路透社:中国在中东的利益风险最大,但毫无能力插手

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By Ben Blanchard

BEIJING (Reuters) - The worsening Syria conflict has exposed an uncomfortable truth behind China's cherished policy of non-interference: Beijing cannot do much to influence events even if it wanted to.

With weak and untested military forces unable to project power in the Middle East, China can only play a low-key role in a region that is crucial for its energy security.

As the United States and its allies gear up for a probable military strike on Syria, raising fears of a regional conflagration, China remains firmly on the sidelines, despite it having much more at stake than some other big powers.

The Middle East is China's largest source of crude oil. Without it, the world's second-largest economy would shudder to a halt. In the first seven months of this year, China imported about 83 million metric tons (91.49 million tons) of crude from the region, half its total, with top suppliers including Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Oman and the United Arab Emirates.

China has few economic interests in Syria itself but believes it has a strategic and diplomatic imperative to ensure Middle East stability and to protect a vital energy source.

Retired Major General Luo Yuan, one of China's most outspoken military figures, told the official People's Daily last year that with so much oil at stake "we cannot think that the issues of Syria and Iran have nothing to do with us".

China insists it is neither backing nor protecting Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, saying it only vetoed U.N. resolutions it thought would worsen the crisis. Beijing has also hosted both government and opposition officials in an attempt to find a political solution, albeit with few results.

Even if the government were to go against its principle of not interfering in the affairs of other countries, the People's Liberation Army (PLA) is still far from capable of all but the most token presence in lands far from home.

"In terms of the PLA becoming actively involved, doing things the United States and its allies plan to do in the next few days, it does not at the moment have the wherewithal to do that," said Ross Babbage, a military analyst in Canberra and a former senior Australian defense official.

China's military, despite making rapid progress in stealth fighter technology and launching its first aircraft carrier, is largely untested. It last fought a war in 1979, against Vietnam, which did not go well for the ill-prepared Chinese.

Chinese ships have participated in anti-piracy patrols off the coast of Somalia, but when it came to evacuating its citizens from Libya in 2011 during fighting there, China was forced to rely mainly on chartering ferries.

The PLA is for now focused on operations in the Pacific, Babbage said.

"But to conduct the sort of operations we're talking about here, into the Mediterranean, they're really not geared for that. Could they do it in 10 years time? Absolutely, if they chose to do it."

President Xi Jinping said last month that becoming a maritime power was an important task for China as "the oceans and seas have an increasingly important strategic status".

NOT YET A SUPERPOWER

Publicly, China has shown few signs of wanting to get more deeply involved in the Middle East, whether militarily or diplomatically, a region it has little experience in, unlike the United States, Russia, Britain or France, the other veto-holding members of the U.N. Security Council.

China has gone through the motions of sending envoys to Syria, and hosting government and opposition officials in Beijing, though some of its diplomatic efforts have come across as insensitive in the Arab world and have provoked a backlash.

Early last year, demonstrators hurled rocks, eggs and tomatoes at the Chinese embassy in the Libyan capital, Tripoli, after Russia and China vetoed a U.N. Security Council resolution backing an Arab plan urging Assad to give up power.

China does not think responsibility for security there lies in China's hands as it has no way to effectively get involved, said Yin Gang, an expert on China's Middle East policies at government think-tank the China Academy of Social Sciences.

"If there is stability that's good for China, and if there is chaos that is bad for China. But China does not have the ability to maintain stability there," Yin said.

"It's impossible, totally impossible. China has no way of using military forces to protect its interests in the Middle East. The best way to protect its interests would be to diversify its oil imports, get more from Russia, from other parts of the world."

For China, the Middle East is also a mysterious region about which the Chinese know little, said Xu Guangyu, a retired major general and now senior adviser to the government-run China Arms Control and Disarmament Association.

"China has no way of knowing what's really going on in these countries," said Xu, who agreed that China's armed forces were simply not up to the task of a Middle Eastern adventure.

"We need to adopt a neutral position," he said.

Still, there has been discussion on the fringes, on websites frequented by hawkish military types, of whether the time is right to re-focus its military for more of a aggressive role in the Middle East.

China effectively relies on a strong U.S. military presence in the region to guarantee stability and the smooth flow of oil, especially through the Strait of Hormuz, which Iran has threatened in the past to close in the event of war.

That could increasingly grate on the Chinese and prompt a strategic re-think, said a diplomatic source who is familiar with China's Middle East policy.

"At some point China is going to say: why should the United States be protecting our oil?"

(Additional reporting by David Lague in HONG KONG; Editing by Robert Birsel and Mark Bendeich)

原文大意就是中国对中东情势无能为力,中东作为中国经济最重要的油源,中国军队无论从能力还是战略上只能扮演被忽略的角色。哪怕中国在中东的利益可能远超美英法。所以超级大国还不能算在中国头上By Ben Blanchard

BEIJING (Reuters) - The worsening Syria conflict has exposed an uncomfortable truth behind China's cherished policy of non-interference: Beijing cannot do much to influence events even if it wanted to.

With weak and untested military forces unable to project power in the Middle East, China can only play a low-key role in a region that is crucial for its energy security.

As the United States and its allies gear up for a probable military strike on Syria, raising fears of a regional conflagration, China remains firmly on the sidelines, despite it having much more at stake than some other big powers.

The Middle East is China's largest source of crude oil. Without it, the world's second-largest economy would shudder to a halt. In the first seven months of this year, China imported about 83 million metric tons (91.49 million tons) of crude from the region, half its total, with top suppliers including Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Oman and the United Arab Emirates.

China has few economic interests in Syria itself but believes it has a strategic and diplomatic imperative to ensure Middle East stability and to protect a vital energy source.

Retired Major General Luo Yuan, one of China's most outspoken military figures, told the official People's Daily last year that with so much oil at stake "we cannot think that the issues of Syria and Iran have nothing to do with us".

China insists it is neither backing nor protecting Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, saying it only vetoed U.N. resolutions it thought would worsen the crisis. Beijing has also hosted both government and opposition officials in an attempt to find a political solution, albeit with few results.

Even if the government were to go against its principle of not interfering in the affairs of other countries, the People's Liberation Army (PLA) is still far from capable of all but the most token presence in lands far from home.

"In terms of the PLA becoming actively involved, doing things the United States and its allies plan to do in the next few days, it does not at the moment have the wherewithal to do that," said Ross Babbage, a military analyst in Canberra and a former senior Australian defense official.

China's military, despite making rapid progress in stealth fighter technology and launching its first aircraft carrier, is largely untested. It last fought a war in 1979, against Vietnam, which did not go well for the ill-prepared Chinese.

Chinese ships have participated in anti-piracy patrols off the coast of Somalia, but when it came to evacuating its citizens from Libya in 2011 during fighting there, China was forced to rely mainly on chartering ferries.

The PLA is for now focused on operations in the Pacific, Babbage said.

"But to conduct the sort of operations we're talking about here, into the Mediterranean, they're really not geared for that. Could they do it in 10 years time? Absolutely, if they chose to do it."

President Xi Jinping said last month that becoming a maritime power was an important task for China as "the oceans and seas have an increasingly important strategic status".

NOT YET A SUPERPOWER

Publicly, China has shown few signs of wanting to get more deeply involved in the Middle East, whether militarily or diplomatically, a region it has little experience in, unlike the United States, Russia, Britain or France, the other veto-holding members of the U.N. Security Council.

China has gone through the motions of sending envoys to Syria, and hosting government and opposition officials in Beijing, though some of its diplomatic efforts have come across as insensitive in the Arab world and have provoked a backlash.

Early last year, demonstrators hurled rocks, eggs and tomatoes at the Chinese embassy in the Libyan capital, Tripoli, after Russia and China vetoed a U.N. Security Council resolution backing an Arab plan urging Assad to give up power.

China does not think responsibility for security there lies in China's hands as it has no way to effectively get involved, said Yin Gang, an expert on China's Middle East policies at government think-tank the China Academy of Social Sciences.

"If there is stability that's good for China, and if there is chaos that is bad for China. But China does not have the ability to maintain stability there," Yin said.

"It's impossible, totally impossible. China has no way of using military forces to protect its interests in the Middle East. The best way to protect its interests would be to diversify its oil imports, get more from Russia, from other parts of the world."

For China, the Middle East is also a mysterious region about which the Chinese know little, said Xu Guangyu, a retired major general and now senior adviser to the government-run China Arms Control and Disarmament Association.

"China has no way of knowing what's really going on in these countries," said Xu, who agreed that China's armed forces were simply not up to the task of a Middle Eastern adventure.

"We need to adopt a neutral position," he said.

Still, there has been discussion on the fringes, on websites frequented by hawkish military types, of whether the time is right to re-focus its military for more of a aggressive role in the Middle East.

China effectively relies on a strong U.S. military presence in the region to guarantee stability and the smooth flow of oil, especially through the Strait of Hormuz, which Iran has threatened in the past to close in the event of war.

That could increasingly grate on the Chinese and prompt a strategic re-think, said a diplomatic source who is familiar with China's Middle East policy.

"At some point China is going to say: why should the United States be protecting our oil?"

(Additional reporting by David Lague in HONG KONG; Editing by Robert Birsel and Mark Bendeich)

原文大意就是中国对中东情势无能为力,中东作为中国经济最重要的油源,中国军队无论从能力还是战略上只能扮演被忽略的角色。哪怕中国在中东的利益可能远超美英法。所以超级大国还不能算在中国头上
所以中国应该名正言顺地发展航母、发展战略运输机,建立海外基地。
就蹲在家里都能躺枪无数,哪敢出去
那就驻军叙利亚吧,如果医生邀请的话。


在中东没有可靠盟友没有海外军事基地,的确只能干瞪眼。

在中东没有可靠盟友没有海外军事基地,的确只能干瞪眼。
辽宁号出列
又没说错。说得自干五们都无言以对了

TG还是插的少啊
真该好好练练了
挺好一副身板不会插
会憋坏的!
郁闷的雄猫 发表于 2013-8-28 20:36
又没说错。说得自干五们都无言以对了

你得意什么!我就不明白你高兴算什么事?为你x爹高兴?也太直白了吧
jacksmith 发表于 2013-8-28 20:27
那就驻军叙利亚吧,如果医生邀请的话。
驻军叙利亚,明显是送羊入虎口
没错,中国的未来在非洲
等TB有1000架Y20的时候,就可以有所作为了。
是啊,兔子只有奋起直追
十年磨一剑,中国会有那一天的。
那么一大串的鸡肠文,被楼主一句话翻译了,果然中文博大精深啊!
jacksmith 发表于 2013-8-28 20:27
那就驻军叙利亚吧,如果医生邀请的话。
好,+10086
中国先搞定东亚和东南亚再说,这是根据地,也是历史传统势力区。
哈哈,中东有我土鳖什么事?中东土鳖一向是打酱油而已,再说了,土鳖眼光太高,中东那片土鳖还不怎么上眼,楼上说对了,非洲才是土鳖的后院。在今后近一个世纪里,黄黑种才是世界发展的首头,白种人世界已经过势了
路透社,是不是暗示中国应该大力发展航母啊?
所以中国不希望中东完全失去平衡
石油很快会耗尽的话,
提高中东的社会水平是需要的
虽然这会增加以色列的风险并拖住美国




中东问题土鳖同样不待见,但事实上,土鳖可能还会成为犹太人的二爹;当土鳖面临mls问题后,仍可支持有台作为一个分化势力而存在,毕竟在历史上,黑衣大食也给土鳖的前朝造成过很多麻烦,来而不往非礼也,你懂的。所以,波斯土鳖要撑起,第二,有台也要撑期,必要时要由祂们两个架起一个巨大的绞肉机
changew 发表于 2013-8-28 21:00
中东问题土鳖同样不待见,但事实上,土鳖可能还会成为犹太人的二爹;当土鳖面临mls问题后,仍可支持有台作 ...
中国是发展中国家,
而美国是超级大国
所以我们发展军备别TM的再说威胁了  我们只是为了保护在中东的红萝卜地
changew 发表于 2013-8-28 20:54
哈哈,中东有我土鳖什么事?中东土鳖一向是打酱油而已,再说了,土鳖眼光太高,中东那片土鳖还不怎么上眼, ...
油价涨个一块钱,当然也不管土鳖什么事,只能干瞪眼。
品天里炎 发表于 2013-8-28 21:03
中国是发展中国家,
而美国是超级大国
嗯,要低调,但是,也要未雨绸缪。

虽然现在不是问题因为油霸们有钱,有好生活。问题出在石油之后,或者技术发展起来了,冷/热聚变技术得到空前的发展,祂们没有什么奔头了,会不会输出点什么意识形态很难说啊。别的不说,有QZS的地方,没准麻烦是少不了的。欧洲的几个斯坦可能会腥风血雨,土鳖嘛也要为这个变天有所准备

虽然说得很难听但基本上是事实,咱的外交不说也罢
changew 发表于 2013-8-28 21:09
嗯,要低调,但是,也要未雨绸缪。

虽然现在不是问题因为油霸们有钱,有好生活。问题出在石油之后,或 ...
陆地通道是对海运的缓解,
而短期内中国不会挑战美国的全球海权
所以以色列要找也是先找俄罗斯吧-_-
400800 发表于 2013-8-28 21:07
油价涨个一块钱,当然也不管土鳖什么事,只能干瞪眼。
瞪眼就瞪眼吧,非盟合同油也不少,提高油价可以,大不了我不要你的油了,多点配额给非拉和波斯。



看一些人得瑟的浑身抖个不停,
兔子还是慢慢来吧,跟着自己的节奏就行了,总有一天会扬眉吐气的。

看一些人得瑟的浑身抖个不停,
兔子还是慢慢来吧,跟着自己的节奏就行了,总有一天会扬眉吐气的。
我们仍是发展中国家,人均排名100多位,叙利亚发生什么事我们都无能为力。中国威胁论可以休矣
那么乱七八糟的地方,那么多乱七八糟的人,中国才不想去淌那浑水呢。
中东根本就没土鳖什么本质的利益,石油是用美欧元买的,又不是用人民币结算,更不是以人民币计价,什么本质嘛利益啊,不过是商人性质,多一点或少一点,蝇头小利而已。我就不信那几个油霸敢对土鳖漫天要价,谁要依赖谁生存呢,先搞清楚
不搅和的好,那地方,太特么复杂了,除非地球灭亡,否则都没的解
changew 发表于 2013-8-28 21:13
瞪眼就瞪眼吧,非盟合同油也不少,提高油价可以,大不了我不要你的油了,多点配额给非拉和波斯。
其他国家也不是慈善机构,中东油价一涨跟着涨。
打仗的事情少插手,多捞钱就是真的,反正谁上台最终都要和天朝做买卖,谁能跟钱有仇呢?
其实,叙利亚没有什么石油,美帝愿意打就打吧。打的最终结果,是俄罗斯失去了势力范围,与我并不相干,就和新闻里说的,现在叙利亚只有40多个中国人。没有多少利益在哪里。
又没说错。说得自干五们都无言以对了
挺乐呵啊,为你干爹起舞吧!
七楼是活的……
国伟二号 发表于 2013-8-28 20:41
驻军叙利亚,明显是送羊入虎口
去,主要是没有石油,要是有石油,兔子可以把叙利亚武装到牙齿
我不高兴。我高兴不高兴,土鳖就是那个样。要正视事实。我只是为某些无脑HKC无下限自干五受到打击而叫好