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In order to preservetheir stealthiness and keep the RCS (Radar Cross Section) as low as possible,radar-evading planes rely on weapons bay: bombs and missiles to be fired arekept inside the bays until it’s time to use them.


为了保证隐身性能和尽可能小的RCS(雷达反射截面),隐形飞机主要是依赖弹舱:炸弹和导弹在发射前就放置在弹舱之内直到使用时才伸出仓外。

For instance, theF-35 can carry one AIM-120D (AIM-120C8), on a trapeze : when needed, the BVR(Beyond Visual Range) missile is lowered into the airstream on the open bombbay door, and ejected.

举个例子,F-35能在在悬挂架上装载一枚AIM-120D(AIM-120CB)超视距导弹,在需要时,将导弹下降至弹舱外,然后发射。

F-22 Raptors usecanted trapeze to put the AIM-9 Sidewinder seeked into the airstream to achievea lock on the target as the side bay doors are open.

Once the missile isfired, the bay doors close up.

F-22猛禽战斗机使用倾斜式悬挂架装载AIM-9响尾蛇导弹,该导弹在发射时是从侧弹舱中伸出、锁定目标并发射。
一旦导弹成功发射,弹舱门就会关闭。

Obviously, suchmethod requires the stealth plane to fly with the open bay doors for a certainamount of time, a condition that can limit the aircraft performance,maneuverability, and increases the overall plane’s RCS, with a temporaryexposure of the aircraft to the enemy radars.
Something that can bequite lethal in a Within Visual Range scenario.

很显然,这种导弹发射方法需要在一定时间内使弹舱门保持打开状态,从而在一定程度上限制飞机的性能、可操作性,而且会增加整个飞机的雷达反射面积,使飞机暂时暴露在敌军雷达之中。
这种情况在视距内将会是致命的。

The problem is to bepartly solved with the use of missiles featuring the Lock On After Launchcapability. With this kind of missile (available on the Raptor when the AIM-9Mwill be replaced by the AIM-9X Block II) the bay doors remain open just thetime it is needed to eject the missile into the airstream.

这个问题可使用一种具有发射后锁定能力的导弹解决一部分。这种导弹(当AIM-9M导弹被替换为AIM-9X Block II导弹后可用于猛禽战斗机)仅仅在导弹需要发射时才打开弹舱门。

However, China mighthave found a clever solution to the problem, as the latest images of the J-20Mighty Dragon stealth fighter jet, emerging from the Chinese Internet, seem tosuggest.

然后,根据在中国互联网上获得的歼20枭龙战斗机(注:可能是翻译者疏忽,此处错误)的最新图像可以看出,中国可能已经找到了一个更聪明的解决方案。

Indeed, the secondprototype of the aircraft features a missile deployment device on the sideweapons bay which extracts the selected air-to-air missile and then closes thedoor to keep the reduced RCS.

事实上,这个第二代原型机在侧弹舱具有一个导弹部署设备,能够抽出选择好的空对空导弹然后关上弹舱门以减小雷达反射截面。

Simpler and probablycheaper than the use of LOAL missiles, the J-20′s deployment device shows thatChinese engineers are not simply copying U.S. tech: if not improving it, theyare at least troubleshooting some of the issues already faced by their Americancounterparts, with some clever ideas.

比使用发射后锁定型导弹更简单、很有可能更便宜,歼20的导弹部署设备表明中国工程师们不是只会简单地山寨美国技术。如果不去动手改善这些技术,他们至少会用一些聪明的点子来诊断一些已经摆在美国同行面前的问题。

The missile launchrail was used to carry the PL-10 IR air-to-air missile during tests.

在测试中,该导弹发射架用于装载PL-10IR空对空导弹。

以下为评论:

Orville's Orifice onMar 26, 7:52 PM said:
Ah, yes. All those $$the wealthy folks (like Romney) funneled to their best buds the commie redchinese, by offshoring US jobs. Made all those military improvements possible.
Say thanks to theright wingers, wealthy, etc for helping the commie red chinese, children.
Oh, and startlearning to speak Chinese.

啊哦,是的。正是这些富人们(比如罗姆尼)通过把工作机会送给海对岸他们最哥们的红色中国人的形式送钱,才让这些军事进步成为可能。
给这些右翼人士、财阀等等帮助过红色中国人的人说声谢谢吧,孩子。
哦,而且现在开始学习汉语吧

BH on Mar 27, 10:26AM said:
@Orville's Orifice:When was the last time we had a POTUS who was feared?

回楼上:我们什么时候有过能让人害怕的总统么?

CaptGizmo on Mar 27,11:05 AM said:
@BH: Why in the worldwould you want a President that people fear?

回楼上:你为啥想要一个让人们害怕的总统呢?

Brenden on Mar 26,8:18 PM said:
Interestingconsidering China could not develop the engines on its own and had to purchasethem originally from Russia

有意思,想想中国开发不出来自己的引擎而不得不从俄国人手里买的这件事。

@Brenden: Because theengine is the hardest part to master, they can build their own engines, justnot as good as the USA and Russians right now.

回楼上:因为引擎是最难制造的部分,他们可以生产自己的引擎,只不过是没有美国和俄国的好而已。

Brenden on Mar 27,12:52 PM said:
@efd: Ya I knowthat..my point is the article makes it seem that the Chinnese are going aboveand beyond what the US has already done. When really they cant even manufactureengines that quailty to go in the j-20 without help.

回楼上:是的,这我知道。我要说的是这个报道搞的好像中国已经赶超美国水准似的。实际上他们在没有别人的帮助下连装配歼20的引擎都生产不出来。

macksey7  on Mar 27, 6:27 AM said:
well, its the not thebest name for an aircraft

我去,这个名字不适合飞机吧(注:指枭龙,因为国外的龙像恐龙)

lukmanleong on Mar27, 10:41 AM said:
at least it didn'tcost over a trillion dollar and it is airborne.

至少这个飞机没有花费超过一万亿美元,而且它还能飞。(注:这是在讽刺F-35战斗机)

thebigcicero on Mar27, 11:27 AM said:
@lukmanleong: Whenyou steal plans from Lockheed Martin, it costs you a lot less.

回楼上:你直接从洛克希德-马丁公司(注:F-35的开发商)偷技术,这样便宜多了。



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龙腾转载
http://www.ltaaa.com/bbs/thread-155105-1-1.html

原帖地址:http://www.businessinsider.com/c ... ver-upgrades-2013-3

In order to preservetheir stealthiness and keep the RCS (Radar Cross Section) as low as possible,radar-evading planes rely on weapons bay: bombs and missiles to be fired arekept inside the bays until it’s time to use them.


为了保证隐身性能和尽可能小的RCS(雷达反射截面),隐形飞机主要是依赖弹舱:炸弹和导弹在发射前就放置在弹舱之内直到使用时才伸出仓外。

For instance, theF-35 can carry one AIM-120D (AIM-120C8), on a trapeze : when needed, the BVR(Beyond Visual Range) missile is lowered into the airstream on the open bombbay door, and ejected.

举个例子,F-35能在在悬挂架上装载一枚AIM-120D(AIM-120CB)超视距导弹,在需要时,将导弹下降至弹舱外,然后发射。

F-22 Raptors usecanted trapeze to put the AIM-9 Sidewinder seeked into the airstream to achievea lock on the target as the side bay doors are open.

Once the missile isfired, the bay doors close up.

F-22猛禽战斗机使用倾斜式悬挂架装载AIM-9响尾蛇导弹,该导弹在发射时是从侧弹舱中伸出、锁定目标并发射。
一旦导弹成功发射,弹舱门就会关闭。

Obviously, suchmethod requires the stealth plane to fly with the open bay doors for a certainamount of time, a condition that can limit the aircraft performance,maneuverability, and increases the overall plane’s RCS, with a temporaryexposure of the aircraft to the enemy radars.
Something that can bequite lethal in a Within Visual Range scenario.

很显然,这种导弹发射方法需要在一定时间内使弹舱门保持打开状态,从而在一定程度上限制飞机的性能、可操作性,而且会增加整个飞机的雷达反射面积,使飞机暂时暴露在敌军雷达之中。
这种情况在视距内将会是致命的。

The problem is to bepartly solved with the use of missiles featuring the Lock On After Launchcapability. With this kind of missile (available on the Raptor when the AIM-9Mwill be replaced by the AIM-9X Block II) the bay doors remain open just thetime it is needed to eject the missile into the airstream.

这个问题可使用一种具有发射后锁定能力的导弹解决一部分。这种导弹(当AIM-9M导弹被替换为AIM-9X Block II导弹后可用于猛禽战斗机)仅仅在导弹需要发射时才打开弹舱门。

However, China mighthave found a clever solution to the problem, as the latest images of the J-20Mighty Dragon stealth fighter jet, emerging from the Chinese Internet, seem tosuggest.

然后,根据在中国互联网上获得的歼20枭龙战斗机(注:可能是翻译者疏忽,此处错误)的最新图像可以看出,中国可能已经找到了一个更聪明的解决方案。

Indeed, the secondprototype of the aircraft features a missile deployment device on the sideweapons bay which extracts the selected air-to-air missile and then closes thedoor to keep the reduced RCS.

事实上,这个第二代原型机在侧弹舱具有一个导弹部署设备,能够抽出选择好的空对空导弹然后关上弹舱门以减小雷达反射截面。

Simpler and probablycheaper than the use of LOAL missiles, the J-20′s deployment device shows thatChinese engineers are not simply copying U.S. tech: if not improving it, theyare at least troubleshooting some of the issues already faced by their Americancounterparts, with some clever ideas.

比使用发射后锁定型导弹更简单、很有可能更便宜,歼20的导弹部署设备表明中国工程师们不是只会简单地山寨美国技术。如果不去动手改善这些技术,他们至少会用一些聪明的点子来诊断一些已经摆在美国同行面前的问题。

The missile launchrail was used to carry the PL-10 IR air-to-air missile during tests.

在测试中,该导弹发射架用于装载PL-10IR空对空导弹。

以下为评论:

Orville's Orifice onMar 26, 7:52 PM said:
Ah, yes. All those $$the wealthy folks (like Romney) funneled to their best buds the commie redchinese, by offshoring US jobs. Made all those military improvements possible.
Say thanks to theright wingers, wealthy, etc for helping the commie red chinese, children.
Oh, and startlearning to speak Chinese.

啊哦,是的。正是这些富人们(比如罗姆尼)通过把工作机会送给海对岸他们最哥们的红色中国人的形式送钱,才让这些军事进步成为可能。
给这些右翼人士、财阀等等帮助过红色中国人的人说声谢谢吧,孩子。
哦,而且现在开始学习汉语吧

BH on Mar 27, 10:26AM said:
@Orville's Orifice:When was the last time we had a POTUS who was feared?

回楼上:我们什么时候有过能让人害怕的总统么?

CaptGizmo on Mar 27,11:05 AM said:
@BH: Why in the worldwould you want a President that people fear?

回楼上:你为啥想要一个让人们害怕的总统呢?

Brenden on Mar 26,8:18 PM said:
Interestingconsidering China could not develop the engines on its own and had to purchasethem originally from Russia

有意思,想想中国开发不出来自己的引擎而不得不从俄国人手里买的这件事。

@Brenden: Because theengine is the hardest part to master, they can build their own engines, justnot as good as the USA and Russians right now.

回楼上:因为引擎是最难制造的部分,他们可以生产自己的引擎,只不过是没有美国和俄国的好而已。

Brenden on Mar 27,12:52 PM said:
@efd: Ya I knowthat..my point is the article makes it seem that the Chinnese are going aboveand beyond what the US has already done. When really they cant even manufactureengines that quailty to go in the j-20 without help.

回楼上:是的,这我知道。我要说的是这个报道搞的好像中国已经赶超美国水准似的。实际上他们在没有别人的帮助下连装配歼20的引擎都生产不出来。

macksey7  on Mar 27, 6:27 AM said:
well, its the not thebest name for an aircraft

我去,这个名字不适合飞机吧(注:指枭龙,因为国外的龙像恐龙)

lukmanleong on Mar27, 10:41 AM said:
at least it didn'tcost over a trillion dollar and it is airborne.

至少这个飞机没有花费超过一万亿美元,而且它还能飞。(注:这是在讽刺F-35战斗机)

thebigcicero on Mar27, 11:27 AM said:
@lukmanleong: Whenyou steal plans from Lockheed Martin, it costs you a lot less.

回楼上:你直接从洛克希德-马丁公司(注:F-35的开发商)偷技术,这样便宜多了。



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龙腾转载
http://www.ltaaa.com/bbs/thread-155105-1-1.html
20的代号可不是枭龙
轮到鬼子吐槽了
Alayaski 发表于 2013-3-29 16:01
20的代号可不是枭龙
看到了,不过没改,还是原样把龙腾的译文搬过来了...

不过不得不说J20的那个设计很巧妙啊 虽然倒不是什么高科技
这方面比娘娘优势大很多啊
md又酸又苦
Mighty Dragon 是威龙
这次没说偷得?
想起当时看王华明视频的时候他说我们有一些土办法,还是很兴奋的。
土办法办大事情。
美奸,典型的美奸!

杀,必须杀!  

民 主 他全家,自 由 他全族!

对啊,这技术是从落马买来的。。。。(看完最后一个评论有感)
当第一次看到那个gif的时候我就是到CD水很深
不过不得不说J20的那个设计很巧妙啊 虽然倒不是什么高科技
还是很酸, 瞎扯F35和J20引擎,,,,,

航母+四代机会让他们闭嘴的
风从心起 发表于 2013-3-29 17:03
不过不得不说J20的那个设计很巧妙啊 虽然倒不是什么高科技
还好是F-20和F35列装后我们的蛋蛋架子才亮相的,要不MD要山寨我们的,然后再说是我们偷了人家的下蛋蛋架子的技术。
还好是F-20和F35列装后我们的蛋蛋架子才亮相的,要不MD要山寨我们的,然后再说是我们偷了人家的下蛋蛋架子 ...
他们会说这是娘娘弃之不用的设计被华裔工程师偷窃回国,并拟对该工程师展开调查-李文和现代版
Tony-ma 发表于 2013-3-29 17:26
还好是F-20和F35列装后我们的蛋蛋架子才亮相的,要不MD要山寨我们的,然后再说是我们偷了人家的下蛋蛋架子 ...
很有这种可能。。。
告诉他们,J-20叫“猎擒”,不是枭龙。
这个结构估计会被后来者山寨,报应来了
没有这么夸张吧,不就是个转动机构,其实算不上什么高科技的。
威龙应该翻译成magnificent dragon,猛龙才是mighty dragon。
要是后来者山寨J20的蛋架子,那是要沉受多大的心里压力啊
开心
腹部弹仓不会不会和22一样只能一直开着发射完了才关上

zc-kf 发表于 2013-3-29 19:46
腹部弹仓不会不会和22一样只能一直开着发射完了才关上


腹部装载的蛋蛋的发射方式不同,是先抛出,再点火的那种,而不需要轨道发射。
过程是:开门,扔下去,关门。
zc-kf 发表于 2013-3-29 19:46
腹部弹仓不会不会和22一样只能一直开着发射完了才关上


腹部装载的蛋蛋的发射方式不同,是先抛出,再点火的那种,而不需要轨道发射。
过程是:开门,扔下去,关门。
中国飞机没有发动机地球人都知道
IR是红外啊,应该翻译出来的,搞得好像PL-10的改型一样
再接再厉,以后发动鸡问题解决了看他们吐槽什么。。
有PL10IR,也就可以有PL10RF

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这次国内外的找爸党,算是无话可说了
sdf120 发表于 2013-3-29 20:31
这次国内外的找爸党,算是无话可说了
他们会说这是MD放弃的方案,被我们偷过来了而已。。。读才国家的战斗机怎么可能比伟大的民主的人类的救星的美利坚合众国的飞机好?这一定是体制问题,我不禁陷入了沉思之中。。。
rainbow152 发表于 2013-3-29 20:40
他们会说这是MD放弃的方案,被我们偷过来了而已。。。读才国家的战斗机怎么可能比伟大的民主的人类的救星 ...
是呀就像从来不及格的学生 突然开始连续满分 月月进年级前10,然后就有人开始把他往坏处想.
中国人的平均智商本来就比美国高出15多,设计高超很正常的。
立场客观的人都会承认这是独出心裁, 别具一格的创新设计.
土办法就是简单实用的办法
cbsczhcsc 发表于 2013-3-29 21:25
土办法就是简单实用的办法
我倒觉得,简单而有效的工程设计反而最难
我相信细节决定成败!
Tony-ma 发表于 2013-3-29 17:26
还好是F-20和F35列装后我们的蛋蛋架子才亮相的,要不MD要山寨我们的,然后再说是我们偷了人家的下蛋蛋架子 ...
MD的方向是发射后锁定,所以他们没在这上边太耗脑筋
歼15舰载机 发表于 2013-3-29 21:51
MD的方向是发射后锁定,所以他们没在这上边太耗脑筋
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