16架F16战斗机要价42亿美元，伊拉克竟然被剥削到这种地 ...

不仅仅是飞机，还有配套设施，维修检测仪器等等，裸机怎么会这么贵

飞机要形成战斗力，需要大量配套的，

MD为了解放伊拉克花钱老了去了，总是要报销费用的

WW这回升级也是42亿吧

美帝在伊拉克不知捞了多少了，几乎任何环节都在捞，这点军购钱，毛毛雨啦，而且花了钱总还是能得到点飞机的吧      
还是以前那些不知所踪的重建款、石油钱等等的，还有美商那段完全不受任何法律和规则的制约横行于伊拉克时间，更为莫名其妙，最坑伊拉克人的爹

难道是打算卖给WW的那批？中国抗议一下就变成两个42亿，卖给伊拉克俄罗斯再抗议一下说不定又变成三个42亿。

找个理由明抢。

这单价.......F22？

新的世界最贵战斗机

我很奇怪美国要收美元干什么？自己印不就可以了吗？

好贵啊。。。。。

haisen 发表于 2011-9-16 18:22
我很奇怪美国要收美元干什么？自己印不就可以了吗？
美元算账,石油交付.

卖飞机有时候卖的是一个大系统，价格上面有高有低，不过以美帝的德行，肯定是要捞一大票的。
到底是16架还是18架

2亿多刀一架呢，这个，，，，您确定是f16，不是爱抚22娘娘？

可能是翻译错误吧。
一架将近3亿？怎么可能。
虽然收点保护费可以理解，但是收得太狠了，会逼得其他人换个大哥呢。

帮你们都实行民主了，付一点钱是应该的
难道让我们这些民主斗士饿着肚子帮助您们搞民主

一架将近3亿美刀····MD确实牛13

应该是全寿命期的费用

这个就当是人员培训费吧。对于MD来说，教会泯猪的伊拉克的 机师/地勤 如何 驾驶/维护 16的难度要远远大于自己使用22所面临的挑战

主要是没得选 ,只能买MD的, MD的机机中F16性价比还较高呢

暖风无痕 发表于 2011-9-16 17:51
不仅仅是飞机，还有配套设施，维修检测仪器等等，裸机怎么会这么贵

飞机要形成战斗力，需要大量配套的，
+1，说的是，不过在这里要小心挨砖

这笔钱，意义差不多是重建伊拉克空军……加上MD的自由民主教学费，不高了。

这就是霸权的好处啊

三哥从此不再寂寞!

这总比直接拿要好点

反正伊拉克有钱,有油水

白刀子进去红刀子出来

F16的正常价格在5KW到6KW，十八架应该在十亿美元左右，没错，价格肯定包括了配套设备和武器，但真要30亿？那些貌似挺懂行的，来算算到底是怎么花的？千万别把场站和雷达都算进去哦，亲！

这些人，没事喜欢替伊拉克人民玩自欺欺人

暖风无痕 发表于 2011-9-16 17:51
不仅仅是飞机，还有配套设施，维修检测仪器等等，裸机怎么会这么贵

飞机要形成战斗力，需要大量配套的，
买一架F16配一架F22的话 3亿还是很便宜的

这个价格。。比WW还打得凯子啊，上面说配套的，可以翻新闻，以前中东国家买过不少，还真没这么黑的

按照美制装备出口惯例，这个报价应该包括飞行员地勤培训、零配件、武器、升级、地面导航服务设施等等吧。伊拉克空军以前没装备过美制装备，基础设施建设就要花费不少吧。空军基地大批设备也要配备按照美国标准升级吧。这样一来根本就不算贵了。

总比毛子拿裸机低价出口，然后层层加码，年年剥削你要强。

伊拉克买这飞机干嘛，打伊朗也轮不道他呀？

伊拉克空军体系过去都是毛式的
现在要用F-16，肯定要按MD方式全部推翻重搞

光这就要交不少银子

含体系吧。毕竟伊拉克以前都是苏式体系。改成美式估计不少东西都得重建了。

暖风无痕 发表于 2011-9-16 17:51
不仅仅是飞机，还有配套设施，维修检测仪器等等，裸机怎么会这么贵

飞机要形成战斗力，需要大量配套的，
好吧，就算所有东西都配上最豪华版的，哪怕外壳镀上一层金子，要不要将近3亿刀一架？？！！而且这还是F16生产了这么多年，成本早就摊到最低的程度了，就算你说的那些再贵，也不用这么多钱啊

Sept 15/10: The US DSCA announces [PDF] Iraq’s formal request to buy 18 “F-16IQ” fighters and assorted weapons, at a cost of up to $4.2 billion. Items requested include advanced base systems. The net effect seems cleverly calibrated to give Iraq an air defense force that can handle aging threats from Syria or Iran relatively well, and perform strike missions within Iraq, without being a serious threat to more advanced air forces in the region. Regional memories among its Arab neighbors, as well as Israeli concerns, make that a smart starting point. Upgrades can always take place later, and the F-16IQs have at least some of the equipment required to handle more advanced weapons.

The exact agreed-upon official request includes:

18 F-16IQ aircraft;
24 F100-PW-229 or F110-GE-129 Increased Performance Engines;
24 APG-68v9 radar sets, the most modern radar available in Block 50 aircraft;
20 pairs of Conformal Fuel Tanks, which mount along the back/top of the F-16;
20 AN/APX-113 Advanced Identification Friend or Foe (AIFF) Systems (without Mode IV)
22 Advanced Countermeasures Electronic Systems (ACES), including the ALQ-187 Electronic Warfare System and AN/ALR-93 Radar Warning Receiver;
22 AN/ALE-47 Countermeasures Dispensing Systems (CMDS);
20 Global Positioning Systems (GPS) and Embedded GPS/Inertial Navigation Systems (INS), (using Standard Positioning Service (SPS) commercial code only)

The wording does not refer to “excess defense articles,” so presumably these will be new-build planes whose equipment suggests a downgraded F-16C/D Block 50 or so base standard. Plus, publications and technical documentation, personnel training and training equipment, ground based flight simulators, support equipment, tanker support and ferry services, modification kits, Cartridge Actuated Devices/Propellant Actuated Devices (CAD/PAD), spares and repair parts, repair and return, site survey (usually for basing), construction, and other forms of U.S. Government and contractor support services.

The order also requests weapons and equipment to arm the fighters. Here, too, a number of requests reveal downgraded or past-generation equipment, alongside other requests which are top of the line:

19 M61 20mm Vulcan multi-barrel cannons, which are mounted internally;
36 LAU-129/A Common Rail Launchers, which fit the F-16’s wingtips. They can be used with all AIM-9 missiles including the AIM-9X, and with the AIM-120 AMRAAM;
200 AIM-9L/M-8/9 Sidewinder air-to-air missiles. These missiles are effective, and the AIM-9M missiles are still in widespread American use, but they’re a generation behind the current AIM-9X;
150 AIM-7M-F1/H Sparrow Missiles. A couple of generations behind current beyond visual range air-to-air missiles. They lack the current AM-120 AMRAAM’s independent radar guidance and other improvements;
50 AGM-65D/G/H/K Maverick Air to Ground Missiles;
200 GBU-12 Paveway-II laser guided 500 lb. bombs;
50 GBU-10 Paveway-II laser guided 2,000 lb. bombs;
50 GBU-10 Paveway-III laser guided 2,000 lb. bombs with longer glide range and a “bunker busting” warhead;
20 AN/AAQ-33 Sniper or AN/AAQ-28 LITENING advanced surveillance and targeting pods. Almost certain to be Lockheed Martin’s Sniper, given LITENING’s Israeli origins;
4 F-9120 Advanced Airborne Reconnaissance Systems (AARS) or DB-110 Reconnaissance Pods (RECCE)

The principal contractors include some firms who will only be selected if their particular technologies are chosen. These are highlighted via brackets, though it’s also possible for those contractors to offer other items not subject to competition within this sale. Lockheed Martin Aeronautics is the base F-16 manufacturer, and system integrator:

Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company in Fort Worth, TX
Lockheed Martin Simulation, Training and Support in Fort Worth, TX
BAE Advanced Systems in Greenlawn, NY (F-9120 AARS pod)
Boeing Corporation in Seattle, WA
Boeing Integrated Defense Systems St Louis, MO; Long Beach, CA; and San Diego, CA
Raytheon Company in Lexington, MA and Goleta, CA
Raytheon Missile Systems in Tucson, AZ
Lockheed Martin Missile and Fire Control in Dallas, TX (Sniper pod)
Northrop-Grumman Electro-Optical Systems in Garland, TX (LITENING pod)
Northrop-Grumman Electronic Systems in Baltimore, MD
Pratt & Whitney United Technology Company in East Hartford, CT (F100-PW-229 engine)
General Electric Aircraft Engines Cincinnati, OH (F110-GE-129 IPE engine)
Goodrich ISR Systems Danbury, CT (DB-110 pod)
L3 Communications in Arlington, TX
ITT Defense Electronics and Services in McLean, VA
Symetrics Industries in Melbourne, FL

This proposed sale will include multiple trips to Iraq involving U.S. Government and contractor representatives for technical reviews/support, program management, and training over a period of 15 years.

看清楚了没？ 是18架F-16IQ，外加各种机载武器，以及先进机场设备设施，还有长达15年的飞行员培训。

Sept 15/10: The US DSCA announces [PDF] Iraq’s formal request to buy 18 “F-16IQ” fighters and assorted weapons, at a cost of up to $4.2 billion. Items requested include advanced base systems. The net effect seems cleverly calibrated to give Iraq an air defense force that can handle aging threats from Syria or Iran relatively well, and perform strike missions within Iraq, without being a serious threat to more advanced air forces in the region. Regional memories among its Arab neighbors, as well as Israeli concerns, make that a smart starting point. Upgrades can always take place later, and the F-16IQs have at least some of the equipment required to handle more advanced weapons.

The exact agreed-upon official request includes:

18 F-16IQ aircraft;
24 F100-PW-229 or F110-GE-129 Increased Performance Engines;
24 APG-68v9 radar sets, the most modern radar available in Block 50 aircraft;
20 pairs of Conformal Fuel Tanks, which mount along the back/top of the F-16;
20 AN/APX-113 Advanced Identification Friend or Foe (AIFF) Systems (without Mode IV)
22 Advanced Countermeasures Electronic Systems (ACES), including the ALQ-187 Electronic Warfare System and AN/ALR-93 Radar Warning Receiver;
22 AN/ALE-47 Countermeasures Dispensing Systems (CMDS);
20 Global Positioning Systems (GPS) and Embedded GPS/Inertial Navigation Systems (INS), (using Standard Positioning Service (SPS) commercial code only)

The wording does not refer to “excess defense articles,” so presumably these will be new-build planes whose equipment suggests a downgraded F-16C/D Block 50 or so base standard. Plus, publications and technical documentation, personnel training and training equipment, ground based flight simulators, support equipment, tanker support and ferry services, modification kits, Cartridge Actuated Devices/Propellant Actuated Devices (CAD/PAD), spares and repair parts, repair and return, site survey (usually for basing), construction, and other forms of U.S. Government and contractor support services.

The order also requests weapons and equipment to arm the fighters. Here, too, a number of requests reveal downgraded or past-generation equipment, alongside other requests which are top of the line:

19 M61 20mm Vulcan multi-barrel cannons, which are mounted internally;
36 LAU-129/A Common Rail Launchers, which fit the F-16’s wingtips. They can be used with all AIM-9 missiles including the AIM-9X, and with the AIM-120 AMRAAM;
200 AIM-9L/M-8/9 Sidewinder air-to-air missiles. These missiles are effective, and the AIM-9M missiles are still in widespread American use, but they’re a generation behind the current AIM-9X;
150 AIM-7M-F1/H Sparrow Missiles. A couple of generations behind current beyond visual range air-to-air missiles. They lack the current AM-120 AMRAAM’s independent radar guidance and other improvements;
50 AGM-65D/G/H/K Maverick Air to Ground Missiles;
200 GBU-12 Paveway-II laser guided 500 lb. bombs;
50 GBU-10 Paveway-II laser guided 2,000 lb. bombs;
50 GBU-10 Paveway-III laser guided 2,000 lb. bombs with longer glide range and a “bunker busting” warhead;
20 AN/AAQ-33 Sniper or AN/AAQ-28 LITENING advanced surveillance and targeting pods. Almost certain to be Lockheed Martin’s Sniper, given LITENING’s Israeli origins;
4 F-9120 Advanced Airborne Reconnaissance Systems (AARS) or DB-110 Reconnaissance Pods (RECCE)

The principal contractors include some firms who will only be selected if their particular technologies are chosen. These are highlighted via brackets, though it’s also possible for those contractors to offer other items not subject to competition within this sale. Lockheed Martin Aeronautics is the base F-16 manufacturer, and system integrator:

Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company in Fort Worth, TX
Lockheed Martin Simulation, Training and Support in Fort Worth, TX
BAE Advanced Systems in Greenlawn, NY (F-9120 AARS pod)
Boeing Corporation in Seattle, WA
Boeing Integrated Defense Systems St Louis, MO; Long Beach, CA; and San Diego, CA
Raytheon Company in Lexington, MA and Goleta, CA
Raytheon Missile Systems in Tucson, AZ
Lockheed Martin Missile and Fire Control in Dallas, TX (Sniper pod)
Northrop-Grumman Electro-Optical Systems in Garland, TX (LITENING pod)
Northrop-Grumman Electronic Systems in Baltimore, MD
Pratt & Whitney United Technology Company in East Hartford, CT (F100-PW-229 engine)
General Electric Aircraft Engines Cincinnati, OH (F110-GE-129 IPE engine)
Goodrich ISR Systems Danbury, CT (DB-110 pod)
L3 Communications in Arlington, TX
ITT Defense Electronics and Services in McLean, VA
Symetrics Industries in Melbourne, FL

This proposed sale will include multiple trips to Iraq involving U.S. Government and contractor representatives for technical reviews/support, program management, and training over a period of 15 years.

看清楚了没？ 是18架F-16IQ，外加各种机载武器，以及先进机场设备设施，还有长达15年的飞行员培训。

都是民煮的国家,账不会有错的.

这么多人替伊拉克跟美国洗地，真是想不到啊

应该就是原来准备给WW的那几架吧

钱收到了，东西还能再卖一遍

这是爹给的糖啊，再贵也得捏着鼻子吃了……