区高空防御系统
HQ-26 = SM-3（标准3）
DN-2（动能2）是中国独特的地球静止轨道反卫星和中段拦截系统，这些技术中国会握在手里。
HQ-9是成熟可靠的技术，远远不是中国目前最先进的技术。
土耳其
Isnt the HQ-9 an upgraded variant of the S-300?
楼上，HQ9是S300的升级版本吗？
中国
Nope, HQ-15 is an upgraded Chinese variant of the S-300, but HQ-9 is China's home made, but it only got inspired by some features of the S-300.
Buying HQ-9 is not just buying a Chinese copy of S-300, it is buying a SAM that incorporates both advantage of the S-300 and US patriot from a Chinese perspective.
不是，HQ15是S300的升级版，但是HQ9是自家的产品，但是也受到了S300的启发。
买HQ9并不是买了中国山寨的S300，而是买了结合S300特性和中国对美国爱国者的理解的防空导弹系统。
巴基斯坦
If Greece can have S-300, why cant Turkey have HQ-9s ?
如果希腊有S300，土耳其为什么不能有HQ9？
土耳其
man...it'd be good but, i'm sure that the hellenic s-300s are not the same as Iran's and other nations s-300s.
楼上，伙计，这很好但是我确定希腊的S300与伊朗和其他国家的不同。
巴基斯坦
Iran doesn't have the S-300s. This HQ-9 deal may well include Pakistan as a guarantor, you'll get the top notch gear.
楼上，伊朗没有S300。这次的HQ9交易巴基斯坦可能作为担保人。你们会获得顶级装备的。
土耳其
This puts us in a very strange situation,lets see what happens next.
这使我们处于了奇怪的境地，让我们拭目以待下一步会发生的什么。
土耳其
As latest reports indicated that The requirements of T-LORAMIDS tender changed and The project model is arranged as co-development, co-production for Long range air defence missiles to be selected. Such reports clearly pointed out risen Chinese chance with latest arrangements on tender.
I mean Turkey will use Chinese systems/expertise/some subsystems to develop a Turkish FD-2000 equivalent togather with China and integrate Turkey's network centric warfare environment (I think). Most probably, Exporting rights of Turkish FD-2000 will be owned We will see...
因为最近的报告显示，T-LORAMIDS投标要求改变了，项目方式改为联合发展，联合生产远程导弹系统。这个报告清楚地指出了中国的机会上升了。
我是说在土耳其使用中国的系统和经验和子系统与中国一齐去发展土耳其的FD2000装备，土耳其的网络中心站环境。最可能的是，拥有土耳其FD2000的出口权，我们拭目以待。
巴基斯坦
Excellent decision by Turkey. Now our two Nations can buy more weapons systems from China as their technology develops and with ToT we can do more Joint Ventures between our three countries.
明智的选择，现在我们两个国家从中国买同样的武器系统，因为他们的技术先进和技术转移，我们三个国家可以成立合资公司。
土耳其
EU's Aster-30 and S-30 variant that Russia's gonna offer are more reliable and more advanced. We picked HQ-9 only because it was cheap. Probly, we had to go for the cheap one maybe because we had spented trillions for Syria...etc.
欧洲的紫苑30和S300更可靠先进。我们选择HQ9只是因为更便宜。可能必须买便宜的因为在叙利亚上花费万亿。
中国
I wouldn't say that the Aster is "more advanced", simply because the Chinese missile offers superior range and ceiling as well as powerful AESA radars that are specifically designed to counter LO targets.
楼上，我不认为紫苑更先进，就凭中国的导弹有更远的射程、射高和强大的AESA雷达，为低空目标特别设计。
土耳其
Step by step !
-Tender opened (direct procurement)
-Desicion delayed
-NATO deployed Patriot
-USA offered 2 PAC-3 batteries along with free PAC-3 batteries already stationed in Turkey
-Aselsan/Roketsan collaboration told SSM to develop domestic Long range SAM system.
-SSM changed project model from direct order to co-development with min %50 input
-Desicion given for China, FD-2000
I strongly believe that The missiles developed will be Chinese FD-2000 derivative fully integrated in Turkey's NATO network, Otherwise, Choosing a non-NATO system wthout integration of current existing radar network is just stupidy...
逐步推进
开标（直接采购）
推迟决定
北约部署爱国者
美国提供的2套爱国者3与免费的爱国者3一齐部署在土耳其
Aselsan/Roketsan公司合作开发远程防空导弹
改变项目模式，从直接采购到联合研制
中国中标，FD2000
我十分的相信这个导弹是中国FD2000的衍生本版，可以与土耳其的北约网络完全兼容。选个非北约系统，和现在的雷达网络不兼容是很蠢的。
土耳其
I am all for cooperation with China but i dont know what to expect from this.
We know who the King of stupid decisions is,thats why im cautious.
楼上，我们都期望与中国合作，但是我不知道从中期望些什么。
我们知道谁是晕招之王，这就是为什么我担心。
巴基斯坦
A billion cheaper could be the reason.
It was suppose to be a $4 Billion deal, but China is asking for $3 Billion
便宜了10以就是原因。
原本40亿，中国出价30亿。
土耳其
I really thought the news was fraud..Am i the only one who is not happy with the decision?
我真的希望这个消息是假的。我是唯一一个不喜欢这个决定的人吗？
中国
From what I hear, Turkey has some demands regarding the weapons the US is not willing to meet, or at least not at the price negotiated.
We are way more flexible and far less stubborn. The HQ-9 system is pretty advanced, dealing with the middle eastern situation it is more than enough.
I also hear there will be Chinese investments going into turkey to invest in new facilities on the production and maintenance of the system.
Big step for China to have sold this system and get feed back on it. While turkey gets its defense needs for a price that won't require Turkey to sell it's house.
据我所知，美国不愿以迎合土耳其的要求，至少不是在价格上。
我们的方式更加灵活。HQ9系统是非常先进的，足够应对中东的形势。
我也听说中国会投资和土耳其建立新的机构去生产和维护这个系统。
对中国是一大进步，而土耳其低价满足了国防需要，不需要土耳其卖房子。
土耳其
I hopefull about succes of Hq-9 dealing with Scud variants But Imho opinion that there was 2 main reason for this decision
-ToT was really attractive (I do believe After this project We probable gonna start other Air defence Misiles R&D Project and This project is gonna give us realy good a head start)
-But mostly it is good business
Btw i didnt heard any Chinese investment related to this subject.Can yu give me link about it?
楼上，我希望HQ9可以应对各种飞毛腿导弹，但是我看来有两个主要原因导致这一决定。
技术转移很有吸引力（我确实相信此项目之后我们会开始其他的防空导弹项目研制，这个项目将会给我们一个好的开始）
但是总的来讲这是比好买卖。
但是我没听说中国有投资，你有链接吗？
中国
turkey is greet. they already bought rocket and short rang ballistic missile from china.
and now they buy long rang AA missile...
our next step should be , sell fighter like J10B or J31 to turkey.
向土耳其致意，他们已经从中国买了火箭炮和短程弹道导弹。
现在又买了远程防空导弹。
先一步应该是J10B或J31。
土耳其
thanks but we are working on our own fifth generation fighter
谢谢，但是我们在做自己的5代机。（译注：好吧~~土耳其人一顿吃几碗饭？）
中国
You guys think to much...the most advanced technology will never be sold
想多了吧，永远不会卖最先进的技术。
土耳其
More than weapon system deals. Turky is a power, is important to China.
China should strengthen the political relations with Turkey, should share more experience in weapon reserch and development with Turkey.
不仅仅是武器生意，土耳其是强大的，对中国很重要。
中国应该加强与土耳其的政治关系，应该向土耳其共享更多的武器研发经验。
中国
Should we be really arming a regime like Turkey that has a well known history of being a state sponsor of terror!
They support terrorists in Xinjiang and now support terrorists in Syria.
I don't think I want to be friends or do business with a regime that funds, arms and trains terrorists that do suicide bombings, use chemical weapons on innocent children and is a vassal state of the US.
I feel very uncomfortable supporting these radicals and their regime.
我们真的应该武装像土耳其这样的政权吗？他们有众所周知的支持恐怖主义的历史！
他们支持新疆和叙利亚的恐怖分子。
我认为我不想和资助、武装和训练恐怖分子去做自杀袭击，使用化学武器杀死无辜的孩子的政权交朋友。
巴基斯坦
To my Turkish & Chinese Brethren - Solve your disagreements because this could be that start of a very beneficial partnership for the both of you !
致我的土耳其和中国弟兄们，消除你们的分歧，因为这对两方都有利。
台湾省
China will only sell water down version to Turkey. And Turkey might transfer the first shipment to the US for study and cancel the rest of the deal.
中国只会卖缩水版的给土耳其。土耳其第一时间就会送到美国研究，并取消其余的交易。
巴基斯坦
I trust the Turks not to do that & I trust the Chinese involved in the deal to have placed that in their calculus when they decided to sell it to Turkey !
我相信土耳其不会那样做，我相信中国当决定买给土耳其时就已经考虑到了。（译注：土耳其买HQ9就是为了在北约系统之外另建立一套系统，以防北约翻脸时自己没有还手之力，所以这套系统土耳其也会对外保密，当然我们敢卖就不怕他泄露。）
中国
reputation of a country is important then 3 billion。
国家信用比30亿重要。
台湾省
Since Turkey is a nato member, it would certain pass important info about this missile system to US. China is endangering its own air defense by selling this system to Turkey. I would not be surprise that China withdraw the offer and they are only in it to show its missile is competitive, not to actually sell the missile and its technology.
因为土耳其是北约国家，无疑会通报关于导弹的重要信息给美国。中国使自己的防空陷入危险。我不会惊讶中国撤回这一交易，他们只需是想证明导弹是有竞争力的，不会真的卖导弹技术。
巴基斯坦
I think those consideration would've been debated by China ad nauseam before tabling the offer !
我认为那些担忧在报价之前中国就已经讨论过了。
台湾省
And since they move forward, lets watch their next steps. I still would bet that they would not transfer the tech.
On the side note, I wonder why India didn't offer Brahmos since its the best missile out there. They surely can find a way to make Brahmos an anti air missile. Just like how they converted Kavari engine to a train and boat engine.
让我们看看他们的下一步。我始终度他们不会转移技术。
我疑惑为什么印度不提供布拉莫斯，他是最好的导弹。
他们应该能找出方法把把拉莫斯做成防空导弹，就像他们把Kavari发动机转成火车和船用发动机一样。（译注：这位湾湾真的是奇葩呀，短短3句话槽点成堆呀有没有~~，Kavari的尸体都凉了人还在惦记着~~）
台湾省
the biggest winner of this tender is not China, but the US. US will get the first shipment. China might as well send the first shipment directly to Los Angeles for inspection. And don't worry, Turkey will pay for it.
Don't forget, India has Brahmos. They can use that for AA as well.
最大的赢家不是中国而是美国。美国会得到第一批。中国可能直接发货到洛杉矶，别担心，土耳其会付钱的。
被忘了，印度有布拉莫斯。他们也可以当做防空导弹。
中国
A good joke!
LOL.. The biggest winner is China. In order for the HQ-9 SAM to be integrate with NATO system. It needs the Chinese technician to assess all NATO system in Turkey. China can shoot down western fighter like flies in times of war.
Turkey and western countries are at bad blood. The EU always reject Turkey participation and treat thems as second class citizen. Its time for Turkish to rise and be leader in Europe with China assist.
别忘了，印度有布拉莫斯。他们也可以当做防空导弹。
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笑话不错。
最大的赢家是中国。为了HQ9可以与北约兼容。需要中国技术人员进入所有土耳其的北约系统。中国可以在战时大批击落西方战机。
土耳其和西方不和。欧盟也拒绝土耳其加入，对待他们就像二等公民。在中国的帮助下提升土耳其成为欧洲的领导者正是时候。
台湾省
I don't think US would allow China to assess the NATO system. US would pull out of turkey before this happens. Which is probably underway now.
我认为美国不会允许中国进入北约系统。美国会在这发生前剔除土耳其。现在可能就在进行中了。
中国
Turkey can seek closer to China. Who cares about declining US?
Do you stick with a young and strong man or a old hag?
土耳其可以寻求靠近中国。谁关心衰退的美国？
你喜欢年轻强壮的男人还是老巫婆？
中国
Actually, Greece is a big factor in making S-300 and Patriot out of the bid race for Turkey missile system. That left Europe Aster system as the most credible contender. But I guess the system is overhyped and over priced. Turkish is not impressed. HQ-9 prove far superior and reasonable price.
事实上，希腊是一个大因素使得s300和爱国者竞争中失败。只剩下欧洲的紫苑系统作为最可信赖的供应商。但是我猜这一系统可能吹过头了，并且太贵。没有打动土耳其，HQ9证明是其更加优胜恶和有合理的价格。
台湾省
I love the way faithfulguy stings the Indians. He does it in a very subtle way.
I am not trying to sting them. I just want to acknowledge that they have the ambition to be superpower by creating the video and have all the facebook pages about becoming a superpower.
Very astute point. Greece is a historical enemy of Turkey. But so is Russia. So Turkey would not want to procure a system its enemy can study.
China is far and away from Turkey. So there would be no conflicts between the two.
我太喜欢你讽刺印度的方式了。做得相当微妙。
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我没在讽刺他们，我只是想承认他们有通过制作视频和非死不可的主页来成为超级大国的野心。
非常敏锐的观点，希腊和土耳其是世仇，俄国也是。所以土耳其不想购买敌人能了解的系统。
中国离土耳其很远。所以他们之间没有冲突。
荷兰
We shouldn't have chosen cheap Chinese junk.
我们本不应该选择便宜的中国垃圾。
中国
Haha.. Stupid wolf. Be cry baby. Your personal anti -China view will not derail good r/s of China and Turkey. The real junk is you!
哈哈，你个笨狼（译注：因为那个荷兰2B的名字是atatwolf），爱哭鬼。你个人的反华言论不会影响中土关系。真正的垃圾是你！
塞尔维亚
Too bad that Russians not offered S400,but I understand them,Americans would immediately put a paw on best defence system in world.
So HQ9 is good alternetive way for Turkey if S400 is not in the case!But on the other hand,why Turks dont purchase American products?If I were a Turk i will always purchase NATO products(US especially)becouse US is probably most important Turkish ally,so HQ9 even S400 not that important like US allience.
Yes Turkey is crucial becouse they are most powerful country in the Muslim world.With Turkish allience,US will have 24/7 control over Balkan and Middle East.
俄国没赢太糟了，但是我理解他们，美国总是第一时间插手世界最好的防务系统。
所以对于土耳其红旗九是好的选择， 如果没有S400的话！但是为什么土耳其不买美国货？我国我是土耳其我会一直买北约货，特别是美国货，因为美国是最重要的盟友，HQ9和S400都没有盟友重要。
是的土耳其是重要的国家，因为是穆斯林世界最强大的国家，而且土耳其的盟友美国全天候控制巴尔干半岛和中东。（译注：要是都这个认知水平，塞尔维亚就是被卖的命。）
土耳其
Germany and France dont want Turkey in the EU.
GB would be glad if Turkey was in,they would break the hegemony of Germany and France in the EU.
Turkey will never become a EU member.
德国和法国不想土耳其加入欧盟。
英国是乐见土耳其加入的，这可以打破德法在欧盟的领导。
土耳其永远不会变成欧盟成员。
荷兰
Turkey joining EU would mean Turkey giving up part of its soveignity. Soveignity is holy for Turks. Turks are one of the few in the history who never lost it, we will never give it up and that is why we will never join EU. We are not Greece who gives up soveignity for free-ride. That whole EU-Turkey talks are just politics. Turkish people would never accept a French, German, Brit telling them what to do. Not only for integrity but also historical reasons.
土耳其加入欧盟意味着放弃部分主权。主权对土耳其是神圣的。土耳其是少数几个历史上从未失去它的国家。我们永远不会放弃，那就是为什么我们永远不会加入欧盟的原因。我们不想希腊人可以为了搭便车放弃主权。土耳其永远不会接受法德英告诉他应该做什么。不是因为完整性而是因为历史的原因。
我觉得这一次红酒的交易不光在政府层面上中土关系进一步加强，在土耳其民间也能促进双方的理解。
这一次运作太漂亮了，将会载入史册。
发帖之前不会看看有没有类似的帖子吗
不拉莫斯改防空导弹，这尼玛黑的漂亮啊
支持不辣摩丝改成防空导弹，今后还可以改成反坦克来自: Android客户端
重复转帖有营养吗？
感觉小巴一直在 做中土的和事佬样子好喜感
火鸡国投靠土鳖时应该已经考虑清楚需要放弃什么了~~~
台湾省
And since they move forward, lets watch their next steps. I still would bet that they would not transfer the tech.
On the side note, I wonder why India didn't offer Brahmos since its the best missile out there. They surely can find a way to make Brahmos an anti air missile. Just like how they converted Kavari engine to a train and boat engine.
让我们看看他们的下一步。我始终度他们不会转移技术。
我疑惑为什么印度不提供布拉莫斯，他是最好的导弹。
他们应该能找出方法把把拉莫斯做成防空导弹，就像他们把Kavari发动机转成火车和船用发动机一样。（译注：这位湾湾真的是奇葩呀，短短3句话槽点成堆呀有没有~~，Kavari的尸体都凉了人还在惦记着~~）
其实最酸的还是台湾人
And since they move forward, lets watch their next steps. I still would bet that they would not transfer the tech.
On the side note, I wonder why India didn't offer Brahmos since its the best missile out there. They surely can find a way to make Brahmos an anti air missile. Just like how they converted Kavari engine to a train and boat engine.
让我们看看他们的下一步。我始终度他们不会转移技术。
我疑惑为什么印度不提供布拉莫斯，他是最好的导弹。
他们应该能找出方法把把拉莫斯做成防空导弹，就像他们把Kavari发动机转成火车和船用发动机一样。（译注：这位湾湾真的是奇葩呀，短短3句话槽点成堆呀有没有~~，Kavari的尸体都凉了人还在惦记着~~）
其实最酸的还是台湾人
那个ww和大陆同志为何要用英文聊？直接汉语艹起
希腊躺枪？
呆巴子真特么恶心
好消息，走美帝路
天一直在变
那些WW是真的WW吗？低智商的WW才是好WW。
还想看看更多国家网友的评论
这是第几篇了？
为什么说巴基斯坦是中国最坚定的盟友？看看这个翻译贴你就明白了...
土耳其
Yeah that's right. It's breaking news in Turkey now, US&NATO is probly shocked about the decision. I'd like to hear Chinese members opinions over that, as well as detailed specs about the system, and the news from Chinese sources. That'd be great if I get them.
没错。现在在土耳其这可是爆炸性新闻。美国和北约可能对这个决定感到震惊。我想要听听中国的观点，特别是关于这一系统的细节，以及中国的新闻。能看到这些就好了。
这位朋友 说实话中国大多数的观点和美国，北约一样震惊
Yeah that's right. It's breaking news in Turkey now, US&NATO is probly shocked about the decision. I'd like to hear Chinese members opinions over that, as well as detailed specs about the system, and the news from Chinese sources. That'd be great if I get them.
没错。现在在土耳其这可是爆炸性新闻。美国和北约可能对这个决定感到震惊。我想要听听中国的观点，特别是关于这一系统的细节，以及中国的新闻。能看到这些就好了。
这位朋友 说实话中国大多数的观点和美国，北约一样震惊这不还是一早就发的那个 没有西方的评论 更期待日韩和台湾评论啊。。
中国和土耳其都是赢家，中国在高端武器领域卖出了产品，获得了不菲的利润，撬动了美国称霸的传统领域，有利于改善同土耳其的关系，促使土耳其放弃支持东突的错误行为；土耳其通过采购中国导弹是向美欧表明自己是独立的主权国家，获取了宝贵的导弹发展技术，有利于土耳其国防工业的发展，节约了大量的资金。
焚寂古剑 发表于 2013-9-28 14:45
不拉莫斯改防空导弹，这尼玛黑的漂亮啊
布朗弹对任何东西，不管是地上跑的还是天上飞的，都有很大的心理阴影，而那些耗资千万不断提高命中精度的导弹就完全没有这个效果
不拉莫斯改防空导弹，这尼玛黑的漂亮啊
布朗弹对任何东西，不管是地上跑的还是天上飞的，都有很大的心理阴影，而那些耗资千万不断提高命中精度的导弹就完全没有这个效果
uibe3205 发表于 2013-9-28 17:02
为什么说巴基斯坦是中国最坚定的盟友？看看这个翻译贴你就明白了...
以后可以改叫巴基斯坦自治区了…………
为什么说巴基斯坦是中国最坚定的盟友？看看这个翻译贴你就明白了...
以后可以改叫巴基斯坦自治区了…………
新人真心求教 （勿喷） 为什么把好东西卖给支持冻秃的土鸡你们都好激动？
无与伦比男 发表于 2013-9-28 19:11
新人真心求教 （勿喷） 为什么把好东西卖给支持冻秃的土鸡你们都好激动？
10年前我们就卖给他了300毫米火箭炮和B611导弹
新人真心求教 （勿喷） 为什么把好东西卖给支持冻秃的土鸡你们都好激动？
10年前我们就卖给他了300毫米火箭炮和B611导弹
布拉莫斯改防空导弹，飞行的电线杆么？
以美帝的尿性，这事还说不好会不会反复，想想阿三的阵风，军购这事容易一波三折啊
智动铅笔 发表于 2013-9-28 18:55
以后可以改叫巴基斯坦自治区了…………
你这样的说法可就非常不妥了，我们要尊重朋友！
以后可以改叫巴基斯坦自治区了…………
你这样的说法可就非常不妥了，我们要尊重朋友！
智动铅笔 发表于 2013-9-28 18:55
以后可以改叫巴基斯坦自治区了…………
大国沙文主义要不得
以后可以改叫巴基斯坦自治区了…………
大国沙文主义要不得
说到底
土鸡知道未来20年可能和他开战的国家里，中国的可能性是最小的
毛子就不说了，一直都跟土鸡不对付
米帝这种没节操的，不定啥时候就把土鸡卖给别人了
欧萌嘛，这群货的节操还不如米帝
比较靠谱的其实还是中国
土鸡知道未来20年可能和他开战的国家里，中国的可能性是最小的
毛子就不说了，一直都跟土鸡不对付
米帝这种没节操的，不定啥时候就把土鸡卖给别人了
欧萌嘛，这群货的节操还不如米帝
比较靠谱的其实还是中国
鬼佬们各种酸，喜闻乐见！
看到ww的评论笑喷了！
巴基斯坦：“To my Turkish & Chinese Brethren - Solve your disagreements because this could be that start of a very beneficial partnership for the both of you !（致我的土耳其和中国弟兄们，消除你们的分歧，因为这对两方都有利。）”
看样子，巴铁真是铁呀。
台湾省：“China will only sell water down version to Turkey. And Turkey might transfer the first shipment to the US for study and cancel the rest of the deal.（中国只会卖缩水版的给土耳其。土耳其第一时间就会送到美国研究，并取消其余的交易。）”
台湾省：“the biggest winner of this tender is not China, but the US. US will get the first shipment. China might as well send the first shipment directly to Los Angeles for inspection. And don't worry, Turkey will pay for it. Don't forget, India has Brahmos. They can use that for AA as well.（最大的赢家不是中国而是美国。美国会得到第一批。中国可能直接发货到洛杉矶，别担心，土耳其会付钱的。 被忘了，印度有布拉莫斯。他们也可以当做防空导弹。）”
{:soso_e113:} WW的思路真心不是一般的奇葩，各种醋坛子打翻了
看样子，巴铁真是铁呀。
台湾省：“China will only sell water down version to Turkey. And Turkey might transfer the first shipment to the US for study and cancel the rest of the deal.（中国只会卖缩水版的给土耳其。土耳其第一时间就会送到美国研究，并取消其余的交易。）”
台湾省：“the biggest winner of this tender is not China, but the US. US will get the first shipment. China might as well send the first shipment directly to Los Angeles for inspection. And don't worry, Turkey will pay for it. Don't forget, India has Brahmos. They can use that for AA as well.（最大的赢家不是中国而是美国。美国会得到第一批。中国可能直接发货到洛杉矶，别担心，土耳其会付钱的。 被忘了，印度有布拉莫斯。他们也可以当做防空导弹。）”
{:soso_e113:} WW的思路真心不是一般的奇葩，各种醋坛子打翻了
还是有很多公正的评论.
个人比较同意31楼的观点
kk9731 发表于 2013-9-28 15:21
感觉小巴一直在 做中土的和事佬样子好喜感
所有发言里面，总体上来说，小巴的发言最好，比几个中国人的发言还好。
当然，最酸的是湾湾的发言。
而最脑残的，是那个塞尔维亚人的发言。原本在他出现之前，我已经觉得湾湾发言最脑残了，但是这个塞尔维亚的帖子一出现，他这一贴的脑残程度可以秒杀前面湾湾的所有发言了，所以湾湾只能退居第二。
kk9731 发表于 2013-9-28 15:21
感觉小巴一直在 做中土的和事佬样子好喜感
所有发言里面，总体上来说，小巴的发言最好，比几个中国人的发言还好。
当然，最酸的是湾湾的发言。
而最脑残的，是那个塞尔维亚人的发言。原本在他出现之前，我已经觉得湾湾发言最脑残了，但是这个塞尔维亚的帖子一出现，他这一贴的脑残程度可以秒杀前面湾湾的所有发言了，所以湾湾只能退居第二。
luzhen_sh323 发表于 2013-9-28 15:29
火鸡国投靠土鳖时应该已经考虑清楚需要放弃什么了~~~
火鸡根本没有投靠土鳖，不要加入自己的傲慢和偏见。火鸡要的是减少对北约的依赖，人家要独立自主，以后更进一步做中东的首领呢。火鸡历史上也曾经是大国，他们的国民心态，和中国人相差不太远。和那些从来没有当过大国的国民，是不一样的。
翻译的发言里面，已经有些发言是太自大了，卖了一样就开始说要卖更多别的东西了，就算你真是这么打算的，也不能现在而且用这样的语气说出来啊。
火鸡国投靠土鳖时应该已经考虑清楚需要放弃什么了~~~
火鸡根本没有投靠土鳖，不要加入自己的傲慢和偏见。火鸡要的是减少对北约的依赖，人家要独立自主，以后更进一步做中东的首领呢。火鸡历史上也曾经是大国，他们的国民心态，和中国人相差不太远。和那些从来没有当过大国的国民，是不一样的。
翻译的发言里面，已经有些发言是太自大了，卖了一样就开始说要卖更多别的东西了，就算你真是这么打算的，也不能现在而且用这样的语气说出来啊。
智动铅笔 发表于 2013-9-28 18:55
以后可以改叫巴基斯坦自治区了…………
别，你说这个最先害怕的是汉人。咱们可以考虑合并越南，合并蒙古，合并南北朝鲜，甚至合并日本，可是坚决不敢合并巴基斯坦。
其实吧，就是因为不是一家，所以才能关系这么好。如果变成自治区了，那些阿塔巴塔什么的，比新疆台湾的捣乱分子更难弄。
以后可以改叫巴基斯坦自治区了…………
别，你说这个最先害怕的是汉人。咱们可以考虑合并越南，合并蒙古，合并南北朝鲜，甚至合并日本，可是坚决不敢合并巴基斯坦。
其实吧，就是因为不是一家，所以才能关系这么好。如果变成自治区了，那些阿塔巴塔什么的，比新疆台湾的捣乱分子更难弄。
hawx 发表于 2013-9-28 20:54
巴基斯坦：“To my Turkish & Chinese Brethren - Solve your disagreements because this could be that s ...
回复里感受到ww深刻的心酸啊
巴基斯坦：“To my Turkish & Chinese Brethren - Solve your disagreements because this could be that s ...
回复里感受到ww深刻的心酸啊
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