英国可能又回过头来购买F-35B

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反对党要求的

http://defense-update.com/20120304_uk-may-be-looking-to-return-to-stovl-f-35b-aircraft.html

Media sources are reporting that the United Kingdom might possibly be revisiting its previous decision to abandon the use of carrier-based STOVL aircraft. The United Kingdom’s opposition Labour Party reportedly delivered a letter to the Ministry of Defence questioning the governing Conservative Party’s ongoing defense review that supposedly may result in a reinstatement of budgetary request authority to procure the F-35B STOVL variant of the Joint Strike Fighter as part of the FY2012/13 budget request.

In the 2010 Strategic Defence and Security Review (SDSR), the Ministry of Defence announced its decision to abandon the F-35B STOVL in favor of the conventional carrier-launched F-35C variant for deployment as early as 2020. The SDSR stated that the F-35C variant was better suited to meet the needs of the Royal Air Force and Royal Navy and would prove to be a better economic fit than the F-35B STOVL variant. At the time the SDSR was being finalized, the F-35B was at serious risk of being cancelled. That threat has since been eliminated.

Speculation has been rife for many weeks regarding the possibility of high-level discussions being conducted between the US Department of Defense and the United Kingdom concerning the F-35 variant to be acquired for carrier operations.
Labour Party concerns appear to revolve around the rising costs and difficulties recently associated with the F-35 program and additional costs necessitated by a redesign of the new Queen Elizabeth-class carriers. The governing Conservative Party has admitted publicly that all aspects of the FY2012/13 budget submission are under review and a decision would be delivered to Parliament this spring.

The UK’s Future Force 2020 military reorganization blueprint includes a decision to reestablish a carrier-strike force as part of the Royal Navy’s modernization project. A reversal of the government’s decision not to deploy the F-35B STOVL variant would have a significant impact on the construction of the Queen Elizabeth-class aircraft carriers. A government study reviewing plans to redesign the new carrier force is examining the costs related to changing the designs to accommodate conventional-takeoff aircraft instead of STOVL-capable aircraft with a detailed report expected to be published later this year.

The first Queen Elizabeth-class carrier, now under construction, would require removal of the STOVL ramp if the F-35C does in fact become the aircraft variant of choice. The cost of this work is estimated to be at least $1.9 billion, an amount that could eventually be a critical factor in deciding the variant to be purchased. This first carrier, when delivered in 2016, may actually be mothballed or be sold. The second carrier is expected to be delivered sometime in 2018 and would not be placed into operation until 2020 with a projected aviation element consisting of only six aircraft.

The 2010 SDSR outlined the need to fit at least one of the new carriers with arresting gear and catapults to accommodate the F-35C variant should the F-35B STOVL variant be abandoned. The redesigned carrier is planned to be equipped with Atomics’ electromagnetic launch system, a concept that would further enhance the Royal Navy’s ability to more completely meet interoperability requirements when conducting joint operations with the United States and France.

It does appear likely that a return to the F-35B may be more of a response to the burgeoning costs of the redesign, maintenance, and operation of the aircraft carrier itself. The UK’s final decision on which variant to buy may be predicated on a reevaluation of fiscal reality and the cost of redesigning the Queen-Elizabeth-class carrier.反对党要求的

http://defense-update.com/20120304_uk-may-be-looking-to-return-to-stovl-f-35b-aircraft.html

Media sources are reporting that the United Kingdom might possibly be revisiting its previous decision to abandon the use of carrier-based STOVL aircraft. The United Kingdom’s opposition Labour Party reportedly delivered a letter to the Ministry of Defence questioning the governing Conservative Party’s ongoing defense review that supposedly may result in a reinstatement of budgetary request authority to procure the F-35B STOVL variant of the Joint Strike Fighter as part of the FY2012/13 budget request.

In the 2010 Strategic Defence and Security Review (SDSR), the Ministry of Defence announced its decision to abandon the F-35B STOVL in favor of the conventional carrier-launched F-35C variant for deployment as early as 2020. The SDSR stated that the F-35C variant was better suited to meet the needs of the Royal Air Force and Royal Navy and would prove to be a better economic fit than the F-35B STOVL variant. At the time the SDSR was being finalized, the F-35B was at serious risk of being cancelled. That threat has since been eliminated.

Speculation has been rife for many weeks regarding the possibility of high-level discussions being conducted between the US Department of Defense and the United Kingdom concerning the F-35 variant to be acquired for carrier operations.
Labour Party concerns appear to revolve around the rising costs and difficulties recently associated with the F-35 program and additional costs necessitated by a redesign of the new Queen Elizabeth-class carriers. The governing Conservative Party has admitted publicly that all aspects of the FY2012/13 budget submission are under review and a decision would be delivered to Parliament this spring.

The UK’s Future Force 2020 military reorganization blueprint includes a decision to reestablish a carrier-strike force as part of the Royal Navy’s modernization project. A reversal of the government’s decision not to deploy the F-35B STOVL variant would have a significant impact on the construction of the Queen Elizabeth-class aircraft carriers. A government study reviewing plans to redesign the new carrier force is examining the costs related to changing the designs to accommodate conventional-takeoff aircraft instead of STOVL-capable aircraft with a detailed report expected to be published later this year.

The first Queen Elizabeth-class carrier, now under construction, would require removal of the STOVL ramp if the F-35C does in fact become the aircraft variant of choice. The cost of this work is estimated to be at least $1.9 billion, an amount that could eventually be a critical factor in deciding the variant to be purchased. This first carrier, when delivered in 2016, may actually be mothballed or be sold. The second carrier is expected to be delivered sometime in 2018 and would not be placed into operation until 2020 with a projected aviation element consisting of only six aircraft.

The 2010 SDSR outlined the need to fit at least one of the new carriers with arresting gear and catapults to accommodate the F-35C variant should the F-35B STOVL variant be abandoned. The redesigned carrier is planned to be equipped with Atomics’ electromagnetic launch system, a concept that would further enhance the Royal Navy’s ability to more completely meet interoperability requirements when conducting joint operations with the United States and France.

It does appear likely that a return to the F-35B may be more of a response to the burgeoning costs of the redesign, maintenance, and operation of the aircraft carrier itself. The UK’s final decision on which variant to buy may be predicated on a reevaluation of fiscal reality and the cost of redesigning the Queen-Elizabeth-class carrier.
世界变换的很快,一切尽有可能
牛牛啊,你还能再纠结点么
纠结死了
买来买去,还是鸡肋。

跟鸡肋较上劲儿了?
其实一直没有变过,F35C是障眼法。
不可能了。牛牛看上了X-47B了,不会回头了。这个决策是准确的。

F-35B肯定是被牛牛抛弃了,作为当初最早的参与者,确有点不厚道的始乱终弃,美国人为讨好牛牛,为了彻底阉割欧洲军用航空业,忍了。
gly001 发表于 2012-3-5 10:45
不可能了。牛牛看上了X-47B了,不会回头了。这个决策是准确的。

F-35B肯定是被牛牛抛弃了,作为当初最早 ...
连C也不要了?

那女王的航母岂不是要裸奔到底?

thomas1987 发表于 2012-3-5 11:20
连C也不要了?

那女王的航母岂不是要裸奔到底?


还有F-18E/F。

放心,大不了就和美国海军一起抱团取暖。牛牛鬼精鬼精的。

一毛钱的亏都不吃,一看F-35B就是憋出来也是一残废,干脆不要了,立刻转进。
thomas1987 发表于 2012-3-5 11:20
连C也不要了?

那女王的航母岂不是要裸奔到底?


还有F-18E/F。

放心,大不了就和美国海军一起抱团取暖。牛牛鬼精鬼精的。

一毛钱的亏都不吃,一看F-35B就是憋出来也是一残废,干脆不要了,立刻转进。
gly001 发表于 2012-3-5 11:25
还有F-18E/F。

放心,大不了就和美国海军一起抱团取暖。牛牛鬼精鬼精的。
E/F。。。。?

牛牛肯定会用海台风的
穷折腾这是
到这份上,牛牛也只有纠结了。
thomas1987 发表于 2012-3-5 11:20
连C也不要了?

那女王的航母岂不是要裸奔到底?
装100架直升机也蛮壮观的

thomas1987 发表于 2012-3-5 11:27
E/F。。。。?

牛牛肯定会用海台风的


台风吹过就算了,英国佬在F-35项目上的押金是不可能退还的,洛马早花掉了。

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海台风在推销时忽悠一下三哥是真事。

三哥要是上当买单了,英国海军趁机搭个顺风车是有可能的,但现在三哥跑了,海台风就变的更加不靠谱了。这是个坑,要砸很多钱。


参展商为了讨好东道主,飞机喷上了印度空军的标志

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随便说一下,TG的歼-15也是很悲壮的,无数pp扔下去了。所以当初在自研和引进之间不断摇晃,就是因为代价太大,这个决心很难下。------------曝光时其光芒被歼-20掩盖了,军迷们的口味大大提高了,歼-15生不逢时。
thomas1987 发表于 2012-3-5 11:27
E/F。。。。?

牛牛肯定会用海台风的


台风吹过就算了,英国佬在F-35项目上的押金是不可能退还的,洛马早花掉了。

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海台风在推销时忽悠一下三哥是真事。

三哥要是上当买单了,英国海军趁机搭个顺风车是有可能的,但现在三哥跑了,海台风就变的更加不靠谱了。这是个坑,要砸很多钱。

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参展商为了讨好东道主,飞机喷上了印度空军的标志

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随便说一下,TG的歼-15也是很悲壮的,无数pp扔下去了。所以当初在自研和引进之间不断摇晃,就是因为代价太大,这个决心很难下。------------曝光时其光芒被歼-20掩盖了,军迷们的口味大大提高了,歼-15生不逢时。
F-35B根不上进度,女王只能裸奔
牛牛在玩打地鼠的游戏。。。
看似保守的牛牛,在武备的选择方面,一向眼光独特比较大胆且引领潮流。莫非伊丽莎白要成为世界上第一款无人机航母?

thomas1987 发表于 2012-3-5 11:27
E/F。。。。?

牛牛肯定会用海台风的


打脸、吃键盘什么的没意思。

参考英国佬现在的实力,搞海台风相当不靠谱,否则当初为什么没有选择海台风,而去和人家合作搞35B?这不是蛋疼吗!


-------------------------------牛牛压根儿就没有演大戏当主角的胆色,海台风和四代机相比根本就是废渣,挨打的货!要它何用!?!?:D
thomas1987 发表于 2012-3-5 11:27
E/F。。。。?

牛牛肯定会用海台风的


打脸、吃键盘什么的没意思。

参考英国佬现在的实力,搞海台风相当不靠谱,否则当初为什么没有选择海台风,而去和人家合作搞35B?这不是蛋疼吗!


-------------------------------牛牛压根儿就没有演大戏当主角的胆色,海台风和四代机相比根本就是废渣,挨打的货!要它何用!?!?:D
那么伊丽莎白女王到底是翘还是不翘呢!
坦克杀手 发表于 2012-3-5 11:54
那么伊丽莎白女王到底是翘还是不翘呢!
女王到底是翘还是不翘呢!--------------自己去问女生吧.;P
gly001 发表于 2012-3-5 11:52
打脸、吃键盘什么的没意思。

参考英国佬现在的实力,搞海台风相当不靠谱,否则当初为什么没有选择海 ...
E/F相比四代也是个废渣。。。。

身土不二,牛牛已经放出话了,如果C型完蛋,就去买欧洲舰载机,至于海台风还是还阵风没说,但是无论如何海台风也要被E/F靠谱

thomas1987 发表于 2012-3-5 12:02
E/F相比四代也是个废渣。。。。

身土不二,牛牛已经放出话了,如果C型完蛋,就去买欧洲舰载机,至于海 ...


E/F是现货,而且比较便宜,关键是成熟度高,是熟女,口碑不错。F-18这一路走过来也有几十年的时间了,可谓经验丰富深厚了,而且它一开始就是作为专业舰载机来设计的,基础非常好。单E/F这一个型号,其研制费就花费了80亿美元。

海台风没有作为专业舰载机来设计的,在这些方面完全不能相比,其潜在风险没有释放,牛牛压根儿就没有这个胆色去博。--------其研制费需要花费几十亿美元的话,牛牛去准备卖血吧!


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注意牛牛说的原话:要用欧洲的舰载战斗机,并没有挑明是英国的战斗机。这里是有区别的。
thomas1987 发表于 2012-3-5 12:02
E/F相比四代也是个废渣。。。。

身土不二,牛牛已经放出话了,如果C型完蛋,就去买欧洲舰载机,至于海 ...


E/F是现货,而且比较便宜,关键是成熟度高,是熟女,口碑不错。F-18这一路走过来也有几十年的时间了,可谓经验丰富深厚了,而且它一开始就是作为专业舰载机来设计的,基础非常好。单E/F这一个型号,其研制费就花费了80亿美元。

海台风没有作为专业舰载机来设计的,在这些方面完全不能相比,其潜在风险没有释放,牛牛压根儿就没有这个胆色去博。--------其研制费需要花费几十亿美元的话,牛牛去准备卖血吧!


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注意牛牛说的原话:要用欧洲的舰载战斗机,并没有挑明是英国的战斗机。这里是有区别的。
gly001 发表于 2012-3-5 11:58
女王到底是翘还是不翘呢!--------------自己去问女生吧.
错,这个要问亲王
thomas1987 发表于 2012-3-5 12:02
E/F相比四代也是个废渣。。。。

身土不二,牛牛已经放出话了,如果C型完蛋,就去买欧洲舰载机,至于海 ...
身土不二那是法国人。。。英国人打心底里不觉得自己和欧陆是一拨儿的,买阵风不大可能买海台风又没钱研发,最后还是得朝美国大哥要
日快落被他儿子搞疯了
请不要用方言。
不是说女王的弹射器已经下订单了么?这又要变啊。其实法国可以看在乡里乡亲的面上,出租30架阵风给他么。不是说英国飞行员也在法国的航母上训练过么,正好熟门熟路。

其实m88的发动机尺寸和ej200差不多(m88-3(直790 长3618重985),ej200(863 ,3556,900)),以达索的功力就是专门生产一批装ej200的阵风,也问题不大。也正好全了牛牛的面子,何乐而不为呢。

thomas1987 发表于 2012-3-5 11:27
E/F。。。。?

牛牛肯定会用海台风的
更不靠谱吧,马扁3哥的玩艺
上海红军战士 发表于 2012-3-5 11:51
看似保守的牛牛,在武备的选择方面,一向眼光独特比较大胆且引领潮流。莫非伊丽莎白要成为世界上第一款无人 ...

防空咋办,没制空能力连真正意义上的航妈都不算,只能两栖攻击
主动权不在自己手上带来的纠结。
E/F相比四代也是个废渣。。。。

身土不二,牛牛已经放出话了,如果C型完蛋,就去买欧洲舰载机,至于海 ...
是吗?可美海军偏偏将用超虫制空电C攻击
牛牛选择很多呢,超级虫子+超级电虫子, 另外还可以买阵风,都是现成货,看政治需求了
F35C不是有航母降落的问题么,这么看来F35B反而更靠谱一点了。
叫我选也是首选35b
主要问题还是舰载机的生产量太小了,除了MD外。为那么区区几十架甚至十几架飞机掏大把研制费用,实在肉痛。
J15也是这个问题,都知道这只是个过渡机种,生产不了几架的。
金神大赌场 发表于 2012-3-6 00:20
防空咋办,没制空能力连真正意义上的航妈都不算,只能两栖攻击
用防空蛋喽。HM的真正意义在于攻击,而非防御。如果X47B真的NB到见佛杀佛的地步(在体系的配合下),敌海军编队恐怕也吃紧。只是牛牛选择何种预警机,是个问题。

放心,牛牛不是B就是C,不过最快也要到2020年左右。
那伊丽莎白又要改回来?
thomas1987 发表于 2012-3-5 11:20
连C也不要了?

那女王的航母岂不是要裸奔到底?
人家还有  很多快退役的海鹞呢  不出我意料的话  这批海鹞还是会上伊丽莎白航母当训练机用的,起码能让空军的飞行员掌握海上起降跟垂直起降的技术
额 妞妞回来了……