土耳其防空导弹竞标的最新动态来了 倾向采购红旗9

Turkey’s western allies look puzzled by a looming decision by Ankara to select Chinese long-range anti-missile and air defense systems which they think cannot be integrated into the NATO-sponsored early warning architecture currently deployed on Turkish soil.

“That would certainly leave many of us speechless,” said one senior diplomat from a NATO country. “Turkey has every right to choose its own air defense system but we do not quite understand the logic of opting for a Chinese system with no interoperability with the existing [NATO] assets.”

A NATO ally defense attaché in Ankara said that deploying a Chinese air defense system to protect Turkish airspace could have political repercussions. “Questioning Turkey’s geopolitical trajectory would then be legitimate,” he said.

Turkey’s defense procurement officials are about to wrap up their assessment on four rival solutions in a multibillion dollar program to build advanced long-range anti-missile and air defense systems, strongly leaning toward the Chinese bid. One defense official said that the government had come to the conclusion that the Chinese proposal was technologically satisfactory, allowed sufficient levels of technology transfer and was much cheaper than rival solutions. He said that the decision to select the Chinese contender was awaiting final approvals from Defense Minister Ismet Yilmaz and Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan.

Turkey in January restructured the $4 billion program, dubbed T-LORAMIDS, which had originally been constructed as an off-the-shelf purchase.

The contenders’ off-the-shelf bids would remain valid, but the country’s procurement office, the Undersecretariat for Defense Industries (SSM), would ask bidders to submit parallel, co-production solutions. Erdoğan had given orders for the launch of feasibility studies on the “potential co-production” of the system.

The same month, SSM wrote to the bidders and asked them to send letters of intent for any co-production deal. The bidders are a U.S. partnership of Raytheon and Lockheed Martin, offering the Patriot air defense system; Russia’s Rosoboronexport, marketing the S-300; China’s CPMIEC (China Precision Machinery Export-Import Corp.), offering its HQ-9; and the Italian-French consortium Eurosam, maker of the SAMP/T Aster 30. T-LORAMIDS, has been designed to counter both enemy aircraft and missiles. Turkey presently has no long-range air-defense systems.

Integration problem worries

Western diplomats warn that Turkey may be deprived of the capability to integrate the Chinese-Turkish system into Turkey’s mostly NATO-owned early warning assets.

“I cannot comment on how the [U.S.] administration would react to that. But I can tell you that integrating a Chinese or Chinese-Turkish air defense system into NATO assets may not be a good idea,” a U.S. diplomat said.

Defense sources admit that U.S. officials had warned the “procurement bureaucracy” several times about the potential difficulties in achieving interoperability if Turkey decided to go for a Chinese or a Russian architecture.

“I see that the Turks remain defiant. But I do not think it would be practically possible to integrate neither the air defense nor the anti-missile components of the planned Turkish-Chinese architecture into NATO radars,” a London-based Turkey specialist said. “The Turks would have the same problem if they chose the Russian system, but I think for the Americans China represents a more direct threat.”

About half of Turkey’s network-based air defense picture (radars) have been paid for by NATO, according to a defense official. They are part of the NATO Air Defense Ground Environment. “Turkey can always decide to build a standalone system. But in that case, abstracting the air defense system from NATO assets would mean that Turkey will lose half of its radar capabilities,” said one defense analyst.

He said Turkey would need interface data to make its own air defense architecture interoperable with NATO assets, primarily data on the Identify Friend and Foe system. “This is top secret and cannot be installed into any Chinese system,” the analyst said.

Another major question, he said, is “how would Turkey have in its possession a made-in-China IFF system, and how would that system be integrated into its fleet of F-16 aircraft?”

“There is an important degree of incompatibility here and all in all any Chinese-Turkish co-production program would look problematic,” he said.
July/02/2013



Turkey’s western allies look puzzled by a looming decision by Ankara to select Chinese long-range anti-missile and air defense systems which they think cannot be integrated into the NATO-sponsored early warning architecture currently deployed on Turkish soil.

“That would certainly leave many of us speechless,” said one senior diplomat from a NATO country. “Turkey has every right to choose its own air defense system but we do not quite understand the logic of opting for a Chinese system with no interoperability with the existing [NATO] assets.”

A NATO ally defense attaché in Ankara said that deploying a Chinese air defense system to protect Turkish airspace could have political repercussions. “Questioning Turkey’s geopolitical trajectory would then be legitimate,” he said.

Turkey’s defense procurement officials are about to wrap up their assessment on four rival solutions in a multibillion dollar program to build advanced long-range anti-missile and air defense systems, strongly leaning toward the Chinese bid. One defense official said that the government had come to the conclusion that the Chinese proposal was technologically satisfactory, allowed sufficient levels of technology transfer and was much cheaper than rival solutions. He said that the decision to select the Chinese contender was awaiting final approvals from Defense Minister Ismet Yilmaz and Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan.

Turkey in January restructured the $4 billion program, dubbed T-LORAMIDS, which had originally been constructed as an off-the-shelf purchase.

The contenders’ off-the-shelf bids would remain valid, but the country’s procurement office, the Undersecretariat for Defense Industries (SSM), would ask bidders to submit parallel, co-production solutions. Erdoğan had given orders for the launch of feasibility studies on the “potential co-production” of the system.

The same month, SSM wrote to the bidders and asked them to send letters of intent for any co-production deal. The bidders are a U.S. partnership of Raytheon and Lockheed Martin, offering the Patriot air defense system; Russia’s Rosoboronexport, marketing the S-300; China’s CPMIEC (China Precision Machinery Export-Import Corp.), offering its HQ-9; and the Italian-French consortium Eurosam, maker of the SAMP/T Aster 30. T-LORAMIDS, has been designed to counter both enemy aircraft and missiles. Turkey presently has no long-range air-defense systems.

Integration problem worries

Western diplomats warn that Turkey may be deprived of the capability to integrate the Chinese-Turkish system into Turkey’s mostly NATO-owned early warning assets.

“I cannot comment on how the [U.S.] administration would react to that. But I can tell you that integrating a Chinese or Chinese-Turkish air defense system into NATO assets may not be a good idea,” a U.S. diplomat said.

Defense sources admit that U.S. officials had warned the “procurement bureaucracy” several times about the potential difficulties in achieving interoperability if Turkey decided to go for a Chinese or a Russian architecture.

“I see that the Turks remain defiant. But I do not think it would be practically possible to integrate neither the air defense nor the anti-missile components of the planned Turkish-Chinese architecture into NATO radars,” a London-based Turkey specialist said. “The Turks would have the same problem if they chose the Russian system, but I think for the Americans China represents a more direct threat.”

About half of Turkey’s network-based air defense picture (radars) have been paid for by NATO, according to a defense official. They are part of the NATO Air Defense Ground Environment. “Turkey can always decide to build a standalone system. But in that case, abstracting the air defense system from NATO assets would mean that Turkey will lose half of its radar capabilities,” said one defense analyst.

He said Turkey would need interface data to make its own air defense architecture interoperable with NATO assets, primarily data on the Identify Friend and Foe system. “This is top secret and cannot be installed into any Chinese system,” the analyst said.

Another major question, he said, is “how would Turkey have in its possession a made-in-China IFF system, and how would that system be integrated into its fleet of F-16 aircraft?”

“There is an important degree of incompatibility here and all in all any Chinese-Turkish co-production program would look problematic,” he said.
July/02/2013

  Ankara’s move to Chinese air systems appals NATO allies
安卡拉倾向中国防空系统使北约盟友惊恐

他敢要红酒明天晚上就没饭吃

这消息不是早就出来了么

请不要说方言！！！！！ 哥凌乱了……真心不懂

他敢要红酒明天早上爱国者3就降价…

火鸡还在砍价

我怎么觉得这个话题的周期率堪比SU35呢？

土耳其其实可以使用红旗九做一个独立的防御体系，不必与北约的兼容。两者可以共存嘛。

一边培养反tg恐怖分子，一边要买tg武器，这算不算人格分裂？

tmd168 发表于 2013-7-5 13:02
一边培养反tg恐怖分子，一边要买tg武器，这算不算人格分裂？
一面反恐，一面用优惠的价格出售武器和制造技术给支持恐怖主义的国家，这算什么？

lw555 发表于 2013-7-5 13:02
土耳其其实可以使用红旗九做一个独立的防御体系，不必与北约的兼容。两者可以共存嘛。
钱多烧的

Turkey’s defense procurement officials are about to wrap up their assessment on four rival solutions in a multibillion dollar program to build advanced long-range anti-missile and air defense systems, strongly leaning toward the Chinese bid. One defense official said that the government had come to the conclusion that the Chinese proposal was technologically satisfactory, allowed sufficient levels of technology transfer and was much cheaper than rival solutions. He said that the decision to select the Chinese contender was awaiting final approvals from Defense Minister Ismet Yilmaz and Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan.

土耳其国防采购官员即将收官四个竞争对手的解决方案，在一个价值数十亿美元的计划，以建立先进的远程反导和防空系统，强烈倾向于中国的方案评估。一位国防官员说，政府已经得出的结论，中国的建议在技术上是令人满意的，允许足够的技术转让程度，比竞争对手的解决方案要便宜很多。他说，决定选择中国方案正在等待国防防部长伊斯梅特·耶尔马兹和总理雷杰普·塔伊普·埃尔多安的最后批准。

还没买完'我去

如果竞标成功，上个月的广场示威人群功不可没。

这个好像是前段时间的旧闻了。

我爱170 发表于 2013-7-5 13:50
这个好像是前段时间的旧闻了。
7月2日 土媒消息  http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com ... ies.aspx?pageID=238nID=49835NewsCatID=483

tt1314 发表于 2013-7-5 13:11
钱多烧的
只要部分使用红旗9就比全部使用北约的便宜很多

要是红旗9还能技术转让
那说明国内已经有新一代产品了

做做姿态谁不会啊，火鸡国也不是什么好鸟

天策府属 发表于 2013-7-5 13:42
如果竞标成功，上个月的广场示威人群功不可没。
毫无关系 东西质优价廉  买不买就看土国抗压能力了。

美国干爹怎么可能同意？真敢买了，穆尔西就是榜样。

很想知道，红酒在土鸡国是怎么露脸的。

红酒是好酒就看土鸡扛得住否。

咱们是不是有技术转让啊？

lw555 发表于 2013-7-5 13:02
土耳其其实可以使用红旗九做一个独立的防御体系，不必与北约的兼容。两者可以共存嘛。
然后呢？北约的飞机飞过去被红9打掉？敌我识别不同怎么用？要通用肯定就是泄露北约的代码

干嘛要与北约兼容？有病啊？

自己搞一套，用土鳖不错的技术、极低的价格和优惠贷款，多好。

病的不轻的人才选择美国货欧洲系统。

2LAR 发表于 2013-7-5 15:04
干嘛要与北约兼容？有病啊？

自己搞一套，用土鳖不错的技术、极低的价格和优惠贷款，多好。
楼上已经给你解释了这个问题，你以为人人都是三哥嘛？

然后呢？北约的飞机飞过去被红9打掉？敌我识别不同怎么用？要通用肯定就是泄露北约的代码
土鸡很有野心看中技术转移 以后可以利用红酒得技术推出自己的版本。

唉儿多安敢要红酒,明天木耳西就是它的下场

wuxuba 发表于 2013-7-5 15:11
土鸡很有野心看中技术转移 以后可以利用红酒得技术推出自己的版本。
关键是这货脑残，加入北约，结果人家就没把他当人看，这个不卖那个不给。好处全没，有事你出头。伊拉克战争时他没少当杠头。现在不能说红酒只为压价，可能是他战略方向从西转东，既然西方不可能，那就两边倒，最好能树立起自己的军工体系。要是不行也是两边靠拿好处。

西门吸血 发表于 2013-7-5 12:58
他敢要红酒明天早上爱国者3就降价…
然后火鸡目的达到。

TG不卖了。要买的话，先把境内的DT抓了，遣返回TG在说。

不管最终采购结果，至少说明红九是确实够格的放空体系主力装备，性能上是达到主流标准的

熟练工人 发表于 2013-7-5 14:37
毫无关系 东西质优价廉  买不买就看土国抗压能力了。
但最后一票得埃尔多安自己投下去，广场示威事件大大恶化了他和欧美的关系，拿nq9来向欧美示威不是不可想象。国际军购很少有纯粹军方拍板的案例，一般都要涉及到政治。

无论买不买 反正中国武器的名声是打出去了 未来肯定有其他国家抢着要的

比如印尼  埃及 甚至巴西 阿根廷 这些自以为是大国又想独立自主的国家最喜欢这些可以技术转让 又先进又便宜的武器了

土鸡还是想要技术的，土鸡在北约和欧盟一直被另眼看待，害怕北约和欧盟万一哪天对其技术封锁

lw555 发表于 2013-7-5 13:02
土耳其其实可以使用红旗九做一个独立的防御体系，不必与北约的兼容。两者可以共存嘛。
不仅是防空导弹的问题，还有预警系统、战机敌我识别的问题。土耳其的预警机和战机都是北约货，中国的导弹可是不认识北约战机，三次机会，不回应者一律直接发射导弹将F-16击落。这个麻烦事的确很多。

我怎么觉得这事完全可能因为抗议活动黄了啊，还有LHD项目
小钱钱啊