挪威买F35的副作用,小龙很受伤

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小巴很早就在和挪威谈购买F35替换下来的二手F16。

挪威现有74架F16,其中56架有MLU升级。

Pakistan keen to buy F-16s from Norway
By: Our Staff Reporter | December 14, 2010         | 0

ISLAMABAD Pakistan and Norway on Monday sought to further strengthen and broaden bilateral ties in order to promote peace and stability in the region.
According to the official sources, both the countries agreed to further enhance bilateral cooperation in various fields especially defence sector at an important meeting held here between Minister for Defence, Ch Ahmed Mukhtar, and the visiting Norwegian Defence Minister, Ms Grete Faremo.
The meeting exchanged views on various subjects including defence cooperation, Pakistans counter-terrorism efforts, its contribution in UN peacekeeping operations and security situation of the region. Talking to his Norwegian counterpart, the Minister said that Norway was a friendly country and a valued partner on various international and regional issues, and Pakistan was keen to work closely with Norwegian government for furthering the bilateral relations.
He said both countries needed to enhance collaboration in the field of defence production and proposed to undertake joint ventures especially in shipbuilding and sea boats manufacturing sectors.
The Minister also conveyed that Pakistan was keen to purchase F-16 aircraft fleet which was reportedly being replaced by Norway with F-35 Lightning-II Joint Strike Fighter (JSF). The meeting also discussed Pakistans anti-terror efforts. The Minister briefed the Norwegian defence delegation about the contribution and achievements made by Pakistan in the war on terror.
He said that the international community was not helping Pakistan in true sense as the war on terror was a very expensive affair. He noted with concern that the international community had given hopes but failed to fulfil its commitment to establish Reconstruction and Opportunity Zones (ROZs) in FATA which were essential for bringing social and economic prosperity in the terror-stricken region. He termed the recent statement of the German Chancellor Angela Merkel during a press conference with the Indian Prime Manmohan Singh in Berlin as unfortunate blaming Pakistan for the Bombay terrorist attacks.
He regretted that the friendly countries were giving such biased and unfair statements despite the fact that Pakistan had been paying a heavy cost than any other country in the world, in terms of man and material losses, in the war on terror.
On the issue of cross border movements, the Minister said that there was no cross border movement by the terrorists from the Pakistans side of the border.
He said that it was not understandable that Pakistan was being blamed for the skirmishes taking place in Afghanistan despite the fact that NATO/ISAF forces manned Pak-Afghan border.
The Minister also appreciated the Norwegian support for the internally displaced persons (IDPs), flood victims and the development of Pakistan social sector particularly its assistance of US $ 7 million and US $ 11 million for the establishment of 350 community schools in FATA and basic improvement projects in the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province respectively.
Admiring Pakistans sacrifices and anti-terror contribution, Grete Faremo said that Pakistan had been playing a vital role in the war on terror, saying Pakistans role was very essential to defeat and eliminate terrorist elements.
She said that regional approach towards bringing peace and stability in Afghanistan was very important. She informed that Pakistans role and contribution in defeating terrorism and bringing peace and stability in the region was of significant importance. The Norwegian Defence Minister urged that both Pakistan and Norway needed to work together to promote regional peace and defeat terrorism. She also deeply admired Pakistans role as the biggest contributor to UN peacekeeping missions.
Later, the Norwegian Minister of Defence along with General Harald Sunde, Chief of Norwegian Armed Forces, also called on Chief of Army Staff, General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani Monday at General Headquarters. The visiting dignitaries remained with him for some time and discussed matters of mutual interest.

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/politics/14-Dec-2010/Pakistan-keen-to-buy-F16s-from-Norway

小巴很早就在和挪威谈购买F35替换下来的二手F16。

挪威现有74架F16,其中56架有MLU升级。

Pakistan keen to buy F-16s from Norway
By: Our Staff Reporter | December 14, 2010         | 0

ISLAMABAD Pakistan and Norway on Monday sought to further strengthen and broaden bilateral ties in order to promote peace and stability in the region.
According to the official sources, both the countries agreed to further enhance bilateral cooperation in various fields especially defence sector at an important meeting held here between Minister for Defence, Ch Ahmed Mukhtar, and the visiting Norwegian Defence Minister, Ms Grete Faremo.
The meeting exchanged views on various subjects including defence cooperation, Pakistans counter-terrorism efforts, its contribution in UN peacekeeping operations and security situation of the region. Talking to his Norwegian counterpart, the Minister said that Norway was a friendly country and a valued partner on various international and regional issues, and Pakistan was keen to work closely with Norwegian government for furthering the bilateral relations.
He said both countries needed to enhance collaboration in the field of defence production and proposed to undertake joint ventures especially in shipbuilding and sea boats manufacturing sectors.
The Minister also conveyed that Pakistan was keen to purchase F-16 aircraft fleet which was reportedly being replaced by Norway with F-35 Lightning-II Joint Strike Fighter (JSF). The meeting also discussed Pakistans anti-terror efforts. The Minister briefed the Norwegian defence delegation about the contribution and achievements made by Pakistan in the war on terror.
He said that the international community was not helping Pakistan in true sense as the war on terror was a very expensive affair. He noted with concern that the international community had given hopes but failed to fulfil its commitment to establish Reconstruction and Opportunity Zones (ROZs) in FATA which were essential for bringing social and economic prosperity in the terror-stricken region. He termed the recent statement of the German Chancellor Angela Merkel during a press conference with the Indian Prime Manmohan Singh in Berlin as unfortunate blaming Pakistan for the Bombay terrorist attacks.
He regretted that the friendly countries were giving such biased and unfair statements despite the fact that Pakistan had been paying a heavy cost than any other country in the world, in terms of man and material losses, in the war on terror.
On the issue of cross border movements, the Minister said that there was no cross border movement by the terrorists from the Pakistans side of the border.
He said that it was not understandable that Pakistan was being blamed for the skirmishes taking place in Afghanistan despite the fact that NATO/ISAF forces manned Pak-Afghan border.
The Minister also appreciated the Norwegian support for the internally displaced persons (IDPs), flood victims and the development of Pakistan social sector particularly its assistance of US $ 7 million and US $ 11 million for the establishment of 350 community schools in FATA and basic improvement projects in the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province respectively.
Admiring Pakistans sacrifices and anti-terror contribution, Grete Faremo said that Pakistan had been playing a vital role in the war on terror, saying Pakistans role was very essential to defeat and eliminate terrorist elements.
She said that regional approach towards bringing peace and stability in Afghanistan was very important. She informed that Pakistans role and contribution in defeating terrorism and bringing peace and stability in the region was of significant importance. The Norwegian Defence Minister urged that both Pakistan and Norway needed to work together to promote regional peace and defeat terrorism. She also deeply admired Pakistans role as the biggest contributor to UN peacekeeping missions.
Later, the Norwegian Minister of Defence along with General Harald Sunde, Chief of Norwegian Armed Forces, also called on Chief of Army Staff, General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani Monday at General Headquarters. The visiting dignitaries remained with him for some time and discussed matters of mutual interest.
性价比!
而且,巴基斯坦用F-16的历史很长,很熟悉。
那都猴年马月了
December 14, 2010
挪威要拿到F35 这队伍排到哪去了? 估计要2020年了吧
longxia 发表于 2012-6-25 17:00
挪威要拿到F35 这队伍排到哪去了? 估计要2020年了吧
也没那么晚,2016年。。。
游骑兵不骑马 发表于 2012-6-26 00:01
也没那么晚,2016年。。。
挪威排队很前?
巴铁现有的F-16本来就不多,就算买了这批,也难敌阿三现有的苏-30MKI机群,更不用说将来的阵风F3了。F-16+小龙正好高低搭配,把现有的幻影-3,超-7,强-5给退休了,节省开销~
longxia 发表于 2012-6-25 17:02
挪威排队很前?
骡马现在正愁没人买呢,挪威一开口就是上百亿的单子,能不给面子嘛?而且F-35现在已经开始量产了,作为合作国4年后接受第一架也不算过分!
小龙可以提升其航空工业生产水平的。
巴铁现有的F-16本来就不多,就算买了这批,也难敌阿三现有的苏-30MKI机群,更不用说将来的阵风F3了。F-16+小 ...
只是小龙最终的小巴采购量会少几十架而已。150架以后未必有追加订货。
johnqh 发表于 2012-6-25 17:29
只是小龙最终的小巴采购量会少几十架而已。150架以后未必有追加订货。
不论怎样超-7和强-5总要替换吧,贵的他又买不起、、、
遇到一个穷哥们,奈何?
哪跟哪啊,没啥必然联系。。
johnqh 发表于 2012-6-26 00:29
只是小龙最终的小巴采购量会少几十架而已。150架以后未必有追加订货。
这机机小巴也有投资在里面的,订货太少的话他会亏的。
longxia 发表于 2012-6-26 00:02
挪威排队很前?
合同在手排队不愁!!
有些一直在说的排队等很久(2020),没有根据,都是自己猜测!
毕竟十六的性能更好一些啊
二手的16确实不错
游骑兵不骑马 发表于 2012-6-26 00:01
也没那么晚,2016年。。。
首批4架
挪威要35干嘛,轰炸波罗的海三国?进攻鹅毛飞地?
真不明白
油霸的灰机有没有更换计划。。。
cnnetspy2000 发表于 2012-6-26 04:32
遇到一个穷哥们,奈何?
不穷的不会跟你,认了吧。
算一下小巴的F-16.

小巴在80年代共接收了40架A/B。现在还剩32架。

被禁运的F-16但是造好的有28架。反恐后美国同意把这些重新交货。现在有14架交货。

以上的都有MLU升级。

小巴又订了18架C/D,可追加18架。

这样,以上共78架,+18架可追加订货。

如果加上挪威的74架,则小巴的F-16可达170架。

小巴的战斗机总数是300架左右。

小龙开始设计的时候,小巴只有不到40的F-16。本来是想用250架小龙,加40架60做为其战斗机力量。现在看起来,如果能够把挪威的F-16买到手,是170架F-16加150架小龙。

小巴还在继续向美国寻求更多的二手F-16:

http://www.asian-defence.net/201 ... ore-used-f-16s.html

无论如何,这150架小龙之后,恐怕很难有追加订货了。


那么J10更是别想了?
LTW1002 发表于 2012-6-26 09:28
合同在手排队不愁!!
有些一直在说的排队等很久(2020),没有根据,都是自己猜测!
美国空军正式启用F35在2016年,F35量产在2019年后,详见美国国防部的报告。
有什么受伤的,这不是替我们收集许愿用的5大流氓丝带姬么?
关键是,MD会允许挪威转卖?F35上市的时候沈4是啥进度?
在能用的情况下。。二手货也不错。
rank0001 发表于 2012-6-26 10:58
美国空军正式启用F35在2016年,F35量产在2019年后,详见美国国防部的报告。
2019年是指的F35生产线达到全速率生产状态, 也就是年产一百几十架的规模, 在这之前早几年,就肯定已经开始年产几十架的批量生产了
巴铁不是要买棍子吗
枭龙/JF-17可能是目前最好的会大批量装备的现役轻型战斗机了!今后估计轻型三代甚至丝带不会有了。
F-16、JAS-39、两风、J-10算中型机,会被F-35和粽子替代吧。
白云居士 发表于 2012-6-26 11:12
2019年是指的F35生产线达到全速率生产状态, 也就是年产一百几十架的规模, 在这之前早几年,就肯定已经开 ...
2019年前买的,都是小白鼠
根本就不会受伤,F16一线,FC-1二线,这是小巴早就规划好了的。中国空军在狂买歼11,但也一样的狂买歼10
rank0001 发表于 2012-6-26 11:22
2019年前买的,都是小白鼠
照你的说法,到现在为止中国的歼十全部是用来试验小白鼠的
游骑兵不骑马 发表于 2012-6-26 00:05
巴铁现有的F-16本来就不多,就算买了这批,也难敌阿三现有的苏-30MKI机群,更不用说将来的阵风F3了。F-16+小 ...
超-7是啥?强-5去年就退了
游骑兵不骑马 发表于 2012-6-26 00:08
骡马现在正愁没人买呢,挪威一开口就是上百亿的单子,能不给面子嘛?而且F-35现在已经开始量产了,作为合 ...
MD先试用,小弟们看情况,再决定买多少

cqx7711cqx7711 发表于 2012-6-26 11:24
根本就不会受伤,F16一线,FC-1二线,这是小巴早就规划好了的。中国空军在狂买歼11,但也一样的狂买歼10


空军一年装备的J11和J10的数量也叫狂买,一年买80架J10才有资格说

如果早10年装备J10,到现在,空军可能装备800架以上的J10,可惜,过几年,4代机服役,装备J10是鸡肋,买多了,浪费资源和编制,买少了,不够用
cqx7711cqx7711 发表于 2012-6-26 11:24
根本就不会受伤,F16一线,FC-1二线,这是小巴早就规划好了的。中国空军在狂买歼11,但也一样的狂买歼10


空军一年装备的J11和J10的数量也叫狂买,一年买80架J10才有资格说

如果早10年装备J10,到现在,空军可能装备800架以上的J10,可惜,过几年,4代机服役,装备J10是鸡肋,买多了,浪费资源和编制,买少了,不够用
johnqh 发表于 2012-6-26 10:31
算一下小巴的F-16.

小巴在80年代共接收了40架A/B。现在还剩32架。
那32架最早的F-16应该服役不了多久了,到2020年就可以把它们从名单上划掉。形势确实变化快,当年枭龙计划时的情况发生了很大的变化(怎么看起来有点像我们当年搞J-10的情况,也是后来大批引进SU-27冲击了J-10计划)巴基斯坦应该是不会买够250架JF-17了,现在也看得出中巴都把重点放在全力对外推销和筹划后继机型上。不过就算是能买到这么多二手F-16,面对将来印度Su-30MKI+FGFA+阵风也是非常吃力,中四进入巴基斯坦也是迟早的事情


[quote]bizhu886 发表于 2012-6-26 12:00
空军一年装备的J11和J10的数量也叫狂买,一年买80架J10才有资格说[/quot

那要看WS10A的产量了,现在是有多少要多少

[quote]bizhu886 发表于 2012-6-26 12:00
空军一年装备的J11和J10的数量也叫狂买,一年买80架J10才有资格说[/quot

那要看WS10A的产量了,现在是有多少要多少
都经过MLU的F-16究竟还能折腾多长时间……

johnqh 发表于 2012-6-26 10:31
算一下小巴的F-16.

小巴在80年代共接收了40架A/B。现在还剩32架。


不过巴基斯坦现役的战斗机总数可不止300架,我在维基上查到的总数是448架,包括42架JF-17,63架F-16,75架幻影3,82架幻影5,186架歼-7。
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lis ... _Pakistan_Air_Force

johnqh 发表于 2012-6-26 10:31
算一下小巴的F-16.

小巴在80年代共接收了40架A/B。现在还剩32架。


不过巴基斯坦现役的战斗机总数可不止300架,我在维基上查到的总数是448架,包括42架JF-17,63架F-16,75架幻影3,82架幻影5,186架歼-7。
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lis ... _Pakistan_Air_Force