美国：既然中国可以建造长城，我们也可以在边境建一个围 ...

Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa), a relentless opponent of comprehensive immigration reform, on Saturday outlined a simple solution to the complex issue: build a better border fence.
全面移民改革政策的坚定反对者 史蒂夫.金议员（爱荷华州议员），在星期六针对这个复杂的问题提出了一个简单的解决办法：建一个更好的围栏。

"I supported the fence," King told Eagle Forum President Phyllis Schlafly on her radio program, according to Right Wing Watch. Building a fence along the approximately 2,000 mile Mexican-American border would not "be too much of an engineering marvel," King argued.
“我支持建围栏，”金在她的广播节目中对鹰派论坛主席菲利斯.施拉夫莱说道，根据右翼观察网站的报道。金认为，沿着墨西哥-美国边境建设一条长约2000英里的围栏不会“比一个工程奇迹更加困难”。

"We can do the Panama Canal 100 years-plus ago and I’ve been over there to take a look at the Great Wall of China that was built more than 2,000 years ago, and that’s 5,500 miles long," King said. "So building a fence is not that hard; I’ll just show you how to do it if it’s too complicated for our public policy people to get their mind around."
  “100多年前我们开通了巴拿马海峡，我还亲自见证了中国的万里长城——建于2000年前，有5500英里长”，金说，“因此建设一条围栏并非难事。如果我们的公共政策决策者认为这太困难，我可以教他们如何做以便让他们的脑袋开窍。”

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Later in the program, King spoke with a caller named Meryl, who claimed undocumented immigrants had allegedly trespassed on her property. King warned her that if the United States continued to have "open borders" it might go the way of "Third World countries" like "Mexico" and "places in the Caribbean or in Africa where there’s no law or very little law."

"If lawlessness prevails then the more wealthy build a better, more effective barrier around their own compounds," King cautioned.

King's comments came in response to a set of recommendations published last week by the Republican National Committee, which called for a modernization of the GOP's platform on immigration in order to stay competitive within America's evolving electorate. To gain support among Hispanic voters, the report said, the GOP “must embrace and champion comprehensive immigration reform."

King's resistance to his party's changing politics is not surprising considering his position as one of Congress's staunchest immigration hardliners. During his recent address to the Conservative Political Action Conference, King called immigration reform a "deconstruction" of the rule of law.

在稍后的节目中，一名叫meryl的听众打来电话，与金展开交流，meryl称非法的移民入侵了他家。金警告他要是美国继续边境开放，可能重蹈第三世界国家的覆辙，比如“墨西哥”，“加勒比海或者非洲”之类的无法治国家。

要是无法无天继续盛行下去的话更多富人就得在他们自己的领地建造更好更有效的栅栏。金警告道

金的评论是对上周共和党全国委员会提出的一系列建议，这一系列的建议号召对共和党自身的移民平台进行现代化以继续保持其在不断变化的选民中间保持竞争性，为了获得西班牙选民的支持，共和党在其报告中说道，该党“必须支持和拥护全面的移民改革。”

考虑到金是国会的移民政策强硬派之一，他对自己党派的政策变动持否定意见并不令人惊讶。在最近的保守排政治行动会议上，他发表演讲称移民改革是对法律规则的毁灭。

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realitytrumpsbull
11:43 PM on 03/25/2013
Mexico's been a growing pain in America's hind-end, over the years, serving as a staging base for various criminal enterprises here in the US, and probable information-gathering point for points and people far and distant. At one point, they were talking about mass movement of methamphetamine precursor chemicals to Mexico, from China. They were also talking about truckloads of cold, hard cash being seized en route back to Mexico, from the US. A fence? The picture with this article demonstrates a method of breaching said fence, and another border story told about a piece of surplus US Army equipment, either purchased by/given to, or maybestolen by Mexico, at any rate, the treads were on the southern side of La Linea, with the bridge mounted atop the M-60 tank chassis  going right up and over the fence-y thing. Slowly, perhaps grudgingly, Mexico is starting to look at the drug tunnel-thing, and The Government(ours) is starting to acknowledge that there are some border-related crime problems that might need to be addressed.  

墨西哥原来越成为美国后院的一个心头之患，在过去的几年里，它简直是各种在美国的犯罪企业的中转站，还有可能是遥远的人们的信息收集点。关于这一点，他们讨论的如何从中国大规模运输甲基苯丙胺原粉到墨西哥（甲基苯丙胺是兴奋剂一种，中国部分毒品原粉可作为化工原料合法运输）。他们也讨论如何从美国押解数卡车的现金回去墨西哥。一个篱笆吗？本文提供的图片显示建造围墙这个方法的缺陷，而在边界的另一边的故事是关于一些剩余美军装备，不管是墨西哥买的/别人给的，还是墨西哥偷的，无论如何，决定权在墨西哥那边，在M-60坦克之上，有很多的桥梁正在建立，有了这些桥梁，那些篱笆和围墙还有什么用。慢慢地，或者还有点勉强地，墨西哥开始盯上了毒品隧道，现在我们的政府开始承认边境上存在着一些可能需要解决的犯罪问题。

No matter what happens, though, we'll be neighbors with Mexico for a long time to come, yet. How good of a neighbor we end up being with that country, might very much depend on how well we tend and mend our fences...if they can spend hundreds of billions of dollars on not-fixing other countries, maybe they can spare the revenue and resources to reinforce our international boundary with Mexico.  
Another way to better our relations WITH Mexico, though, won't involve barbed wire, gasoline moats, air patrols, or other ouchy-painful things, but rather, helping to ensure that Mexico doesn't flush itself down the toilet, instead working to better their national circumstances so that their citizens aren't driven by desperation to criminal, violent, even murderous activity. Is there an issue, here? Yes. Is it chronic, on-going, lingering? Yes. Is part of the problem on this side of the border with high drug consumption and unscrupulous employers, doing the kind of thing that Cesar Chavez used to rail against? Yeppers.

不管发生什么事，我们仍然要与墨西哥做很长一段时间邻居。一个邻居最终与我们的关系有多好，可能很大程度上取决于我们如何照料和修补我们的篱笆……如果他们可以花费数千亿美金去搅和别的国家，为什么不去拿出一点税收和资源增强下我们和墨西哥之间的国界呢。
还有一种方式来改善我们与墨西哥的方式，尽管，不涉及到铁丝网，汽油的护城河，空中巡逻，或其他蛋疼的事情，但是，帮助墨西哥不要把自己冲进厕所里，去帮助他们改善自己的经济环境，这样墨西哥人就不会因绝望的驱使去犯罪，暴力，甚至谋杀。的确存在问题吗？是的。这问题是长期存在的、持久的、挥之不去的吗？是的。是因为美国这边大量的毒品消费以及大量（做着查韦斯都责骂的事情的）无良雇主的存在而导致的吗？是的.

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So, how can we act to be better neighbors? And, that implies better law enforcement north of the border, and ensuring that we aren't scapegoating that country, for problems primarily extant in this one, either as a result of shoddy, poorly-considered policy like with pot, or with shifty-eyed individuals doing their own, personal, arms exports from the US to Mexico, and reinforcing criminal activity in that country, and in this one.  
Should travel to/from Mexico involve a passport, and a visa stamp? Maybe so, maybe so.

我们怎么做才能成为更好的邻居呢？做好邻居意味着在美国这边要加强执法力度，并且确保我们不会迁怒墨西哥，因为问题主要出在我们这边，为什么这么说？因为我们的制定的一些政策太失败了，比如大麻政策，又或者是因为一些卑鄙的个人为了自己利益把武器从美国出口到墨西哥，从而导致墨西哥的犯罪率愈演愈烈，当然也使美国的犯罪率上升了。
那么我们进出墨西哥是不是需要一个护照和一份签证？是吧，是这样吧。


Boris from Oz
11:12 PM on 03/25/2013
History, yet another GOP blind spot. Ask the Chinese how well the wall worked to keep Ghengis Khan from invading China.
Hint: It didn't really help.
历史证明，这是大老党的又一个脑残观点。问问中国人长城是如何阻止成吉思汗入侵中国的。
PS：毫无用处。


Strive
07:59 PM on 03/25/2013
Wouldn't it make more sense to just build a wall around Rep. King.
建一个围墙圈住金议员更有意义。


no body
07:48 PM on 03/25/2013
Forgetting the fact that the Mongols actually breached the Great Wall of China.
America can rest assured that an intelligent thought will never breach King's skull!
不要忘记实际上蒙古攻破了中国的长城。
美国可以确信的一点是金的脑袋里绝对不会想出什么像样的好点子的。

johuyik
08:03 PM on 03/25/2013
Hey, you got that from history didn't you? Republicans don't believe in history because it's been shown to have a liberal bias..;-)
嘿，你是从历史堆中翻出来的，对吗？共和党从不相信历史，因为他们有自由主义偏见;-)


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nanoscare
11:05 PM on 03/25/2013
Let's replicate the largest waste of money any empire ever committed. Yea, history isn't King's strong suit.
让我们重复其他帝国曾经犯下的劳民伤财的错误？看来，历史并不是金的长项。


GySgt USMC (Retired)
05:17 AM on 03/26/2013
If I remember right, the Great Wall did not work...just sayin'.
如果我没记错，长城没有发挥任何作用……

Micheal Anderson
05:19 AM on 03/26/2013
Also took a few years to build.
也要花很多年来建设。

JRElliott
05:57 AM on 03/26/2013
Surprised to hear a Republican advocating a big-government-sponsored program that employs people in construction. Sounds like a put-people-to-work-stimulus-program to me.
I guess I'd prefer high-speed rail infrastructure, which facilitates movement of people and goods from A to B, rather than fence infrastructure that impedes the flow of immigrants, which seems to have been in the US-to-México direction lately.
很惊讶会听到一个共和党人投票支持政府出资雇人来搞基础建设。听起来像是增加工作岗位刺激经济的工程。
我更倾向于建高铁，它能够促进A和B之间的人员和物资流动；总好过建一个围栏来阻止移民潮， 好像最近有很多人从美国入境墨西哥倒是真的。


haybarn
11:00 PM on 03/25/2013
Um, "If China can build a Great Wall that accomplished nothing other than attracting tourists, (and East Germany built a Berlin Wall that eventually accomplished nothing) then we can build a Border Fence that eventually accomplishes nothing too."
嗯，既然中国建造的长城除了吸引游客外毫无作用（东德建有柏林墙，也毫无作用），那么我们建一条围栏也毫无作用。


James Lorenzato
04:09 AM on 03/26/2013
Republicans apparently aren't long on history any more than on any other kinds of facts.
Do the words Mongol Empire ring a bell? That wall didn't exactly work, did it?
共和党人看来不擅长于历史了，就像别的事情一样。
蒙古帝国这个词有没有唤醒回忆？那个城墙没起到任何作用，不是吗？

Phyllis Copeland
04:56 AM on 03/26/2013
Should we bother to point out that the Great Wall took over 1400 years to build by seven different dynasties? Oh, and no-one point out that these dynasties employed slaves, requiring no wages, pensions, health care and if the workers died on the job, well, that's the cost of doing business, right? Fun fact - only weak, xenophobic dynasties built and added to the Great Wall. The Tang and the Song dynasties, who were stronger on diplomacy and learned to play well with others never troubled themselves with the whole wall business and were arguably the most successful of the ancient dynasties ... certainly they were among the wealthiest!
And the GOP sneer at people who have history degrees! (Mine is actually in Graphic Design, but that's still considered Liberal Arts. National Geographic had a terrific piece on the Great Wall a few years back and I love history, so I just ate it up! :-) Perhaps if these GOP types troubled themselves to learn a little history, too, they could save a few billions dollars into the bargain!
难道要我指出长城是7个不同的朝代经历了1400多年才建成的吗？噢，也没有人指出这些朝代征用奴隶，不用付薪水、养老金、医疗，而这个工程唯一的付出就是在工地上死亡的工人，对吗？有趣的是，只有那些软弱无能的朝代才会建造和修补长城。唐朝和宋朝，这两个对外强势且懂得如何与他国共处的朝代就不会费心去修补长城，毫无疑问它们是最成功的朝代……当然也是最富有的朝代！
而大老党（共和党的别称）嘲笑那些拥有历史学位的人。（实际上我是做平面设计的，但也可以认为是人文学科。几年前国家地理播出了一部关于长城的影片，非常棒，而且我喜爱历史，就从头到尾看了一遍！）如果这些老大党人能够费点精力去学一点历史，或许他们就不会在这个问题上花费数十亿美元了！


big tom
03:44 AM on 03/26/2013
bought some more stock in that fence company did ya steve.
从那家围栏公司再多买点股票 ，对吗？史蒂夫？


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l78lancer
03:34 AM on 03/26/2013
The Wall can be built. No problem. King only needs several hundred thousand slaves and a few hundred years.
The Steve King Jobs Bill.
没问题,可以建造城墙.国王(议员名字King,一语双关)需要的只是数十万的奴隶和数百年的时间而已.
史蒂夫.金就业法案


Annieke
03:29 AM on 03/26/2013
Perhaps it is better to build a wall around Iowa and keep King and the people who voted for him inside of that wall. Much safer for the rest of the country.
最好是在爱荷华州周围建一道城墙,让那些为KING投票的人和KING一起住在里面.这样其他地区才会更安全


harmlesstree
12:18 AM on 03/26/2013
Well since the Mongols conquered China in the 13th century, the Great Wall of China has be viewed as a spectacular failure.
So even if the Mexicans has constructed such a wall, it probably would not have kept the aggressive and expansionist Americans from conquering half of Mexico in 1848.
And Mexico is hardly a Third World country. Mexico has the 11th largest economy in the world, and in overall per capita terms is like an Eastern European country, and there are regions that are wealthier than that. Mexico does suffer from extreme income equality, (something Republicans love) which is embodied by the fact that Mexico is home to the world's richest person.
But I would not expect Steve King to be aware of any of this .
自从蒙古人在13世纪征服了中国以后,中国的长城就已经被视为一个巨大的失败.
所以即使墨西哥人建造了这样一道城墙,也极有可能阻止不了充满侵略性和扩张主义的美国人在1848年划走墨西哥一半的领土.
墨西哥不仅仅只是世界第三国家那么简单，墨西哥是全球的第十一大经济体,总体人均收入水平仅和东欧国家一样,
当然有些地区可是富裕得多,墨西哥有着极大的贫富差距，（共和党人最爱这个）从世界首富来自墨西哥这一点上可以看得出来不过我可没指望史蒂夫.金能意识到这一切

ta2t2o
12:37 AM on 03/26/2013
Good point about the income inequality. Perhaps it's a vision of the future of the US if they don't do something about the income inequality here.
很好的关于收入差距的观点 。或者这就是美国未来的模板，如果他们不想办法改变收入差距的话。

shuckydurns
12:49 AM on 03/26/2013
Excellent points. A better wall to compare to is the Berlin Wall. I found the exact figures some years ago, but have since lost and forgotten them. I do remember the BW cost was enormous to build and maintain it. 10's of millions yearly for 97 miles of killing fields. We're not gonna do that ... no way ... no how. How about Senator Steve cutting US subsidies for grains so we don't under cut the Mexican farmer? How about really doing something to persuade Mexico to make life in Mexico bearable for all of it's citizens? Help them in prudent fashions if we need to do that. Most human beings don't want to leave where they're born when they are comfortable. If you don't think so, spend some time in the hollows of Appalachia.
好主意。柏林墙就是最佳参照物。几年前我查阅了些数据，但最近找不到，忘记了。我可以确定的是柏林墙的建造和维护花销巨大。 只有97英里长的柏林墙每年的开销就是几千万美元 。我们决不能那样做……没门……不可以。史蒂夫议员为什么不削减粮食补贴这样我们就不用剥削墨西哥的农民？为什么不做些实际性的工作来劝说墨西哥建设他们的家园以养活他们的人民？如果需要我们就减少消费来帮助他们。如果生活安定，大多数人不会离开他们出生的地方。如果你不认同，那么到阿帕拉契亚山谷呆上一段时间。


antonymous
01:58 AM on 03/26/2013
Two of the last three dynasties in China were founded by "barbarian" invaders - the Mongol Yuan Dynasty and the Manchu Qing Dynasty. So...good job, wall?
中国最近的3个朝代有2个是有“野蛮的”入侵者建立的——蒙古的元朝和满清的清朝。所以……长城，干得不错？

brooklynbai
02:42 AM on 03/26/2013
Let's not forget the Great Wall of China essentially failed because the invaders were able to just go around it, which is just as possible with a border fence on the border or in some cases under.
不要忘记中国的长城实际上失败了，因为入侵者可以绕开它， 所以在美墨边境建围栏的效果也是一样的。
Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa), a relentless opponent of comprehensive immigration reform, on Saturday outlined a simple solution to the complex issue: build a better border fence.
全面移民改革政策的坚定反对者 史蒂夫.金议员（爱荷华州议员），在星期六针对这个复杂的问题提出了一个简单的解决办法：建一个更好的围栏。

"I supported the fence," King told Eagle Forum President Phyllis Schlafly on her radio program, according to Right Wing Watch. Building a fence along the approximately 2,000 mile Mexican-American border would not "be too much of an engineering marvel," King argued.
“我支持建围栏，”金在她的广播节目中对鹰派论坛主席菲利斯.施拉夫莱说道，根据右翼观察网站的报道。金认为，沿着墨西哥-美国边境建设一条长约2000英里的围栏不会“比一个工程奇迹更加困难”。

"We can do the Panama Canal 100 years-plus ago and I’ve been over there to take a look at the Great Wall of China that was built more than 2,000 years ago, and that’s 5,500 miles long," King said. "So building a fence is not that hard; I’ll just show you how to do it if it’s too complicated for our public policy people to get their mind around."
  “100多年前我们开通了巴拿马海峡，我还亲自见证了中国的万里长城——建于2000年前，有5500英里长”，金说，“因此建设一条围栏并非难事。如果我们的公共政策决策者认为这太困难，我可以教他们如何做以便让他们的脑袋开窍。”

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Later in the program, King spoke with a caller named Meryl, who claimed undocumented immigrants had allegedly trespassed on her property. King warned her that if the United States continued to have "open borders" it might go the way of "Third World countries" like "Mexico" and "places in the Caribbean or in Africa where there’s no law or very little law."

"If lawlessness prevails then the more wealthy build a better, more effective barrier around their own compounds," King cautioned.

King's comments came in response to a set of recommendations published last week by the Republican National Committee, which called for a modernization of the GOP's platform on immigration in order to stay competitive within America's evolving electorate. To gain support among Hispanic voters, the report said, the GOP “must embrace and champion comprehensive immigration reform."

King's resistance to his party's changing politics is not surprising considering his position as one of Congress's staunchest immigration hardliners. During his recent address to the Conservative Political Action Conference, King called immigration reform a "deconstruction" of the rule of law.

在稍后的节目中，一名叫meryl的听众打来电话，与金展开交流，meryl称非法的移民入侵了他家。金警告他要是美国继续边境开放，可能重蹈第三世界国家的覆辙，比如“墨西哥”，“加勒比海或者非洲”之类的无法治国家。

要是无法无天继续盛行下去的话更多富人就得在他们自己的领地建造更好更有效的栅栏。金警告道

金的评论是对上周共和党全国委员会提出的一系列建议，这一系列的建议号召对共和党自身的移民平台进行现代化以继续保持其在不断变化的选民中间保持竞争性，为了获得西班牙选民的支持，共和党在其报告中说道，该党“必须支持和拥护全面的移民改革。”

考虑到金是国会的移民政策强硬派之一，他对自己党派的政策变动持否定意见并不令人惊讶。在最近的保守排政治行动会议上，他发表演讲称移民改革是对法律规则的毁灭。

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realitytrumpsbull
11:43 PM on 03/25/2013
Mexico's been a growing pain in America's hind-end, over the years, serving as a staging base for various criminal enterprises here in the US, and probable information-gathering point for points and people far and distant. At one point, they were talking about mass movement of methamphetamine precursor chemicals to Mexico, from China. They were also talking about truckloads of cold, hard cash being seized en route back to Mexico, from the US. A fence? The picture with this article demonstrates a method of breaching said fence, and another border story told about a piece of surplus US Army equipment, either purchased by/given to, or maybestolen by Mexico, at any rate, the treads were on the southern side of La Linea, with the bridge mounted atop the M-60 tank chassis  going right up and over the fence-y thing. Slowly, perhaps grudgingly, Mexico is starting to look at the drug tunnel-thing, and The Government(ours) is starting to acknowledge that there are some border-related crime problems that might need to be addressed.  

墨西哥原来越成为美国后院的一个心头之患，在过去的几年里，它简直是各种在美国的犯罪企业的中转站，还有可能是遥远的人们的信息收集点。关于这一点，他们讨论的如何从中国大规模运输甲基苯丙胺原粉到墨西哥（甲基苯丙胺是兴奋剂一种，中国部分毒品原粉可作为化工原料合法运输）。他们也讨论如何从美国押解数卡车的现金回去墨西哥。一个篱笆吗？本文提供的图片显示建造围墙这个方法的缺陷，而在边界的另一边的故事是关于一些剩余美军装备，不管是墨西哥买的/别人给的，还是墨西哥偷的，无论如何，决定权在墨西哥那边，在M-60坦克之上，有很多的桥梁正在建立，有了这些桥梁，那些篱笆和围墙还有什么用。慢慢地，或者还有点勉强地，墨西哥开始盯上了毒品隧道，现在我们的政府开始承认边境上存在着一些可能需要解决的犯罪问题。

No matter what happens, though, we'll be neighbors with Mexico for a long time to come, yet. How good of a neighbor we end up being with that country, might very much depend on how well we tend and mend our fences...if they can spend hundreds of billions of dollars on not-fixing other countries, maybe they can spare the revenue and resources to reinforce our international boundary with Mexico.  
Another way to better our relations WITH Mexico, though, won't involve barbed wire, gasoline moats, air patrols, or other ouchy-painful things, but rather, helping to ensure that Mexico doesn't flush itself down the toilet, instead working to better their national circumstances so that their citizens aren't driven by desperation to criminal, violent, even murderous activity. Is there an issue, here? Yes. Is it chronic, on-going, lingering? Yes. Is part of the problem on this side of the border with high drug consumption and unscrupulous employers, doing the kind of thing that Cesar Chavez used to rail against? Yeppers.

不管发生什么事，我们仍然要与墨西哥做很长一段时间邻居。一个邻居最终与我们的关系有多好，可能很大程度上取决于我们如何照料和修补我们的篱笆……如果他们可以花费数千亿美金去搅和别的国家，为什么不去拿出一点税收和资源增强下我们和墨西哥之间的国界呢。
还有一种方式来改善我们与墨西哥的方式，尽管，不涉及到铁丝网，汽油的护城河，空中巡逻，或其他蛋疼的事情，但是，帮助墨西哥不要把自己冲进厕所里，去帮助他们改善自己的经济环境，这样墨西哥人就不会因绝望的驱使去犯罪，暴力，甚至谋杀。的确存在问题吗？是的。这问题是长期存在的、持久的、挥之不去的吗？是的。是因为美国这边大量的毒品消费以及大量（做着查韦斯都责骂的事情的）无良雇主的存在而导致的吗？是的.

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So, how can we act to be better neighbors? And, that implies better law enforcement north of the border, and ensuring that we aren't scapegoating that country, for problems primarily extant in this one, either as a result of shoddy, poorly-considered policy like with pot, or with shifty-eyed individuals doing their own, personal, arms exports from the US to Mexico, and reinforcing criminal activity in that country, and in this one.  
Should travel to/from Mexico involve a passport, and a visa stamp? Maybe so, maybe so.

我们怎么做才能成为更好的邻居呢？做好邻居意味着在美国这边要加强执法力度，并且确保我们不会迁怒墨西哥，因为问题主要出在我们这边，为什么这么说？因为我们的制定的一些政策太失败了，比如大麻政策，又或者是因为一些卑鄙的个人为了自己利益把武器从美国出口到墨西哥，从而导致墨西哥的犯罪率愈演愈烈，当然也使美国的犯罪率上升了。
那么我们进出墨西哥是不是需要一个护照和一份签证？是吧，是这样吧。


Boris from Oz
11:12 PM on 03/25/2013
History, yet another GOP blind spot. Ask the Chinese how well the wall worked to keep Ghengis Khan from invading China.
Hint: It didn't really help.
历史证明，这是大老党的又一个脑残观点。问问中国人长城是如何阻止成吉思汗入侵中国的。
PS：毫无用处。


Strive
07:59 PM on 03/25/2013
Wouldn't it make more sense to just build a wall around Rep. King.
建一个围墙圈住金议员更有意义。


no body
07:48 PM on 03/25/2013
Forgetting the fact that the Mongols actually breached the Great Wall of China.
America can rest assured that an intelligent thought will never breach King's skull!
不要忘记实际上蒙古攻破了中国的长城。
美国可以确信的一点是金的脑袋里绝对不会想出什么像样的好点子的。

johuyik
08:03 PM on 03/25/2013
Hey, you got that from history didn't you? Republicans don't believe in history because it's been shown to have a liberal bias..;-)
嘿，你是从历史堆中翻出来的，对吗？共和党从不相信历史，因为他们有自由主义偏见;-)


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nanoscare
11:05 PM on 03/25/2013
Let's replicate the largest waste of money any empire ever committed. Yea, history isn't King's strong suit.
让我们重复其他帝国曾经犯下的劳民伤财的错误？看来，历史并不是金的长项。


GySgt USMC (Retired)
05:17 AM on 03/26/2013
If I remember right, the Great Wall did not work...just sayin'.
如果我没记错，长城没有发挥任何作用……

Micheal Anderson
05:19 AM on 03/26/2013
Also took a few years to build.
也要花很多年来建设。

JRElliott
05:57 AM on 03/26/2013
Surprised to hear a Republican advocating a big-government-sponsored program that employs people in construction. Sounds like a put-people-to-work-stimulus-program to me.
I guess I'd prefer high-speed rail infrastructure, which facilitates movement of people and goods from A to B, rather than fence infrastructure that impedes the flow of immigrants, which seems to have been in the US-to-México direction lately.
很惊讶会听到一个共和党人投票支持政府出资雇人来搞基础建设。听起来像是增加工作岗位刺激经济的工程。
我更倾向于建高铁，它能够促进A和B之间的人员和物资流动；总好过建一个围栏来阻止移民潮， 好像最近有很多人从美国入境墨西哥倒是真的。


haybarn
11:00 PM on 03/25/2013
Um, "If China can build a Great Wall that accomplished nothing other than attracting tourists, (and East Germany built a Berlin Wall that eventually accomplished nothing) then we can build a Border Fence that eventually accomplishes nothing too."
嗯，既然中国建造的长城除了吸引游客外毫无作用（东德建有柏林墙，也毫无作用），那么我们建一条围栏也毫无作用。


James Lorenzato
04:09 AM on 03/26/2013
Republicans apparently aren't long on history any more than on any other kinds of facts.
Do the words Mongol Empire ring a bell? That wall didn't exactly work, did it?
共和党人看来不擅长于历史了，就像别的事情一样。
蒙古帝国这个词有没有唤醒回忆？那个城墙没起到任何作用，不是吗？

Phyllis Copeland
04:56 AM on 03/26/2013
Should we bother to point out that the Great Wall took over 1400 years to build by seven different dynasties? Oh, and no-one point out that these dynasties employed slaves, requiring no wages, pensions, health care and if the workers died on the job, well, that's the cost of doing business, right? Fun fact - only weak, xenophobic dynasties built and added to the Great Wall. The Tang and the Song dynasties, who were stronger on diplomacy and learned to play well with others never troubled themselves with the whole wall business and were arguably the most successful of the ancient dynasties ... certainly they were among the wealthiest!
And the GOP sneer at people who have history degrees! (Mine is actually in Graphic Design, but that's still considered Liberal Arts. National Geographic had a terrific piece on the Great Wall a few years back and I love history, so I just ate it up! :-) Perhaps if these GOP types troubled themselves to learn a little history, too, they could save a few billions dollars into the bargain!
难道要我指出长城是7个不同的朝代经历了1400多年才建成的吗？噢，也没有人指出这些朝代征用奴隶，不用付薪水、养老金、医疗，而这个工程唯一的付出就是在工地上死亡的工人，对吗？有趣的是，只有那些软弱无能的朝代才会建造和修补长城。唐朝和宋朝，这两个对外强势且懂得如何与他国共处的朝代就不会费心去修补长城，毫无疑问它们是最成功的朝代……当然也是最富有的朝代！
而大老党（共和党的别称）嘲笑那些拥有历史学位的人。（实际上我是做平面设计的，但也可以认为是人文学科。几年前国家地理播出了一部关于长城的影片，非常棒，而且我喜爱历史，就从头到尾看了一遍！）如果这些老大党人能够费点精力去学一点历史，或许他们就不会在这个问题上花费数十亿美元了！


big tom
03:44 AM on 03/26/2013
bought some more stock in that fence company did ya steve.
从那家围栏公司再多买点股票 ，对吗？史蒂夫？


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l78lancer
03:34 AM on 03/26/2013
The Wall can be built. No problem. King only needs several hundred thousand slaves and a few hundred years.
The Steve King Jobs Bill.
没问题,可以建造城墙.国王(议员名字King,一语双关)需要的只是数十万的奴隶和数百年的时间而已.
史蒂夫.金就业法案


Annieke
03:29 AM on 03/26/2013
Perhaps it is better to build a wall around Iowa and keep King and the people who voted for him inside of that wall. Much safer for the rest of the country.
最好是在爱荷华州周围建一道城墙,让那些为KING投票的人和KING一起住在里面.这样其他地区才会更安全


harmlesstree
12:18 AM on 03/26/2013
Well since the Mongols conquered China in the 13th century, the Great Wall of China has be viewed as a spectacular failure.
So even if the Mexicans has constructed such a wall, it probably would not have kept the aggressive and expansionist Americans from conquering half of Mexico in 1848.
And Mexico is hardly a Third World country. Mexico has the 11th largest economy in the world, and in overall per capita terms is like an Eastern European country, and there are regions that are wealthier than that. Mexico does suffer from extreme income equality, (something Republicans love) which is embodied by the fact that Mexico is home to the world's richest person.
But I would not expect Steve King to be aware of any of this .
自从蒙古人在13世纪征服了中国以后,中国的长城就已经被视为一个巨大的失败.
所以即使墨西哥人建造了这样一道城墙,也极有可能阻止不了充满侵略性和扩张主义的美国人在1848年划走墨西哥一半的领土.
墨西哥不仅仅只是世界第三国家那么简单，墨西哥是全球的第十一大经济体,总体人均收入水平仅和东欧国家一样,
当然有些地区可是富裕得多,墨西哥有着极大的贫富差距，（共和党人最爱这个）从世界首富来自墨西哥这一点上可以看得出来不过我可没指望史蒂夫.金能意识到这一切

ta2t2o
12:37 AM on 03/26/2013
Good point about the income inequality. Perhaps it's a vision of the future of the US if they don't do something about the income inequality here.
很好的关于收入差距的观点 。或者这就是美国未来的模板，如果他们不想办法改变收入差距的话。

shuckydurns
12:49 AM on 03/26/2013
Excellent points. A better wall to compare to is the Berlin Wall. I found the exact figures some years ago, but have since lost and forgotten them. I do remember the BW cost was enormous to build and maintain it. 10's of millions yearly for 97 miles of killing fields. We're not gonna do that ... no way ... no how. How about Senator Steve cutting US subsidies for grains so we don't under cut the Mexican farmer? How about really doing something to persuade Mexico to make life in Mexico bearable for all of it's citizens? Help them in prudent fashions if we need to do that. Most human beings don't want to leave where they're born when they are comfortable. If you don't think so, spend some time in the hollows of Appalachia.
好主意。柏林墙就是最佳参照物。几年前我查阅了些数据，但最近找不到，忘记了。我可以确定的是柏林墙的建造和维护花销巨大。 只有97英里长的柏林墙每年的开销就是几千万美元 。我们决不能那样做……没门……不可以。史蒂夫议员为什么不削减粮食补贴这样我们就不用剥削墨西哥的农民？为什么不做些实际性的工作来劝说墨西哥建设他们的家园以养活他们的人民？如果需要我们就减少消费来帮助他们。如果生活安定，大多数人不会离开他们出生的地方。如果你不认同，那么到阿帕拉契亚山谷呆上一段时间。


antonymous
01:58 AM on 03/26/2013
Two of the last three dynasties in China were founded by "barbarian" invaders - the Mongol Yuan Dynasty and the Manchu Qing Dynasty. So...good job, wall?
中国最近的3个朝代有2个是有“野蛮的”入侵者建立的——蒙古的元朝和满清的清朝。所以……长城，干得不错？

brooklynbai
02:42 AM on 03/26/2013
Let's not forget the Great Wall of China essentially failed because the invaders were able to just go around it, which is just as possible with a border fence on the border or in some cases under.
不要忘记中国的长城实际上失败了，因为入侵者可以绕开它， 所以在美墨边境建围栏的效果也是一样的。