超级军网ZT龙腾 世界各国的债务情况
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正文翻译
世界各国之间的债务比较(数值由占该国单年GDP的百分比计算)
总债务
政府债务
家庭负债
金融负债
WEALTH ebbs away a lot faster than debt. Our interactive guide shows levels of debt as a % of GDP for a selection of rich countries and emerging markets. With a few exceptions, such as Germany and Japan, most rich countries saw a huge rise in debt levels in the years running up to the crisis. Unwinding these dues will take a lot longer. In many rich countries the process of debt reduction hasn’t even started. Research by the McKinsey Global Institute shows that America has begun to pare its debt burden, although the drop is small compared with the build-up in 2000-08. But many European countries are more, not less, in hock than they were in 2008. There the hangover could last another decade or more.
财富缩水的速度大大快于债务减缩的速度。我们的互动报告表明,发达国家和新兴市场的债务水平占GDP的百分比成为衡量其质量的标准之一。除了少数例外情况,比如说德国和日本,大多数富裕国家都面临着巨大的债务量急增的危机。解除这些危机或许会花费很长时间,有些发达国家已经开始减少自身所持有的债务,有些则尚未开始。麦肯锡全球研究院的调查表明,美国也开始削减债务负担,尽管美国的减债措施只能抵消2000-2008的累计债务。但许多欧洲都有着比2008年更多的债务,减债的影响有可能持续十年或更久。
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评论翻译
gcX4ZGAZcr
Is the US debt to gdp ratio correct? if you go to Treasury Direct, it shows that the total debt (external and intra government) is $15.7trn? should we not count that when looking at total debt to gdp?
美国债务与gdp之间比值正确吗?如果你看看美国的“直接债务”就能发现,美国的总债务(国内和国外债务总和)是15.7万亿美元的贷款额.我们应该计算总债务和gpd之间的关系.
Ikelaw
The new block "RID": countries Rich In Debts.
应该有个新的单词缩写"RID":国家因负债而"富裕"
Unasur
I put another chart.
http://www.usdebtclock.org/world-debt-clock.html
应该把这个图表加上.(一个即时变化的债务图表)
TdCE
It would be very interesting to see the same data before Euro was born and 5 years later. Were we all in a better shape? Is it really so important the level of debt as % of GDP?
非常有趣的是在欧洲诞生之时和五年之后我们将看到同样的数据,这对我们有利嘛?债务占GDP百分比有那么重要嘛?
comensoli
It would have been intresting Greek, South African and Australian data!
我对希腊,南非和澳大利亚的数据很感兴趣.
Kristian Schmidt
The category called "Financial" seems to be government. Categories seem switched around a time of this writing.
"金融负债"图表看起来像是"政府债务",看起来貌似搞反了.
pun.gentin reply to gewurtz
The data refers to the sum of all debt: corporate, personal, and governmental. Typically, 95% of it is owed to people/companies in the same country. So it's not really a measure of "how far in the hole are we" but rather "to what degree have we leveraged up our economy".
High overall debt loads are associated with higher GDP growth, but also higher instability and less resilience. So a balance is required.
Raising this ratio is a really easy way to create GDP growth; it's very much like printing money. Lowering the ratio is much harder; it's much like withdrawing money from circulation. Indeed, as we've found, the only way to do it is to *actually* print money to compensate (think QE).
这个数据指的是所有债务的总和:公司、个人以及政府。通常情况下,95%的个人以及公司是在同一个国家中。所以这个数据不能用来衡量"我们离危机还有多远?"但是它可以提示我们"该如何调节我们的经济".较高的整体债务负担伴随着更高的经济成长,但也意味不稳定性的增加,所以保持一个平衡是必需的。增加债务使GDP增长其实是非常简单的方法,就好比印钞票。而减债则更加困难,就像是从发行的货币中取钱那样。事实上,正如我们已经发现的那样,唯一的方法的确是去"印钞票"(想像一下量化宽松政策)。
gewurtz
Well...there hasn't been a reduction in national debt since the Kennedy years! And Obama was selling "CHANGE". Really!?
好吧..肯尼迪时代没有任何减债计划,这难道就是奥巴马给我带来的改变?
Konker
Woaahh. Look at Britain - 507%. If I didn't know, I'd say banks have been lending money they didn't have to people who couldn't afford to pay it back. And some people, like the Economist continue to say....just leave it up to the market.
哇,看看英国的负债507%.如果我不知道的话我还以为从银行借钱从来不需要还.然而有些就像<经济学人>说的那些人,只会把问题留给市场去解决.
gdpbullin reply to Konker
The economist magazine has been saying for central banks to keep failing banks afloat and for central banks to buy government debt. How is that just leaving it up to the market?
<经济学人>会告诉你让央行看着地方银行破产然后去买政府债卷,这能叫做"留给市场去收拾烂摊子?"
TugMaxin reply to gdpbull
That's their argument to avoid a massive depression in the wake of bad lending that's already happened. You can argue with that. But I think Konker is saying that the best alternative is if the bad debt isn't lent out in the first place.
这是他们避免大规模萧条后的不良贷款的根据,不过这已经发生了。你可以反对他们这么做,但我同意Konker说的,最好的办法就是不要借钱给那些还不起钱的人。
TugMax
Japan at 512%? With a shrinking work force, how will all that be paid off? Japan desperately needs to either allow more immigration or increase its marriage and birth rate.
日本是512% ?伴随着劳动力萎缩,日本该如何解决这些?日本急切需要允许更多的移民或增加它的婚姻和出生率。
Nirvana-bound
The West can thank unbridled Capitalism, unfettered laissez faire & infantile profligacy for the gruesome mess they created for themselves. It's pay-back time. We have years (decades?) of gut-wrenching austerity, pain & suffering to look forward to.
Welcome to the era of comeuppance..
这一切都应该感谢西方不受控制的资本主义的、无拘无束的自由放任外加幼稚而可怕的混乱挥霍,现在我们该付出代价了。今后的几十年需要勒紧裤带过日子,欢迎来到还债的时代. .
Buford Wilson
Now I'm convinced more than ever.
We need to elect Ron Paul in November.
现在我比以往任何时候都确信,我们(美国)需要在11月让罗恩·保罗当总统.
(罗恩·保罗,美国总统候选人.支持不干预主义的外交政策,反对干预别国政治,支持紧缩政策,反对对外战争并取消外国军事基地...这人没当总统真可惜)
Nirvana-boundin reply to Buford Wilson
Ron Paul is the only Repub hopeful who seems to have any clue, what a huge hole America is wallowing in. The rest of them are just navel-gazing, self-absorbed & clueless leader wannabies, looking out for themselves. Scary..
美国正在一个巨大的坑里打滚停滞不前,罗恩·保罗是共和党唯一的希望。其他人都是只会纸上谈兵,自私又无能的政客,看看那些人。真可怕. .
mashed potatoes
I thought United States had much higher debt/GDP, nearly 100%? Are the numbers wrong or am I reading them wrongly?
我怎么觉得美国的GDP/债务应该是经济学人说的一倍,是他们数据错了还是我读错了?(事实上是美国错了...)
vancholland77in reply to An Drew
Does the gross debt include consumer debt and municipal and state debt? Because it seems like the number would be a lot higher.
之所以债务数字看起来很高,是因为总负债包括消费者债务和政府债务.
http://www.ltaaa.com/wtfy/4851.html正文翻译
世界各国之间的债务比较(数值由占该国单年GDP的百分比计算)
总债务
政府债务
家庭负债
金融负债
WEALTH ebbs away a lot faster than debt. Our interactive guide shows levels of debt as a % of GDP for a selection of rich countries and emerging markets. With a few exceptions, such as Germany and Japan, most rich countries saw a huge rise in debt levels in the years running up to the crisis. Unwinding these dues will take a lot longer. In many rich countries the process of debt reduction hasn’t even started. Research by the McKinsey Global Institute shows that America has begun to pare its debt burden, although the drop is small compared with the build-up in 2000-08. But many European countries are more, not less, in hock than they were in 2008. There the hangover could last another decade or more.
财富缩水的速度大大快于债务减缩的速度。我们的互动报告表明,发达国家和新兴市场的债务水平占GDP的百分比成为衡量其质量的标准之一。除了少数例外情况,比如说德国和日本,大多数富裕国家都面临着巨大的债务量急增的危机。解除这些危机或许会花费很长时间,有些发达国家已经开始减少自身所持有的债务,有些则尚未开始。麦肯锡全球研究院的调查表明,美国也开始削减债务负担,尽管美国的减债措施只能抵消2000-2008的累计债务。但许多欧洲都有着比2008年更多的债务,减债的影响有可能持续十年或更久。
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评论翻译
gcX4ZGAZcr
Is the US debt to gdp ratio correct? if you go to Treasury Direct, it shows that the total debt (external and intra government) is $15.7trn? should we not count that when looking at total debt to gdp?
美国债务与gdp之间比值正确吗?如果你看看美国的“直接债务”就能发现,美国的总债务(国内和国外债务总和)是15.7万亿美元的贷款额.我们应该计算总债务和gpd之间的关系.
Ikelaw
The new block "RID": countries Rich In Debts.
应该有个新的单词缩写"RID":国家因负债而"富裕"
Unasur
I put another chart.
http://www.usdebtclock.org/world-debt-clock.html
应该把这个图表加上.(一个即时变化的债务图表)
TdCE
It would be very interesting to see the same data before Euro was born and 5 years later. Were we all in a better shape? Is it really so important the level of debt as % of GDP?
非常有趣的是在欧洲诞生之时和五年之后我们将看到同样的数据,这对我们有利嘛?债务占GDP百分比有那么重要嘛?
comensoli
It would have been intresting Greek, South African and Australian data!
我对希腊,南非和澳大利亚的数据很感兴趣.
Kristian Schmidt
The category called "Financial" seems to be government. Categories seem switched around a time of this writing.
"金融负债"图表看起来像是"政府债务",看起来貌似搞反了.
pun.gentin reply to gewurtz
The data refers to the sum of all debt: corporate, personal, and governmental. Typically, 95% of it is owed to people/companies in the same country. So it's not really a measure of "how far in the hole are we" but rather "to what degree have we leveraged up our economy".
High overall debt loads are associated with higher GDP growth, but also higher instability and less resilience. So a balance is required.
Raising this ratio is a really easy way to create GDP growth; it's very much like printing money. Lowering the ratio is much harder; it's much like withdrawing money from circulation. Indeed, as we've found, the only way to do it is to *actually* print money to compensate (think QE).
这个数据指的是所有债务的总和:公司、个人以及政府。通常情况下,95%的个人以及公司是在同一个国家中。所以这个数据不能用来衡量"我们离危机还有多远?"但是它可以提示我们"该如何调节我们的经济".较高的整体债务负担伴随着更高的经济成长,但也意味不稳定性的增加,所以保持一个平衡是必需的。增加债务使GDP增长其实是非常简单的方法,就好比印钞票。而减债则更加困难,就像是从发行的货币中取钱那样。事实上,正如我们已经发现的那样,唯一的方法的确是去"印钞票"(想像一下量化宽松政策)。
gewurtz
Well...there hasn't been a reduction in national debt since the Kennedy years! And Obama was selling "CHANGE". Really!?
好吧..肯尼迪时代没有任何减债计划,这难道就是奥巴马给我带来的改变?
Konker
Woaahh. Look at Britain - 507%. If I didn't know, I'd say banks have been lending money they didn't have to people who couldn't afford to pay it back. And some people, like the Economist continue to say....just leave it up to the market.
哇,看看英国的负债507%.如果我不知道的话我还以为从银行借钱从来不需要还.然而有些就像<经济学人>说的那些人,只会把问题留给市场去解决.
gdpbullin reply to Konker
The economist magazine has been saying for central banks to keep failing banks afloat and for central banks to buy government debt. How is that just leaving it up to the market?
<经济学人>会告诉你让央行看着地方银行破产然后去买政府债卷,这能叫做"留给市场去收拾烂摊子?"
TugMaxin reply to gdpbull
That's their argument to avoid a massive depression in the wake of bad lending that's already happened. You can argue with that. But I think Konker is saying that the best alternative is if the bad debt isn't lent out in the first place.
这是他们避免大规模萧条后的不良贷款的根据,不过这已经发生了。你可以反对他们这么做,但我同意Konker说的,最好的办法就是不要借钱给那些还不起钱的人。
TugMax
Japan at 512%? With a shrinking work force, how will all that be paid off? Japan desperately needs to either allow more immigration or increase its marriage and birth rate.
日本是512% ?伴随着劳动力萎缩,日本该如何解决这些?日本急切需要允许更多的移民或增加它的婚姻和出生率。
Nirvana-bound
The West can thank unbridled Capitalism, unfettered laissez faire & infantile profligacy for the gruesome mess they created for themselves. It's pay-back time. We have years (decades?) of gut-wrenching austerity, pain & suffering to look forward to.
Welcome to the era of comeuppance..
这一切都应该感谢西方不受控制的资本主义的、无拘无束的自由放任外加幼稚而可怕的混乱挥霍,现在我们该付出代价了。今后的几十年需要勒紧裤带过日子,欢迎来到还债的时代. .
Buford Wilson
Now I'm convinced more than ever.
We need to elect Ron Paul in November.
现在我比以往任何时候都确信,我们(美国)需要在11月让罗恩·保罗当总统.
(罗恩·保罗,美国总统候选人.支持不干预主义的外交政策,反对干预别国政治,支持紧缩政策,反对对外战争并取消外国军事基地...这人没当总统真可惜)
Nirvana-boundin reply to Buford Wilson
Ron Paul is the only Repub hopeful who seems to have any clue, what a huge hole America is wallowing in. The rest of them are just navel-gazing, self-absorbed & clueless leader wannabies, looking out for themselves. Scary..
美国正在一个巨大的坑里打滚停滞不前,罗恩·保罗是共和党唯一的希望。其他人都是只会纸上谈兵,自私又无能的政客,看看那些人。真可怕. .
mashed potatoes
I thought United States had much higher debt/GDP, nearly 100%? Are the numbers wrong or am I reading them wrongly?
我怎么觉得美国的GDP/债务应该是经济学人说的一倍,是他们数据错了还是我读错了?(事实上是美国错了...)
vancholland77in reply to An Drew
Does the gross debt include consumer debt and municipal and state debt? Because it seems like the number would be a lot higher.
之所以债务数字看起来很高,是因为总负债包括消费者债务和政府债务.
http://www.ltaaa.com/wtfy/4851.html
世界各国之间的债务比较(数值由占该国单年GDP的百分比计算)
总债务
政府债务
家庭负债
金融负债
WEALTH ebbs away a lot faster than debt. Our interactive guide shows levels of debt as a % of GDP for a selection of rich countries and emerging markets. With a few exceptions, such as Germany and Japan, most rich countries saw a huge rise in debt levels in the years running up to the crisis. Unwinding these dues will take a lot longer. In many rich countries the process of debt reduction hasn’t even started. Research by the McKinsey Global Institute shows that America has begun to pare its debt burden, although the drop is small compared with the build-up in 2000-08. But many European countries are more, not less, in hock than they were in 2008. There the hangover could last another decade or more.
财富缩水的速度大大快于债务减缩的速度。我们的互动报告表明,发达国家和新兴市场的债务水平占GDP的百分比成为衡量其质量的标准之一。除了少数例外情况,比如说德国和日本,大多数富裕国家都面临着巨大的债务量急增的危机。解除这些危机或许会花费很长时间,有些发达国家已经开始减少自身所持有的债务,有些则尚未开始。麦肯锡全球研究院的调查表明,美国也开始削减债务负担,尽管美国的减债措施只能抵消2000-2008的累计债务。但许多欧洲都有着比2008年更多的债务,减债的影响有可能持续十年或更久。
==============================华丽的分割线==============================
评论翻译
gcX4ZGAZcr
Is the US debt to gdp ratio correct? if you go to Treasury Direct, it shows that the total debt (external and intra government) is $15.7trn? should we not count that when looking at total debt to gdp?
美国债务与gdp之间比值正确吗?如果你看看美国的“直接债务”就能发现,美国的总债务(国内和国外债务总和)是15.7万亿美元的贷款额.我们应该计算总债务和gpd之间的关系.
Ikelaw
The new block "RID": countries Rich In Debts.
应该有个新的单词缩写"RID":国家因负债而"富裕"
Unasur
I put another chart.
http://www.usdebtclock.org/world-debt-clock.html
应该把这个图表加上.(一个即时变化的债务图表)
TdCE
It would be very interesting to see the same data before Euro was born and 5 years later. Were we all in a better shape? Is it really so important the level of debt as % of GDP?
非常有趣的是在欧洲诞生之时和五年之后我们将看到同样的数据,这对我们有利嘛?债务占GDP百分比有那么重要嘛?
comensoli
It would have been intresting Greek, South African and Australian data!
我对希腊,南非和澳大利亚的数据很感兴趣.
Kristian Schmidt
The category called "Financial" seems to be government. Categories seem switched around a time of this writing.
"金融负债"图表看起来像是"政府债务",看起来貌似搞反了.
pun.gentin reply to gewurtz
The data refers to the sum of all debt: corporate, personal, and governmental. Typically, 95% of it is owed to people/companies in the same country. So it's not really a measure of "how far in the hole are we" but rather "to what degree have we leveraged up our economy".
High overall debt loads are associated with higher GDP growth, but also higher instability and less resilience. So a balance is required.
Raising this ratio is a really easy way to create GDP growth; it's very much like printing money. Lowering the ratio is much harder; it's much like withdrawing money from circulation. Indeed, as we've found, the only way to do it is to *actually* print money to compensate (think QE).
这个数据指的是所有债务的总和:公司、个人以及政府。通常情况下,95%的个人以及公司是在同一个国家中。所以这个数据不能用来衡量"我们离危机还有多远?"但是它可以提示我们"该如何调节我们的经济".较高的整体债务负担伴随着更高的经济成长,但也意味不稳定性的增加,所以保持一个平衡是必需的。增加债务使GDP增长其实是非常简单的方法,就好比印钞票。而减债则更加困难,就像是从发行的货币中取钱那样。事实上,正如我们已经发现的那样,唯一的方法的确是去"印钞票"(想像一下量化宽松政策)。
gewurtz
Well...there hasn't been a reduction in national debt since the Kennedy years! And Obama was selling "CHANGE". Really!?
好吧..肯尼迪时代没有任何减债计划,这难道就是奥巴马给我带来的改变?
Konker
Woaahh. Look at Britain - 507%. If I didn't know, I'd say banks have been lending money they didn't have to people who couldn't afford to pay it back. And some people, like the Economist continue to say....just leave it up to the market.
哇,看看英国的负债507%.如果我不知道的话我还以为从银行借钱从来不需要还.然而有些就像<经济学人>说的那些人,只会把问题留给市场去解决.
gdpbullin reply to Konker
The economist magazine has been saying for central banks to keep failing banks afloat and for central banks to buy government debt. How is that just leaving it up to the market?
<经济学人>会告诉你让央行看着地方银行破产然后去买政府债卷,这能叫做"留给市场去收拾烂摊子?"
TugMaxin reply to gdpbull
That's their argument to avoid a massive depression in the wake of bad lending that's already happened. You can argue with that. But I think Konker is saying that the best alternative is if the bad debt isn't lent out in the first place.
这是他们避免大规模萧条后的不良贷款的根据,不过这已经发生了。你可以反对他们这么做,但我同意Konker说的,最好的办法就是不要借钱给那些还不起钱的人。
TugMax
Japan at 512%? With a shrinking work force, how will all that be paid off? Japan desperately needs to either allow more immigration or increase its marriage and birth rate.
日本是512% ?伴随着劳动力萎缩,日本该如何解决这些?日本急切需要允许更多的移民或增加它的婚姻和出生率。
Nirvana-bound
The West can thank unbridled Capitalism, unfettered laissez faire & infantile profligacy for the gruesome mess they created for themselves. It's pay-back time. We have years (decades?) of gut-wrenching austerity, pain & suffering to look forward to.
Welcome to the era of comeuppance..
这一切都应该感谢西方不受控制的资本主义的、无拘无束的自由放任外加幼稚而可怕的混乱挥霍,现在我们该付出代价了。今后的几十年需要勒紧裤带过日子,欢迎来到还债的时代. .
Buford Wilson
Now I'm convinced more than ever.
We need to elect Ron Paul in November.
现在我比以往任何时候都确信,我们(美国)需要在11月让罗恩·保罗当总统.
(罗恩·保罗,美国总统候选人.支持不干预主义的外交政策,反对干预别国政治,支持紧缩政策,反对对外战争并取消外国军事基地...这人没当总统真可惜)
Nirvana-boundin reply to Buford Wilson
Ron Paul is the only Repub hopeful who seems to have any clue, what a huge hole America is wallowing in. The rest of them are just navel-gazing, self-absorbed & clueless leader wannabies, looking out for themselves. Scary..
美国正在一个巨大的坑里打滚停滞不前,罗恩·保罗是共和党唯一的希望。其他人都是只会纸上谈兵,自私又无能的政客,看看那些人。真可怕. .
mashed potatoes
I thought United States had much higher debt/GDP, nearly 100%? Are the numbers wrong or am I reading them wrongly?
我怎么觉得美国的GDP/债务应该是经济学人说的一倍,是他们数据错了还是我读错了?(事实上是美国错了...)
vancholland77in reply to An Drew
Does the gross debt include consumer debt and municipal and state debt? Because it seems like the number would be a lot higher.
之所以债务数字看起来很高,是因为总负债包括消费者债务和政府债务.
http://www.ltaaa.com/wtfy/4851.html正文翻译
世界各国之间的债务比较(数值由占该国单年GDP的百分比计算)
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金融负债
WEALTH ebbs away a lot faster than debt. Our interactive guide shows levels of debt as a % of GDP for a selection of rich countries and emerging markets. With a few exceptions, such as Germany and Japan, most rich countries saw a huge rise in debt levels in the years running up to the crisis. Unwinding these dues will take a lot longer. In many rich countries the process of debt reduction hasn’t even started. Research by the McKinsey Global Institute shows that America has begun to pare its debt burden, although the drop is small compared with the build-up in 2000-08. But many European countries are more, not less, in hock than they were in 2008. There the hangover could last another decade or more.
财富缩水的速度大大快于债务减缩的速度。我们的互动报告表明,发达国家和新兴市场的债务水平占GDP的百分比成为衡量其质量的标准之一。除了少数例外情况,比如说德国和日本,大多数富裕国家都面临着巨大的债务量急增的危机。解除这些危机或许会花费很长时间,有些发达国家已经开始减少自身所持有的债务,有些则尚未开始。麦肯锡全球研究院的调查表明,美国也开始削减债务负担,尽管美国的减债措施只能抵消2000-2008的累计债务。但许多欧洲都有着比2008年更多的债务,减债的影响有可能持续十年或更久。
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gcX4ZGAZcr
Is the US debt to gdp ratio correct? if you go to Treasury Direct, it shows that the total debt (external and intra government) is $15.7trn? should we not count that when looking at total debt to gdp?
美国债务与gdp之间比值正确吗?如果你看看美国的“直接债务”就能发现,美国的总债务(国内和国外债务总和)是15.7万亿美元的贷款额.我们应该计算总债务和gpd之间的关系.
Ikelaw
The new block "RID": countries Rich In Debts.
应该有个新的单词缩写"RID":国家因负债而"富裕"
Unasur
I put another chart.
http://www.usdebtclock.org/world-debt-clock.html
应该把这个图表加上.(一个即时变化的债务图表)
TdCE
It would be very interesting to see the same data before Euro was born and 5 years later. Were we all in a better shape? Is it really so important the level of debt as % of GDP?
非常有趣的是在欧洲诞生之时和五年之后我们将看到同样的数据,这对我们有利嘛?债务占GDP百分比有那么重要嘛?
comensoli
It would have been intresting Greek, South African and Australian data!
我对希腊,南非和澳大利亚的数据很感兴趣.
Kristian Schmidt
The category called "Financial" seems to be government. Categories seem switched around a time of this writing.
"金融负债"图表看起来像是"政府债务",看起来貌似搞反了.
pun.gentin reply to gewurtz
The data refers to the sum of all debt: corporate, personal, and governmental. Typically, 95% of it is owed to people/companies in the same country. So it's not really a measure of "how far in the hole are we" but rather "to what degree have we leveraged up our economy".
High overall debt loads are associated with higher GDP growth, but also higher instability and less resilience. So a balance is required.
Raising this ratio is a really easy way to create GDP growth; it's very much like printing money. Lowering the ratio is much harder; it's much like withdrawing money from circulation. Indeed, as we've found, the only way to do it is to *actually* print money to compensate (think QE).
这个数据指的是所有债务的总和:公司、个人以及政府。通常情况下,95%的个人以及公司是在同一个国家中。所以这个数据不能用来衡量"我们离危机还有多远?"但是它可以提示我们"该如何调节我们的经济".较高的整体债务负担伴随着更高的经济成长,但也意味不稳定性的增加,所以保持一个平衡是必需的。增加债务使GDP增长其实是非常简单的方法,就好比印钞票。而减债则更加困难,就像是从发行的货币中取钱那样。事实上,正如我们已经发现的那样,唯一的方法的确是去"印钞票"(想像一下量化宽松政策)。
gewurtz
Well...there hasn't been a reduction in national debt since the Kennedy years! And Obama was selling "CHANGE". Really!?
好吧..肯尼迪时代没有任何减债计划,这难道就是奥巴马给我带来的改变?
Konker
Woaahh. Look at Britain - 507%. If I didn't know, I'd say banks have been lending money they didn't have to people who couldn't afford to pay it back. And some people, like the Economist continue to say....just leave it up to the market.
哇,看看英国的负债507%.如果我不知道的话我还以为从银行借钱从来不需要还.然而有些就像<经济学人>说的那些人,只会把问题留给市场去解决.
gdpbullin reply to Konker
The economist magazine has been saying for central banks to keep failing banks afloat and for central banks to buy government debt. How is that just leaving it up to the market?
<经济学人>会告诉你让央行看着地方银行破产然后去买政府债卷,这能叫做"留给市场去收拾烂摊子?"
TugMaxin reply to gdpbull
That's their argument to avoid a massive depression in the wake of bad lending that's already happened. You can argue with that. But I think Konker is saying that the best alternative is if the bad debt isn't lent out in the first place.
这是他们避免大规模萧条后的不良贷款的根据,不过这已经发生了。你可以反对他们这么做,但我同意Konker说的,最好的办法就是不要借钱给那些还不起钱的人。
TugMax
Japan at 512%? With a shrinking work force, how will all that be paid off? Japan desperately needs to either allow more immigration or increase its marriage and birth rate.
日本是512% ?伴随着劳动力萎缩,日本该如何解决这些?日本急切需要允许更多的移民或增加它的婚姻和出生率。
Nirvana-bound
The West can thank unbridled Capitalism, unfettered laissez faire & infantile profligacy for the gruesome mess they created for themselves. It's pay-back time. We have years (decades?) of gut-wrenching austerity, pain & suffering to look forward to.
Welcome to the era of comeuppance..
这一切都应该感谢西方不受控制的资本主义的、无拘无束的自由放任外加幼稚而可怕的混乱挥霍,现在我们该付出代价了。今后的几十年需要勒紧裤带过日子,欢迎来到还债的时代. .
Buford Wilson
Now I'm convinced more than ever.
We need to elect Ron Paul in November.
现在我比以往任何时候都确信,我们(美国)需要在11月让罗恩·保罗当总统.
(罗恩·保罗,美国总统候选人.支持不干预主义的外交政策,反对干预别国政治,支持紧缩政策,反对对外战争并取消外国军事基地...这人没当总统真可惜)
Nirvana-boundin reply to Buford Wilson
Ron Paul is the only Repub hopeful who seems to have any clue, what a huge hole America is wallowing in. The rest of them are just navel-gazing, self-absorbed & clueless leader wannabies, looking out for themselves. Scary..
美国正在一个巨大的坑里打滚停滞不前,罗恩·保罗是共和党唯一的希望。其他人都是只会纸上谈兵,自私又无能的政客,看看那些人。真可怕. .
mashed potatoes
I thought United States had much higher debt/GDP, nearly 100%? Are the numbers wrong or am I reading them wrongly?
我怎么觉得美国的GDP/债务应该是经济学人说的一倍,是他们数据错了还是我读错了?(事实上是美国错了...)
vancholland77in reply to An Drew
Does the gross debt include consumer debt and municipal and state debt? Because it seems like the number would be a lot higher.
之所以债务数字看起来很高,是因为总负债包括消费者债务和政府债务.
http://www.ltaaa.com/wtfy/4851.html
看来如果罗恩·保罗如果上台，美国还有救
但是，资本是无国家属性的，肯定为了一己私利把美国搞死
但是，资本是无国家属性的，肯定为了一己私利把美国搞死
看看牛牛和脚盆谁先爆表。
毛子的债务居然这么少？
毛子的债务居然这么少？
household debt怎么理解，中国貌似相对稍高
寻找张菁 发表于 2012-7-3 13:02 ![]()
看来如果罗恩·保罗如果上台，美国还有救
但是，资本是无国家属性的，肯定为了一己私利把美国搞死
罗恩保罗上台对中国未必是什么好事，孤立主义或保守主义必将加剧美国的市场保护行为，对于目前还靠出口支撑的中国经济无疑是极大的负面影响。
看来如果罗恩·保罗如果上台，美国还有救
但是，资本是无国家属性的，肯定为了一己私利把美国搞死
罗恩保罗上台对中国未必是什么好事，孤立主义或保守主义必将加剧美国的市场保护行为，对于目前还靠出口支撑的中国经济无疑是极大的负面影响。
bluegod 发表于 2012-7-3 13:08 ![]()
household debt怎么理解，中国貌似相对稍高
买房子买车的贷款啊，这个数值稍高没啥，也是经济活力的表现之一。
全款买车买房，谁买的起，那房地产和汽车行业也不用发展了。
household debt怎么理解，中国貌似相对稍高
买房子买车的贷款啊，这个数值稍高没啥，也是经济活力的表现之一。
全款买车买房，谁买的起，那房地产和汽车行业也不用发展了。
日本好点的是内债占大多数，不像欧洲那几个国家，一屁股外债
俄罗斯难道没有金融业？
陆地天空海洋 发表于 2012-7-3 13:06 ![]()
看看牛牛和脚盆谁先爆表。
毛子的债务居然这么少？
普京上台后，大力整改垄断集团，特别是毛子最丰富的石油，征收石油特别税，只用3年时间就还清了国家所有的债务
看看牛牛和脚盆谁先爆表。
毛子的债务居然这么少？
普京上台后，大力整改垄断集团，特别是毛子最丰富的石油，征收石油特别税，只用3年时间就还清了国家所有的债务