超级军网镜头下的中国：消逝中的上海贫民窟
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Vanishing Shanghai
《外交政策》镜头下的中国：消逝中的上海贫民窟
简介：
Meet thepeople left behind amid the boom in China's largest city.
在中国最大的城市，上海，繁华的背后，还生活着这样的一群人……
BY HOWARD W.FRENCH
OCTOBER 15,2012
原作者：HOWARD W. FRENCH
于2012年10月15日
（译者：早在世博会期间，FP就曾发表一篇名为《上海的另一面》的黑白摄影主题，以世博会期间被拆迁的房屋、老城区、垃圾废墟堆为主题，风格极其类似本帖。在此补充，以兹参考）
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I'vetravelled extensively throughout China. While Westerners love to seepicturesque hovels where the people live their traditional lives the peoplethemselves want to live in safe, clean and modern accommodations. There isplenty of tradition in China and now the noveau riche are buying up oldcourtyard dwellings in the remaining hutongs and gentrifying them.
我去过中国的很多地方。西方人喜欢看到中国人住在破烂的小屋，过着旧式生活的场景，但中国人自己却更愿意住进安全、干净的现代化住房。在对传统的保护方面，中国人已经做得很好了，这几座旧房子说明不了什么。如今许多有钱人还会买下胡同之类的老式民居，并把它们扩建成现代化舒适的住所。
When the BigMoney comes, your individual biological and cultural uniqueness will bereplaced by....mile after mile of sterile concrete, computer-generated cityplans, with artful, appropriate greenery islands, and other thoughtfuladditions to the Perfect City. If you're not a suitable addition to thebackground scenery, you can/will be removed. Hail, progress!
独特的文化被冰冷的钢筋水泥、电脑生成的城市规划所替代，旧有的痕迹被抹去，代之以精心设置的绿化带和装饰。而这一切都是为了经济利益。只要你不能和谐的融于背景，你总有一天会被抹去，或早或晚。哈哈，一切为了发展，发展万岁！
It isinevitable that people will be excluded from the benefits of rising economicproductivity, as long as the process of urban development remains"captured" by vested interests. In China, this is well-placed CCPofficials. The price of apartments in most Chinese cities is simply obscene.
只要城市经济的发展还被少数既得利益者掌控，就一定会有人难以享受经济发展带来的成果。在中国，所谓既得利益者往往是养尊处优的xx党员。中国城市的房价居高不下，如果这些人真的能秉承自由市场竞争的理念，那么的贫民窟的问题起码能解决90%。讽刺的是，劳工关系，土地租赁等等问题早在卡尔·马克斯的时代就已经有了解答，但今天的人们似乎都忘了。
In an agewhen energy costs will only go up, suburbanization comes to an end.Suburbanization is the product of cheap energy. Same as with big gas guzzlingcars. People live in cities to save energy costs, as in not having todrive long distances to get to work.Energy used to be cheap in America, and after using a lot of it, we beganimporting it even more cheaply from the Arabs. But all of that is now history,as will be suburbia soon enough. The "American Dream" is barelysubsisting on fumes.
当能源价格升高到一定程度是，城市扩展的速度必然会下降乃至停止。那些耗油量大的汽车也是如此，为了节约能源，驾车去远处上班将不会成为人们的首选。过去美国的能源也是很便宜的，不够的话就向阿拉伯进口便宜油。。。但现在这一切都是历史了，美国的城市扩张也快到极限了。现在“美国梦”已经不那么需要大量能源了。
It's nodifferent than the way people lived in London, or New York, or in any citywhere people came from rural areas -whether locally or as immigrants fromcountries overseas - to live in crammed and overcrowded slum conditions. These are the early, unhappy stages ofurbanization. That's why not many of these people are smiling. Their hope isthat their children will live better in a generation or two.
图中的生活和伦敦人，纽约人的生活也没太大区别。哪个城市没有住在破旧巷子里的人呢。只是他们的生活并不一定那么幸福，所以可以看到图中很多人脸上都没有笑容。他们的毕生夙愿，或许就是让自己的子女能够过上比自己更好的生活吧。
Newsflash:There are POOR PEOPLE in China!!
特大新闻：中国居然有穷人！
哎呦，真是值得报道的消息啊。
This isembarrassingly derivative. You're abouta decade too late to take advantage of the "black and white photos ofsenior citizens in lane houses" zeitgeist.
现在还玩这一手真的很傻缺啊。这篇报道用“黑白照片+穷街陋巷”的手法渲染氛围制造暗示，只不过晚了十年。这招早用烂了。
Oh look,another piece focusing on China's negative side, and surely the only conclusionis they lack FREEDOM!!! and DEMOCRACY!!!!.
哦，又来报道中国黑暗面了吧。我都猜到结论了，不就是“缺乏民主自由”么？
但是，你可千万别去洛杉矶的贫民窟，其他的穷人区也要绕着走…因为那儿可是有自由有民煮的地方呀！怎么能有穷困，有不好的地方呢？咱们还是去中国吧，就盯着他们的短处看，别看自己的了。
Oh look another person who thinks he has thecool edgy take on China. Hate to break your bubble, but it's true. China lacksdemocracy, freedom, and a huge host of other problems that can't be swept awayby economic growth. It's a screwed up country that has no comparison toAmerican life. American trailer park inhabitants have ahigher standard of life than 75% of Shanghai. Live here long enough and you'llunderstand just how messed up this country is, you goddamn armchair culturewarrior. China's "disadvantaged" population is larger than thepopulation of the whole US.
楼上还以为自己多理性呢。别狡辩，事实就是事实。中国缺乏民主自由，而且经济问题一大堆，都没法解决。这个国家糟糕透顶，绝不能和美国相比。就是美国乡下人住的破屋子，也比75%的上海人的房子要好。楼上眼里中国的腐朽之处都是好的，可只要你在中国住的久一点，你就会明白这个国家已经乱到了什么程度。中国二等公民的数量比整个美国人口还要多。
"China's"disadvantaged" population is larger than the population of the wholeUS."
"Chinalacks democracy, freedom, and a huge host of other problems that can't be sweptaway by economic growth. "
No you don'tneed democracy and freedom to put food on the table, to provide decent homes,healthcare, education, and best of all, a high degree of social mobility wherepeople can realize their dreams of getting rich. These are not the inherentqualities of democracy and freedom. Any government worth its saltshould be able to deliver these with or without democracy and freedom which isoften oversold and over promoted by those with vested interests.
“中国二等公民的数量比整个美国人口还要多”——中国的人口是美国的4.5倍啊，穷人多一点有什么奇怪的么？根据官方统计，美国的穷人已经有四千六百万了，还有好几千无家可归之人。现在很多夫妻每天都要倒两班，可日子还是过得捉襟见肘。这就是在人权之地，世界最大的民主国家的现状。
“中国缺乏民主自由，而且经济问题一大堆，都没法解决。”——民主自由能做到什么？能让餐桌上堆满食物么？能让人住上体面的房子么？能给人起码的教育医疗么？还有，最关键的，能给人民以机遇，让人有机会实现自己的致富梦吗？
有了民主自由，并不意味着这些东西自己就会出现。但若是一个称职有为的政府便能做到这些，不管它是不是“民主自由”的。更何况，民主自由早已经被那些既得利益者捧得过高了。
（回lss）
Yes you areright, I am sorry, the only thing China lack is FREEDOM!!! and DEMOCRACY!!!!
I wish Chinawould be more like the DEMOCRATIC!!! FREE!!! India, Haiti, Philippines,Indonesia, Iraq, Afganistan where they have much higher living standard thanChina, where the peace loving government provide for it is people whereeverything is sunshine and rainbows.
说的对，我错了，中国最缺的就是民主自由！！！
我也希望中国变得民主自由一点啊！！！印度、海地、菲律宾、印度尼西亚、伊拉克、阿富汗——这些地方的生活水平都比中国高了几百倍对吧！！！这些国家的民主自由政府肯定又和平又慈爱，那儿的人民肯定都生活在阳光灿烂无忧无虑的天堂对吧！！！
http://www.ltaaa.com/wtfy/6255.html
Vanishing Shanghai
《外交政策》镜头下的中国：消逝中的上海贫民窟
简介：
Meet thepeople left behind amid the boom in China's largest city.
在中国最大的城市，上海，繁华的背后，还生活着这样的一群人……
BY HOWARD W.FRENCH
OCTOBER 15,2012
原作者：HOWARD W. FRENCH
于2012年10月15日
（译者：早在世博会期间，FP就曾发表一篇名为《上海的另一面》的黑白摄影主题，以世博会期间被拆迁的房屋、老城区、垃圾废墟堆为主题，风格极其类似本帖。在此补充，以兹参考）
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I'vetravelled extensively throughout China. While Westerners love to seepicturesque hovels where the people live their traditional lives the peoplethemselves want to live in safe, clean and modern accommodations. There isplenty of tradition in China and now the noveau riche are buying up oldcourtyard dwellings in the remaining hutongs and gentrifying them.
我去过中国的很多地方。西方人喜欢看到中国人住在破烂的小屋，过着旧式生活的场景，但中国人自己却更愿意住进安全、干净的现代化住房。在对传统的保护方面，中国人已经做得很好了，这几座旧房子说明不了什么。如今许多有钱人还会买下胡同之类的老式民居，并把它们扩建成现代化舒适的住所。
When the BigMoney comes, your individual biological and cultural uniqueness will bereplaced by....mile after mile of sterile concrete, computer-generated cityplans, with artful, appropriate greenery islands, and other thoughtfuladditions to the Perfect City. If you're not a suitable addition to thebackground scenery, you can/will be removed. Hail, progress!
独特的文化被冰冷的钢筋水泥、电脑生成的城市规划所替代，旧有的痕迹被抹去，代之以精心设置的绿化带和装饰。而这一切都是为了经济利益。只要你不能和谐的融于背景，你总有一天会被抹去，或早或晚。哈哈，一切为了发展，发展万岁！
It isinevitable that people will be excluded from the benefits of rising economicproductivity, as long as the process of urban development remains"captured" by vested interests. In China, this is well-placed CCPofficials. The price of apartments in most Chinese cities is simply obscene.
只要城市经济的发展还被少数既得利益者掌控，就一定会有人难以享受经济发展带来的成果。在中国，所谓既得利益者往往是养尊处优的xx党员。中国城市的房价居高不下，如果这些人真的能秉承自由市场竞争的理念，那么的贫民窟的问题起码能解决90%。讽刺的是，劳工关系，土地租赁等等问题早在卡尔·马克斯的时代就已经有了解答，但今天的人们似乎都忘了。
In an agewhen energy costs will only go up, suburbanization comes to an end.Suburbanization is the product of cheap energy. Same as with big gas guzzlingcars. People live in cities to save energy costs, as in not having todrive long distances to get to work.Energy used to be cheap in America, and after using a lot of it, we beganimporting it even more cheaply from the Arabs. But all of that is now history,as will be suburbia soon enough. The "American Dream" is barelysubsisting on fumes.
当能源价格升高到一定程度是，城市扩展的速度必然会下降乃至停止。那些耗油量大的汽车也是如此，为了节约能源，驾车去远处上班将不会成为人们的首选。过去美国的能源也是很便宜的，不够的话就向阿拉伯进口便宜油。。。但现在这一切都是历史了，美国的城市扩张也快到极限了。现在“美国梦”已经不那么需要大量能源了。
It's nodifferent than the way people lived in London, or New York, or in any citywhere people came from rural areas -whether locally or as immigrants fromcountries overseas - to live in crammed and overcrowded slum conditions. These are the early, unhappy stages ofurbanization. That's why not many of these people are smiling. Their hope isthat their children will live better in a generation or two.
图中的生活和伦敦人，纽约人的生活也没太大区别。哪个城市没有住在破旧巷子里的人呢。只是他们的生活并不一定那么幸福，所以可以看到图中很多人脸上都没有笑容。他们的毕生夙愿，或许就是让自己的子女能够过上比自己更好的生活吧。
Newsflash:There are POOR PEOPLE in China!!
特大新闻：中国居然有穷人！
哎呦，真是值得报道的消息啊。
This isembarrassingly derivative. You're abouta decade too late to take advantage of the "black and white photos ofsenior citizens in lane houses" zeitgeist.
现在还玩这一手真的很傻缺啊。这篇报道用“黑白照片+穷街陋巷”的手法渲染氛围制造暗示，只不过晚了十年。这招早用烂了。
Oh look,another piece focusing on China's negative side, and surely the only conclusionis they lack FREEDOM!!! and DEMOCRACY!!!!.
哦，又来报道中国黑暗面了吧。我都猜到结论了，不就是“缺乏民主自由”么？
但是，你可千万别去洛杉矶的贫民窟，其他的穷人区也要绕着走…因为那儿可是有自由有民煮的地方呀！怎么能有穷困，有不好的地方呢？咱们还是去中国吧，就盯着他们的短处看，别看自己的了。
Oh look another person who thinks he has thecool edgy take on China. Hate to break your bubble, but it's true. China lacksdemocracy, freedom, and a huge host of other problems that can't be swept awayby economic growth. It's a screwed up country that has no comparison toAmerican life. American trailer park inhabitants have ahigher standard of life than 75% of Shanghai. Live here long enough and you'llunderstand just how messed up this country is, you goddamn armchair culturewarrior. China's "disadvantaged" population is larger than thepopulation of the whole US.
楼上还以为自己多理性呢。别狡辩，事实就是事实。中国缺乏民主自由，而且经济问题一大堆，都没法解决。这个国家糟糕透顶，绝不能和美国相比。就是美国乡下人住的破屋子，也比75%的上海人的房子要好。楼上眼里中国的腐朽之处都是好的，可只要你在中国住的久一点，你就会明白这个国家已经乱到了什么程度。中国二等公民的数量比整个美国人口还要多。
"China's"disadvantaged" population is larger than the population of the wholeUS."
"Chinalacks democracy, freedom, and a huge host of other problems that can't be sweptaway by economic growth. "
No you don'tneed democracy and freedom to put food on the table, to provide decent homes,healthcare, education, and best of all, a high degree of social mobility wherepeople can realize their dreams of getting rich. These are not the inherentqualities of democracy and freedom. Any government worth its saltshould be able to deliver these with or without democracy and freedom which isoften oversold and over promoted by those with vested interests.
“中国二等公民的数量比整个美国人口还要多”——中国的人口是美国的4.5倍啊，穷人多一点有什么奇怪的么？根据官方统计，美国的穷人已经有四千六百万了，还有好几千无家可归之人。现在很多夫妻每天都要倒两班，可日子还是过得捉襟见肘。这就是在人权之地，世界最大的民主国家的现状。
“中国缺乏民主自由，而且经济问题一大堆，都没法解决。”——民主自由能做到什么？能让餐桌上堆满食物么？能让人住上体面的房子么？能给人起码的教育医疗么？还有，最关键的，能给人民以机遇，让人有机会实现自己的致富梦吗？
有了民主自由，并不意味着这些东西自己就会出现。但若是一个称职有为的政府便能做到这些，不管它是不是“民主自由”的。更何况，民主自由早已经被那些既得利益者捧得过高了。
（回lss）
Yes you areright, I am sorry, the only thing China lack is FREEDOM!!! and DEMOCRACY!!!!
I wish Chinawould be more like the DEMOCRATIC!!! FREE!!! India, Haiti, Philippines,Indonesia, Iraq, Afganistan where they have much higher living standard thanChina, where the peace loving government provide for it is people whereeverything is sunshine and rainbows.
说的对，我错了，中国最缺的就是民主自由！！！
我也希望中国变得民主自由一点啊！！！印度、海地、菲律宾、印度尼西亚、伊拉克、阿富汗——这些地方的生活水平都比中国高了几百倍对吧！！！这些国家的民主自由政府肯定又和平又慈爱，那儿的人民肯定都生活在阳光灿烂无忧无虑的天堂对吧！！！
http://www.ltaaa.com/wtfy/6255.html
《外交政策》镜头下的中国：消逝中的上海贫民窟
简介：
Meet thepeople left behind amid the boom in China's largest city.
在中国最大的城市，上海，繁华的背后，还生活着这样的一群人……
BY HOWARD W.FRENCH
OCTOBER 15,2012
原作者：HOWARD W. FRENCH
于2012年10月15日
（译者：早在世博会期间，FP就曾发表一篇名为《上海的另一面》的黑白摄影主题，以世博会期间被拆迁的房屋、老城区、垃圾废墟堆为主题，风格极其类似本帖。在此补充，以兹参考）
此处只放置部分图片。全系列图片可移步原链接观看：http://www.foreignpolicy.com/art ... anishing_shanghai#2
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I'vetravelled extensively throughout China. While Westerners love to seepicturesque hovels where the people live their traditional lives the peoplethemselves want to live in safe, clean and modern accommodations. There isplenty of tradition in China and now the noveau riche are buying up oldcourtyard dwellings in the remaining hutongs and gentrifying them.
我去过中国的很多地方。西方人喜欢看到中国人住在破烂的小屋，过着旧式生活的场景，但中国人自己却更愿意住进安全、干净的现代化住房。在对传统的保护方面，中国人已经做得很好了，这几座旧房子说明不了什么。如今许多有钱人还会买下胡同之类的老式民居，并把它们扩建成现代化舒适的住所。
When the BigMoney comes, your individual biological and cultural uniqueness will bereplaced by....mile after mile of sterile concrete, computer-generated cityplans, with artful, appropriate greenery islands, and other thoughtfuladditions to the Perfect City. If you're not a suitable addition to thebackground scenery, you can/will be removed. Hail, progress!
独特的文化被冰冷的钢筋水泥、电脑生成的城市规划所替代，旧有的痕迹被抹去，代之以精心设置的绿化带和装饰。而这一切都是为了经济利益。只要你不能和谐的融于背景，你总有一天会被抹去，或早或晚。哈哈，一切为了发展，发展万岁！
It isinevitable that people will be excluded from the benefits of rising economicproductivity, as long as the process of urban development remains"captured" by vested interests. In China, this is well-placed CCPofficials. The price of apartments in most Chinese cities is simply obscene.
只要城市经济的发展还被少数既得利益者掌控，就一定会有人难以享受经济发展带来的成果。在中国，所谓既得利益者往往是养尊处优的xx党员。中国城市的房价居高不下，如果这些人真的能秉承自由市场竞争的理念，那么的贫民窟的问题起码能解决90%。讽刺的是，劳工关系，土地租赁等等问题早在卡尔·马克斯的时代就已经有了解答，但今天的人们似乎都忘了。
In an agewhen energy costs will only go up, suburbanization comes to an end.Suburbanization is the product of cheap energy. Same as with big gas guzzlingcars. People live in cities to save energy costs, as in not having todrive long distances to get to work.Energy used to be cheap in America, and after using a lot of it, we beganimporting it even more cheaply from the Arabs. But all of that is now history,as will be suburbia soon enough. The "American Dream" is barelysubsisting on fumes.
当能源价格升高到一定程度是，城市扩展的速度必然会下降乃至停止。那些耗油量大的汽车也是如此，为了节约能源，驾车去远处上班将不会成为人们的首选。过去美国的能源也是很便宜的，不够的话就向阿拉伯进口便宜油。。。但现在这一切都是历史了，美国的城市扩张也快到极限了。现在“美国梦”已经不那么需要大量能源了。
It's nodifferent than the way people lived in London, or New York, or in any citywhere people came from rural areas -whether locally or as immigrants fromcountries overseas - to live in crammed and overcrowded slum conditions. These are the early, unhappy stages ofurbanization. That's why not many of these people are smiling. Their hope isthat their children will live better in a generation or two.
图中的生活和伦敦人，纽约人的生活也没太大区别。哪个城市没有住在破旧巷子里的人呢。只是他们的生活并不一定那么幸福，所以可以看到图中很多人脸上都没有笑容。他们的毕生夙愿，或许就是让自己的子女能够过上比自己更好的生活吧。
Newsflash:There are POOR PEOPLE in China!!
特大新闻：中国居然有穷人！
哎呦，真是值得报道的消息啊。
This isembarrassingly derivative. You're abouta decade too late to take advantage of the "black and white photos ofsenior citizens in lane houses" zeitgeist.
现在还玩这一手真的很傻缺啊。这篇报道用“黑白照片+穷街陋巷”的手法渲染氛围制造暗示，只不过晚了十年。这招早用烂了。
Oh look,another piece focusing on China's negative side, and surely the only conclusionis they lack FREEDOM!!! and DEMOCRACY!!!!.
哦，又来报道中国黑暗面了吧。我都猜到结论了，不就是“缺乏民主自由”么？
但是，你可千万别去洛杉矶的贫民窟，其他的穷人区也要绕着走…因为那儿可是有自由有民煮的地方呀！怎么能有穷困，有不好的地方呢？咱们还是去中国吧，就盯着他们的短处看，别看自己的了。
Oh look another person who thinks he has thecool edgy take on China. Hate to break your bubble, but it's true. China lacksdemocracy, freedom, and a huge host of other problems that can't be swept awayby economic growth. It's a screwed up country that has no comparison toAmerican life. American trailer park inhabitants have ahigher standard of life than 75% of Shanghai. Live here long enough and you'llunderstand just how messed up this country is, you goddamn armchair culturewarrior. China's "disadvantaged" population is larger than thepopulation of the whole US.
楼上还以为自己多理性呢。别狡辩，事实就是事实。中国缺乏民主自由，而且经济问题一大堆，都没法解决。这个国家糟糕透顶，绝不能和美国相比。就是美国乡下人住的破屋子，也比75%的上海人的房子要好。楼上眼里中国的腐朽之处都是好的，可只要你在中国住的久一点，你就会明白这个国家已经乱到了什么程度。中国二等公民的数量比整个美国人口还要多。
"China's"disadvantaged" population is larger than the population of the wholeUS."
"Chinalacks democracy, freedom, and a huge host of other problems that can't be sweptaway by economic growth. "
No you don'tneed democracy and freedom to put food on the table, to provide decent homes,healthcare, education, and best of all, a high degree of social mobility wherepeople can realize their dreams of getting rich. These are not the inherentqualities of democracy and freedom. Any government worth its saltshould be able to deliver these with or without democracy and freedom which isoften oversold and over promoted by those with vested interests.
“中国二等公民的数量比整个美国人口还要多”——中国的人口是美国的4.5倍啊，穷人多一点有什么奇怪的么？根据官方统计，美国的穷人已经有四千六百万了，还有好几千无家可归之人。现在很多夫妻每天都要倒两班，可日子还是过得捉襟见肘。这就是在人权之地，世界最大的民主国家的现状。
“中国缺乏民主自由，而且经济问题一大堆，都没法解决。”——民主自由能做到什么？能让餐桌上堆满食物么？能让人住上体面的房子么？能给人起码的教育医疗么？还有，最关键的，能给人民以机遇，让人有机会实现自己的致富梦吗？
有了民主自由，并不意味着这些东西自己就会出现。但若是一个称职有为的政府便能做到这些，不管它是不是“民主自由”的。更何况，民主自由早已经被那些既得利益者捧得过高了。
（回lss）
Yes you areright, I am sorry, the only thing China lack is FREEDOM!!! and DEMOCRACY!!!!
I wish Chinawould be more like the DEMOCRATIC!!! FREE!!! India, Haiti, Philippines,Indonesia, Iraq, Afganistan where they have much higher living standard thanChina, where the peace loving government provide for it is people whereeverything is sunshine and rainbows.
说的对，我错了，中国最缺的就是民主自由！！！
我也希望中国变得民主自由一点啊！！！印度、海地、菲律宾、印度尼西亚、伊拉克、阿富汗——这些地方的生活水平都比中国高了几百倍对吧！！！这些国家的民主自由政府肯定又和平又慈爱，那儿的人民肯定都生活在阳光灿烂无忧无虑的天堂对吧！！！
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Vanishing Shanghai
《外交政策》镜头下的中国：消逝中的上海贫民窟
简介：
Meet thepeople left behind amid the boom in China's largest city.
在中国最大的城市，上海，繁华的背后，还生活着这样的一群人……
BY HOWARD W.FRENCH
OCTOBER 15,2012
原作者：HOWARD W. FRENCH
于2012年10月15日
（译者：早在世博会期间，FP就曾发表一篇名为《上海的另一面》的黑白摄影主题，以世博会期间被拆迁的房屋、老城区、垃圾废墟堆为主题，风格极其类似本帖。在此补充，以兹参考）
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I'vetravelled extensively throughout China. While Westerners love to seepicturesque hovels where the people live their traditional lives the peoplethemselves want to live in safe, clean and modern accommodations. There isplenty of tradition in China and now the noveau riche are buying up oldcourtyard dwellings in the remaining hutongs and gentrifying them.
我去过中国的很多地方。西方人喜欢看到中国人住在破烂的小屋，过着旧式生活的场景，但中国人自己却更愿意住进安全、干净的现代化住房。在对传统的保护方面，中国人已经做得很好了，这几座旧房子说明不了什么。如今许多有钱人还会买下胡同之类的老式民居，并把它们扩建成现代化舒适的住所。
When the BigMoney comes, your individual biological and cultural uniqueness will bereplaced by....mile after mile of sterile concrete, computer-generated cityplans, with artful, appropriate greenery islands, and other thoughtfuladditions to the Perfect City. If you're not a suitable addition to thebackground scenery, you can/will be removed. Hail, progress!
独特的文化被冰冷的钢筋水泥、电脑生成的城市规划所替代，旧有的痕迹被抹去，代之以精心设置的绿化带和装饰。而这一切都是为了经济利益。只要你不能和谐的融于背景，你总有一天会被抹去，或早或晚。哈哈，一切为了发展，发展万岁！
It isinevitable that people will be excluded from the benefits of rising economicproductivity, as long as the process of urban development remains"captured" by vested interests. In China, this is well-placed CCPofficials. The price of apartments in most Chinese cities is simply obscene.
只要城市经济的发展还被少数既得利益者掌控，就一定会有人难以享受经济发展带来的成果。在中国，所谓既得利益者往往是养尊处优的xx党员。中国城市的房价居高不下，如果这些人真的能秉承自由市场竞争的理念，那么的贫民窟的问题起码能解决90%。讽刺的是，劳工关系，土地租赁等等问题早在卡尔·马克斯的时代就已经有了解答，但今天的人们似乎都忘了。
In an agewhen energy costs will only go up, suburbanization comes to an end.Suburbanization is the product of cheap energy. Same as with big gas guzzlingcars. People live in cities to save energy costs, as in not having todrive long distances to get to work.Energy used to be cheap in America, and after using a lot of it, we beganimporting it even more cheaply from the Arabs. But all of that is now history,as will be suburbia soon enough. The "American Dream" is barelysubsisting on fumes.
当能源价格升高到一定程度是，城市扩展的速度必然会下降乃至停止。那些耗油量大的汽车也是如此，为了节约能源，驾车去远处上班将不会成为人们的首选。过去美国的能源也是很便宜的，不够的话就向阿拉伯进口便宜油。。。但现在这一切都是历史了，美国的城市扩张也快到极限了。现在“美国梦”已经不那么需要大量能源了。
It's nodifferent than the way people lived in London, or New York, or in any citywhere people came from rural areas -whether locally or as immigrants fromcountries overseas - to live in crammed and overcrowded slum conditions. These are the early, unhappy stages ofurbanization. That's why not many of these people are smiling. Their hope isthat their children will live better in a generation or two.
图中的生活和伦敦人，纽约人的生活也没太大区别。哪个城市没有住在破旧巷子里的人呢。只是他们的生活并不一定那么幸福，所以可以看到图中很多人脸上都没有笑容。他们的毕生夙愿，或许就是让自己的子女能够过上比自己更好的生活吧。
Newsflash:There are POOR PEOPLE in China!!
特大新闻：中国居然有穷人！
哎呦，真是值得报道的消息啊。
This isembarrassingly derivative. You're abouta decade too late to take advantage of the "black and white photos ofsenior citizens in lane houses" zeitgeist.
现在还玩这一手真的很傻缺啊。这篇报道用“黑白照片+穷街陋巷”的手法渲染氛围制造暗示，只不过晚了十年。这招早用烂了。
Oh look,another piece focusing on China's negative side, and surely the only conclusionis they lack FREEDOM!!! and DEMOCRACY!!!!.
哦，又来报道中国黑暗面了吧。我都猜到结论了，不就是“缺乏民主自由”么？
但是，你可千万别去洛杉矶的贫民窟，其他的穷人区也要绕着走…因为那儿可是有自由有民煮的地方呀！怎么能有穷困，有不好的地方呢？咱们还是去中国吧，就盯着他们的短处看，别看自己的了。
Oh look another person who thinks he has thecool edgy take on China. Hate to break your bubble, but it's true. China lacksdemocracy, freedom, and a huge host of other problems that can't be swept awayby economic growth. It's a screwed up country that has no comparison toAmerican life. American trailer park inhabitants have ahigher standard of life than 75% of Shanghai. Live here long enough and you'llunderstand just how messed up this country is, you goddamn armchair culturewarrior. China's "disadvantaged" population is larger than thepopulation of the whole US.
楼上还以为自己多理性呢。别狡辩，事实就是事实。中国缺乏民主自由，而且经济问题一大堆，都没法解决。这个国家糟糕透顶，绝不能和美国相比。就是美国乡下人住的破屋子，也比75%的上海人的房子要好。楼上眼里中国的腐朽之处都是好的，可只要你在中国住的久一点，你就会明白这个国家已经乱到了什么程度。中国二等公民的数量比整个美国人口还要多。
"China's"disadvantaged" population is larger than the population of the wholeUS."
"Chinalacks democracy, freedom, and a huge host of other problems that can't be sweptaway by economic growth. "
No you don'tneed democracy and freedom to put food on the table, to provide decent homes,healthcare, education, and best of all, a high degree of social mobility wherepeople can realize their dreams of getting rich. These are not the inherentqualities of democracy and freedom. Any government worth its saltshould be able to deliver these with or without democracy and freedom which isoften oversold and over promoted by those with vested interests.
“中国二等公民的数量比整个美国人口还要多”——中国的人口是美国的4.5倍啊，穷人多一点有什么奇怪的么？根据官方统计，美国的穷人已经有四千六百万了，还有好几千无家可归之人。现在很多夫妻每天都要倒两班，可日子还是过得捉襟见肘。这就是在人权之地，世界最大的民主国家的现状。
“中国缺乏民主自由，而且经济问题一大堆，都没法解决。”——民主自由能做到什么？能让餐桌上堆满食物么？能让人住上体面的房子么？能给人起码的教育医疗么？还有，最关键的，能给人民以机遇，让人有机会实现自己的致富梦吗？
有了民主自由，并不意味着这些东西自己就会出现。但若是一个称职有为的政府便能做到这些，不管它是不是“民主自由”的。更何况，民主自由早已经被那些既得利益者捧得过高了。
（回lss）
Yes you areright, I am sorry, the only thing China lack is FREEDOM!!! and DEMOCRACY!!!!
I wish Chinawould be more like the DEMOCRATIC!!! FREE!!! India, Haiti, Philippines,Indonesia, Iraq, Afganistan where they have much higher living standard thanChina, where the peace loving government provide for it is people whereeverything is sunshine and rainbows.
说的对，我错了，中国最缺的就是民主自由！！！
我也希望中国变得民主自由一点啊！！！印度、海地、菲律宾、印度尼西亚、伊拉克、阿富汗——这些地方的生活水平都比中国高了几百倍对吧！！！这些国家的民主自由政府肯定又和平又慈爱，那儿的人民肯定都生活在阳光灿烂无忧无虑的天堂对吧！！！
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到底汉字是翻译还是英文是翻译
东乡平八郎 发表于 2012-11-3 15:05 ![]()
到底汉字是翻译还是英文是翻译
方言翻译成中文
到底汉字是翻译还是英文是翻译
方言翻译成中文
最后那位老兄真黑，高级黑，但黑得有品。
文章逻辑混乱，拆贫民窟又说怪话，不拆又评击你人民生活糟糕
最后一个高级黑啊