超级军网10年后猛禽会不会全面落伍？
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从目前的情况看，22的气动是最简洁的，50和20的气动都比22复杂，而TG的扇子15的推力性能应该比119更高，十年后肯定会完全成熟了，而那时候估计毛子的第二阶段动力也会问世，其推力性能更是明显超过119，这样看的话，10年后MD的四代机能有什么优势呢？从目前的情况看，22的气动是最简洁的，50和20的气动都比22复杂，而TG的扇子15的推力性能应该比119更高，十年后肯定会完全成熟了，而那时候估计毛子的第二阶段动力也会问世，其推力性能更是明显超过119，这样看的话，10年后MD的四代机能有什么优势呢？
10年以后J20和T50能不能形成战斗力都是未知指数F22何来的全面落伍？？
唉 美帝下一代怎么也得等个十五二十年
人家就等你，不升级？
我看不会
不用10年第五代战机就服役了，你说会不会落伍》
咋么可能？你进步人家就会原地踏步吃老本儿吗
30年后都不会落伍，MD的实力在那摆着呢，LZ可以想想SR-71只怕是再过50年都不会落伍，只会是绝唱
直接把35的雷达往上一装 20直接落后了
这话说的，你拿我们十年后的可能水平和人家现在比……
f-15在今天也不算全面落伍，何况22涅？ 10年后有几家jj能实现4s？
楼主也太小看娘娘了
10年后二代机还在服役。
涡扇15最高也就16.5.。。。而且F-22换发不可能了，给F-119螺旋升级应该可以。我觉得F-22是否落后，仅取决于美帝是否愿意花钱在它身上。
增量3.2计划表示10年后也许能完成全部升级吧.= 3=
放心吧。。。美帝会拼了命去保证其科技和军事优势。。。
10后F-22的发动机推比都可能达到15了，而新一代的隐身涂料和主动隐身技术也升级换代了，到时候刚服役的乳臭未干的土4和毛5在面对姜还是老的辣的22没有任何优势。就象87年服役的苏27一样面队同时期的F-15C没有任何优势。
flyflanker 发表于 2011-9-12 11:04 ![]()
30年后都不会落伍，MD的实力在那摆着呢，LZ可以想想SR-71只怕是再过50年都不会落伍，只会是绝唱
不要迷信美帝的科技,5年后娘娘是什么样子,正常人都知道,落伍是必然!
30年后都不会落伍，MD的实力在那摆着呢，LZ可以想想SR-71只怕是再过50年都不会落伍，只会是绝唱
不要迷信美帝的科技,5年后娘娘是什么样子,正常人都知道,落伍是必然!
I∷橗V兰∷I 发表于 2011-9-12 10:57 ![]()
不用10年第五代战机就服役了，你说会不会落伍》
五代最早要到2025年才会服役，MD那个五代机办公室去年才成立
不用10年第五代战机就服役了，你说会不会落伍》
五代最早要到2025年才会服役，MD那个五代机办公室去年才成立
武器装备的更新速度没那么快。
世界上没有什么是不会落伍的，只是十年恐怕就是T-50、J-20服役了，22也不能说“全面”落伍吧？十年后也许MD的下一代已经有模有样了呢，美国再怎么叫穷也不会让美军“忍耐”吧？
20出来就让22落伍了
人家这10年就啥都不干等你？
见过无耻 没见过这么无耻的
20刚首飞多久，性能参数你知道了？
WS15参数你知道了？
意淫中的东西你拿来和真实的东西比 你裤衩未免也太红了
除非你有铁证证明你说的就是真理
否则就是不切实际的意淫
果真是手淫强身，意淫强国
见过无耻 没见过这么无耻的
20刚首飞多久，性能参数你知道了？
WS15参数你知道了？
意淫中的东西你拿来和真实的东西比 你裤衩未免也太红了
除非你有铁证证明你说的就是真理
否则就是不切实际的意淫
果真是手淫强身，意淫强国
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On 5 January 2001, Raptor 4005 flew with the Block 3.0 software, which was the first combat-capable avionics version.[92] In June 2009, Increment 3.1 was tested at Edwards Air Force Base. This provided a basic ground-attack capability through Synthetic Aperture Radar mapping, Electronic attack and the GBU-39 Small Diameter Bomb. The Increment 3.1 Modification Team with the 412th Test Wing received the Chief of Staff Team Excellence Award for upgrading 149 Raptors.[93][94] The fleet upgrade should start at the end of 2011.[95]
"The current F-22A modernization plan will result in 34 Block 20 aircraft used for test and training, 63 combat-coded Block 30s fielded with Increment 3.1, 83 combat-coded Block 35s fielded with Increment 3.2, and 3 Edwards AFB-test coded aircraft. Consideration is also being given to upgrade the 63 Block 30s to the most capable Block 35 configuration."
Congressional dialogue on F-22 upgrades.[96]Increment 3.2 was to add an improved SDB capability, automatic ground collision avoidance system (Auto GCAS) for low level operations and the ability to use the AIM-9X Sidewinder and AIM-120D AMRAAM missiles. However, the F-22 will still lack a helmet mounted cueing system,[97] reportedly deferred over technical issues.[98][99] Increment 3.2 was expected to be fielded in FY15,[96] possibly including the Multifunction Advanced Data Link (MADL).[100][101] In July 2009 the USAF announced the modification of three business jets with the interim Battlefield Airborne Communications Node (BACN) to allow communication between F-22s and other platforms until MADL is installed.[102] In March 2010, the USAF accelerated software portions of the Increment 3.2 upgrades to be completed in FY 2013, other upgrades will be completed later.[103]
Upgrading the first 183 aircraft to the 3.2 upgrade is estimated to cost $8 billion.[104] In May 2009, Gen. Norton A. Schwartz and Air Force Secretary Michael B. Donley gave testimony to Congress that this would be paid for through the early retirement of legacy fighters.[105] A total of 249 fourth-generation fighters were retired during Fiscal Year 2010.[106]
Lockheed Martin is working on upgrading the AN/AAR-56 Missile Launch Detector (MLD) to provide situational awareness and defensive Infrared Search and Track similar to the F-35's SAIRST.[107] On 16 September 2009, Gates said "Our commitment to this aircraft is underscored by the 6 and-a half billion dollars... to upgrade the existing F-22 fleet to be fully mission-capable."[108]
Lockheed Martin has proposed upgrades to add capabilities of the newer F-35.[109] Elements such as MADL are delayed until the F-35 program is completed to reduce risk.[110] One upgrade from the F-35 is new high-durability stealth coatings to lower maintenance.[111] By 2011, the upgrade bill for the F-22 fleet had grown to $16 billion, almost $100 million per aircraft,[112] the Ada software language was blamed for slow progress and increased costs on the program, leading to a reorganization in 2011.[113] Increment 3.2A in 2014 focuses on electronic warfare, communications and identification. Increment 3.2B in 2017 will support the AIM-9X and AIM-120D missiles. Increment 3.2C in 2019 may migrate some avionics to an open platform, allowing features to be added by various companies.[114]
On 5 January 2001, Raptor 4005 flew with the Block 3.0 software, which was the first combat-capable avionics version.[92] In June 2009, Increment 3.1 was tested at Edwards Air Force Base. This provided a basic ground-attack capability through Synthetic Aperture Radar mapping, Electronic attack and the GBU-39 Small Diameter Bomb. The Increment 3.1 Modification Team with the 412th Test Wing received the Chief of Staff Team Excellence Award for upgrading 149 Raptors.[93][94] The fleet upgrade should start at the end of 2011.[95]
"The current F-22A modernization plan will result in 34 Block 20 aircraft used for test and training, 63 combat-coded Block 30s fielded with Increment 3.1, 83 combat-coded Block 35s fielded with Increment 3.2, and 3 Edwards AFB-test coded aircraft. Consideration is also being given to upgrade the 63 Block 30s to the most capable Block 35 configuration."
Congressional dialogue on F-22 upgrades.[96]Increment 3.2 was to add an improved SDB capability, automatic ground collision avoidance system (Auto GCAS) for low level operations and the ability to use the AIM-9X Sidewinder and AIM-120D AMRAAM missiles. However, the F-22 will still lack a helmet mounted cueing system,[97] reportedly deferred over technical issues.[98][99] Increment 3.2 was expected to be fielded in FY15,[96] possibly including the Multifunction Advanced Data Link (MADL).[100][101] In July 2009 the USAF announced the modification of three business jets with the interim Battlefield Airborne Communications Node (BACN) to allow communication between F-22s and other platforms until MADL is installed.[102] In March 2010, the USAF accelerated software portions of the Increment 3.2 upgrades to be completed in FY 2013, other upgrades will be completed later.[103]
Upgrading the first 183 aircraft to the 3.2 upgrade is estimated to cost $8 billion.[104] In May 2009, Gen. Norton A. Schwartz and Air Force Secretary Michael B. Donley gave testimony to Congress that this would be paid for through the early retirement of legacy fighters.[105] A total of 249 fourth-generation fighters were retired during Fiscal Year 2010.[106]
Lockheed Martin is working on upgrading the AN/AAR-56 Missile Launch Detector (MLD) to provide situational awareness and defensive Infrared Search and Track similar to the F-35's SAIRST.[107] On 16 September 2009, Gates said "Our commitment to this aircraft is underscored by the 6 and-a half billion dollars... to upgrade the existing F-22 fleet to be fully mission-capable."[108]
Lockheed Martin has proposed upgrades to add capabilities of the newer F-35.[109] Elements such as MADL are delayed until the F-35 program is completed to reduce risk.[110] One upgrade from the F-35 is new high-durability stealth coatings to lower maintenance.[111] By 2011, the upgrade bill for the F-22 fleet had grown to $16 billion, almost $100 million per aircraft,[112] the Ada software language was blamed for slow progress and increased costs on the program, leading to a reorganization in 2011.[113] Increment 3.2A in 2014 focuses on electronic warfare, communications and identification. Increment 3.2B in 2017 will support the AIM-9X and AIM-120D missiles. Increment 3.2C in 2019 may migrate some avionics to an open platform, allowing features to be added by various companies.[114]
消失两百年! 发表于 2011-9-12 11:40 ![]()
不要迷信美帝的科技,5年后娘娘是什么样子,正常人都知道,落伍是必然!
经过升级的F15、16、18现在落伍吗？ 在过5年后娘娘的航电就不能升级？
不要迷信美帝的科技,5年后娘娘是什么样子,正常人都知道,落伍是必然!
经过升级的F15、16、18现在落伍吗？ 在过5年后娘娘的航电就不能升级？
不过十年后中国和俄罗斯的发动机能到什么程度还是未知数，因为两个国家迄今为止都没有大批量生产使用推重比8至9一级大推的经验，技术积累显然不如美国
F22机体+F35航电，又是一条崭新的娘娘
楼主的思维方式与众不同啊
不要说22，连15现在还没全面落伍，何况 22
jwcq 发表于 2011-9-12 12:03 ![]()
经过升级的F15、16、18现在落伍吗？ 在过5年后娘娘的航电就不能升级？
平台不行.随你怎样去升级!
经过升级的F15、16、18现在落伍吗？ 在过5年后娘娘的航电就不能升级？
平台不行.随你怎样去升级!
50年后 T50也赶不上F22.....
就你跑步前进， 人家原地踏步啊！！！！
消失两百年! 发表于 2011-9-12 12:11 ![]()
平台不行.随你怎样去升级!
相对22，F15、16、18平台是不行了
，但你能说22的平台不行？
平台不行.随你怎样去升级!
相对22，F15、16、18平台是不行了
，但你能说22的平台不行？消失两百年! 发表于 2011-9-12 12:11 ![]()
平台不行.随你怎样去升级!
F-15这个平台可以说是三代里特点最少的,但是请问目前为止敢于拍胸脯说自己可以完全压到F-15"阿拉斯加鹰"的三代机有哪些?
平台不行.随你怎样去升级!
F-15这个平台可以说是三代里特点最少的,但是请问目前为止敢于拍胸脯说自己可以完全压到F-15"阿拉斯加鹰"的三代机有哪些?
SV-51r 发表于 2011-9-12 12:16 ![]()
F-15这个平台可以说是三代里特点最少的,但是请问目前为止敢于拍胸脯说自己可以完全压到F-15"阿拉斯加鹰"的 ...
你反过来问?F-15"阿拉斯加鹰请问目前为止敢于拍胸脯说能搞定那些JJ!是双风?还是J系?还是苏系?
F-15这个平台可以说是三代里特点最少的,但是请问目前为止敢于拍胸脯说自己可以完全压到F-15"阿拉斯加鹰"的 ...
你反过来问?F-15"阿拉斯加鹰请问目前为止敢于拍胸脯说能搞定那些JJ!是双风?还是J系?还是苏系?
jwcq 发表于 2011-9-12 12:16 ![]()
相对22，F15、16、18平台是不行了 ，但你能说22的平台不行？
22的平台是4代中最差的:D
相对22，F15、16、18平台是不行了 ，但你能说22的平台不行？
22的平台是4代中最差的:D
听说的"某大推的性能指标基本达标,就是耐用性还不行",但是如果明天F22来了20也是可以上去的,所以大家要理解在人大门口那句话-美国人很清楚.
消失两百年! 发表于 2011-9-12 12:33 ![]()
你反过来问?F-15"阿拉斯加鹰请问目前为止敢于拍胸脯说能搞定那些JJ!是双风?还是J系?还是苏系?
完全压倒歼-11B和SU-35BM有什么问题吗?
航电上盖过现在的双风又有什么问题吗?
你反过来问?F-15"阿拉斯加鹰请问目前为止敢于拍胸脯说能搞定那些JJ!是双风?还是J系?还是苏系?
完全压倒歼-11B和SU-35BM有什么问题吗?
航电上盖过现在的双风又有什么问题吗?
一等毅勇侯 发表于 2011-9-12 10:56 ![]()
10年以后J20和T50能不能形成战斗力都是未知指数F22何来的全面落伍？？
50情况不知道，不乱说。
20形成战斗力更大因素取决于周边环境，而不是本身进度。
10年以后J20和T50能不能形成战斗力都是未知指数F22何来的全面落伍？？
50情况不知道，不乱说。
20形成战斗力更大因素取决于周边环境，而不是本身进度。