美电船公司将从两种方案中选择用以帮助西班牙解决潜艇超 ...

强行拉伸脊柱或者切除部分肾脏，小西你选一样吧……

看来还是AIP不给力；如够劲道，也早推进了。

搞得跟三哥一样奇葩了

已经建成了，现在想增加长度恐怕不太容易吧。一刀下去两截，然后加一段带合上。加上适当的配重。

换发动机，明摆着是说你的不如我的好，买一套吧。

带额外的气囊。

有潜艇专用救生圈卖么？亲。。。

这个方案

4分之1？这个折扣打得

好了，当年澳洲造柯林斯或英国造机敏级出了问题都请出美国救援，现在轮西班牙了。

AIP就是美国产品，现在还没试航，八成陆地测试已经发现不如理想。

好了，当年澳洲造柯林斯或英国造机敏级出了问题都请出美国救援，现在轮西班牙了。

AIP就是美国产品，现在还没试航，八成陆地测试已经发现不如理想。

找个收旧货的去   这个有什么用  给我  那个屌玩意有屁用 归我  鸡巴门这么小 割一圈给我  ～
体重立减！！！！！

我有个办法，保证解决问题，而且不用改潜艇。
看看超重多少，然后买艘二手的小货船，船底焊上链子，链子挂在潜艇上面。

onepiece 发表于 2013-6-6 21:49
好了，当年澳洲造柯林斯或英国造机敏级出了问题都请出美国救援，现在轮西班牙了。

AIP就是美国产品，现在 ...
美国从来不玩AIP,何来美国产品？这玩意分明是法国货

小小大星球 发表于 2013-6-6 22:56
美国从来不玩AIP,何来美国产品？这玩意分明是法国货
建议你看下资料，S80A细部上跟法国原本的S80/Scorpene有很大的差异，作战系统跟AIP是美国协助集成，英国BAE相关企业负责载台、拖曳阵、流体、水声之类，法国提供的大概剩下声纳湿端。

http://zh.scribd.com/doc/6714797/S80A

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-80-class_submarine

Propulsion

The AIP (air independent propulsion) implemented on the S-80 is completely different from the French MESMA (Module Energie Sous-Marin Autonome) project. The S-80's AIP system is based on a bioethanol-processor (provided by Hynergreen from Abengoa) consisting of a reaction chamber and several intermediate Coprox reactors, that will transform the BioEtOH into high purity hydrogen. The output feeds a series of fuel cells from UTC Power company (which also supplied fuel cells for the Space Shuttle).

美国实用燃料电池的时间比欧洲更早，美国搞太空计画，登月太空船跟太空穿梭机就用上了。

onepiece 发表于 2013-6-6 23:03
建议你看下资料，S80A细部上跟法国原本的S80/Scorpene有很大的差异，作战系统跟AIP是美国协助集成，英国B ...
就算按你提供的资料，AIP和FUEL CELLS是一回事吗？？最多只能说AIP里面的燃料电池单元是美国提供的，潜艇用AIP这玩意美国人从来不做

小小大星球 发表于 2013-6-6 23:10
就算按你提供的资料，AIP和FUEL CELLS是一回事吗？？最多只能说AIP里面的燃料电池单元是美国提供的，潜艇 ...
你确定你有认真看哪怕一眼吗？都已经贴一段文字给你了......

The AIP (air independent propulsion) implemented on the S-80 is completely different from the French MESMA (Module Energie Sous-Marin Autonome) project. The S-80's AIP system is based on a bioethanol-processor (provided by Hynergreen from Abengoa) consisting of a reaction chamber and several intermediate Coprox reactors, that will transform the BioEtOH into high purity hydrogen. The output feeds a series of fuel cells from UTC Power company (which also supplied fuel cells for the Space Shuttle).（你确定你懂英文？）

我再给你贴段中文的
联合技术公司最近报道，其燃料电池分部设计和研发了一个300千瓦的质子交换膜（PEM）燃料电池电源模块，该模块将用于西班牙海军的S-80潜艇。  
    300千瓦PEM燃料电池被设计对已过滤的乙醇和纯氧的发生反应。西班牙海军将把新型的燃料电池电源模块安装在S-80型，2500吨潜艇上作为不依赖空气推进系统的一部分。S-80潜艇将用来保护海岸线。NAVANTIA和联合技术公司将制造技术先进，世界级远洋航行/濒海潜艇，以巩固这两个公司在各自领域的世界领先地位

onepiece 发表于 2013-6-6 23:17
你确定你有认真看哪怕一眼吗？都已经贴一段文字给你了......

The AIP (air independent propulsion) implemented on the S-80 is completely different from the French MESMA (Module Energie Sous-Marin Autonome) project. The S-80's AIP system is based on a bioethanol-processor (provided by Hynergreen from Abengoa) consisting of a reaction chamber and several intermediate Coprox reactors, that will transform the BioEtOH into high purity hydrogen. The output feeds a series of fuel cells from UTC Power company (which also supplied fuel cells for the Space Shuttle).（你确定你懂英文？）

我再给你贴段中文的
联合技术公司最近报道，其燃料电池分部设计和研发了一个300千瓦的质子交换膜（PEM）燃料电池电源模块，该模块将用于西班牙海军的S-80潜艇。  
    300千瓦PEM燃料电池被设计对已过滤的乙醇和纯氧的发生反应。西班牙海军将把新型的燃料电池电源模块安装在S-80型，2500吨潜艇上作为不依赖空气推进系统的一部分。S-80潜艇将用来保护海岸线。NAVANTIA和联合技术公司将制造技术先进，世界级远洋航行/濒海潜艇，以巩固这两个公司在各自领域的世界领先地位

天啊！到底是谁看不懂英文、不看上下文啊！ 你确定你没标红字的地方不看吗？跟别人叫板之前都不想清楚，没看过这么离谱的事情....

我再直接告诉你，为S80A生产燃料电池AIP的公司叫做UTC Power，在康乃迪克州，那家工司先前为美国太空计画提供燃料电池，现在拿这技术坐潜艇AIP。你可以从wiki那篇找UTC的资料。

直接把另一个连结的文贴出来，满意了吧？

  Platform and propulsion

The propulsion plant developed for the S-80A is a hybrid arrangement of classic diesel-electric (combining three 1,200 kW- rated Navantia MTU 16 V 396 SE 84L – GB31L diesel alternator rectifi er sets and two 180-cell groups of Tudor batteries) and

a 300 kW AIP system based on reformed ethanol and liquid oxygen. The latter sys- tem, seen as one of the S-80A’s principal performance discriminators, is being devel- oped by Navantia in conjunction with UTC Power and Hynergreen, with a land-based test site to be built at Cartagena to prove the system and allow for an evaluation of long-endurance performance.

“UTC is, we believe, the best in the world in this area,” says Alvarez. “They are the pioneers in fuel-cell technology, with over 40 years’ experience and a range of expertise in different fuel-cell types. The open anode proton exchange membrane technology we will use is unique to UTC, and represents the very best technology available today.”

The full AIP system will be accommo- dated in a 7.89 m section in the centre part of the boat. This will be split horizon- tally into two separate compartments: the fuel-cell system, bio-ethanol proces- sor, power-conditioning system, CO2d i s - posal system and auxiliaries on an upper deck; and the liquid oxygen tank fitted in a lower compartment.

Navantia is confi dent it can deliver the Spanish Navy’s requirement for an AIP sol- ution providing an endurance of 15 days at 4 kt (assuming a nominal 110 kW hotel load). “If you can switch off non-essential power consumers and reduce hotel load to 50 kW, then endurance could be extended to 20 days,” says Alvarez. “Alternatively, a submarine on the bottom could conserve

小小大星球 发表于 2013-6-6 23:21
The AIP (air independent propulsion) implemented on the S-80 is completely different from the ...

天啊！到底是谁看不懂英文、不看上下文啊！ 你确定你没标红字的地方不看吗？跟别人叫板之前都不想清楚，没看过这么离谱的事情....

我再直接告诉你，为S80A生产燃料电池AIP的公司叫做UTC Power，在康乃迪克州，那家工司先前为美国太空计画提供燃料电池，现在拿这技术坐潜艇AIP。你可以从wiki那篇找UTC的资料。

直接把另一个连结的文贴出来，满意了吧？

  Platform and propulsion

The propulsion plant developed for the S-80A is a hybrid arrangement of classic diesel-electric (combining three 1,200 kW- rated Navantia MTU 16 V 396 SE 84L – GB31L diesel alternator rectifi er sets and two 180-cell groups of Tudor batteries) and

a 300 kW AIP system based on reformed ethanol and liquid oxygen. The latter sys- tem, seen as one of the S-80A’s principal performance discriminators, is being devel- oped by Navantia in conjunction with UTC Power and Hynergreen, with a land-based test site to be built at Cartagena to prove the system and allow for an evaluation of long-endurance performance.

“UTC is, we believe, the best in the world in this area,” says Alvarez. “They are the pioneers in fuel-cell technology, with over 40 years’ experience and a range of expertise in different fuel-cell types. The open anode proton exchange membrane technology we will use is unique to UTC, and represents the very best technology available today.”

The full AIP system will be accommo- dated in a 7.89 m section in the centre part of the boat. This will be split horizon- tally into two separate compartments: the fuel-cell system, bio-ethanol proces- sor, power-conditioning system, CO2d i s - posal system and auxiliaries on an upper deck; and the liquid oxygen tank fitted in a lower compartment.

Navantia is confi dent it can deliver the Spanish Navy’s requirement for an AIP sol- ution providing an endurance of 15 days at 4 kt (assuming a nominal 110 kW hotel load). “If you can switch off non-essential power consumers and reduce hotel load to 50 kW, then endurance could be extended to 20 days,” says Alvarez. “Alternatively, a submarine on the bottom could conserve

我靠，服了！跟你这种人较劲真TM累，还得要我一点点的教吗？？
The output feeds a series of fuel cells from UTC Power company (which also supplied fuel cells for the Space Shuttle).告诉我这句话啥意思？？fuel cells是UTC POWER提供的！fuel cells等于AIP嘛？？
我上面都贴出来中文新闻了你竟然不看？
联合技术公司（就是你说的UTC POWER)最近报道，其燃料电池分部设计和研发了一个300千瓦的质子交换膜（PEM）燃料电池电源模块，该模块将用于西班牙海军的S-80潜艇

燃料电池电源模块是UTC提供的，是AIP里面的电池模块，不是AIP。 波音777的发动机是GE造的，难道等于波音777是GE造的吗？

onepiece 发表于 2013-6-6 23:43
天啊！到底是谁看不懂英文、不看上下文啊！ 你确定你没标红字的地方不看吗？跟别人叫板之前都不 ...

我靠，服了！跟你这种人较劲真TM累，还得要我一点点的教吗？？
The output feeds a series of fuel cells from UTC Power company (which also supplied fuel cells for the Space Shuttle).告诉我这句话啥意思？？fuel cells是UTC POWER提供的！fuel cells等于AIP嘛？？
我上面都贴出来中文新闻了你竟然不看？
联合技术公司（就是你说的UTC POWER)最近报道，其燃料电池分部设计和研发了一个300千瓦的质子交换膜（PEM）燃料电池电源模块，该模块将用于西班牙海军的S-80潜艇

燃料电池电源模块是UTC提供的，是AIP里面的电池模块，不是AIP。 波音777的发动机是GE造的，难道等于波音777是GE造的吗？

你画红字以上的文字，这个AIP的程序，看清楚，哪一个字看不懂的？你以为Fuel cell只有一种PEM吗？

The S-80's AIP system is based on a bioethanol-processor (provided by Hynergreen from Abengoa) consisting of a reaction chamber and several intermediate Coprox reactors, that will transform the BioEtOH into high purity hydrogen.

然后，这个系统是美国做的AIP，你已经打你自己的脸了。继续无理取闹啊你......



Platform and propulsion

The propulsion plant developed for the S-80A is a hybrid arrangement of classic diesel-electric (combining three 1,200 kW- rated Navantia MTU 16 V 396 SE 84L – GB31L diesel alternator rectifi er sets and two 180-cell groups of Tudor batteries) and

a 300 kW AIP system based on reformed ethanol and liquid oxygen. The latter sys- tem, seen as one of the S-80A’s principal performance discriminators, is being devel- oped by Navantia in conjunction with UTC Power and Hynergreen, with a land-based test site to be built at Cartagena to prove the system and allow for an evaluation of long-endurance performance.

“UTC is, we believe, the best in the world in this area,” says Alvarez. “They are the pioneers in fuel-cell technology, with over 40 years’ experience and a range of expertise in different fuel-cell types. The open anode proton exchange membrane technology we will use is unique to UTC, and represents the very best technology available today.”

The full AIP system will be accommo- dated in a 7.89 m section in the centre part of the boat. This will be split horizon- tally into two separate compartments: the fuel-cell system, bio-ethanol proces- sor, power-conditioning system, CO2d i s - posal system and auxiliaries on an upper deck; and the liquid oxygen tank fitted in a lower compartment.

小小大星球 发表于 2013-6-6 23:51
我靠，服了！跟你这种人较劲真TM累，还得要我一点点的教吗？？
The output feeds a series of fuel ce ...

你画红字以上的文字，这个AIP的程序，看清楚，哪一个字看不懂的？你以为Fuel cell只有一种PEM吗？

The S-80's AIP system is based on a bioethanol-processor (provided by Hynergreen from Abengoa) consisting of a reaction chamber and several intermediate Coprox reactors, that will transform the BioEtOH into high purity hydrogen.

然后，这个系统是美国做的AIP，你已经打你自己的脸了。继续无理取闹啊你......



Platform and propulsion

The propulsion plant developed for the S-80A is a hybrid arrangement of classic diesel-electric (combining three 1,200 kW- rated Navantia MTU 16 V 396 SE 84L – GB31L diesel alternator rectifi er sets and two 180-cell groups of Tudor batteries) and

a 300 kW AIP system based on reformed ethanol and liquid oxygen. The latter sys- tem, seen as one of the S-80A’s principal performance discriminators, is being devel- oped by Navantia in conjunction with UTC Power and Hynergreen, with a land-based test site to be built at Cartagena to prove the system and allow for an evaluation of long-endurance performance.

“UTC is, we believe, the best in the world in this area,” says Alvarez. “They are the pioneers in fuel-cell technology, with over 40 years’ experience and a range of expertise in different fuel-cell types. The open anode proton exchange membrane technology we will use is unique to UTC, and represents the very best technology available today.”

The full AIP system will be accommo- dated in a 7.89 m section in the centre part of the boat. This will be split horizon- tally into two separate compartments: the fuel-cell system, bio-ethanol proces- sor, power-conditioning system, CO2d i s - posal system and auxiliaries on an upper deck; and the liquid oxygen tank fitted in a lower compartment.

美国不是不造柴电潜艇吗？

onepiece 发表于 2013-6-6 23:56
你画红字以上的文字，这个AIP的程序，看清楚，哪一个字看不懂的？

The S-80's AIP system is based on ...
我日，还在诡辩，算了懒得理你的，真是教不会啊。还TM然后这个系统是美国做的AIP，你这段英文里面哪来这句话？？分明讲的是S-80的AIP系统不同于法国，是燃料电池AIP，然后说了这个燃料电池单元是美国做的，那句话说了AIP是美国人做的？

如果你不懂英文，我都把中文新闻贴出来了

联合技术公司最近报道，其燃料电池分部设计和研发了一个300千瓦的质子交换膜（PEM）燃料电池电源模块，该模块将用于西班牙海军的S-80潜艇。  
     300千瓦PEM燃料电池被设计对已过滤的乙醇和纯氧的发生反应。西班牙海军将把新型的燃料电池电源模块安装在S-80型，2500吨潜艇上作为不依赖空气推进系统的一部分。S-80潜艇将用来保护海岸线。NAVANTIA和联合技术公司将制造技术先进，世界级远洋航行/濒海潜艇，以巩固这两个公司在各自领域的世界领先地位

这文章说的清清楚楚UTC POWER 帮西班牙海军S80潜艇设计了研发了一个燃料电池电源模块，而不是整个AIP系统

你才是教不会只耍嘴皮子，懒到不去点全文。人家把这套AIP（对，这个美国做的燃料电池就是船上的AIP，不然还是什么？白纸黑字写的）的程序都简介了，这玩意叫生物乙醇（bioethanol）燃料电池，从酒精里整出氢（还有别的系统用柴油重整出氢），跟氧反应，然后就是你熟悉的燃料电池电化反应，我看你八成不知道燃料电池不只一种。懒得继续在你身上浪费时间了。一下子扯美国不做AIP、用的是法国的，一下又扯这燃料电池跟AIP无关，自己都已经翻出中文报导看到人家用燃料电池AIP，跟法国自家DCNS的MESMA显然就不是同一个东西，还好意思继续谈下去？。

The AIP (air independent propulsion) implemented on the S-80 is completely different from the French MESMA (Module Energie Sous-Marin Autonome) project. The S-80's AIP system is based on a bioethanol-processor (provided by Hynergreen from Abengoa) consisting of a reaction chamber and several intermediate Coprox reactors, that will transform the BioEtOH into high purity hydrogen. The output feeds a series of fuel cells from UTC Power company (which also supplied fuel cells for the Space Shuttle).


The Reformator is fed with bioethanol as fuel, and oxygen (stored as a liquid in a high pressure cryogenic tank), generating hydrogen and carbon dioxide as subproducts. The produced hydrogen and more oxygen is fed to the fuel cells.

The bioethanol-processor also produces a stream of highly concentrated carbon dioxide and other trace gases that are not burned completely during combustion. This gas flow is mixed with sea water in one or more ejector venturi scrubber and then through a new system called SECO2 (or CO2 Removal System), developed by Bionet, and whose purpose is to dissolve the "bubbles" of CO2 in water to undetectable levels.[6]

The oxygen and fuel flow rates are directly determined by the demand for power. The AIP power in the S-80 submarine is at least 300kW.[6] A permanent-magnet electric motor moves a fixed propeller of a special design, that doesn't create cavitations at high speed.

小小大星球 发表于 2013-6-7 00:00
我日，还在诡辩，算了懒得理你的，真是教不会啊。还TM然后这个系统是美国做的AIP，你这段英文里面哪来这句 ...

你才是教不会只耍嘴皮子，懒到不去点全文。人家把这套AIP（对，这个美国做的燃料电池就是船上的AIP，不然还是什么？白纸黑字写的）的程序都简介了，这玩意叫生物乙醇（bioethanol）燃料电池，从酒精里整出氢（还有别的系统用柴油重整出氢），跟氧反应，然后就是你熟悉的燃料电池电化反应，我看你八成不知道燃料电池不只一种。懒得继续在你身上浪费时间了。一下子扯美国不做AIP、用的是法国的，一下又扯这燃料电池跟AIP无关，自己都已经翻出中文报导看到人家用燃料电池AIP，跟法国自家DCNS的MESMA显然就不是同一个东西，还好意思继续谈下去？。

The AIP (air independent propulsion) implemented on the S-80 is completely different from the French MESMA (Module Energie Sous-Marin Autonome) project. The S-80's AIP system is based on a bioethanol-processor (provided by Hynergreen from Abengoa) consisting of a reaction chamber and several intermediate Coprox reactors, that will transform the BioEtOH into high purity hydrogen. The output feeds a series of fuel cells from UTC Power company (which also supplied fuel cells for the Space Shuttle).


The Reformator is fed with bioethanol as fuel, and oxygen (stored as a liquid in a high pressure cryogenic tank), generating hydrogen and carbon dioxide as subproducts. The produced hydrogen and more oxygen is fed to the fuel cells.

The bioethanol-processor also produces a stream of highly concentrated carbon dioxide and other trace gases that are not burned completely during combustion. This gas flow is mixed with sea water in one or more ejector venturi scrubber and then through a new system called SECO2 (or CO2 Removal System), developed by Bionet, and whose purpose is to dissolve the "bubbles" of CO2 in water to undetectable levels.[6]

The oxygen and fuel flow rates are directly determined by the demand for power. The AIP power in the S-80 submarine is at least 300kW.[6] A permanent-magnet electric motor moves a fixed propeller of a special design, that doesn't create cavitations at high speed.

onepiece 发表于 2013-6-7 00:10
你才是教不会只耍嘴皮子，懒到不去点全文。人家把这套AIP（对，这个美国做的燃料电池就是船上的AIP，不 ...
我不想再跟你争辩了，累得很，只想最后说一句自己去查查AIP是什么意思

都别争了，事实是S-80的AIP技术是由西班牙的ABENGOA公司开发的，和法国与美国都没关系，美国的UTC只提供燃料电池，完毕

实在不行就不下潜了，直接当水面鱼雷艇用

直接下面装四个轮子，在海底开着走就好了

newspyman 发表于 2013-6-7 01:51
直接下面装四个轮子，在海底开着走就好了
那多慢呀，不如在舱底重新设计一鱼雷发射管，想上浮了，倒着固定一不装引爆系统的火箭助飞鱼雷，哗一下就上浮了，还能做特技吸收眼球

感谢补充。看起来Abengoa是个系统集成者，它负责提供的技术是燃料供应（那个生物乙醇处理器），生出氢跟氧送入燃料电池里工作，而UTC承包了它的燃料电池。大概因为燃料电池才是这个系统的核心，所以几年前详细介绍S80A的一篇文章主要几乎叙述UTC的工作，对于Abengoa旗下的Hynergreen（负责研发生物乙醇产生氢的处理器）只是公司名字一笔带过。

hawk119 发表于 2013-6-7 00:43
都别争了，事实是S-80的AIP技术是由西班牙的ABENGOA公司开发的，和法国与美国都没关系，美国的UTC只提供燃料 ...

感谢补充。看起来Abengoa是个系统集成者，它负责提供的技术是燃料供应（那个生物乙醇处理器），生出氢跟氧送入燃料电池里工作，而UTC承包了它的燃料电池。大概因为燃料电池才是这个系统的核心，所以几年前详细介绍S80A的一篇文章主要几乎叙述UTC的工作，对于Abengoa旗下的Hynergreen（负责研发生物乙醇产生氢的处理器）只是公司名字一笔带过。

到了2011年7月，Navantia才完成S80A的所有细部设计与最终方案，此时第一艘艇体结构已经完成87%，作战系统完成22%；某种程度上，说它「即兴创作」并不算全然过份。所以不等完全定案就已经开始建造多时，只要修改过程中一有不慎，问题就接踵而来，现在看来后续修改显然超过了原始设计留下的馀度。

http://info.cndsi.com/html/20110820/104216104956.html

纳凡蒂亚公司完成对西班牙S80A潜艇全部设计工作

2011-08-20 　来源:中国国防科技信息网 　进入论坛

　　据报道，7月28日，潜艇制造商纳凡蒂亚宣布完成了对西班牙海军S80A潜艇的设计工作。

　　公司宣称，这意味着纳凡蒂亚现在已经完成S 80A潜艇100%的详细设计和建模工作，确定了最终的建造方案。海军于2004年3月订购的4艘S 80A潜艇中，第一艘现在已经完成了87%的结构建设，其中作战系统已经完成22%。

　　配置不依靠空气的推进系统(UTC乙醇燃料电池)后，排水量为2465吨的S 80A被经营者视为潜在的出口赢家。

　　目前，4艘潜艇正在卡塔赫纳船厂中建造。该厂主任Manuel Filgueira认为，近几年国外海军对S 80A的兴趣表明，到2020年S 80A可以占领国际常规潜艇市场10%的份额。在这期间，全世界预计共将订购或建造140艘常规潜艇。

　　71米长的S 80A潜艇是纳凡蒂亚公司在不依靠国外技术条件下，设计并建造的第一种潜艇。这种潜艇水下的最大航速为18节，续航力为12000海里。首艇的交付时间为2013年5月。后面3艘仍在建造过程中，预计将在2014到2016年间，以一年一艘的速度交付海军。

到了2011年7月，Navantia才完成S80A的所有细部设计与最终方案，此时第一艘艇体结构已经完成87%，作战系统完成22%；某种程度上，说它「即兴创作」并不算全然过份。所以不等完全定案就已经开始建造多时，只要修改过程中一有不慎，问题就接踵而来，现在看来后续修改显然超过了原始设计留下的馀度。

http://info.cndsi.com/html/20110820/104216104956.html

纳凡蒂亚公司完成对西班牙S80A潜艇全部设计工作

2011-08-20 　来源:中国国防科技信息网 　进入论坛

　　据报道，7月28日，潜艇制造商纳凡蒂亚宣布完成了对西班牙海军S80A潜艇的设计工作。

　　公司宣称，这意味着纳凡蒂亚现在已经完成S 80A潜艇100%的详细设计和建模工作，确定了最终的建造方案。海军于2004年3月订购的4艘S 80A潜艇中，第一艘现在已经完成了87%的结构建设，其中作战系统已经完成22%。

　　配置不依靠空气的推进系统(UTC乙醇燃料电池)后，排水量为2465吨的S 80A被经营者视为潜在的出口赢家。

　　目前，4艘潜艇正在卡塔赫纳船厂中建造。该厂主任Manuel Filgueira认为，近几年国外海军对S 80A的兴趣表明，到2020年S 80A可以占领国际常规潜艇市场10%的份额。在这期间，全世界预计共将订购或建造140艘常规潜艇。

　　71米长的S 80A潜艇是纳凡蒂亚公司在不依靠国外技术条件下，设计并建造的第一种潜艇。这种潜艇水下的最大航速为18节，续航力为12000海里。首艇的交付时间为2013年5月。后面3艘仍在建造过程中，预计将在2014到2016年间，以一年一艘的速度交付海军。

已经建成了，现在想增加长度恐怕不太容易吧。一刀下去两截，然后加一段带合上。加上适当的配重。 换发动 ...
人家加一段是为了增加浮力……

美国不生产常规动力潜艇很久了