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Monday, December 27, 2010
ADM Willard: DF-21D Reaches “Initial Operational Capability” (IOC)
When the 4 Star running PACOM says it (ADM Willard), and one the nations most prominent PLA analysts reports it (Andrew Erickson), it would be difficult to find two better sources for confirmation. Indeed, it might be impossible to find two better sources for confirmation.

From Andrew Erickson's fantastic blog.


As we enter the Year of the Hare, China has achieved a major military milestone far faster than many foreign observers thought possible. In a December 2010 interview with veteran national security journalist Yoichi Kato of the Asahi Shimbun, Admiral Robert F. Willard, Commander, U.S. Pacific Command, offered significant new revelations:

Kato: Let me go into China’s anti-access area denial (A2AD) capabilities. What is the current status of China’s anti-ship ballistic missile (ASBM) development, and how close is it to actual operational deployment?

Willard: The anti-ship ballistic missile system in China has undergone extensive testing. An analogy using a Western term would be “initial operational capability (IOC),” whereby it has—I think China would perceive that it has—an operational capability now, but they continue to develop it. It will continue to undergo testing, I would imagine, for several more years.

Q: China has IOC?

A: You would have to ask China that, but as we see the development of the system, their acknowledging the system in open press reporting and the continued testing of the system, I would gauge it as about the equivalent of a U.S. system that has achieved IOC.

Q: China has already perfected the technology to fly that missile and also the sensor systems for targeting. Has the entire system integration been completed?

A: Typically, to have something that would be regarded as in its early operational stage would require that that system be able to accomplish its flight pattern as designed, by and large.

Q: But they have not conducted the actual flight test or the test to attack moving ships yet, have they?

A: We have not seen an over-water test of the entire system.

Q: But do you believe they already have that capability?

A: I think that the component parts of the anti-ship ballistic missile have been developed and tested.

Q: Is it a bigger threat to the United States than submarines in terms of their anti-access area denial?

A: No, I don’t think so. Anti-access area denial, which is a term that was relatively recently coined, is attempting to represent an entire range of capabilities that China has developed and that other countries have developed.

It’s not exclusively China that has what is now being referred to as A2/AD capability. But in China’s case, it’s a combination of integrated air defense systems, advanced naval systems such as the submarine, advanced ballistic missile systems such as the anti-ship ballistic missile, as well as power projection systems into the region.

The anti-access area denial systems, more or less, range countries, archipelagos such as Japan, the Philippines and Vietnam, so there are many countries in the region that are falling within the envelope of this, of an A2AD capability of China. That should be concerning—and we know is concerning—to those countries.

While it may be largely designed to assure China of its ability to affect military operations within its regional waters, it is an expanded capability that ranges beyond the first island chain and overlaps countries in the region. For that reason, it is concerning to Southeast Asia, (and) it remains concerning to the United States.
Read the rest at Andrew Erickson's blog. There is no greater source on the internet for the DF-21D and Andrew's blog is one of the best link libraries on the internet for finding additional information.

Five days before the new year and this becomes the most important Navy story of 2010. Nelson once said "A Ship's a Fool to Fight a Fort," but in the next decade US Naval forces are being developed and shaped to fight the fortress of defensive capabilities contained in modern maritime Anti-Access, Area Denial (A2AD) defensive systems. The Navy has been careful not to describe the rise of China's Navy as an arms race, but there is an arms race taking place between the DF-21D and the AEGIS combat system - and for the present time, it would appear the DF-21D is winning.

I don't care what Lockheed Martin says, the latest version of AEGIS BMD was not designed to defeat this weapon. Tomorrows version will be capable of doing so, but not todays. AEGIS BMD is still based on tracking the trajectory of ballistic missiles at launch, which means once the DF-21D changes course in mid-flight it is almost a certainty that whatever interceptor is launched from sea will be hundreds of miles off course. It is a problem that can and is being addressed.

Once again it is noteworthy, the US underestimated China's ability to develop and field a military system - something the US has been doing a lot over the last few years - and now we are the one playing catch up.

http://www.informationdisseminat ... eaches-initial.html

Monday, December 27, 2010

Willard 上将:DF21-D具备初始作战能力
美国太平洋战区司令Willard 四星上将和美国最杰出的中国人民解放军分析家Andrew Erickson都报告了中国DF21-D的消息。很难/(事实上不可能)再找出更权威的消息来源了。

以下来自Andrew Erickson:

随着兔年的来临,中国在主要的军事领域获得了里程碑式的成就,这比很多外国观察家想的要快得多。在2010年12月日本资深安全记者Yoichi Kato 的采访中,美国太平洋战区司令阐述了新的发现:


Kato: 关于中国防止(美军)介入的能力, 现在中国ASBM的情况如何,离实际部署还有多久?

Willard: 中国已经对ASBM作了大量测试。用西方的术语来说,现在中国ASBM具备初始作战能力,也就是说已经具有作战能力了。但他们还在进行进一步的研究,我认为他们还会在未来几年内做更多的测试。

Q: 中国已经具备初始作战能力了吗?

A: 这你得问中国,你只能从中国人那里得到最准确的答案。但就我们对于该系统的研发,从公开报道中得到他们对该系统的研究和测试的消息,我判断他们已经获得了我们所说的初始作战能力

Q: 中国已经完善了导弹的飞行技术和捕获目标的技术。他们完成了全系统的合成测试了吗?

A: 一般说来,对于处于早期使用阶段(的DF21D,大体上的飞行测试已经完成。

Q: 但是他们还没有完成实际测试和攻击移动中的船只,不是吗?

A: 我们还没有观测到海上的测试。

Q: 但你认为他们已经具备初始作战能力了?

A: 我认为ASBM的各个部分都已完成研发和测试。

Q: 这对美国海军来说是比潜艇更大的威胁吗?

A: 不。阻断介入需要整套体系的研发。

现在还不能说中国已经获得了阻断(美军)介入A2/AD 的能力。但对中国来说,这是一个整体性的空防体系、先进海上体系如潜艇、弹道导弹系统如ASBM, 以及力量投放体系的结合。

这套阻断介入A2/AD 体系涵盖了周边国家如日本菲律宾和越南。这些国家肯定会加以考虑。

这套系统保障了中国在周边海域的军事行动。这种能力扩展到了第一岛链,覆盖了周边国家。因此东南亚各国和美国都需要加以考虑。

阅读Andrew Erickson 的部落格,是关于DF-21D 的最佳信息来源:.

纳尔逊说过军舰不能对抗要塞。但十年后美国海军建立了,并(一直)与防御的要塞以及现代海上阻断介入能力斗争。海军小心避免与中国进行军备竞赛的说法,但在DF21D和宙斯盾系统中确实存在竞赛。现在而言DF21-D是胜利者。

我不关心洛马的屁话。目前最新的宙斯盾不是为对抗DF21D而设计的。未来的宙斯盾有这能力,但现在的宙斯盾还只能基于跟踪弹道导弹发射阶段的轨迹(来追踪)。这就意味着一旦DF21D中途变轨,基本上就宣布海基拦截弹将飞到离目标几百海里以外。这个问题目前正在研究中。

美国再一次低估了中国研发部署军事系统的能力,几年来美国在这方面多次犯错,于是现在我们变成了追赶者。

http://www.informationdisseminat ... eaches-initial.html

Monday, December 27, 2010
ADM Willard: DF-21D Reaches “Initial Operational Capability” (IOC)
When the 4 Star running PACOM says it (ADM Willard), and one the nations most prominent PLA analysts reports it (Andrew Erickson), it would be difficult to find two better sources for confirmation. Indeed, it might be impossible to find two better sources for confirmation.

From Andrew Erickson's fantastic blog.


As we enter the Year of the Hare, China has achieved a major military milestone far faster than many foreign observers thought possible. In a December 2010 interview with veteran national security journalist Yoichi Kato of the Asahi Shimbun, Admiral Robert F. Willard, Commander, U.S. Pacific Command, offered significant new revelations:

Kato: Let me go into China’s anti-access area denial (A2AD) capabilities. What is the current status of China’s anti-ship ballistic missile (ASBM) development, and how close is it to actual operational deployment?

Willard: The anti-ship ballistic missile system in China has undergone extensive testing. An analogy using a Western term would be “initial operational capability (IOC),” whereby it has—I think China would perceive that it has—an operational capability now, but they continue to develop it. It will continue to undergo testing, I would imagine, for several more years.

Q: China has IOC?

A: You would have to ask China that, but as we see the development of the system, their acknowledging the system in open press reporting and the continued testing of the system, I would gauge it as about the equivalent of a U.S. system that has achieved IOC.

Q: China has already perfected the technology to fly that missile and also the sensor systems for targeting. Has the entire system integration been completed?

A: Typically, to have something that would be regarded as in its early operational stage would require that that system be able to accomplish its flight pattern as designed, by and large.

Q: But they have not conducted the actual flight test or the test to attack moving ships yet, have they?

A: We have not seen an over-water test of the entire system.

Q: But do you believe they already have that capability?

A: I think that the component parts of the anti-ship ballistic missile have been developed and tested.

Q: Is it a bigger threat to the United States than submarines in terms of their anti-access area denial?

A: No, I don’t think so. Anti-access area denial, which is a term that was relatively recently coined, is attempting to represent an entire range of capabilities that China has developed and that other countries have developed.

It’s not exclusively China that has what is now being referred to as A2/AD capability. But in China’s case, it’s a combination of integrated air defense systems, advanced naval systems such as the submarine, advanced ballistic missile systems such as the anti-ship ballistic missile, as well as power projection systems into the region.

The anti-access area denial systems, more or less, range countries, archipelagos such as Japan, the Philippines and Vietnam, so there are many countries in the region that are falling within the envelope of this, of an A2AD capability of China. That should be concerning—and we know is concerning—to those countries.

While it may be largely designed to assure China of its ability to affect military operations within its regional waters, it is an expanded capability that ranges beyond the first island chain and overlaps countries in the region. For that reason, it is concerning to Southeast Asia, (and) it remains concerning to the United States.
Read the rest at Andrew Erickson's blog. There is no greater source on the internet for the DF-21D and Andrew's blog is one of the best link libraries on the internet for finding additional information.

Five days before the new year and this becomes the most important Navy story of 2010. Nelson once said "A Ship's a Fool to Fight a Fort," but in the next decade US Naval forces are being developed and shaped to fight the fortress of defensive capabilities contained in modern maritime Anti-Access, Area Denial (A2AD) defensive systems. The Navy has been careful not to describe the rise of China's Navy as an arms race, but there is an arms race taking place between the DF-21D and the AEGIS combat system - and for the present time, it would appear the DF-21D is winning.

I don't care what Lockheed Martin says, the latest version of AEGIS BMD was not designed to defeat this weapon. Tomorrows version will be capable of doing so, but not todays. AEGIS BMD is still based on tracking the trajectory of ballistic missiles at launch, which means once the DF-21D changes course in mid-flight it is almost a certainty that whatever interceptor is launched from sea will be hundreds of miles off course. It is a problem that can and is being addressed.

Once again it is noteworthy, the US underestimated China's ability to develop and field a military system - something the US has been doing a lot over the last few years - and now we are the one playing catch up.

http://www.informationdisseminat ... eaches-initial.html

Monday, December 27, 2010

Willard 上将:DF21-D具备初始作战能力
美国太平洋战区司令Willard 四星上将和美国最杰出的中国人民解放军分析家Andrew Erickson都报告了中国DF21-D的消息。很难/(事实上不可能)再找出更权威的消息来源了。

以下来自Andrew Erickson:

随着兔年的来临,中国在主要的军事领域获得了里程碑式的成就,这比很多外国观察家想的要快得多。在2010年12月日本资深安全记者Yoichi Kato 的采访中,美国太平洋战区司令阐述了新的发现:


Kato: 关于中国防止(美军)介入的能力, 现在中国ASBM的情况如何,离实际部署还有多久?

Willard: 中国已经对ASBM作了大量测试。用西方的术语来说,现在中国ASBM具备初始作战能力,也就是说已经具有作战能力了。但他们还在进行进一步的研究,我认为他们还会在未来几年内做更多的测试。

Q: 中国已经具备初始作战能力了吗?

A: 这你得问中国,你只能从中国人那里得到最准确的答案。但就我们对于该系统的研发,从公开报道中得到他们对该系统的研究和测试的消息,我判断他们已经获得了我们所说的初始作战能力

Q: 中国已经完善了导弹的飞行技术和捕获目标的技术。他们完成了全系统的合成测试了吗?

A: 一般说来,对于处于早期使用阶段(的DF21D,大体上的飞行测试已经完成。

Q: 但是他们还没有完成实际测试和攻击移动中的船只,不是吗?

A: 我们还没有观测到海上的测试。

Q: 但你认为他们已经具备初始作战能力了?

A: 我认为ASBM的各个部分都已完成研发和测试。

Q: 这对美国海军来说是比潜艇更大的威胁吗?

A: 不。阻断介入需要整套体系的研发。

现在还不能说中国已经获得了阻断(美军)介入A2/AD 的能力。但对中国来说,这是一个整体性的空防体系、先进海上体系如潜艇、弹道导弹系统如ASBM, 以及力量投放体系的结合。

这套阻断介入A2/AD 体系涵盖了周边国家如日本菲律宾和越南。这些国家肯定会加以考虑。

这套系统保障了中国在周边海域的军事行动。这种能力扩展到了第一岛链,覆盖了周边国家。因此东南亚各国和美国都需要加以考虑。

阅读Andrew Erickson 的部落格,是关于DF-21D 的最佳信息来源:.

纳尔逊说过军舰不能对抗要塞。但十年后美国海军建立了,并(一直)与防御的要塞以及现代海上阻断介入能力斗争。海军小心避免与中国进行军备竞赛的说法,但在DF21D和宙斯盾系统中确实存在竞赛。现在而言DF21-D是胜利者。

我不关心洛马的屁话。目前最新的宙斯盾不是为对抗DF21D而设计的。未来的宙斯盾有这能力,但现在的宙斯盾还只能基于跟踪弹道导弹发射阶段的轨迹(来追踪)。这就意味着一旦DF21D中途变轨,基本上就宣布海基拦截弹将飞到离目标几百海里以外。这个问题目前正在研究中。

美国再一次低估了中国研发部署军事系统的能力,几年来美国在这方面多次犯错,于是现在我们变成了追赶者。


中国东风21-D 世界第一种反舰弹道导弹
Chinese Dong Feng-21D: World’s First Anti-Ship Ballistic Missile
DF-21D(ASBM) based on DF-21 is a conventionally-armed high hypersonic(speeds greater than Mach 10) land-based anti-ship ballistic missile (ASBM) with a range of up to 3,000 km (1,900 miles). It is world’s first and only ASBM and the world’s first weapons system capable of targeting a moving aircraft carrier battle group from long-range, land-based mobile launchers. It utilizes maneuverable reentry vehicles (MaRVs) with some kind of terminal guidance system. It is important to mention that the DF-21 has also been developed into space launcher and anti-satellite(World’s First)/anti-missile weapon carrier.

With the complete development of Dong Feng – 21D China would be challenging the  invincible carrier fleet dominance of the high seas by the US.

It is speculated that such a missile may have been tested in 2005-6, and the launch of the Jianbing-5/YaoGan-1 and Jianbing-6/YaoGan-2 satellites would give the Chinese targeting information from SAR and visual imaging respectively. The upgrades would greatly enhance China’s ability to conduct sea-denial operations to prevent US carriers from intervention in the Taiwan Strait in any future conflict.

The U.S. Department of Defense has confirmed the existence of the DF-21D land-based ASBM system, which is the world’s first and only of its kind capable of targeting a slow-moving aircraft carrier battle group from a land-based mobile launcher from a maximum distance of 3,000 km(possibly with smaller payload).

Analysts note that while much has been made of China’s efforts to ready a carrier fleet of its own, it would likely take decades to catch U.S. carrier crews level of expertise, training and experience. But Beijing does not need to match the U.S. carrier for carrier as they have gone for the unconventional way, the Dong Feng – 21D, smarter, and vastly cheaper, could successfully attack a U.S. carrier, or at least deter it from getting too close though it is estimated it might take some time for Chinese to perfect the technology.

U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates warned of the threat in a speech last September at the Air Force Association Convention:

“When considering the military-modernization programs of countries like China, we should be concerned less with their potential ability to challenge the U.S. symmetrically – fighter to fighter or ship to ship – and more with their ability to disrupt our freedom of movement and narrow our strategic options. China’s investments in cyber and anti-satellite warfare, anti-air and anti-ship weaponry, along with ballistic missiles could threaten America’s primary way to project power through its forward air bases and carrier strike groups.”

The Pentagon has been worried for years about China getting an anti-ship ballistic missile. The Pentagon considers such a missile an “anti-access,” weapon, meaning that it could deny others access to certain areas. Patrick Cronin, senior director of the Asia-Pacific Security Program at the Center for a New American Security, told Associated Press:

“The Navy has long had to fear carrier-killing capabilities. The emerging Chinese antiship missile capability, and in particular the DF-21D , represents the first post-Cold War capability that is both potentially capable of stopping our naval power projection and deliberately designed for that purpose.”

The Air Force’s top surveillance and intelligence officer, Lt. Gen. David Deptula, told reporters this week that China’s effort to increase anti-access capability is part of a worrisome trend.He did not single out the DF-21D, but said:

“While we might not fight the Chinese, we may end up in situations where we’ll certainly be opposing the equipment that they build and sell around the world."

China’s Defense Ministry never comments on new weapons before they become operational for example J-10 was highly classified until sufficient numbers were operational, therefore, it remained silent on DF-21D issue but there has been much discussion by military buffs online on this new revolutionary weapon.

Experts have said that China would conduct the final test of DF-21D by the end of this year. Some analysts believe that DF-21D may not come quick with ideal precision and accuracy to target a moving carrier.

China has recently launched a series of satellites to support its ASBM efforts. Each launched satellite enhanced capabilities which would be needed for the pin point accuracy of the ASBM:

•Yaogan-VII electro-optical satellite – 9 December 2009
•Yaogan-VIII synthetic aperture radar satellite – 14 December 2009
•Yaogan-IX Naval Ocean Surveillance System (NOSS) constellation (3 satellites in formation) – 5 March 2010.

中国东风21D世界第一种反舰弹道导弹

DF21D ASBM 是路基发射的、带有传统弹头的高超音速(大于10倍音速)反舰弹道导弹,射程达3000公里。这是世界上第一种也是唯一的一种能从陆地远程机动发射并远距离锁定运动中航母战斗群的武器系统。它使用大气层再入机动技术(MaRVs)并具备某种末端制导。值得注意的是DF21还用于研发宇宙火箭和反卫星(世界第一种)/反导载体。

DF21D完成后,中国将能挑战美无敌航母编队在海上的霸权。

这种导弹可能在2005-06年间就进行了测试。中国发射的尖兵5/遥感1 和尖兵6/遥感2 卫星给中国提供了SAR和图像信息。这显著提高了中国在海上阻断行动中阻止美航母介入台湾海峡及其它行动的能力。

美国国防部已经证实了DF-21D 路基反舰弹道导弹的存在。这是世界上第一种路基机动发射,能锁定缓慢运动的航母战斗群的武器,小载荷下的最大射程为3000公里。)

分析家指出尽管中国为自行发展航母的付出了巨大的努力,但他们仍需要多年才能赶上美国航母成员在操作、训练和经验上的水准。但中国不需要这么做,而可以发展一种非传统(不对称)的武器。DF-21D,小而且便宜, 可以成功的攻击美国航母,或起码驱赶他们离开。但中国可能还需要一些时间来完善这种技术。

美国防部长Robert Gates 在去年9月的一次空军联合会议上警告了这种威胁:“在考虑像中国这样的国家的武器现代化进程时,不应该过多考虑他们在对称性武器方面的挑战——机对机、舰对舰—而应该更多考虑他们阻止我们的通行自由的能力,以及限制我们做出战略决定的选择能力。中国在网络武器、反卫星武器和防空、反舰武器上的研发,以及弹道导弹的发展可以威胁到美国从空中和航母投射武力的能力。”

多年来五角大楼一直对中国可能获得ASBM忧心忡忡。五角大楼认为这是一种阻断介入的武器,即阻止其他人利用某一特定区域。

Patrick Cronin, 亚太安全计划的资深领导者告诉媒体:“美海军一直害怕攻击航母的能力,中国反舰导弹,特别是DF21D, 代表冷战后第一次有人有潜在的能力和意愿来阻止我们的海上力量。”

本周空军顶级情报和侦查官员,David Deptula中将告诉记者,中国对阻断介入能力的投入令人忧心。他没有特地提到DF-21D, 但指出:

“我们也许不会和中国发生战争,但我们也许会碰到他们制造并卖到世界各地的武器"

中国国防部长在新武器部署前是不会承认其存在的,比如歼十战机在达到足够数量具备战斗力之前一直是绝密。所以他们对DF21D保持沉默。尽管网上对这种革命性的武器有很多传言。

专家认为中国会在年底对DF21D进行最终的测试。有些人则认为DF-21D的精度不可能很快就达到对付航母的水平。

中国最近发射的一系列可支持ASBM系统的卫星:
9 December 2009 遥感7光电卫星
14 December 2009 遥感8合成孔径卫星
5 March 2010. 遥感9海洋侦查卫星群(3星系统)

来源 http://chillopedia.com/military/ ... -ballistic-missile/

中国东风21-D 世界第一种反舰弹道导弹
Chinese Dong Feng-21D: World’s First Anti-Ship Ballistic Missile
DF-21D(ASBM) based on DF-21 is a conventionally-armed high hypersonic(speeds greater than Mach 10) land-based anti-ship ballistic missile (ASBM) with a range of up to 3,000 km (1,900 miles). It is world’s first and only ASBM and the world’s first weapons system capable of targeting a moving aircraft carrier battle group from long-range, land-based mobile launchers. It utilizes maneuverable reentry vehicles (MaRVs) with some kind of terminal guidance system. It is important to mention that the DF-21 has also been developed into space launcher and anti-satellite(World’s First)/anti-missile weapon carrier.

With the complete development of Dong Feng – 21D China would be challenging the  invincible carrier fleet dominance of the high seas by the US.

It is speculated that such a missile may have been tested in 2005-6, and the launch of the Jianbing-5/YaoGan-1 and Jianbing-6/YaoGan-2 satellites would give the Chinese targeting information from SAR and visual imaging respectively. The upgrades would greatly enhance China’s ability to conduct sea-denial operations to prevent US carriers from intervention in the Taiwan Strait in any future conflict.

The U.S. Department of Defense has confirmed the existence of the DF-21D land-based ASBM system, which is the world’s first and only of its kind capable of targeting a slow-moving aircraft carrier battle group from a land-based mobile launcher from a maximum distance of 3,000 km(possibly with smaller payload).

Analysts note that while much has been made of China’s efforts to ready a carrier fleet of its own, it would likely take decades to catch U.S. carrier crews level of expertise, training and experience. But Beijing does not need to match the U.S. carrier for carrier as they have gone for the unconventional way, the Dong Feng – 21D, smarter, and vastly cheaper, could successfully attack a U.S. carrier, or at least deter it from getting too close though it is estimated it might take some time for Chinese to perfect the technology.

U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates warned of the threat in a speech last September at the Air Force Association Convention:

“When considering the military-modernization programs of countries like China, we should be concerned less with their potential ability to challenge the U.S. symmetrically – fighter to fighter or ship to ship – and more with their ability to disrupt our freedom of movement and narrow our strategic options. China’s investments in cyber and anti-satellite warfare, anti-air and anti-ship weaponry, along with ballistic missiles could threaten America’s primary way to project power through its forward air bases and carrier strike groups.”

The Pentagon has been worried for years about China getting an anti-ship ballistic missile. The Pentagon considers such a missile an “anti-access,” weapon, meaning that it could deny others access to certain areas. Patrick Cronin, senior director of the Asia-Pacific Security Program at the Center for a New American Security, told Associated Press:

“The Navy has long had to fear carrier-killing capabilities. The emerging Chinese antiship missile capability, and in particular the DF-21D , represents the first post-Cold War capability that is both potentially capable of stopping our naval power projection and deliberately designed for that purpose.”

The Air Force’s top surveillance and intelligence officer, Lt. Gen. David Deptula, told reporters this week that China’s effort to increase anti-access capability is part of a worrisome trend.He did not single out the DF-21D, but said:

“While we might not fight the Chinese, we may end up in situations where we’ll certainly be opposing the equipment that they build and sell around the world."

China’s Defense Ministry never comments on new weapons before they become operational for example J-10 was highly classified until sufficient numbers were operational, therefore, it remained silent on DF-21D issue but there has been much discussion by military buffs online on this new revolutionary weapon.

Experts have said that China would conduct the final test of DF-21D by the end of this year. Some analysts believe that DF-21D may not come quick with ideal precision and accuracy to target a moving carrier.

China has recently launched a series of satellites to support its ASBM efforts. Each launched satellite enhanced capabilities which would be needed for the pin point accuracy of the ASBM:

•Yaogan-VII electro-optical satellite – 9 December 2009
•Yaogan-VIII synthetic aperture radar satellite – 14 December 2009
•Yaogan-IX Naval Ocean Surveillance System (NOSS) constellation (3 satellites in formation) – 5 March 2010.

中国东风21D世界第一种反舰弹道导弹

DF21D ASBM 是路基发射的、带有传统弹头的高超音速(大于10倍音速)反舰弹道导弹,射程达3000公里。这是世界上第一种也是唯一的一种能从陆地远程机动发射并远距离锁定运动中航母战斗群的武器系统。它使用大气层再入机动技术(MaRVs)并具备某种末端制导。值得注意的是DF21还用于研发宇宙火箭和反卫星(世界第一种)/反导载体。

DF21D完成后,中国将能挑战美无敌航母编队在海上的霸权。

这种导弹可能在2005-06年间就进行了测试。中国发射的尖兵5/遥感1 和尖兵6/遥感2 卫星给中国提供了SAR和图像信息。这显著提高了中国在海上阻断行动中阻止美航母介入台湾海峡及其它行动的能力。

美国国防部已经证实了DF-21D 路基反舰弹道导弹的存在。这是世界上第一种路基机动发射,能锁定缓慢运动的航母战斗群的武器,小载荷下的最大射程为3000公里。)

分析家指出尽管中国为自行发展航母的付出了巨大的努力,但他们仍需要多年才能赶上美国航母成员在操作、训练和经验上的水准。但中国不需要这么做,而可以发展一种非传统(不对称)的武器。DF-21D,小而且便宜, 可以成功的攻击美国航母,或起码驱赶他们离开。但中国可能还需要一些时间来完善这种技术。

美国防部长Robert Gates 在去年9月的一次空军联合会议上警告了这种威胁:“在考虑像中国这样的国家的武器现代化进程时,不应该过多考虑他们在对称性武器方面的挑战——机对机、舰对舰—而应该更多考虑他们阻止我们的通行自由的能力,以及限制我们做出战略决定的选择能力。中国在网络武器、反卫星武器和防空、反舰武器上的研发,以及弹道导弹的发展可以威胁到美国从空中和航母投射武力的能力。”

多年来五角大楼一直对中国可能获得ASBM忧心忡忡。五角大楼认为这是一种阻断介入的武器,即阻止其他人利用某一特定区域。

Patrick Cronin, 亚太安全计划的资深领导者告诉媒体:“美海军一直害怕攻击航母的能力,中国反舰导弹,特别是DF21D, 代表冷战后第一次有人有潜在的能力和意愿来阻止我们的海上力量。”

本周空军顶级情报和侦查官员,David Deptula中将告诉记者,中国对阻断介入能力的投入令人忧心。他没有特地提到DF-21D, 但指出:

“我们也许不会和中国发生战争,但我们也许会碰到他们制造并卖到世界各地的武器"

中国国防部长在新武器部署前是不会承认其存在的,比如歼十战机在达到足够数量具备战斗力之前一直是绝密。所以他们对DF21D保持沉默。尽管网上对这种革命性的武器有很多传言。

专家认为中国会在年底对DF21D进行最终的测试。有些人则认为DF-21D的精度不可能很快就达到对付航母的水平。

中国最近发射的一系列可支持ASBM系统的卫星:
9 December 2009 遥感7光电卫星
14 December 2009 遥感8合成孔径卫星
5 March 2010. 遥感9海洋侦查卫星群(3星系统)

来源 http://chillopedia.com/military/ ... -ballistic-missile/
呼叫翻译帝
其实DF21-D ASBM 的存在已经得到证实,只是其作战效能、何时部署、进一步研发状况大家还只能靠猜。下面一些链接有兴趣地可以参考:

美国防部的新闻:美海军情报局主管Vice Adm. David J. “Jack” Dorsett的报告:
http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=62346

美国海军学院教授Christopher J. Dennis, CDR 的文章:
http://www.usnwc.edu/Academics/Faculty/Christopher-Dennis,-CDR/Officers--Call/November-2010/Pondering-life-with-China-s-DF-21D--Carrier-Killer.aspx
ASBM的作战方式:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/weapons/how-it-works-china-antiship-ballistic-missile

美海军相信DF21D的存在:
http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/USN-Believes-The-DF-21D-Is-Live-1-14-2011.asp

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110215/ap_on_re_as/as_us_china_carrier_killer

还有一篇popular mechanics杂志上的文章,关于虚构的中美战争,比较有趣:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/navy-ships/what-a-war-between-china-and-the-us-would-look-like
http://wareye.com/chinas-df-21d-missiles-with-combat-capability-have-been-deployed-to-the-coastal

中国已在海岸部署具有实战能力的DF21-D ASBM导弹

China’s DF-21D missiles with combat capability have been deployed to the coastal


Willard, commander U.S. Pacific Command, recently received an interview with Japanese media, said China’s Dongfeng-21D anti-ship ballistic missile developments. He pointed out that the DF-21D missile after intensive testing after deployment to the east coast now, and already have an initial operational capability (IOC). The deployment of missile-US relations will enter a new situation.

"China’s Dongfeng-21D anti-ship missile with an initial operational capability"

Year of the Rabbit with the arrival of many foreign observers, China has far exceeded the expected rate, achieved significant military achievements. December 27, 2010 Asahi Shimbun of Japan Yoichi Kato, a senior defense reporters on the U.S. Pacific Fleet Commander Robert Willard F · interview, can provide important new insight:

Yoichi Kato: China’s anti-access / area denial (A2/AD) capability, the Chinese anti-ship ballistic missile development in which the current status? How can the actual deployment?

Willard: China’s anti-ship ballistic missile system is subject to extensive testing. Argument with the West is that China’s anti-ship ballistic missile systems already have "initial operational capability (IOC)", that is, its operational capability has been available – I think China will recognize this – but China continues to develop its . I guess in the next few years, it will continue in the testing phase.

Q: The Chinese anti-ship missile system already has an initial operational capability?

A: This question, you need to ask the Chinese, but through the development of anti-ship missile system, which in the public confirmed the news and the continued testing of the system, I guess it should be equivalent to an initial operational capability with the U.S. system.

Q: China has improved the targeting missile delivery systems and sensor systems. Then, the integration of the entire system has been completed?

A: to enter the initial combat phase of the system, usually refers to the general pattern in accordance with the system design is completed.

Q: But they have not the actual flight tests, or test the attack moving ships, right?

A: We have not seen the entire system of water testing.

Q: But you think they already have this capability yet?

A: I think the anti-ship ballistic missile development and testing of components has been completed.

Q: For the United States, in China’s anti-intervention / area denial capabilities, this threat even more than the submarine threat?

A: No, I do not think so. Anti-access / area denial capability is a relatively new term, tried to reflect the development of China and the capabilities of other countries. In fact, not only the Chinese have A2/AD capacity. However, for China, this ability by the integrated air defense systems, such as submarines and other advanced marine systems such as ballistic missiles and other advanced anti-ship missile systems, and power projection systems.

Anti-access / area denial, more or less to reach Japan, the Philippines and Vietnam, so many countries in Asia and the Pacific China A2/AD capacity within the coverage area. So, for those countries, the issue of concern. Although a large extent, A2/AD affect their ability to ensure that the waters surrounding China’s military capacity, but this is beyond the ability of growing the first island chain, and with the overlap occurs in many countries in the region. For this reason, this issue deserves attention Southeast Asian countries, worth U.S. concern.

A pair of Willard by Kato Yang interview can be seen, China’s Dongfeng-21D anti-ship ballistic missile is no longer out of reach. Beijing has successfully developed, tested and deployed the world’s first to take advantage of land-based mobile launchers, remote targeting mobile carrier battle groups in the weapons systems. Second Artillery Corps has been in conflict with the use of DF-21D missile’s ability to deal with the U.S. aircraft carrier battle group, therefore, can be expected that the deterrent power of China, there has been increased.

Since the 20 years since the last century, the U.S. Navy has been based on the "carrier-based aircraft carrier air force is the first and last line of defense" concept, to build aircraft carrier battle groups. May bypass the anti-ship ballistic missile Air Force, will remove it from the defense equation. Prior to this, only submarines can provide this capability. In this regard, while China is building a strong surface fleet, but could not carry out effective and advanced anti-submarine warfare, while the United States can – use of carrier-based aircraft. In contrast, for the purposes of any national army, defense missiles, is a very difficult problem.

According to the U.S. Department of Defense report on Chinese military power in 2010, China’s anti-ship ballistic missile is a derivative of DF medium-range ballistic missiles -21. "Missile range of more than 1,500 kilometers, armed with maneuverable warhead, as with the appropriate command and control system integration, the PLA is likely to provide for the attack aircraft carrier cruising in the Western Pacific’s capabilities."

DF-21D anti-ship ballistic missiles may have been deployed to the east coast

Then, "the initial operational capability" exactly mean? According to an authoritative American source, the Department of Defense Dictionary of Military and related terms, "initial operational capability" means the "first to obtain the effective deployment of weapons, equipment or approved the special properties of the system capabilities, but also the equipment by a fully trained training, equipment and support personnel from the armed forces driving or control. "Moreover, the U.S. Defense Acquisition University’s Web site also points out that" when the number of troops and / or organizations in the force structure scheduled to receive access to the system and the capacity to deploy and maintain the the ability of the system, then it will have an initial operational capability. "

However, this still amounted to less than "full operational capability." Although the Department of Defense Dictionary of the term has not yet been given to explain, but the U.S. Defense Acquisition University have "full operational capability," defined as "when all the forces and / or organizations in the force structure scheduled to receive access to the system, and the capacity to deploy and the ability to maintain the system, then have the full operational capability. "

Perhaps most importantly, the "initial operational capability" far beyond the "initial threat capability" of the fuzzy state, which is sometimes used to describe those who although was successfully tested but not deployed system. In 2007, a different description of the missile, the Defense Department official explained: "This is the section to determine when the Chinese leadership needs them, can be obtained and make use of the system. Initial threat capabilities and the ability of the initial line of battle The difference is that we now assess east -31 may not fully integrated into the force structure, may not get all the necessary support personnel / equipment, and we thought they had it fully operational … … The difference is said ready or available for use in the system, now may not be fully operational. "

Common in the U.S. defense body, all the terms mentioned above have a very clear definition and connotation, so the exact system for comparison with the foreign is not a small challenge. Moreover, this is a very difficult question, because if not fully take into account all nuances to misunderstandings may occur. Willard seems to be "initial operational capability" into the appropriate system within the United States, the United States at the same time stressed that it is a special term.

Therefore, China’s Dongfeng-21D anti-ship ballistic missile weapon system may have been fielded combat troops (not testing or training unit), and these forces are capable / certified / eligible to deploy the weapon in the battle system.

In accordance with the U.S. on "Initial operational capability," the standard definition, and there have been several times from China associated with many anti-ship ballistic data, according to the order reached the following conclusions:

Test: China must carry out rigorous testing program to prove that DF-21D anti-ship missile are mature enough to conduct a preliminary to the production, deployment and use level. This may include a variety of flight tests conducted, although so far not been fully integrated in the water.

Production: Today’s "initial operational capability" state strong evidence, the report referred to in fall 2009 completed an east-21D rocket motor factory or some related preparations have occurred.

Forces: China’s military must have received the DF-21D missile. Moreover, these forces have been carrying out the deployment, use and maintenance of which anti-ship ballistic missiles, supporting infrastructure and related systems training. This may be reported in July of this year’s Second Artillery Corps, Shaoguan, Guangdong Province missile brigade of the new things related to construction of the facility.

C4ISR: Although it is a continuous challenge and no doubt will encounter areas for improvement, DF-21D of the command, control, communications, computers, intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (C4ISR) infrastructure must be sufficient to support the basic aircraft carrier battle group (CSG) positioning capacity. In 2009, China’s advanced satellite launched one after another move that Beijing’s concerted efforts to build space-based architecture is to support this initial capacity (though still in the moderate stage.)

Deployment: the deployment of the Second Artillery Corps under the previous model, is expected to better performance, and connected to the DF-21D C4ISR will deploy a large number of different forces, until most of the anti-ship ballistic missiles to deter the PLA that the target level sufficient so far.

Deterrence: the basis of the current capacity is expected that China has been looking through the Dongfeng-21D anti-ship ballistic missile reaches a certain level of deterrence.

Finally, an important caveat – interference. Chinese anti-ship missile with just the initial operational capability, but it does not mean that U.S. and coalition forces should not ignore the effectiveness of interference.

Although the initial operational capability status is an important message, but the Chinese news, official statements and reports in the United States also has a lot of data on anti-ship ballistic missiles. They not only those of Sino-US strategic relations provide a favorable case studies, under the conditions of incomplete information to analyze the staff also very valuable.

DF-21D missile-US strategic relations will enter a new situation

Now, Willard, General view, China’s anti-ship ballistic missile system is feasible, must be considered. This system is not illusory. This is not "baseless" the bluff. The United States can not ignore such a capability.

Now the question is, what China can achieve the operational level? How fast? More broadly, from a strategic point of view, this will result in areas which affect the dynamics of deterrence on the U.S. strategic, operational concepts and force deployment plan and what it means? The Second Artillery is not even their own operations to determine the actual case, the DF-21D’s exact role is. Prior to the actual use, no one to determine whether this anti-ship ballistic missiles to achieve the desired operational results.

In contrast, the basic idea of anti-ship cruise missiles to be effective. China’s anti-ship ballistic missile is consistent with the promotion or publicity is still within the unknown, but essentials have been tested in battle (the war in Frankfurt in 1982, the Royal Navy has had that experience before.) Torpedo, laser-guided bombs and GPS-guided bombs is such a situation.

Meanwhile, anti-ballistic missile system is not independent, which include submarines, strike aircraft, surface ships and other systems, including even part of it. Therefore, even if defective weapons, could be back, still represents another problem facing U.S. forces in the Western Pacific of crisis, we must address this issue.

DF-21D initial operational capability status means that some of the possibilities not previously considered, it must be considered. With anti-ship ballistic missiles, in terms of deterrence, these uncertainties will benefit China. In crisis or combat situations, the U.S. commander must designate the range of DF-21D cycle, and then decide whether to risk sending the aircraft carrier battle groups into the range circle.

Today, more and more confident China is determined to defend its sovereignty and territorial integrity. DF-21D regardless of the actual combat anti-ship ballistic missile capabilities, China-US strategic relations have entered a new dynamic. In the new year approaching, I hope that Beijing and Washington can find a better, more peaceful means to resolve their differences.
看了头大啊…求归纳
归纳起来就是:DF21-D ASBM(反舰弹道导弹)确实存在,且具备初步作战能力。美太平洋战区司令Willard证实中国已在东岸部署有实战能力的DF21D 反舰弹道导弹
..  土鸡
DF21-D的意义就在于它是世界上唯一的ASBM, 美国没有,俄国也没有(有过计划但放弃了)。在现代军事领域中中国在这方面确实取得了世界第一,以至于美国海军学院的教授在谈论应该拷贝中国的ASBM。
从垂发,神盾,到J20,舰载激光、空天飞机。。。一直在追赶,从未能超越  

这句话终于可以过时了啊。
其实对于米帝来说,TG搞的这个东西本身不可怕
米帝害怕的是TG把这种技术卖给绿教.............

另外,说穿了这种攻击性武器是被TG当防御武器使用的
比较合理的用途不是真的拉出来打米帝航妈,检验它是不是真有效
而是在谈判桌上讹对方一下下
波纳 发表于 2011-3-11 14:21

即使ASBM变白菜价扩散给绿教 没有TG的综合信息保障体系 它单独也玩不转啊
这个早就知道了
哈哈!超大还有很多“贵宾”信誓旦旦的说神马弹道反舰是吹NB的,是永远不可能实现的。现在这巴掌打得够响亮!够给力!
隼鹰 发表于 2011-3-11 14:34

TG不会主动向绿教提供这个
但米帝把TG逼急了就要这么干了
这等于向米帝传达一个信息就是GCD和绿教要合作了
米帝只要正常一点都会向TG耍大棒和丢胡萝卜
兔子有胡萝卜吃了就不咬了..............
有弹体没信息支持的DF-21就成大白象喽~

从本质上来讲打航妈的DF-21是TG北斗系统和海事卫星、数据链什么的延伸
TG真正要搞的和倚重的是DDDHM背后的那套信息系统,而不是导弹本身
如果TG能把后者玩转了,没有DDDHM也无所谓
波纳 发表于 2011-3-11 14:51

即使没有ASBM 北斗系统和海事卫星、数据链神马的早晚也是要建的 远洋海军同样需要这些东西

即使没有ASBM 北斗系统和海事卫星、数据链神马的早晚也是要建的 远洋海军同样需要这些东西
隼鹰 发表于 2011-3-11 15:05


所以TG搞的这套DDDHM算是远洋海军的副产品
大家都知道用弹道导弹打航妈是毛子的提案,不过毛子垮掉了,没钱将这个继续下去了
而米帝本身没有这个需要,他每年那么多的军费了,还整天喊穷,没有使用价值的项目都被砍掉了
真金白银的仍下去造出一堆造价高昂的导弹打阿富汗的帐篷还是伊拉克的小舢板呢?

TG首先研制出这个玩意儿有其必然性,因为TG航天口的导弹基础神马的稍微好点,另外也有这个需要
所以时间和资金到位了,出技术成果是应该的
即使没有ASBM 北斗系统和海事卫星、数据链神马的早晚也是要建的 远洋海军同样需要这些东西
隼鹰 发表于 2011-3-11 15:05


所以TG搞的这套DDDHM算是远洋海军的副产品
大家都知道用弹道导弹打航妈是毛子的提案,不过毛子垮掉了,没钱将这个继续下去了
而米帝本身没有这个需要,他每年那么多的军费了,还整天喊穷,没有使用价值的项目都被砍掉了
真金白银的仍下去造出一堆造价高昂的导弹打阿富汗的帐篷还是伊拉克的小舢板呢?

TG首先研制出这个玩意儿有其必然性,因为TG航天口的导弹基础神马的稍微好点,另外也有这个需要
所以时间和资金到位了,出技术成果是应该的
TB有了不对称优势
隼鹰 发表于 2011-3-11 15:05
对头。这都是补历史欠账,不是专门为了“杀大母”而搞的一套体系。
中华词汇一直博大精深
“不对称优势”是其中之一
从逻辑上说敌人有的,我不单有,还比他强,这个称为优势是成立的
但真的到了动刀动枪的那一刻,谁会讲对称或者不对称呢?
人家打我用导弹,难道我不能用导弹打回去,非要用炮弹打回去么?
都是玩综合的一套啊~

不对称优势在综合优势面前
很让人BKC啊
laijianwu 发表于 2011-3-11 14:45


    看来贵宾这个荣誉有向叫兽转进的趋势了
其实现在比较有意思的是,美军官员如果说J20不足为惧远不如F22,这里就是众口一词:你懂个P,  但如果是说中国反舰弹道导弹能作战了,那就马上拿来作为铁证;P
其实美帝官员说的话里也是猜来猜去的,听听就好,事实上美帝那边的相关报告和文章我看到现在,还没见到有任何一篇能讲出来中国的ASBM究竟靠什么来锁定航母的坐标
隼鹰 发表于 2011-3-11 14:34


    赞同,21D如果真有的话,也只是一个体系的终端,21D如果出口,被出口国将被迫加入我们的防御体系,这牵涉到一系列问题~~
猴版的技术已经出去了
白云居士 发表于 2011-3-11 16:51
当然那个说中国好,我们就信那个:D
白云居士 发表于 2011-3-11 16:51

反正只要是有利于HKC的言论,甭管他是美帝、平秃还是茅坑800,尽管拿来,都是绝对可信、不容置疑的:D:D:D
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回复 17# 波纳


    过几年美弟就有需要了……研发对抗tg 的航母!
求翻译[:a1:]
星期一,2010年12月27号
ADM的威拉德:东风21天送达“初始作战能力”(国际奥委会)
当太平洋司令部说,四星级运行它(ADM的威拉德)和一个国家最突出的解放军分析师报告它(安德鲁埃里克森),这将是很难找到两个更好的确认来源。 事实上,它可能无法找到两个更好的确认来源。

自安德鲁埃里克森的精彩博客。


当我们进入兔岁次,中国已经取得了重大军事里程碑远远快于许多外国观察家认为可能的。 指挥官在2010年12月国家安全采访资深记者加藤洋一在朝日新闻社,海军上将罗伯特威拉德楼,美国太平洋司令部,提供大量新的启示:

加藤:让我去给中国的反介入区域封锁(A2AD)功能。 什么是中国的反舰弹道导弹(反舰弹道导弹)的发展现状,以及它是如何接近实际作战部署?

维拉德:反舰弹道导弹系统在中国发生了广泛的测试。 打个比方用西方的任期将“初始作战能力(IOC)”,即它具有-我认为中国会察觉到它,现在的作战能力,但他们继续发展它。 它将继续进行测试,我会想象数年。

问:中国有国际奥委会的?

答:你将要问中国,但是因为我们看到了系统的发展,他们承认在开式压力机报告制度和系统的不断测试,我会揣摩作为对美国的制度,它具有等效取得了国际奥委会。

问:中国已经完善了技术,导弹飞行,也是为目标传感器系统。 具有全系统集成已经完成?

答:通常情况下,有一些会被视为在其早期运作阶段,将要求该系统能够完成其飞行模式的设计,大体上。

问:但是他们并没有进行实际的飞行测试或测试移动船只攻击还,是吧?

答:我们还没有看到对整个系统过水试验。

问:但你相信他们已经有这种能力?

答:我认为反舰弹道导弹的组成部分已开发和测试。

问:是不是一个更大的威胁比对美国潜艇在其接反区域封锁条件是什么?

答:不,我不这么认为。 接反区域封锁,这是一个相对最近杜撰名词,是表示一个企图是整个中国发展的能力范围内,其他国家已制定。

这不完全是中国有什么是现在被称为A2/AD能力。 但在中国的情况下,它是一个综合防空系统的组合,潜艇等先进海军系统,先进的进入该区域,如反舰弹道导弹弹道导弹系统,以及功率投影系统。

反区域封锁系统访问,或多或少,范围的国家,如日本,菲律宾和越南的群岛,所以有在该地区内的这个信封的一个中国A2AD能力,落下许多国家。 这应该是关于和我们所知道的是关于对这些国家。

虽然它可能在很大程度上旨在确保其能影响其区域内的中国水域的军事行动,这是一个扩大的能力,超出了第一岛链和该地区国家的重叠范围。 出于这个原因,它是关于东南亚,(和)仍对美国有关。
安德鲁埃里克森阅读的博客休息。 有没有为东风21天和安德鲁的博客互联网更大的来源是对其他信息,寻找最佳的互联网链接库之一。

五天之前,新的一年,这将成为2010年最重要的海军故事。 尼尔森曾经说过:“船舶的傻瓜,打堡”,但在未来十年美国的海军力量,正在开发和形状,以争取在现代海上反接近,区域封锁(A2AD)防御系统内的防御能力堡垒。 海军一直小心不要形容军备竞赛对中国海军的崛起,但有一个军备竞赛之间正在进行的DF - 21天和神盾作战系统的地方 - 和现在,它会出现的DF - 21天赢了。

我不在乎什么洛克希德马丁说,最新版本的宙斯盾BMD不旨在打败这个武器。 明天的版本将有能力这样做,但不是今天。 宙斯盾BMD仍然在跟踪弹道导弹的发射弹道的基础上,这意味着曾经的DF - 21天的变化中飞行过程中它几乎是一个,无论是从海上发射拦截器将成为脱轨数百英里的确定性。 这是一个问题,可以和正在解决。

再次值得注意的是,美国低估了中国的开发能力和领域的军事制度 - 这是美国一直在过去几年做了很多年 - 现在我们是一打赶上。
还有西海岸吗
看来是真的有啊!哈哈,怎一个爽字了得啊!
zhutou6 发表于 2011-3-11 17:37


    第三个和你是同类{:3_91:}
不认识方言
多谢下面的翻译
回复 12# 隼鹰

不错,这玩意最难的并不是导弹本身,而是信息体系,这可不是一般的国家玩得起的
谨慎的乐观
huangrenjian 发表于 2011-3-11 14:18 舰载激光·还是走在前面了的··
回复 26# zhutou6


果然,白云和zhutou6都出来了。
任何事情走向极端都不好。确实有些人只相信HKC,拒绝BKC。但也不能打击所有人吧?我啥时候说过美国说中国不好的全都是P?
只不过反过来,只相信BKC 而拒绝HKC就客观了?中国的文章就是YY? 啥?美国国防部已经证实了,美国也HKC了?那是夸大其词,是中国威胁论,是骗军费骗银子的!
难道就只有白云说的才是真的?