超级军网转帖 中国逆向种族主义者 在国外攻击中国
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中国——地球的黑洞
China --- Earth's black hole
楼主aihumon中国
Black hole, is the form of the planet death ,with loss of vitality ,meaning of the death of things.And China, as the black hole in our planet ,is a form of community ,with ceaseless annexation , is like a cancer of the earth .it's threatening life on Earth and human society's future.
黑洞，一种行星毁灭后,死气沉沉的形态，意味着某种事物的死亡。而中国，就如我们星球上的黑洞一般，作为一种社会形态，它无休止的吞并着他人，可谓是“地球之癌”。对于地球还是人类社会的未来而言，这都是一种危险的存在。
Geographically, china is on the eastern end of the mainland , surrounded by the tallest mountain on the west and the south, and endless desert on the north, by the east is the vast Pacific,adn only in the northwest panhandle, could communicate with Eurasia.
从地理位置上说,中国位于欧亚大陆的东端，西部与南部被世界上最高的山所环绕，北部则有着无边无际的荒漠，而东部沿海则与广袤的太平洋西北部交接。（因而）只有西北部的狭长地带可以与欧亚其他国家进行交流。
Geographically obturated, the original ancestors of the Han nationality here got maximum space for their own development to a large social organizations.The same organizations fusion ultimately, became a largest country of single ethnic . With the effect of centripetal force, the country's organizations were increasingly dense, adn strong national pressure droped in each person, everyone's mind are unclenched, what the monster country's tentacles are tied to ,and people tied the ropes each other so that they couldnt act freely.
在地理上，为谋求发展，汉族的祖先将其发展到了极限，创造了复杂庞大社会的形态。各民族相互融合，逐渐成为世界上最大的单一民族，其向心力使得这个国家组织中的联系越发紧密。国家的压力降临到每一个人的头上，由于人民的心是无法被掌握的，因而国家这个怪物的触手便试图牢牢系住人心，并将人们相互绑定，如此一来人们就不能行动自如了。
Because of the strong integration capabilities,China is like a group of slaves in hypnosis,such as ants or robots,so its invincible .People at the bottom of chinese society,as a separate person,have no personality,ignorance,weak,but when they are mobilized ,they become strong and depressing.The whole community,is a pool of stagnat water,can not be stirred.In its history,vibrant nomadic nations impacted and conquer the central plains many times.Although their military strength was strong ,once entering the chinese cultural sphere,they were immediately assimilated like a object being teared on entering the border of a black hole.Beginning they became a nominanl victory,finally being eventually the slaves of this huge ideology.
由于强有力的整合能力,中国人就如同一群沉浸在睡眠中的奴隶，又或是一群机器人或蚂蚁。也因此，中国是无法被征服的。那些身处社会底层的人们，作为个体时，他们没有个性，无知，弱小，但当别人试图动员他们（进行反抗）的时候，他们又变得强韧而令人沮丧。中国的整个社会就如同一潭死水，无法人为的激起涟漪。在中国的历史上，游牧民族曾多次影响和征服中原地区。然而，尽管他们拥有强大的军事力量，一旦进入了中国文化圈，他们就会被立刻同化，好似被扯碎吸入了黑洞的物质一般。一开始他们能有个名义上的胜利，但到了最后他们终将沦为这个巨大意识形态的奴隶。
This painful process, in every process of childood to adulthood repeat again and again. The process of a child like ones of all parts of the world ,to a Chinese adult ,loss the curiosity and joy and independent personality, and add the accept of black and white reversed, bully the weak ,and acceptance of corrupt quality as the guide of life specification,to integrate into this black hole, becomea particles soup without shape.Or they would be crushed.
从稚童成长为成人，这种痛苦的过程重演了一遍又一遍。在中国的孩子的成长过程中，他们丧失掉了好奇心，也失去了欢乐和独立人格，同时接受了世间黑白颠倒的景象，接受了欺凌弱小的行径；他们甚至也渐渐接受了贪污腐败，并将其视作人生的风向标。因为如果不成为这个黑洞的一部分，他们就会被这个社会所排挤打压。
China, the mammoth monster, the human tumors, in the 19th century should have been dismembered and melted in Western civilization, but even as strong as the Western civilization controlling the whole world, defeating the Qing state hundreds of millions of people by thousands of soldiers, couldnt melt China's potential power into a piece of normal human tissues.
中国，这个庞然大物、人类的肿瘤，应该在19世纪就被西方文明所直接并消融，但即使强如西方文明——她控制着整个世界，曾以几千兵马就击败了清朝数以亿计的人民，也无法消融掉中国潜在的力量，将其变为一块正常的人体组织。
Again, china are controlled by a group , return to the form of the familiar black hole. Now, this black hole has been recovered, and began to spray to the civilized world by its long-tongued, to meet the desires of its absorption. The whole world cant concentrate to struggle to china.
再说一次，中国是由少部分人所控制的。现在我们回到黑洞这个老话题上来。现在中国这个黑洞缓过劲儿了，开始向文明世界吐出长舌（spray to the civilized world by its long-tongued）以满足它的贪欲。而世界却并无法团结一致反抗中国。
Western civilization is fine, but the individualism of each country makes they work each for himself.This infighting with each other, by the Chinese money inducements, they all yield.Even the United States, the standard-bearer of Western civilization has gradually abandoned.
西方文明是很好，但是国家的个人主义使他们各行其是。他们在中国的金钱诱饵下混战内讧，最后一一屈服于中国。就连美国——西方文明的支柱，也渐渐地被抛弃了。
Although the Islamic civilization is more despotic than europe, but the state did not develop into a black hole, still it has a bright future. But China want to ally with the Islamic , to absorb it first.If so ,the west has less ablitily to respond ,and would be absorbed shamefully.
尽管伊斯兰文明比欧洲更为专横,但其国家还未能发展成为黑洞,它还是有着光明的前景。但是中国想要和伊斯兰世界结为盟友，抢先一步将其吸纳。如果中国做成了这件事,西方世界就会少掉一股对抗中国的力量，并终将十分丢脸地被中国所吸收吞并。
I am deeply concerned about human civilization. If the next 50 years, the rise of China can not be stopped, the Earth will once again come to the Dark Ages. when the power of democracy and freedom could be reconstructed, even if they could be reconstructed,will be unknown.
我深深地关心着人类文明。在下一个50年里,倘若中国的崛起无法被遏制,地球将会再一次进入“黑暗时代”.届时民主和自由自然可以重建,但是即使他们能被重建,也将会默默无闻，不为人所知。
评论翻译:Jake10香港
Pretty harsh words, man. What exactly are you suggesting? That the culture needs to be killed?
China has her problems, but this sounds extreme.
相当刺耳的话啊，老兄。,你到底想建议什么呢?中国的文化需要被抹杀?
中国有确实有她自己的问题,但你的话听起来极端的。
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alitalent中国
come on. i support you saving the earth.
来吧！我支持你拯救地球。
Mandate of Heaven湾湾
So why are you in China? You have a fetish for black holes?
那你为什么还在中国?你对黑洞有什么特殊的癖好么?
Indy11美国
Uighur maybe?
也许（lz）是WWE族人？
（以下n楼呈无语状态，在此略去。）
Tennenbaum美国
（回lz第一句话）
Actually a black hole is a star death
其实黑洞是一种恒星死亡后的形态
scholar美国
More specifically a black hole is a remnant of a star or stars. Basically, a black hole is formed when a very, very large star has a supernova event which can result in a neutron star or a black hole. If the star is large enough it will form a black hole. This black hole is essentially fromed when the star collapses and it's gravity goes unceasing towards it's center. Basically Gravity Wins an otherwise tug-a-war that exists in every other star or star remnant. The gravity is so intense that light cannot escape the black hole meaning quite literally it appears black because all forms of visible light are sucked into it.
更确切地说黑洞是一颗或多颗恒星的残留。基本上,黑洞都脱胎于恒星，如果这颗恒星爆发成一颗非常,非常硕大的超新星,那么就可能会产生中子星或黑洞。如果恒星够大,它就会成为一个黑洞。黑洞本质上是在恒星崩塌时形成的,并且它的重力不断地向中心聚集。基本上,重力牵引存在于所有的恒星和恒星残骸中。由于重力极大，光线都无法逃脱。“黑”洞的名字还是挺形象的，因为所有形态的可见光都会被吞没入其中。
In regards to the article it displays nothing but total ignorance towards the subject matter it puts forward. Most of it is flagrantly skewed or incorrect. Even in Geography it is wrong.
作者显示出他在自己所举出事物上却一无所知。大多数例子都有让人难以忍受的偏差和错误。甚至在地理学上，它也是错误的。
Galladrim澳大利亚
So as I gather it you arguing that Chinese culture will swallow up or assimilate that of other cultures
我把你的观点归纳了一下，那就是：中国文化将要吞灭或是吸收其他文化。
Mandate of Heaven湾湾
Chinese eat Big Macs, drink Coke, and listen to Rock. Who's assimilating who?
中国人吃巨无霸,喝可乐,听摇滚乐。谁吸收了谁？
Lucius美国
aihumon is apparently less interested in discussion of his ideas than he is in just broadcasting them to the world.
比起好好讨论一下他的观点，lz显然更关心怎么把他的观点宣扬给全世界听。
I think his general idea is that as the world continues to "shrink," one-party dictatorship and command economy will replace liberal democracy and capitalism/socialism(I think that's his general idea - it's not easy to say. Maybe he's talking about outright military/naval conquest - like I say, it's hard to say).
My thought is that the opposite is closer to the truth. As the world continues to shrink, the Chinese people will look at, say, Switzerland, and decide, "THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TOO!"
我认为lz的大意是：随着这个世界的不断“缩水”，一党专制和计划经济将取代自由民主以及资本主义/社会主义（我觉得这就是lz的大意了，但这些可不是什么浅显易懂的议题）。或许他是在直接讨论军事/海军征服——就像我说的，这些也不太好说。
我认为与lz想法的观点可能更接近真相。随着世界的不断缩水，中国人将会看上一眼，然后说，瑞士，并且作出决定“这也是我们想要的！”
There will be some bumps on that road, just as there have ever been.
通往他们目标的路上会有一些崎岖和阻碍，而这在过去也是一样的。
aihumon中国
I don't want a self-absorbed, left, brutal force dominat China, while the people here are laughing at me, with patriotism the rascal signs ！
Below are posts in an international Chinese BBS to show you China domestic atmosphere
我可不想要在自私、左倾、残忍的国家力量统治下的中国，这里的人都嘲笑我，都戴着爱国主义的流氓标志！
以下是一个中国国际BBS上的帖子，它们会让你领略到中国的国内氛围：
http://www.tianya.cn/publicforum/art....shtml） (the bbs is called tianya bbs , 天涯社区，
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揭穿国际大骗局：西式民主不能使任何国家强大
Debunk the huge international scam: western-style democracy cannot make any country strong
民主是个好东西，但西式金权民主简直就不是东西
Democracy is a good thing, but western-style democracy is not what purpose
民主和华尔街一起沦陷——美国大势分析！
Democracy and Wall Street together subjugate - the United States clung analyze!
总统选举制是美国乃至世界割之不去的民主毒瘤
President electoral is the democratic cancer of America and the world
其实,民主才是真正的洗脑工具
Actually, democracy is the real brainwashed tools
世界上有几个国家的关键崛起时期是民主国家？
what nations' rise is because of democracy?
民主人权的某国又在阿富汗屠杀9名儿童！最大不超过12岁！作孽呀！
the us with Democracy slaughter nine children in Afghanistan ! Commit iniquity!
民主何以终将毁灭印度？(转载)
why democratic will destroy India?
中华崛起第一战拔掉关岛美军基地这颗钉子(转载)
The first war to rising---- unplug Guam U.S. military base
从人种看中国崛起的必然性
China will rise of excellent race quality
世界上主要大国的崛起时期的制度，兼论民主无法强国
the system of democracy can not power
中国崛起,让美欧围剿成了世纪笑话
China's rise, let us-european encirclement and suppression became century jokes
我国作为社会主义国家，可以集中力量办大事
China is a socialist country, can concentrate the power do great things
杨洁篪：美国必须停止对台军售
Yang: the United States must end the arms sales to Taiwan
如何摧毁美国（3）—美国的防御缺陷和对美国的军事冲击
How to destroy America (3) - U.S. defense defects and to U.S. military impact
愿历史还你一个公道——悼念斯洛博丹·米洛舍维奇
Let history also you with a sense of justice - mourning slobodan milosevic
杨洁篪否认警察殴记者不希望任何人无事生事(转载)
Yang jiechi deny police attack reporter ,didn't want anyone to tell stories
英律师不懂中文被炒，控华裔老板种族歧视
The lawyers don't understand Chinese and are fired out, accused of chinese-american boss racial discrimination
一个北美印第安人原住民对中国人说的话。
A north American indians indigenous 's talk to Chinese
人民币将在2020年成为世界第一大货币
RMB in 2020, become the biggest currency in the world
资本主义民主制真的比封建世袭制好吗？
Capitalist democracy is really weaker than feudal hereditary system。
中国其实没必要在黄海和美国拼杀，我们可以在墨西哥放把火
China hasn't actually necessary in yellow sea and fought against the United States , we can fire in Mexico
成吉思汗是中国历史人物，蒙与金宋战史也是中国内战史(脚踏教皇剑西方)
Genghis khan is Chinese historical figures, wars about jin and song are China civil wars
欧美是蛮夷文化，中国的文化是最好的
west culture is savage culture, the Chinese culture is the best
说说希腊文明---子虚乌有
"Greek civilization" - fictitiousing zero (Deceive lies）
（这个idNaomasa298译者还比较熟，似乎是日本人）英国
Mmm. Looks like the kind of virulent nationalism that you can find in a lot of threads on this board.
China, much like many nations who were on the wrong end of European expansionism, is suffering from an inferiority complex and is looking to make up for decades of perceived humiliating treatment, much like the Japanese did at the start of the 20th century - except 100 years later and with ten times the population.
嗯，从上述很多话语中，都能看到荼毒人心的民族主义。
中国，就像很多曾遭受欧洲殖民侵略的国家一样，有着浓浓的自卑情结，并且正试图一雪前耻。这很像日本在20世纪初所做的那样——只不过晚了100年，还有着10倍的人口。
And who can blame them? A case of "it's ok when we did it to you but not when you do it to us"?
而谁又能（为此而）责怪他们呢？如果这么做了，那就是“我们能对你们这么干，但你们要想对我们也这么干，那就不行了。”
Wastedgrunt36美国
回复楼上天涯上的贴“成吉思汗是中国历史人物，蒙与金宋战史也是中国内战史(脚踏教皇剑西方)”
This part gave me a laugh. But really, it's just a bbs as you say. As long as the leaders of china aren't saying this. If they are, what right do we have to stop them?
看到这个，俺笑了。但是像你说的，这只是一个BBS上的论调。只要中国的领导人没这么说（这就不能证明什么）。不过如果他们这么说了，我们又有什么权力才能阻止他们呢？
Rosi英国
I once heard someone say that Genghis Khan was a Buddhist, and I thought what a great advert for Buddhism he was.
我有一次听人说啊,成吉思汗是个佛教徒。我想，对佛教来说成吉思汗是个多么牛叉的广告啊。
Erm, sorry. What's "bbs"?
呃,对不起,什么是“bbs”?
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imperialmen印度
印度人看到了“民主何以终将毁灭印度？(转载)”
Explain it to me, what this means?
Ok, I translated it to: "Why India will eventually destroy democracy?"...... I don't understand why people will give up their freedom....
告诉我,这是什么意思?
好的,我把它翻译为:“为什么印度最终将会破坏民主?”……我不明白为什么人们会放弃他们的自由....
(“中华崛起第一战拔掉关岛美军基地这颗钉子(转载)”)
This is a worrying thing....
这真是让人担忧的论调啊....
（说说希腊文明---子虚乌有）
LOL! Its the world's end when Thess sees this!
哈哈~ ~ !要是帖撒罗尼迦人看到了这这些，那会是世界的末日！
“帖撒罗尼迦”(THESsALONICA)城，是马其顿省一个重要的城市。
Naomasa298英国
（回ls英国人）
. It's an ancient term from the pre-historic days when the internet was young and men courted women by bashing them over the head with a club. You'd use your dial-up connection to connect to a closed system where you could post messages. They didn't have graphics or anything.
Nowadays, the term is usually used to refer to forums, much like this one.
And that IS history.
"Bulletin board"
意为“布告栏区”（Bulletin board）。这个术语来自史前时代，在互联网刚刚发展并且男人们还在用棍棒打女人的时候一度被使用过。你用你的拨号上网链接到互联网上一个封闭的系统，在那里你可以张贴消息。在那上面你无法贴图，也不能使用其他许多功能。
如今,这个术语通常指论坛,就像lz所举的这个一样。
并且那是已经是历史了。
Mandate of Heaven台湾
Mongolia had been a part of China until fairly recently(I think in the late 40's of last century). Even today, there are way more Mongolians who were also Chinese(living in China) than those in the Outer Mongolia.
蒙古一直是中国的一部分，直到近代才发生了变化。（我认为是在上个世纪40年代）甚至到了今天，生活在中国的蒙古人也远远多于生活在外蒙古的人。
Moreover, Ghengis Khan did rule over the northern half of China. So, I can understand if he is seen as a Chinese historical figure. I am sure Persians consider Alexander to be a figure of Persian history.
此外，成吉思汗曾经统治过中国的北半部。所以，我可以理解那种说成吉思汗是中国人的观点。我相信，波斯人也会考虑把亚历山大看作是波斯历史上的一位人物。
Lord_of_Gauda加拿大
Mongolia only became part of China for a very brief period of time- the Qing dynasty period. Much like Tibet, China's claim to include mongolia into its historical and cultural domain is spurious.
蒙古仅仅在清代曾短暂地成为中国的一部分。这其实很像西藏，中国宣称蒙古是它不可分割的一部分，并且谎称自己对其在文化和历史上有着重大影响。
aihumon楼主，中国
while,i have found chinese "5mao"s---Communist propagandists to be hired by china government,with one post 0.5yuan ,have be full of famous web-sites all over the world.
They are propaganding all of the views i have Pasted above on every foreign web-sites ,not only in chinese web-sites.They slander Democracy and west civilization,declare that china is the unique civilization in the world,ridicule india ,the us, Australia,Japan,and South Korea.
china has generous military forums in which the Nationalists imagine attacking the US by atomic weapons,to govern the world by the unique civilized system-- tribute system
嘛，我发现了好多中国“五毛党”——中国政府雇人为GCD做宣传，一贴0.5元（原文one post 0.5yuan），这些人看来现在已经充斥了全球的知名网络。
我已将他们宣传的所有观点都贴在了外国网站上，不过没有贴在中国网站上。他们诽谤民主和西方文明，宣传中国是世界上独一无二的文明，嘲笑印度、美国、日本还有韩国。
而在中国豪情万丈的军事论坛里，国家主义者想象着用原子弹攻击美国，并将世界纳入他们奇特的统治体系——朝贡体系。
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Lucius美国
Wait a minute. Do you mean that you are mocking Chinese nationalism?
Look, there are nationalist people all over the world. They all think their tribe/nation/whatever is the most wonderful, etc, and no amount of statistics will sway them. Why should the Chinese be any different?
I welcome China's arrival on the world stage and I expect great things of them. Chinese people are smart.
Letting a hundred flowers blossom and a hundred schools of thought contend is the policy for promoting progress in the arts and the sciences and a flourishing socialist culture.
But this time, make it for real. That's how everybody else did it.
等一下。你的意思是你在嘲笑中国的民族主义吗?
看,全世界都有民族主义者嘛。他们都认为他们的部族/国家/什么是最棒的，摆出资料也无法让他们改变心意。为什么事情到了中国这儿就不同了?
我欢迎中国人民登上世界舞台，我对他们寄予厚望。中国人民很聪明。
为了促进艺术和科学进步及繁荣社会主义文化，（中国人）制定了百花齐放、百家争鸣正财
而这一次，它在现实生活中应验了。这正是别人所做的。
Mandate of Heaven台湾
Qing dynasty is not a brief period of time. It ran from 1644 to 1912, almost 3 centuries. Counting ROC and PRC, Tibet has been Chinese for almost 400 years today.
清朝的统治时间可不短。它从1644延续到1912年，统治了中国将进3个世纪呢。要是再算上中华民国和中华人民共和国，到今天西藏作为中国的一部分已经有近四百年的历史了。
USA's hold on its territories is much briefer. Does US have a sprious hold on California, which has only been in the Union for little more than 100 years?
美国人统治他们的领土的时间还更短呢。加利福尼亚加入美利坚合众国的联盟也不过百年，那么美国对加州的控制是否也值得诟病呢？
Current India's hold on the different subcontinent territories is even briefer. Can we say its claim to the different regions which used to be independent states and had distinct cultures/languages/histories spurious?
而印度统治它位于印度次大陆上的领土的时间甚至比美国还要短。难道我们能因为印度的不同地区有不同的文化、语言和历史，就否定印度对其的统治，并且宣称它们都是独立的国家么？
Lord_of_Gauda加拿大
it is a brief period of time in the context of the civilization we are talking about. In their recorded history, Tibet and Mongolia have spent the bulk of their time independent of Chinese influence than being subordinates or conquered.
在我们所探讨的有关文明的语境下，确实只是短期。在他们有记录的历史中，比起被中国征服、屈从于中国的统治，西藏和蒙古在尝试摆脱中国的影响上投入的时间更多。
Irrelevant- California's history is predominantly Mexican/American for the last several hundred years, before which, its history is completely indeterminate and unknown.
加州的历史无关——主要是墨西哥和美国的在过去的几百年的时间,在那之前,它的历史是完全不确定性和未知。
不要拿加州的例子作比，加州的历史主要也就是这几百年间墨西哥或是美国人控制的历史，在此之前，它的历史是完全一片混沌。
Virtually all the regions held by India has a strong Indian cultural and political influence and the concept of India is not a mono-ethnic/mono-linguistic/mono-cultural domination like China's is explicitly (Han supremacy).
几乎所有印度统治的地区都有浓厚鲜明的印度文化及政治影响力，而且印度这一概念和中国不同，并不像后者，是单民族、单语言、单文化统治下的大汉族主义。http://www.ltaaa.com/wtfy/2013.html
中国——地球的黑洞
China --- Earth's black hole
楼主aihumon中国
Black hole, is the form of the planet death ,with loss of vitality ,meaning of the death of things.And China, as the black hole in our planet ,is a form of community ,with ceaseless annexation , is like a cancer of the earth .it's threatening life on Earth and human society's future.
黑洞，一种行星毁灭后,死气沉沉的形态，意味着某种事物的死亡。而中国，就如我们星球上的黑洞一般，作为一种社会形态，它无休止的吞并着他人，可谓是“地球之癌”。对于地球还是人类社会的未来而言，这都是一种危险的存在。
Geographically, china is on the eastern end of the mainland , surrounded by the tallest mountain on the west and the south, and endless desert on the north, by the east is the vast Pacific,adn only in the northwest panhandle, could communicate with Eurasia.
从地理位置上说,中国位于欧亚大陆的东端，西部与南部被世界上最高的山所环绕，北部则有着无边无际的荒漠，而东部沿海则与广袤的太平洋西北部交接。（因而）只有西北部的狭长地带可以与欧亚其他国家进行交流。
Geographically obturated, the original ancestors of the Han nationality here got maximum space for their own development to a large social organizations.The same organizations fusion ultimately, became a largest country of single ethnic . With the effect of centripetal force, the country's organizations were increasingly dense, adn strong national pressure droped in each person, everyone's mind are unclenched, what the monster country's tentacles are tied to ,and people tied the ropes each other so that they couldnt act freely.
在地理上，为谋求发展，汉族的祖先将其发展到了极限，创造了复杂庞大社会的形态。各民族相互融合，逐渐成为世界上最大的单一民族，其向心力使得这个国家组织中的联系越发紧密。国家的压力降临到每一个人的头上，由于人民的心是无法被掌握的，因而国家这个怪物的触手便试图牢牢系住人心，并将人们相互绑定，如此一来人们就不能行动自如了。
Because of the strong integration capabilities,China is like a group of slaves in hypnosis,such as ants or robots,so its invincible .People at the bottom of chinese society,as a separate person,have no personality,ignorance,weak,but when they are mobilized ,they become strong and depressing.The whole community,is a pool of stagnat water,can not be stirred.In its history,vibrant nomadic nations impacted and conquer the central plains many times.Although their military strength was strong ,once entering the chinese cultural sphere,they were immediately assimilated like a object being teared on entering the border of a black hole.Beginning they became a nominanl victory,finally being eventually the slaves of this huge ideology.
由于强有力的整合能力,中国人就如同一群沉浸在睡眠中的奴隶，又或是一群机器人或蚂蚁。也因此，中国是无法被征服的。那些身处社会底层的人们，作为个体时，他们没有个性，无知，弱小，但当别人试图动员他们（进行反抗）的时候，他们又变得强韧而令人沮丧。中国的整个社会就如同一潭死水，无法人为的激起涟漪。在中国的历史上，游牧民族曾多次影响和征服中原地区。然而，尽管他们拥有强大的军事力量，一旦进入了中国文化圈，他们就会被立刻同化，好似被扯碎吸入了黑洞的物质一般。一开始他们能有个名义上的胜利，但到了最后他们终将沦为这个巨大意识形态的奴隶。
This painful process, in every process of childood to adulthood repeat again and again. The process of a child like ones of all parts of the world ,to a Chinese adult ,loss the curiosity and joy and independent personality, and add the accept of black and white reversed, bully the weak ,and acceptance of corrupt quality as the guide of life specification,to integrate into this black hole, becomea particles soup without shape.Or they would be crushed.
从稚童成长为成人，这种痛苦的过程重演了一遍又一遍。在中国的孩子的成长过程中，他们丧失掉了好奇心，也失去了欢乐和独立人格，同时接受了世间黑白颠倒的景象，接受了欺凌弱小的行径；他们甚至也渐渐接受了贪污腐败，并将其视作人生的风向标。因为如果不成为这个黑洞的一部分，他们就会被这个社会所排挤打压。
China, the mammoth monster, the human tumors, in the 19th century should have been dismembered and melted in Western civilization, but even as strong as the Western civilization controlling the whole world, defeating the Qing state hundreds of millions of people by thousands of soldiers, couldnt melt China's potential power into a piece of normal human tissues.
中国，这个庞然大物、人类的肿瘤，应该在19世纪就被西方文明所直接并消融，但即使强如西方文明——她控制着整个世界，曾以几千兵马就击败了清朝数以亿计的人民，也无法消融掉中国潜在的力量，将其变为一块正常的人体组织。
Again, china are controlled by a group , return to the form of the familiar black hole. Now, this black hole has been recovered, and began to spray to the civilized world by its long-tongued, to meet the desires of its absorption. The whole world cant concentrate to struggle to china.
再说一次，中国是由少部分人所控制的。现在我们回到黑洞这个老话题上来。现在中国这个黑洞缓过劲儿了，开始向文明世界吐出长舌（spray to the civilized world by its long-tongued）以满足它的贪欲。而世界却并无法团结一致反抗中国。
Western civilization is fine, but the individualism of each country makes they work each for himself.This infighting with each other, by the Chinese money inducements, they all yield.Even the United States, the standard-bearer of Western civilization has gradually abandoned.
西方文明是很好，但是国家的个人主义使他们各行其是。他们在中国的金钱诱饵下混战内讧，最后一一屈服于中国。就连美国——西方文明的支柱，也渐渐地被抛弃了。
Although the Islamic civilization is more despotic than europe, but the state did not develop into a black hole, still it has a bright future. But China want to ally with the Islamic , to absorb it first.If so ,the west has less ablitily to respond ,and would be absorbed shamefully.
尽管伊斯兰文明比欧洲更为专横,但其国家还未能发展成为黑洞,它还是有着光明的前景。但是中国想要和伊斯兰世界结为盟友，抢先一步将其吸纳。如果中国做成了这件事,西方世界就会少掉一股对抗中国的力量，并终将十分丢脸地被中国所吸收吞并。
I am deeply concerned about human civilization. If the next 50 years, the rise of China can not be stopped, the Earth will once again come to the Dark Ages. when the power of democracy and freedom could be reconstructed, even if they could be reconstructed,will be unknown.
我深深地关心着人类文明。在下一个50年里,倘若中国的崛起无法被遏制,地球将会再一次进入“黑暗时代”.届时民主和自由自然可以重建,但是即使他们能被重建,也将会默默无闻，不为人所知。
评论翻译:Jake10香港
Pretty harsh words, man. What exactly are you suggesting? That the culture needs to be killed?
China has her problems, but this sounds extreme.
相当刺耳的话啊，老兄。,你到底想建议什么呢?中国的文化需要被抹杀?
中国有确实有她自己的问题,但你的话听起来极端的。
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alitalent中国
come on. i support you saving the earth.
来吧！我支持你拯救地球。
Mandate of Heaven湾湾
So why are you in China? You have a fetish for black holes?
那你为什么还在中国?你对黑洞有什么特殊的癖好么?
Indy11美国
Uighur maybe?
也许（lz）是WWE族人？
（以下n楼呈无语状态，在此略去。）
Tennenbaum美国
（回lz第一句话）
Actually a black hole is a star death
其实黑洞是一种恒星死亡后的形态
scholar美国
More specifically a black hole is a remnant of a star or stars. Basically, a black hole is formed when a very, very large star has a supernova event which can result in a neutron star or a black hole. If the star is large enough it will form a black hole. This black hole is essentially fromed when the star collapses and it's gravity goes unceasing towards it's center. Basically Gravity Wins an otherwise tug-a-war that exists in every other star or star remnant. The gravity is so intense that light cannot escape the black hole meaning quite literally it appears black because all forms of visible light are sucked into it.
更确切地说黑洞是一颗或多颗恒星的残留。基本上,黑洞都脱胎于恒星，如果这颗恒星爆发成一颗非常,非常硕大的超新星,那么就可能会产生中子星或黑洞。如果恒星够大,它就会成为一个黑洞。黑洞本质上是在恒星崩塌时形成的,并且它的重力不断地向中心聚集。基本上,重力牵引存在于所有的恒星和恒星残骸中。由于重力极大，光线都无法逃脱。“黑”洞的名字还是挺形象的，因为所有形态的可见光都会被吞没入其中。
In regards to the article it displays nothing but total ignorance towards the subject matter it puts forward. Most of it is flagrantly skewed or incorrect. Even in Geography it is wrong.
作者显示出他在自己所举出事物上却一无所知。大多数例子都有让人难以忍受的偏差和错误。甚至在地理学上，它也是错误的。
Galladrim澳大利亚
So as I gather it you arguing that Chinese culture will swallow up or assimilate that of other cultures
我把你的观点归纳了一下，那就是：中国文化将要吞灭或是吸收其他文化。
Mandate of Heaven湾湾
Chinese eat Big Macs, drink Coke, and listen to Rock. Who's assimilating who?
中国人吃巨无霸,喝可乐,听摇滚乐。谁吸收了谁？
Lucius美国
aihumon is apparently less interested in discussion of his ideas than he is in just broadcasting them to the world.
比起好好讨论一下他的观点，lz显然更关心怎么把他的观点宣扬给全世界听。
I think his general idea is that as the world continues to "shrink," one-party dictatorship and command economy will replace liberal democracy and capitalism/socialism(I think that's his general idea - it's not easy to say. Maybe he's talking about outright military/naval conquest - like I say, it's hard to say).
My thought is that the opposite is closer to the truth. As the world continues to shrink, the Chinese people will look at, say, Switzerland, and decide, "THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TOO!"
我认为lz的大意是：随着这个世界的不断“缩水”，一党专制和计划经济将取代自由民主以及资本主义/社会主义（我觉得这就是lz的大意了，但这些可不是什么浅显易懂的议题）。或许他是在直接讨论军事/海军征服——就像我说的，这些也不太好说。
我认为与lz想法的观点可能更接近真相。随着世界的不断缩水，中国人将会看上一眼，然后说，瑞士，并且作出决定“这也是我们想要的！”
There will be some bumps on that road, just as there have ever been.
通往他们目标的路上会有一些崎岖和阻碍，而这在过去也是一样的。
aihumon中国
I don't want a self-absorbed, left, brutal force dominat China, while the people here are laughing at me, with patriotism the rascal signs ！
Below are posts in an international Chinese BBS to show you China domestic atmosphere
我可不想要在自私、左倾、残忍的国家力量统治下的中国，这里的人都嘲笑我，都戴着爱国主义的流氓标志！
以下是一个中国国际BBS上的帖子，它们会让你领略到中国的国内氛围：
http://www.tianya.cn/publicforum/art....shtml） (the bbs is called tianya bbs , 天涯社区，
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揭穿国际大骗局：西式民主不能使任何国家强大
Debunk the huge international scam: western-style democracy cannot make any country strong
民主是个好东西，但西式金权民主简直就不是东西
Democracy is a good thing, but western-style democracy is not what purpose
民主和华尔街一起沦陷——美国大势分析！
Democracy and Wall Street together subjugate - the United States clung analyze!
总统选举制是美国乃至世界割之不去的民主毒瘤
President electoral is the democratic cancer of America and the world
其实,民主才是真正的洗脑工具
Actually, democracy is the real brainwashed tools
世界上有几个国家的关键崛起时期是民主国家？
what nations' rise is because of democracy?
民主人权的某国又在阿富汗屠杀9名儿童！最大不超过12岁！作孽呀！
the us with Democracy slaughter nine children in Afghanistan ! Commit iniquity!
民主何以终将毁灭印度？(转载)
why democratic will destroy India?
中华崛起第一战拔掉关岛美军基地这颗钉子(转载)
The first war to rising---- unplug Guam U.S. military base
从人种看中国崛起的必然性
China will rise of excellent race quality
世界上主要大国的崛起时期的制度，兼论民主无法强国
the system of democracy can not power
中国崛起,让美欧围剿成了世纪笑话
China's rise, let us-european encirclement and suppression became century jokes
我国作为社会主义国家，可以集中力量办大事
China is a socialist country, can concentrate the power do great things
杨洁篪：美国必须停止对台军售
Yang: the United States must end the arms sales to Taiwan
如何摧毁美国（3）—美国的防御缺陷和对美国的军事冲击
How to destroy America (3) - U.S. defense defects and to U.S. military impact
愿历史还你一个公道——悼念斯洛博丹·米洛舍维奇
Let history also you with a sense of justice - mourning slobodan milosevic
杨洁篪否认警察殴记者不希望任何人无事生事(转载)
Yang jiechi deny police attack reporter ,didn't want anyone to tell stories
英律师不懂中文被炒，控华裔老板种族歧视
The lawyers don't understand Chinese and are fired out, accused of chinese-american boss racial discrimination
一个北美印第安人原住民对中国人说的话。
A north American indians indigenous 's talk to Chinese
人民币将在2020年成为世界第一大货币
RMB in 2020, become the biggest currency in the world
资本主义民主制真的比封建世袭制好吗？
Capitalist democracy is really weaker than feudal hereditary system。
中国其实没必要在黄海和美国拼杀，我们可以在墨西哥放把火
China hasn't actually necessary in yellow sea and fought against the United States , we can fire in Mexico
成吉思汗是中国历史人物，蒙与金宋战史也是中国内战史(脚踏教皇剑西方)
Genghis khan is Chinese historical figures, wars about jin and song are China civil wars
欧美是蛮夷文化，中国的文化是最好的
west culture is savage culture, the Chinese culture is the best
说说希腊文明---子虚乌有
"Greek civilization" - fictitiousing zero (Deceive lies）
（这个idNaomasa298译者还比较熟，似乎是日本人）英国
Mmm. Looks like the kind of virulent nationalism that you can find in a lot of threads on this board.
China, much like many nations who were on the wrong end of European expansionism, is suffering from an inferiority complex and is looking to make up for decades of perceived humiliating treatment, much like the Japanese did at the start of the 20th century - except 100 years later and with ten times the population.
嗯，从上述很多话语中，都能看到荼毒人心的民族主义。
中国，就像很多曾遭受欧洲殖民侵略的国家一样，有着浓浓的自卑情结，并且正试图一雪前耻。这很像日本在20世纪初所做的那样——只不过晚了100年，还有着10倍的人口。
And who can blame them? A case of "it's ok when we did it to you but not when you do it to us"?
而谁又能（为此而）责怪他们呢？如果这么做了，那就是“我们能对你们这么干，但你们要想对我们也这么干，那就不行了。”
Wastedgrunt36美国
回复楼上天涯上的贴“成吉思汗是中国历史人物，蒙与金宋战史也是中国内战史(脚踏教皇剑西方)”
This part gave me a laugh. But really, it's just a bbs as you say. As long as the leaders of china aren't saying this. If they are, what right do we have to stop them?
看到这个，俺笑了。但是像你说的，这只是一个BBS上的论调。只要中国的领导人没这么说（这就不能证明什么）。不过如果他们这么说了，我们又有什么权力才能阻止他们呢？
Rosi英国
I once heard someone say that Genghis Khan was a Buddhist, and I thought what a great advert for Buddhism he was.
我有一次听人说啊,成吉思汗是个佛教徒。我想，对佛教来说成吉思汗是个多么牛叉的广告啊。
Erm, sorry. What's "bbs"?
呃,对不起,什么是“bbs”?
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imperialmen印度
印度人看到了“民主何以终将毁灭印度？(转载)”
Explain it to me, what this means?
Ok, I translated it to: "Why India will eventually destroy democracy?"...... I don't understand why people will give up their freedom....
告诉我,这是什么意思?
好的,我把它翻译为:“为什么印度最终将会破坏民主?”……我不明白为什么人们会放弃他们的自由....
(“中华崛起第一战拔掉关岛美军基地这颗钉子(转载)”)
This is a worrying thing....
这真是让人担忧的论调啊....
（说说希腊文明---子虚乌有）
LOL! Its the world's end when Thess sees this!
哈哈~ ~ !要是帖撒罗尼迦人看到了这这些，那会是世界的末日！
“帖撒罗尼迦”(THESsALONICA)城，是马其顿省一个重要的城市。
Naomasa298英国
（回ls英国人）
. It's an ancient term from the pre-historic days when the internet was young and men courted women by bashing them over the head with a club. You'd use your dial-up connection to connect to a closed system where you could post messages. They didn't have graphics or anything.
Nowadays, the term is usually used to refer to forums, much like this one.
And that IS history.
"Bulletin board"
意为“布告栏区”（Bulletin board）。这个术语来自史前时代，在互联网刚刚发展并且男人们还在用棍棒打女人的时候一度被使用过。你用你的拨号上网链接到互联网上一个封闭的系统，在那里你可以张贴消息。在那上面你无法贴图，也不能使用其他许多功能。
如今,这个术语通常指论坛,就像lz所举的这个一样。
并且那是已经是历史了。
Mandate of Heaven台湾
Mongolia had been a part of China until fairly recently(I think in the late 40's of last century). Even today, there are way more Mongolians who were also Chinese(living in China) than those in the Outer Mongolia.
蒙古一直是中国的一部分，直到近代才发生了变化。（我认为是在上个世纪40年代）甚至到了今天，生活在中国的蒙古人也远远多于生活在外蒙古的人。
Moreover, Ghengis Khan did rule over the northern half of China. So, I can understand if he is seen as a Chinese historical figure. I am sure Persians consider Alexander to be a figure of Persian history.
此外，成吉思汗曾经统治过中国的北半部。所以，我可以理解那种说成吉思汗是中国人的观点。我相信，波斯人也会考虑把亚历山大看作是波斯历史上的一位人物。
Lord_of_Gauda加拿大
Mongolia only became part of China for a very brief period of time- the Qing dynasty period. Much like Tibet, China's claim to include mongolia into its historical and cultural domain is spurious.
蒙古仅仅在清代曾短暂地成为中国的一部分。这其实很像西藏，中国宣称蒙古是它不可分割的一部分，并且谎称自己对其在文化和历史上有着重大影响。
aihumon楼主，中国
while,i have found chinese "5mao"s---Communist propagandists to be hired by china government,with one post 0.5yuan ,have be full of famous web-sites all over the world.
They are propaganding all of the views i have Pasted above on every foreign web-sites ,not only in chinese web-sites.They slander Democracy and west civilization,declare that china is the unique civilization in the world,ridicule india ,the us, Australia,Japan,and South Korea.
china has generous military forums in which the Nationalists imagine attacking the US by atomic weapons,to govern the world by the unique civilized system-- tribute system
嘛，我发现了好多中国“五毛党”——中国政府雇人为GCD做宣传，一贴0.5元（原文one post 0.5yuan），这些人看来现在已经充斥了全球的知名网络。
我已将他们宣传的所有观点都贴在了外国网站上，不过没有贴在中国网站上。他们诽谤民主和西方文明，宣传中国是世界上独一无二的文明，嘲笑印度、美国、日本还有韩国。
而在中国豪情万丈的军事论坛里，国家主义者想象着用原子弹攻击美国，并将世界纳入他们奇特的统治体系——朝贡体系。
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Lucius美国
Wait a minute. Do you mean that you are mocking Chinese nationalism?
Look, there are nationalist people all over the world. They all think their tribe/nation/whatever is the most wonderful, etc, and no amount of statistics will sway them. Why should the Chinese be any different?
I welcome China's arrival on the world stage and I expect great things of them. Chinese people are smart.
Letting a hundred flowers blossom and a hundred schools of thought contend is the policy for promoting progress in the arts and the sciences and a flourishing socialist culture.
But this time, make it for real. That's how everybody else did it.
等一下。你的意思是你在嘲笑中国的民族主义吗?
看,全世界都有民族主义者嘛。他们都认为他们的部族/国家/什么是最棒的，摆出资料也无法让他们改变心意。为什么事情到了中国这儿就不同了?
我欢迎中国人民登上世界舞台，我对他们寄予厚望。中国人民很聪明。
为了促进艺术和科学进步及繁荣社会主义文化，（中国人）制定了百花齐放、百家争鸣正财
而这一次，它在现实生活中应验了。这正是别人所做的。
Mandate of Heaven台湾
Qing dynasty is not a brief period of time. It ran from 1644 to 1912, almost 3 centuries. Counting ROC and PRC, Tibet has been Chinese for almost 400 years today.
清朝的统治时间可不短。它从1644延续到1912年，统治了中国将进3个世纪呢。要是再算上中华民国和中华人民共和国，到今天西藏作为中国的一部分已经有近四百年的历史了。
USA's hold on its territories is much briefer. Does US have a sprious hold on California, which has only been in the Union for little more than 100 years?
美国人统治他们的领土的时间还更短呢。加利福尼亚加入美利坚合众国的联盟也不过百年，那么美国对加州的控制是否也值得诟病呢？
Current India's hold on the different subcontinent territories is even briefer. Can we say its claim to the different regions which used to be independent states and had distinct cultures/languages/histories spurious?
而印度统治它位于印度次大陆上的领土的时间甚至比美国还要短。难道我们能因为印度的不同地区有不同的文化、语言和历史，就否定印度对其的统治，并且宣称它们都是独立的国家么？
Lord_of_Gauda加拿大
it is a brief period of time in the context of the civilization we are talking about. In their recorded history, Tibet and Mongolia have spent the bulk of their time independent of Chinese influence than being subordinates or conquered.
在我们所探讨的有关文明的语境下，确实只是短期。在他们有记录的历史中，比起被中国征服、屈从于中国的统治，西藏和蒙古在尝试摆脱中国的影响上投入的时间更多。
Irrelevant- California's history is predominantly Mexican/American for the last several hundred years, before which, its history is completely indeterminate and unknown.
加州的历史无关——主要是墨西哥和美国的在过去的几百年的时间,在那之前,它的历史是完全不确定性和未知。
不要拿加州的例子作比，加州的历史主要也就是这几百年间墨西哥或是美国人控制的历史，在此之前，它的历史是完全一片混沌。
Virtually all the regions held by India has a strong Indian cultural and political influence and the concept of India is not a mono-ethnic/mono-linguistic/mono-cultural domination like China's is explicitly (Han supremacy).
几乎所有印度统治的地区都有浓厚鲜明的印度文化及政治影响力，而且印度这一概念和中国不同，并不像后者，是单民族、单语言、单文化统治下的大汉族主义。
中国——地球的黑洞
China --- Earth's black hole
楼主aihumon中国
Black hole, is the form of the planet death ,with loss of vitality ,meaning of the death of things.And China, as the black hole in our planet ,is a form of community ,with ceaseless annexation , is like a cancer of the earth .it's threatening life on Earth and human society's future.
黑洞，一种行星毁灭后,死气沉沉的形态，意味着某种事物的死亡。而中国，就如我们星球上的黑洞一般，作为一种社会形态，它无休止的吞并着他人，可谓是“地球之癌”。对于地球还是人类社会的未来而言，这都是一种危险的存在。
Geographically, china is on the eastern end of the mainland , surrounded by the tallest mountain on the west and the south, and endless desert on the north, by the east is the vast Pacific,adn only in the northwest panhandle, could communicate with Eurasia.
从地理位置上说,中国位于欧亚大陆的东端，西部与南部被世界上最高的山所环绕，北部则有着无边无际的荒漠，而东部沿海则与广袤的太平洋西北部交接。（因而）只有西北部的狭长地带可以与欧亚其他国家进行交流。
Geographically obturated, the original ancestors of the Han nationality here got maximum space for their own development to a large social organizations.The same organizations fusion ultimately, became a largest country of single ethnic . With the effect of centripetal force, the country's organizations were increasingly dense, adn strong national pressure droped in each person, everyone's mind are unclenched, what the monster country's tentacles are tied to ,and people tied the ropes each other so that they couldnt act freely.
在地理上，为谋求发展，汉族的祖先将其发展到了极限，创造了复杂庞大社会的形态。各民族相互融合，逐渐成为世界上最大的单一民族，其向心力使得这个国家组织中的联系越发紧密。国家的压力降临到每一个人的头上，由于人民的心是无法被掌握的，因而国家这个怪物的触手便试图牢牢系住人心，并将人们相互绑定，如此一来人们就不能行动自如了。
Because of the strong integration capabilities,China is like a group of slaves in hypnosis,such as ants or robots,so its invincible .People at the bottom of chinese society,as a separate person,have no personality,ignorance,weak,but when they are mobilized ,they become strong and depressing.The whole community,is a pool of stagnat water,can not be stirred.In its history,vibrant nomadic nations impacted and conquer the central plains many times.Although their military strength was strong ,once entering the chinese cultural sphere,they were immediately assimilated like a object being teared on entering the border of a black hole.Beginning they became a nominanl victory,finally being eventually the slaves of this huge ideology.
由于强有力的整合能力,中国人就如同一群沉浸在睡眠中的奴隶，又或是一群机器人或蚂蚁。也因此，中国是无法被征服的。那些身处社会底层的人们，作为个体时，他们没有个性，无知，弱小，但当别人试图动员他们（进行反抗）的时候，他们又变得强韧而令人沮丧。中国的整个社会就如同一潭死水，无法人为的激起涟漪。在中国的历史上，游牧民族曾多次影响和征服中原地区。然而，尽管他们拥有强大的军事力量，一旦进入了中国文化圈，他们就会被立刻同化，好似被扯碎吸入了黑洞的物质一般。一开始他们能有个名义上的胜利，但到了最后他们终将沦为这个巨大意识形态的奴隶。
This painful process, in every process of childood to adulthood repeat again and again. The process of a child like ones of all parts of the world ,to a Chinese adult ,loss the curiosity and joy and independent personality, and add the accept of black and white reversed, bully the weak ,and acceptance of corrupt quality as the guide of life specification,to integrate into this black hole, becomea particles soup without shape.Or they would be crushed.
从稚童成长为成人，这种痛苦的过程重演了一遍又一遍。在中国的孩子的成长过程中，他们丧失掉了好奇心，也失去了欢乐和独立人格，同时接受了世间黑白颠倒的景象，接受了欺凌弱小的行径；他们甚至也渐渐接受了贪污腐败，并将其视作人生的风向标。因为如果不成为这个黑洞的一部分，他们就会被这个社会所排挤打压。
China, the mammoth monster, the human tumors, in the 19th century should have been dismembered and melted in Western civilization, but even as strong as the Western civilization controlling the whole world, defeating the Qing state hundreds of millions of people by thousands of soldiers, couldnt melt China's potential power into a piece of normal human tissues.
中国，这个庞然大物、人类的肿瘤，应该在19世纪就被西方文明所直接并消融，但即使强如西方文明——她控制着整个世界，曾以几千兵马就击败了清朝数以亿计的人民，也无法消融掉中国潜在的力量，将其变为一块正常的人体组织。
Again, china are controlled by a group , return to the form of the familiar black hole. Now, this black hole has been recovered, and began to spray to the civilized world by its long-tongued, to meet the desires of its absorption. The whole world cant concentrate to struggle to china.
再说一次，中国是由少部分人所控制的。现在我们回到黑洞这个老话题上来。现在中国这个黑洞缓过劲儿了，开始向文明世界吐出长舌（spray to the civilized world by its long-tongued）以满足它的贪欲。而世界却并无法团结一致反抗中国。
Western civilization is fine, but the individualism of each country makes they work each for himself.This infighting with each other, by the Chinese money inducements, they all yield.Even the United States, the standard-bearer of Western civilization has gradually abandoned.
西方文明是很好，但是国家的个人主义使他们各行其是。他们在中国的金钱诱饵下混战内讧，最后一一屈服于中国。就连美国——西方文明的支柱，也渐渐地被抛弃了。
Although the Islamic civilization is more despotic than europe, but the state did not develop into a black hole, still it has a bright future. But China want to ally with the Islamic , to absorb it first.If so ,the west has less ablitily to respond ,and would be absorbed shamefully.
尽管伊斯兰文明比欧洲更为专横,但其国家还未能发展成为黑洞,它还是有着光明的前景。但是中国想要和伊斯兰世界结为盟友，抢先一步将其吸纳。如果中国做成了这件事,西方世界就会少掉一股对抗中国的力量，并终将十分丢脸地被中国所吸收吞并。
I am deeply concerned about human civilization. If the next 50 years, the rise of China can not be stopped, the Earth will once again come to the Dark Ages. when the power of democracy and freedom could be reconstructed, even if they could be reconstructed,will be unknown.
我深深地关心着人类文明。在下一个50年里,倘若中国的崛起无法被遏制,地球将会再一次进入“黑暗时代”.届时民主和自由自然可以重建,但是即使他们能被重建,也将会默默无闻，不为人所知。
评论翻译:Jake10香港
Pretty harsh words, man. What exactly are you suggesting? That the culture needs to be killed?
China has her problems, but this sounds extreme.
相当刺耳的话啊，老兄。,你到底想建议什么呢?中国的文化需要被抹杀?
中国有确实有她自己的问题,但你的话听起来极端的。
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alitalent中国
come on. i support you saving the earth.
来吧！我支持你拯救地球。
Mandate of Heaven湾湾
So why are you in China? You have a fetish for black holes?
那你为什么还在中国?你对黑洞有什么特殊的癖好么?
Indy11美国
Uighur maybe?
也许（lz）是WWE族人？
（以下n楼呈无语状态，在此略去。）
Tennenbaum美国
（回lz第一句话）
Actually a black hole is a star death
其实黑洞是一种恒星死亡后的形态
scholar美国
More specifically a black hole is a remnant of a star or stars. Basically, a black hole is formed when a very, very large star has a supernova event which can result in a neutron star or a black hole. If the star is large enough it will form a black hole. This black hole is essentially fromed when the star collapses and it's gravity goes unceasing towards it's center. Basically Gravity Wins an otherwise tug-a-war that exists in every other star or star remnant. The gravity is so intense that light cannot escape the black hole meaning quite literally it appears black because all forms of visible light are sucked into it.
更确切地说黑洞是一颗或多颗恒星的残留。基本上,黑洞都脱胎于恒星，如果这颗恒星爆发成一颗非常,非常硕大的超新星,那么就可能会产生中子星或黑洞。如果恒星够大,它就会成为一个黑洞。黑洞本质上是在恒星崩塌时形成的,并且它的重力不断地向中心聚集。基本上,重力牵引存在于所有的恒星和恒星残骸中。由于重力极大，光线都无法逃脱。“黑”洞的名字还是挺形象的，因为所有形态的可见光都会被吞没入其中。
In regards to the article it displays nothing but total ignorance towards the subject matter it puts forward. Most of it is flagrantly skewed or incorrect. Even in Geography it is wrong.
作者显示出他在自己所举出事物上却一无所知。大多数例子都有让人难以忍受的偏差和错误。甚至在地理学上，它也是错误的。
Galladrim澳大利亚
So as I gather it you arguing that Chinese culture will swallow up or assimilate that of other cultures
我把你的观点归纳了一下，那就是：中国文化将要吞灭或是吸收其他文化。
Mandate of Heaven湾湾
Chinese eat Big Macs, drink Coke, and listen to Rock. Who's assimilating who?
中国人吃巨无霸,喝可乐,听摇滚乐。谁吸收了谁？
Lucius美国
aihumon is apparently less interested in discussion of his ideas than he is in just broadcasting them to the world.
比起好好讨论一下他的观点，lz显然更关心怎么把他的观点宣扬给全世界听。
I think his general idea is that as the world continues to "shrink," one-party dictatorship and command economy will replace liberal democracy and capitalism/socialism(I think that's his general idea - it's not easy to say. Maybe he's talking about outright military/naval conquest - like I say, it's hard to say).
My thought is that the opposite is closer to the truth. As the world continues to shrink, the Chinese people will look at, say, Switzerland, and decide, "THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TOO!"
我认为lz的大意是：随着这个世界的不断“缩水”，一党专制和计划经济将取代自由民主以及资本主义/社会主义（我觉得这就是lz的大意了，但这些可不是什么浅显易懂的议题）。或许他是在直接讨论军事/海军征服——就像我说的，这些也不太好说。
我认为与lz想法的观点可能更接近真相。随着世界的不断缩水，中国人将会看上一眼，然后说，瑞士，并且作出决定“这也是我们想要的！”
There will be some bumps on that road, just as there have ever been.
通往他们目标的路上会有一些崎岖和阻碍，而这在过去也是一样的。
aihumon中国
I don't want a self-absorbed, left, brutal force dominat China, while the people here are laughing at me, with patriotism the rascal signs ！
Below are posts in an international Chinese BBS to show you China domestic atmosphere
我可不想要在自私、左倾、残忍的国家力量统治下的中国，这里的人都嘲笑我，都戴着爱国主义的流氓标志！
以下是一个中国国际BBS上的帖子，它们会让你领略到中国的国内氛围：
http://www.tianya.cn/publicforum/art....shtml） (the bbs is called tianya bbs , 天涯社区，
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揭穿国际大骗局：西式民主不能使任何国家强大
Debunk the huge international scam: western-style democracy cannot make any country strong
民主是个好东西，但西式金权民主简直就不是东西
Democracy is a good thing, but western-style democracy is not what purpose
民主和华尔街一起沦陷——美国大势分析！
Democracy and Wall Street together subjugate - the United States clung analyze!
总统选举制是美国乃至世界割之不去的民主毒瘤
President electoral is the democratic cancer of America and the world
其实,民主才是真正的洗脑工具
Actually, democracy is the real brainwashed tools
世界上有几个国家的关键崛起时期是民主国家？
what nations' rise is because of democracy?
民主人权的某国又在阿富汗屠杀9名儿童！最大不超过12岁！作孽呀！
the us with Democracy slaughter nine children in Afghanistan ! Commit iniquity!
民主何以终将毁灭印度？(转载)
why democratic will destroy India?
中华崛起第一战拔掉关岛美军基地这颗钉子(转载)
The first war to rising---- unplug Guam U.S. military base
从人种看中国崛起的必然性
China will rise of excellent race quality
世界上主要大国的崛起时期的制度，兼论民主无法强国
the system of democracy can not power
中国崛起,让美欧围剿成了世纪笑话
China's rise, let us-european encirclement and suppression became century jokes
我国作为社会主义国家，可以集中力量办大事
China is a socialist country, can concentrate the power do great things
杨洁篪：美国必须停止对台军售
Yang: the United States must end the arms sales to Taiwan
如何摧毁美国（3）—美国的防御缺陷和对美国的军事冲击
How to destroy America (3) - U.S. defense defects and to U.S. military impact
愿历史还你一个公道——悼念斯洛博丹·米洛舍维奇
Let history also you with a sense of justice - mourning slobodan milosevic
杨洁篪否认警察殴记者不希望任何人无事生事(转载)
Yang jiechi deny police attack reporter ,didn't want anyone to tell stories
英律师不懂中文被炒，控华裔老板种族歧视
The lawyers don't understand Chinese and are fired out, accused of chinese-american boss racial discrimination
一个北美印第安人原住民对中国人说的话。
A north American indians indigenous 's talk to Chinese
人民币将在2020年成为世界第一大货币
RMB in 2020, become the biggest currency in the world
资本主义民主制真的比封建世袭制好吗？
Capitalist democracy is really weaker than feudal hereditary system。
中国其实没必要在黄海和美国拼杀，我们可以在墨西哥放把火
China hasn't actually necessary in yellow sea and fought against the United States , we can fire in Mexico
成吉思汗是中国历史人物，蒙与金宋战史也是中国内战史(脚踏教皇剑西方)
Genghis khan is Chinese historical figures, wars about jin and song are China civil wars
欧美是蛮夷文化，中国的文化是最好的
west culture is savage culture, the Chinese culture is the best
说说希腊文明---子虚乌有
"Greek civilization" - fictitiousing zero (Deceive lies）
（这个idNaomasa298译者还比较熟，似乎是日本人）英国
Mmm. Looks like the kind of virulent nationalism that you can find in a lot of threads on this board.
China, much like many nations who were on the wrong end of European expansionism, is suffering from an inferiority complex and is looking to make up for decades of perceived humiliating treatment, much like the Japanese did at the start of the 20th century - except 100 years later and with ten times the population.
嗯，从上述很多话语中，都能看到荼毒人心的民族主义。
中国，就像很多曾遭受欧洲殖民侵略的国家一样，有着浓浓的自卑情结，并且正试图一雪前耻。这很像日本在20世纪初所做的那样——只不过晚了100年，还有着10倍的人口。
And who can blame them? A case of "it's ok when we did it to you but not when you do it to us"?
而谁又能（为此而）责怪他们呢？如果这么做了，那就是“我们能对你们这么干，但你们要想对我们也这么干，那就不行了。”
Wastedgrunt36美国
回复楼上天涯上的贴“成吉思汗是中国历史人物，蒙与金宋战史也是中国内战史(脚踏教皇剑西方)”
This part gave me a laugh. But really, it's just a bbs as you say. As long as the leaders of china aren't saying this. If they are, what right do we have to stop them?
看到这个，俺笑了。但是像你说的，这只是一个BBS上的论调。只要中国的领导人没这么说（这就不能证明什么）。不过如果他们这么说了，我们又有什么权力才能阻止他们呢？
Rosi英国
I once heard someone say that Genghis Khan was a Buddhist, and I thought what a great advert for Buddhism he was.
我有一次听人说啊,成吉思汗是个佛教徒。我想，对佛教来说成吉思汗是个多么牛叉的广告啊。
Erm, sorry. What's "bbs"?
呃,对不起,什么是“bbs”?
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imperialmen印度
印度人看到了“民主何以终将毁灭印度？(转载)”
Explain it to me, what this means?
Ok, I translated it to: "Why India will eventually destroy democracy?"...... I don't understand why people will give up their freedom....
告诉我,这是什么意思?
好的,我把它翻译为:“为什么印度最终将会破坏民主?”……我不明白为什么人们会放弃他们的自由....
(“中华崛起第一战拔掉关岛美军基地这颗钉子(转载)”)
This is a worrying thing....
这真是让人担忧的论调啊....
（说说希腊文明---子虚乌有）
LOL! Its the world's end when Thess sees this!
哈哈~ ~ !要是帖撒罗尼迦人看到了这这些，那会是世界的末日！
“帖撒罗尼迦”(THESsALONICA)城，是马其顿省一个重要的城市。
Naomasa298英国
（回ls英国人）
. It's an ancient term from the pre-historic days when the internet was young and men courted women by bashing them over the head with a club. You'd use your dial-up connection to connect to a closed system where you could post messages. They didn't have graphics or anything.
Nowadays, the term is usually used to refer to forums, much like this one.
And that IS history.
"Bulletin board"
意为“布告栏区”（Bulletin board）。这个术语来自史前时代，在互联网刚刚发展并且男人们还在用棍棒打女人的时候一度被使用过。你用你的拨号上网链接到互联网上一个封闭的系统，在那里你可以张贴消息。在那上面你无法贴图，也不能使用其他许多功能。
如今,这个术语通常指论坛,就像lz所举的这个一样。
并且那是已经是历史了。
Mandate of Heaven台湾
Mongolia had been a part of China until fairly recently(I think in the late 40's of last century). Even today, there are way more Mongolians who were also Chinese(living in China) than those in the Outer Mongolia.
蒙古一直是中国的一部分，直到近代才发生了变化。（我认为是在上个世纪40年代）甚至到了今天，生活在中国的蒙古人也远远多于生活在外蒙古的人。
Moreover, Ghengis Khan did rule over the northern half of China. So, I can understand if he is seen as a Chinese historical figure. I am sure Persians consider Alexander to be a figure of Persian history.
此外，成吉思汗曾经统治过中国的北半部。所以，我可以理解那种说成吉思汗是中国人的观点。我相信，波斯人也会考虑把亚历山大看作是波斯历史上的一位人物。
Lord_of_Gauda加拿大
Mongolia only became part of China for a very brief period of time- the Qing dynasty period. Much like Tibet, China's claim to include mongolia into its historical and cultural domain is spurious.
蒙古仅仅在清代曾短暂地成为中国的一部分。这其实很像西藏，中国宣称蒙古是它不可分割的一部分，并且谎称自己对其在文化和历史上有着重大影响。
aihumon楼主，中国
while,i have found chinese "5mao"s---Communist propagandists to be hired by china government,with one post 0.5yuan ,have be full of famous web-sites all over the world.
They are propaganding all of the views i have Pasted above on every foreign web-sites ,not only in chinese web-sites.They slander Democracy and west civilization,declare that china is the unique civilization in the world,ridicule india ,the us, Australia,Japan,and South Korea.
china has generous military forums in which the Nationalists imagine attacking the US by atomic weapons,to govern the world by the unique civilized system-- tribute system
嘛，我发现了好多中国“五毛党”——中国政府雇人为GCD做宣传，一贴0.5元（原文one post 0.5yuan），这些人看来现在已经充斥了全球的知名网络。
我已将他们宣传的所有观点都贴在了外国网站上，不过没有贴在中国网站上。他们诽谤民主和西方文明，宣传中国是世界上独一无二的文明，嘲笑印度、美国、日本还有韩国。
而在中国豪情万丈的军事论坛里，国家主义者想象着用原子弹攻击美国，并将世界纳入他们奇特的统治体系——朝贡体系。
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Lucius美国
Wait a minute. Do you mean that you are mocking Chinese nationalism?
Look, there are nationalist people all over the world. They all think their tribe/nation/whatever is the most wonderful, etc, and no amount of statistics will sway them. Why should the Chinese be any different?
I welcome China's arrival on the world stage and I expect great things of them. Chinese people are smart.
Letting a hundred flowers blossom and a hundred schools of thought contend is the policy for promoting progress in the arts and the sciences and a flourishing socialist culture.
But this time, make it for real. That's how everybody else did it.
等一下。你的意思是你在嘲笑中国的民族主义吗?
看,全世界都有民族主义者嘛。他们都认为他们的部族/国家/什么是最棒的，摆出资料也无法让他们改变心意。为什么事情到了中国这儿就不同了?
我欢迎中国人民登上世界舞台，我对他们寄予厚望。中国人民很聪明。
为了促进艺术和科学进步及繁荣社会主义文化，（中国人）制定了百花齐放、百家争鸣正财
而这一次，它在现实生活中应验了。这正是别人所做的。
Mandate of Heaven台湾
Qing dynasty is not a brief period of time. It ran from 1644 to 1912, almost 3 centuries. Counting ROC and PRC, Tibet has been Chinese for almost 400 years today.
清朝的统治时间可不短。它从1644延续到1912年，统治了中国将进3个世纪呢。要是再算上中华民国和中华人民共和国，到今天西藏作为中国的一部分已经有近四百年的历史了。
USA's hold on its territories is much briefer. Does US have a sprious hold on California, which has only been in the Union for little more than 100 years?
美国人统治他们的领土的时间还更短呢。加利福尼亚加入美利坚合众国的联盟也不过百年，那么美国对加州的控制是否也值得诟病呢？
Current India's hold on the different subcontinent territories is even briefer. Can we say its claim to the different regions which used to be independent states and had distinct cultures/languages/histories spurious?
而印度统治它位于印度次大陆上的领土的时间甚至比美国还要短。难道我们能因为印度的不同地区有不同的文化、语言和历史，就否定印度对其的统治，并且宣称它们都是独立的国家么？
Lord_of_Gauda加拿大
it is a brief period of time in the context of the civilization we are talking about. In their recorded history, Tibet and Mongolia have spent the bulk of their time independent of Chinese influence than being subordinates or conquered.
在我们所探讨的有关文明的语境下，确实只是短期。在他们有记录的历史中，比起被中国征服、屈从于中国的统治，西藏和蒙古在尝试摆脱中国的影响上投入的时间更多。
Irrelevant- California's history is predominantly Mexican/American for the last several hundred years, before which, its history is completely indeterminate and unknown.
加州的历史无关——主要是墨西哥和美国的在过去的几百年的时间,在那之前,它的历史是完全不确定性和未知。
不要拿加州的例子作比，加州的历史主要也就是这几百年间墨西哥或是美国人控制的历史，在此之前，它的历史是完全一片混沌。
Virtually all the regions held by India has a strong Indian cultural and political influence and the concept of India is not a mono-ethnic/mono-linguistic/mono-cultural domination like China's is explicitly (Han supremacy).
几乎所有印度统治的地区都有浓厚鲜明的印度文化及政治影响力，而且印度这一概念和中国不同，并不像后者，是单民族、单语言、单文化统治下的大汉族主义。http://www.ltaaa.com/wtfy/2013.html
中国——地球的黑洞
China --- Earth's black hole
楼主aihumon中国
Black hole, is the form of the planet death ,with loss of vitality ,meaning of the death of things.And China, as the black hole in our planet ,is a form of community ,with ceaseless annexation , is like a cancer of the earth .it's threatening life on Earth and human society's future.
黑洞，一种行星毁灭后,死气沉沉的形态，意味着某种事物的死亡。而中国，就如我们星球上的黑洞一般，作为一种社会形态，它无休止的吞并着他人，可谓是“地球之癌”。对于地球还是人类社会的未来而言，这都是一种危险的存在。
Geographically, china is on the eastern end of the mainland , surrounded by the tallest mountain on the west and the south, and endless desert on the north, by the east is the vast Pacific,adn only in the northwest panhandle, could communicate with Eurasia.
从地理位置上说,中国位于欧亚大陆的东端，西部与南部被世界上最高的山所环绕，北部则有着无边无际的荒漠，而东部沿海则与广袤的太平洋西北部交接。（因而）只有西北部的狭长地带可以与欧亚其他国家进行交流。
Geographically obturated, the original ancestors of the Han nationality here got maximum space for their own development to a large social organizations.The same organizations fusion ultimately, became a largest country of single ethnic . With the effect of centripetal force, the country's organizations were increasingly dense, adn strong national pressure droped in each person, everyone's mind are unclenched, what the monster country's tentacles are tied to ,and people tied the ropes each other so that they couldnt act freely.
在地理上，为谋求发展，汉族的祖先将其发展到了极限，创造了复杂庞大社会的形态。各民族相互融合，逐渐成为世界上最大的单一民族，其向心力使得这个国家组织中的联系越发紧密。国家的压力降临到每一个人的头上，由于人民的心是无法被掌握的，因而国家这个怪物的触手便试图牢牢系住人心，并将人们相互绑定，如此一来人们就不能行动自如了。
Because of the strong integration capabilities,China is like a group of slaves in hypnosis,such as ants or robots,so its invincible .People at the bottom of chinese society,as a separate person,have no personality,ignorance,weak,but when they are mobilized ,they become strong and depressing.The whole community,is a pool of stagnat water,can not be stirred.In its history,vibrant nomadic nations impacted and conquer the central plains many times.Although their military strength was strong ,once entering the chinese cultural sphere,they were immediately assimilated like a object being teared on entering the border of a black hole.Beginning they became a nominanl victory,finally being eventually the slaves of this huge ideology.
由于强有力的整合能力,中国人就如同一群沉浸在睡眠中的奴隶，又或是一群机器人或蚂蚁。也因此，中国是无法被征服的。那些身处社会底层的人们，作为个体时，他们没有个性，无知，弱小，但当别人试图动员他们（进行反抗）的时候，他们又变得强韧而令人沮丧。中国的整个社会就如同一潭死水，无法人为的激起涟漪。在中国的历史上，游牧民族曾多次影响和征服中原地区。然而，尽管他们拥有强大的军事力量，一旦进入了中国文化圈，他们就会被立刻同化，好似被扯碎吸入了黑洞的物质一般。一开始他们能有个名义上的胜利，但到了最后他们终将沦为这个巨大意识形态的奴隶。
This painful process, in every process of childood to adulthood repeat again and again. The process of a child like ones of all parts of the world ,to a Chinese adult ,loss the curiosity and joy and independent personality, and add the accept of black and white reversed, bully the weak ,and acceptance of corrupt quality as the guide of life specification,to integrate into this black hole, becomea particles soup without shape.Or they would be crushed.
从稚童成长为成人，这种痛苦的过程重演了一遍又一遍。在中国的孩子的成长过程中，他们丧失掉了好奇心，也失去了欢乐和独立人格，同时接受了世间黑白颠倒的景象，接受了欺凌弱小的行径；他们甚至也渐渐接受了贪污腐败，并将其视作人生的风向标。因为如果不成为这个黑洞的一部分，他们就会被这个社会所排挤打压。
China, the mammoth monster, the human tumors, in the 19th century should have been dismembered and melted in Western civilization, but even as strong as the Western civilization controlling the whole world, defeating the Qing state hundreds of millions of people by thousands of soldiers, couldnt melt China's potential power into a piece of normal human tissues.
中国，这个庞然大物、人类的肿瘤，应该在19世纪就被西方文明所直接并消融，但即使强如西方文明——她控制着整个世界，曾以几千兵马就击败了清朝数以亿计的人民，也无法消融掉中国潜在的力量，将其变为一块正常的人体组织。
Again, china are controlled by a group , return to the form of the familiar black hole. Now, this black hole has been recovered, and began to spray to the civilized world by its long-tongued, to meet the desires of its absorption. The whole world cant concentrate to struggle to china.
再说一次，中国是由少部分人所控制的。现在我们回到黑洞这个老话题上来。现在中国这个黑洞缓过劲儿了，开始向文明世界吐出长舌（spray to the civilized world by its long-tongued）以满足它的贪欲。而世界却并无法团结一致反抗中国。
Western civilization is fine, but the individualism of each country makes they work each for himself.This infighting with each other, by the Chinese money inducements, they all yield.Even the United States, the standard-bearer of Western civilization has gradually abandoned.
西方文明是很好，但是国家的个人主义使他们各行其是。他们在中国的金钱诱饵下混战内讧，最后一一屈服于中国。就连美国——西方文明的支柱，也渐渐地被抛弃了。
Although the Islamic civilization is more despotic than europe, but the state did not develop into a black hole, still it has a bright future. But China want to ally with the Islamic , to absorb it first.If so ,the west has less ablitily to respond ,and would be absorbed shamefully.
尽管伊斯兰文明比欧洲更为专横,但其国家还未能发展成为黑洞,它还是有着光明的前景。但是中国想要和伊斯兰世界结为盟友，抢先一步将其吸纳。如果中国做成了这件事,西方世界就会少掉一股对抗中国的力量，并终将十分丢脸地被中国所吸收吞并。
I am deeply concerned about human civilization. If the next 50 years, the rise of China can not be stopped, the Earth will once again come to the Dark Ages. when the power of democracy and freedom could be reconstructed, even if they could be reconstructed,will be unknown.
我深深地关心着人类文明。在下一个50年里,倘若中国的崛起无法被遏制,地球将会再一次进入“黑暗时代”.届时民主和自由自然可以重建,但是即使他们能被重建,也将会默默无闻，不为人所知。
评论翻译:Jake10香港
Pretty harsh words, man. What exactly are you suggesting? That the culture needs to be killed?
China has her problems, but this sounds extreme.
相当刺耳的话啊，老兄。,你到底想建议什么呢?中国的文化需要被抹杀?
中国有确实有她自己的问题,但你的话听起来极端的。
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alitalent中国
come on. i support you saving the earth.
来吧！我支持你拯救地球。
Mandate of Heaven湾湾
So why are you in China? You have a fetish for black holes?
那你为什么还在中国?你对黑洞有什么特殊的癖好么?
Indy11美国
Uighur maybe?
也许（lz）是WWE族人？
（以下n楼呈无语状态，在此略去。）
Tennenbaum美国
（回lz第一句话）
Actually a black hole is a star death
其实黑洞是一种恒星死亡后的形态
scholar美国
More specifically a black hole is a remnant of a star or stars. Basically, a black hole is formed when a very, very large star has a supernova event which can result in a neutron star or a black hole. If the star is large enough it will form a black hole. This black hole is essentially fromed when the star collapses and it's gravity goes unceasing towards it's center. Basically Gravity Wins an otherwise tug-a-war that exists in every other star or star remnant. The gravity is so intense that light cannot escape the black hole meaning quite literally it appears black because all forms of visible light are sucked into it.
更确切地说黑洞是一颗或多颗恒星的残留。基本上,黑洞都脱胎于恒星，如果这颗恒星爆发成一颗非常,非常硕大的超新星,那么就可能会产生中子星或黑洞。如果恒星够大,它就会成为一个黑洞。黑洞本质上是在恒星崩塌时形成的,并且它的重力不断地向中心聚集。基本上,重力牵引存在于所有的恒星和恒星残骸中。由于重力极大，光线都无法逃脱。“黑”洞的名字还是挺形象的，因为所有形态的可见光都会被吞没入其中。
In regards to the article it displays nothing but total ignorance towards the subject matter it puts forward. Most of it is flagrantly skewed or incorrect. Even in Geography it is wrong.
作者显示出他在自己所举出事物上却一无所知。大多数例子都有让人难以忍受的偏差和错误。甚至在地理学上，它也是错误的。
Galladrim澳大利亚
So as I gather it you arguing that Chinese culture will swallow up or assimilate that of other cultures
我把你的观点归纳了一下，那就是：中国文化将要吞灭或是吸收其他文化。
Mandate of Heaven湾湾
Chinese eat Big Macs, drink Coke, and listen to Rock. Who's assimilating who?
中国人吃巨无霸,喝可乐,听摇滚乐。谁吸收了谁？
Lucius美国
aihumon is apparently less interested in discussion of his ideas than he is in just broadcasting them to the world.
比起好好讨论一下他的观点，lz显然更关心怎么把他的观点宣扬给全世界听。
I think his general idea is that as the world continues to "shrink," one-party dictatorship and command economy will replace liberal democracy and capitalism/socialism(I think that's his general idea - it's not easy to say. Maybe he's talking about outright military/naval conquest - like I say, it's hard to say).
My thought is that the opposite is closer to the truth. As the world continues to shrink, the Chinese people will look at, say, Switzerland, and decide, "THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TOO!"
我认为lz的大意是：随着这个世界的不断“缩水”，一党专制和计划经济将取代自由民主以及资本主义/社会主义（我觉得这就是lz的大意了，但这些可不是什么浅显易懂的议题）。或许他是在直接讨论军事/海军征服——就像我说的，这些也不太好说。
我认为与lz想法的观点可能更接近真相。随着世界的不断缩水，中国人将会看上一眼，然后说，瑞士，并且作出决定“这也是我们想要的！”
There will be some bumps on that road, just as there have ever been.
通往他们目标的路上会有一些崎岖和阻碍，而这在过去也是一样的。
aihumon中国
I don't want a self-absorbed, left, brutal force dominat China, while the people here are laughing at me, with patriotism the rascal signs ！
Below are posts in an international Chinese BBS to show you China domestic atmosphere
我可不想要在自私、左倾、残忍的国家力量统治下的中国，这里的人都嘲笑我，都戴着爱国主义的流氓标志！
以下是一个中国国际BBS上的帖子，它们会让你领略到中国的国内氛围：
http://www.tianya.cn/publicforum/art....shtml） (the bbs is called tianya bbs , 天涯社区，
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揭穿国际大骗局：西式民主不能使任何国家强大
Debunk the huge international scam: western-style democracy cannot make any country strong
民主是个好东西，但西式金权民主简直就不是东西
Democracy is a good thing, but western-style democracy is not what purpose
民主和华尔街一起沦陷——美国大势分析！
Democracy and Wall Street together subjugate - the United States clung analyze!
总统选举制是美国乃至世界割之不去的民主毒瘤
President electoral is the democratic cancer of America and the world
其实,民主才是真正的洗脑工具
Actually, democracy is the real brainwashed tools
世界上有几个国家的关键崛起时期是民主国家？
what nations' rise is because of democracy?
民主人权的某国又在阿富汗屠杀9名儿童！最大不超过12岁！作孽呀！
the us with Democracy slaughter nine children in Afghanistan ! Commit iniquity!
民主何以终将毁灭印度？(转载)
why democratic will destroy India?
中华崛起第一战拔掉关岛美军基地这颗钉子(转载)
The first war to rising---- unplug Guam U.S. military base
从人种看中国崛起的必然性
China will rise of excellent race quality
世界上主要大国的崛起时期的制度，兼论民主无法强国
the system of democracy can not power
中国崛起,让美欧围剿成了世纪笑话
China's rise, let us-european encirclement and suppression became century jokes
我国作为社会主义国家，可以集中力量办大事
China is a socialist country, can concentrate the power do great things
杨洁篪：美国必须停止对台军售
Yang: the United States must end the arms sales to Taiwan
如何摧毁美国（3）—美国的防御缺陷和对美国的军事冲击
How to destroy America (3) - U.S. defense defects and to U.S. military impact
愿历史还你一个公道——悼念斯洛博丹·米洛舍维奇
Let history also you with a sense of justice - mourning slobodan milosevic
杨洁篪否认警察殴记者不希望任何人无事生事(转载)
Yang jiechi deny police attack reporter ,didn't want anyone to tell stories
英律师不懂中文被炒，控华裔老板种族歧视
The lawyers don't understand Chinese and are fired out, accused of chinese-american boss racial discrimination
一个北美印第安人原住民对中国人说的话。
A north American indians indigenous 's talk to Chinese
人民币将在2020年成为世界第一大货币
RMB in 2020, become the biggest currency in the world
资本主义民主制真的比封建世袭制好吗？
Capitalist democracy is really weaker than feudal hereditary system。
中国其实没必要在黄海和美国拼杀，我们可以在墨西哥放把火
China hasn't actually necessary in yellow sea and fought against the United States , we can fire in Mexico
成吉思汗是中国历史人物，蒙与金宋战史也是中国内战史(脚踏教皇剑西方)
Genghis khan is Chinese historical figures, wars about jin and song are China civil wars
欧美是蛮夷文化，中国的文化是最好的
west culture is savage culture, the Chinese culture is the best
说说希腊文明---子虚乌有
"Greek civilization" - fictitiousing zero (Deceive lies）
（这个idNaomasa298译者还比较熟，似乎是日本人）英国
Mmm. Looks like the kind of virulent nationalism that you can find in a lot of threads on this board.
China, much like many nations who were on the wrong end of European expansionism, is suffering from an inferiority complex and is looking to make up for decades of perceived humiliating treatment, much like the Japanese did at the start of the 20th century - except 100 years later and with ten times the population.
嗯，从上述很多话语中，都能看到荼毒人心的民族主义。
中国，就像很多曾遭受欧洲殖民侵略的国家一样，有着浓浓的自卑情结，并且正试图一雪前耻。这很像日本在20世纪初所做的那样——只不过晚了100年，还有着10倍的人口。
And who can blame them? A case of "it's ok when we did it to you but not when you do it to us"?
而谁又能（为此而）责怪他们呢？如果这么做了，那就是“我们能对你们这么干，但你们要想对我们也这么干，那就不行了。”
Wastedgrunt36美国
回复楼上天涯上的贴“成吉思汗是中国历史人物，蒙与金宋战史也是中国内战史(脚踏教皇剑西方)”
This part gave me a laugh. But really, it's just a bbs as you say. As long as the leaders of china aren't saying this. If they are, what right do we have to stop them?
看到这个，俺笑了。但是像你说的，这只是一个BBS上的论调。只要中国的领导人没这么说（这就不能证明什么）。不过如果他们这么说了，我们又有什么权力才能阻止他们呢？
Rosi英国
I once heard someone say that Genghis Khan was a Buddhist, and I thought what a great advert for Buddhism he was.
我有一次听人说啊,成吉思汗是个佛教徒。我想，对佛教来说成吉思汗是个多么牛叉的广告啊。
Erm, sorry. What's "bbs"?
呃,对不起,什么是“bbs”?
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imperialmen印度
印度人看到了“民主何以终将毁灭印度？(转载)”
Explain it to me, what this means?
Ok, I translated it to: "Why India will eventually destroy democracy?"...... I don't understand why people will give up their freedom....
告诉我,这是什么意思?
好的,我把它翻译为:“为什么印度最终将会破坏民主?”……我不明白为什么人们会放弃他们的自由....
(“中华崛起第一战拔掉关岛美军基地这颗钉子(转载)”)
This is a worrying thing....
这真是让人担忧的论调啊....
（说说希腊文明---子虚乌有）
LOL! Its the world's end when Thess sees this!
哈哈~ ~ !要是帖撒罗尼迦人看到了这这些，那会是世界的末日！
“帖撒罗尼迦”(THESsALONICA)城，是马其顿省一个重要的城市。
Naomasa298英国
（回ls英国人）
. It's an ancient term from the pre-historic days when the internet was young and men courted women by bashing them over the head with a club. You'd use your dial-up connection to connect to a closed system where you could post messages. They didn't have graphics or anything.
Nowadays, the term is usually used to refer to forums, much like this one.
And that IS history.
"Bulletin board"
意为“布告栏区”（Bulletin board）。这个术语来自史前时代，在互联网刚刚发展并且男人们还在用棍棒打女人的时候一度被使用过。你用你的拨号上网链接到互联网上一个封闭的系统，在那里你可以张贴消息。在那上面你无法贴图，也不能使用其他许多功能。
如今,这个术语通常指论坛,就像lz所举的这个一样。
并且那是已经是历史了。
Mandate of Heaven台湾
Mongolia had been a part of China until fairly recently(I think in the late 40's of last century). Even today, there are way more Mongolians who were also Chinese(living in China) than those in the Outer Mongolia.
蒙古一直是中国的一部分，直到近代才发生了变化。（我认为是在上个世纪40年代）甚至到了今天，生活在中国的蒙古人也远远多于生活在外蒙古的人。
Moreover, Ghengis Khan did rule over the northern half of China. So, I can understand if he is seen as a Chinese historical figure. I am sure Persians consider Alexander to be a figure of Persian history.
此外，成吉思汗曾经统治过中国的北半部。所以，我可以理解那种说成吉思汗是中国人的观点。我相信，波斯人也会考虑把亚历山大看作是波斯历史上的一位人物。
Lord_of_Gauda加拿大
Mongolia only became part of China for a very brief period of time- the Qing dynasty period. Much like Tibet, China's claim to include mongolia into its historical and cultural domain is spurious.
蒙古仅仅在清代曾短暂地成为中国的一部分。这其实很像西藏，中国宣称蒙古是它不可分割的一部分，并且谎称自己对其在文化和历史上有着重大影响。
aihumon楼主，中国
while,i have found chinese "5mao"s---Communist propagandists to be hired by china government,with one post 0.5yuan ,have be full of famous web-sites all over the world.
They are propaganding all of the views i have Pasted above on every foreign web-sites ,not only in chinese web-sites.They slander Democracy and west civilization,declare that china is the unique civilization in the world,ridicule india ,the us, Australia,Japan,and South Korea.
china has generous military forums in which the Nationalists imagine attacking the US by atomic weapons,to govern the world by the unique civilized system-- tribute system
嘛，我发现了好多中国“五毛党”——中国政府雇人为GCD做宣传，一贴0.5元（原文one post 0.5yuan），这些人看来现在已经充斥了全球的知名网络。
我已将他们宣传的所有观点都贴在了外国网站上，不过没有贴在中国网站上。他们诽谤民主和西方文明，宣传中国是世界上独一无二的文明，嘲笑印度、美国、日本还有韩国。
而在中国豪情万丈的军事论坛里，国家主义者想象着用原子弹攻击美国，并将世界纳入他们奇特的统治体系——朝贡体系。
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Lucius美国
Wait a minute. Do you mean that you are mocking Chinese nationalism?
Look, there are nationalist people all over the world. They all think their tribe/nation/whatever is the most wonderful, etc, and no amount of statistics will sway them. Why should the Chinese be any different?
I welcome China's arrival on the world stage and I expect great things of them. Chinese people are smart.
Letting a hundred flowers blossom and a hundred schools of thought contend is the policy for promoting progress in the arts and the sciences and a flourishing socialist culture.
But this time, make it for real. That's how everybody else did it.
等一下。你的意思是你在嘲笑中国的民族主义吗?
看,全世界都有民族主义者嘛。他们都认为他们的部族/国家/什么是最棒的，摆出资料也无法让他们改变心意。为什么事情到了中国这儿就不同了?
我欢迎中国人民登上世界舞台，我对他们寄予厚望。中国人民很聪明。
为了促进艺术和科学进步及繁荣社会主义文化，（中国人）制定了百花齐放、百家争鸣正财
而这一次，它在现实生活中应验了。这正是别人所做的。
Mandate of Heaven台湾
Qing dynasty is not a brief period of time. It ran from 1644 to 1912, almost 3 centuries. Counting ROC and PRC, Tibet has been Chinese for almost 400 years today.
清朝的统治时间可不短。它从1644延续到1912年，统治了中国将进3个世纪呢。要是再算上中华民国和中华人民共和国，到今天西藏作为中国的一部分已经有近四百年的历史了。
USA's hold on its territories is much briefer. Does US have a sprious hold on California, which has only been in the Union for little more than 100 years?
美国人统治他们的领土的时间还更短呢。加利福尼亚加入美利坚合众国的联盟也不过百年，那么美国对加州的控制是否也值得诟病呢？
Current India's hold on the different subcontinent territories is even briefer. Can we say its claim to the different regions which used to be independent states and had distinct cultures/languages/histories spurious?
而印度统治它位于印度次大陆上的领土的时间甚至比美国还要短。难道我们能因为印度的不同地区有不同的文化、语言和历史，就否定印度对其的统治，并且宣称它们都是独立的国家么？
Lord_of_Gauda加拿大
it is a brief period of time in the context of the civilization we are talking about. In their recorded history, Tibet and Mongolia have spent the bulk of their time independent of Chinese influence than being subordinates or conquered.
在我们所探讨的有关文明的语境下，确实只是短期。在他们有记录的历史中，比起被中国征服、屈从于中国的统治，西藏和蒙古在尝试摆脱中国的影响上投入的时间更多。
Irrelevant- California's history is predominantly Mexican/American for the last several hundred years, before which, its history is completely indeterminate and unknown.
加州的历史无关——主要是墨西哥和美国的在过去的几百年的时间,在那之前,它的历史是完全不确定性和未知。
不要拿加州的例子作比，加州的历史主要也就是这几百年间墨西哥或是美国人控制的历史，在此之前，它的历史是完全一片混沌。
Virtually all the regions held by India has a strong Indian cultural and political influence and the concept of India is not a mono-ethnic/mono-linguistic/mono-cultural domination like China's is explicitly (Han supremacy).
几乎所有印度统治的地区都有浓厚鲜明的印度文化及政治影响力，而且印度这一概念和中国不同，并不像后者，是单民族、单语言、单文化统治下的大汉族主义。
不会吧 这个帖子刚发上来就 沉了
这个恐怕部分国人更喜欢表现自己的超脱，可惜永远改变不了别人看他的眼神
这样自以为是的傻x年年有，何必认真呢
尽管伊斯兰文明比欧洲更为专横,但其国家还未能发展成为黑洞,它还是有着光明的前景。但是中国想要和伊斯兰世界结为盟友，抢先一步将其吸纳。
这是啥? 白毛!