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First Chinese Stealth Fighter Ready For Takeoff?

Posted by Mark Thompson Monday, December 27, 2010 at 8:29 am

Aviation buffs are buzzing over blurry photographs now surfacing on Chinese military websites purporting to show Beijing's first stealth fighter jet, the Chengdu J-20 fighter. Chinese aviation fans says they have been snapping pics of the jet during recent taxi tests, with a first flight likely still weeks away. It's the best holiday gift Western air power advocates could wish for -- or further evidence of the self-licking ice cream cone nature of defense spending. Most likely, both.

Half the fun of such sightings is trying to determine if they are real, or simply Photoshopped fighters created on computer screens. If you think it may be real, you try to figure out its utility -- and how other air forces might counter it. "Why would China need or want a short-range stealth aircraft?" asks Bill Sweetman of Aviation Week, a pre-eminent new-plane hunter. "Any targets with defenses that call for that capability are a long way from the mainland."

Some observers believe the jet is genuine, and overdue. "China has the money, they have the industrial expertise, they have the scientific base, the drive and motivation and of course the benefit of American research over 30 years acquired by legal or illegal means," one notes. "These enablers give China wide latitude in matching or exceeding American designs that are now 20 years old."
1Stealth fighter or phantom menace it still offers a reminder that a disinterest in science education can over the long haul be fatal to a society. Something to think about next time someone claims that Climate Science is a hoax or that evolution is 'just a theory'.
Paul Dirks
December 27, 2010
at 8:48 am
Log in to Reply 1.1"that a disinterest in science education"
.
Somehow you manage to confuse a "disinterest" in science with an outright failure of the wholly owned subsidiary of the Democratic Party-labor unions. We spend more money on education per student than anyone and yet we rank 23rd in science and 31st in math.
.
These numbers are more reflective as to how "global warming" becomes an accepted theory than how we have a disinterest in science.
.
Speaking of evolution- if survival of the fittest is proven theory why do liberals always interfere with "endangered species" demands? Do you not beleive the theory or is it more liberal arrogance that they have they answer for everything?
freeinpa
December 27, 2010
at 9:13 am 1.2Once again, we disagree less than you might think. Misunderstanding the fact that human activity is no more or less 'natural' than other facets of nature does indeed often lead to confused thinking. But one of the gifts of being human is the ability to extrapolate much further into the future than other creatures. If we can find ways to mitigate long term harm caused by short-term thinking, then it's probably important that we do so.
Paul Dirks
December 27, 2010
at 9:25 am 1.3Hey free, do you get flu shots ever year. Why? If there isn't evolution of the flu virus, then one shot will do you for life. Quit taking them and save the $29 or Medicare paying the bill.

If you have farmer friends, ask them why Round-Up isn't killing all the weeds any more?

Evolution is a naturally and continuing adaption of organisms to meet changing needs. I know that is over your head (neck, armpit?) but only the really stupid disbelieve in Global Warming and Evolution. Even some of the most religious 6000-year old earth believers, have some amazing explanations of how things happen.

The education comment is true-obviously it failed on you and how many years ago was that?

Realize that over 50% of the teachers in the country aren't union and in the south, they are managed with what we call plantation-management style-do a good job and there will be an extra quarter an hour.

And if you don't like unions, did you work Christmas or Saturday or Sunday. If you had the day off, thank the unions or you would still be working 60 hours a week for less than minimal wage. Come on down if you like that since Tyson is always looking for some quarter an hour people and you do have legal status, don't you?
artraveler
December 27, 2010
at 9:33 am 1.4"But one of the gifts of being human is the ability to extrapolate much further into the future than other creatures. If we can find ways to mitigate long term harm caused by short-term thinking, then it's probably important that we do so"
.
The key word is "extrapolate" which is French for guess.
The global warming crowd are now hiding behind the euphemism “climate change”. There are those scientists who fear a return to global cooling as we feared would happen in the 1970s (remember that extrapolation). The sudden drop in sunspots in the summer of 2007 could portend a return to pre-1850 temperature which doesn't fit the meme being pushed for the past 10 years.
.
If there is one thing that should give us pause about the climate models(?) is the snowstorm this past weekend. At 3:52am Sunday morning the weather center warned of 6-8 inches of snow starting at 7am (3 hours) for the Philadelphia area. It began to snow around 12:30pm and we received about 3-4 inches. This is a storm pattern that was followd for days and could not come within 5 1/2 hrs of a start time and off by 50% in accumulation. All based on models. Now we are to believe that these massaged global warming models will be more accurate 30 years out.
.
The left needs another avenue to steal money from this country.
freeinpa
December 27, 2010
at 9:38 am 1.5"Hey free, do you get flu shots ever year. Why? If there isn't evolution of the flu virus, then one shot will do you for life."
.
First that is how humans survive putting it at the top of the food chain. Second, one shot for life would not work. Ever hear of a "booster shot"? Eventually they lose their effectiveness. But what I was speaking to was human intervention in the survival of the fittest. If you believe that to be true (and I do) how can you interfere with the survival of any species by placing it on the endangered species list? Who are you to decide which species lives in the theory of evolution?
.
"but only the really stupid disbelieve in Global Warming"
.
And this is what is passing for debate from the left. Try and silence the opponent. Speaking of stupidity in today's NYT we have an article that now claims we have global warming and the hottest month and decade ever and it is causing (wait for it) record snow and global record low temperatures!
.
Now as a hedge the left has ducked for cover under "global climate change". Back in the 70s we had scientific proof(?) and screamed the sky was falling with global freezing (wrong) , now its global warming.
.
As I said to Mr. Dirks, the left needs to find another way to steal money from the American people.
.
"did you work Christmas"
.
This is logic only a liberal can love. I bet the ACLU was off Christmas even though they sue everybody in sight over using the word Christmas, Christmas Carols or Nativity scenes.
.
"they are managed with what we call plantation-management style-do a good job and there will be an extra quarter an hour."
.
Yes the merit system the scourge of liberals. The highest paid teachers (unions) also have the poorest performing students Check out DC public schools where we also spend the highest amount per student for failure. The teachers union are a roadblock to higher education or to use your vernacular only the stupid believe otherwise.
freeinpa
December 27, 2010
at 9:56 am 1.6"phantom menace"

michaelfury
December 27, 2010
at 10:50 am 1.7"Speaking of evolution- if survival of the fittest is proven theory why do liberals always interfere with "endangered species" demands? Do you not beleive the theory or is it more liberal arrogance that they have they answer for everything?"
.
Only problem is that only fundamentalist totalitarians use it as a reason, rather than a fact. Hitler was a guy (rightie) who thought so anyways.
.
I don't know how anyone can confuse the ability for a species to adapt to new conditions and outright killing of them by another spieces due to the myth of fertility, longer laster erection or simply because it's tasty. That's not exactly evolution. That's extinction.
hippooath
December 27, 2010
at 11:18 am 1.8Freakinpa,
.
First, Global Warming means that the average temperature on the planet is increasing every year while climate change is the effect. It's like HIV is an infection which results in AIDS the disease. Or, more commonly, the rhino virus is the infection while the common cold is the disease.
.
Second, many times of the year it does not snow because the upper atmosphere is below 32 degrees Fahrenheit and can not hold any moisture for the lower atmosphere to turn into snow. That is why Washington DC gets more snow than Antarctica.
.
Third, using your very flawed reasoning, when somebody tells you that Americans are older than ever before but you are in a maternity ward full of newborns that the average age of all of Americans is one day old. It is the median temperature over the whole planet over the whole year. So, just as being in a room full of newborn infants in a maternity ward in Philadelphia does not prove that average age in America is not getting older, cold spells do not prove that the average temperature over the planet over a one year period is not increasin.
.
Keep in mind that these cold days are put into the average and, still, including these cold days with the Southern Hemisphere now in Summer and with our Hemisphere entering Summer six months from now, it averages a higher temperature.
.
Evolution is a basic tenant of biology. Bacteria with the shortest lifespans and using more mutatable RNA rather than DNA evolves the quickest, but, ask your farmer friends about pesticides. One ought to use several different kinds because, by accident of evolution, somewhere between 0.1% and 3% of the insects are each immune to each of the pesticides. If you use, say, three, then it would only be 3% or 3% of 3% of the insects which will survive (27 out of one million) and, for becoming immune, these insects often pay a heavy price in terms of ability to reproduce and thrive.
.
Your alternative theory, I guess, is that one time Episcopalian Seminarian Charles Darwin as well as Roman Catholic Monk, Gregor Mendel followed by tens of thousands of biologists over the next 150 years were closet Satan worshipers is pathetic.
.
Your alternative theory that, at age 19 Al Gore began a 40 year conspiracy to create Global Warming so that he could become a sexy movie star after he divorced is as weak.
.
Some Christian sects have their careers based upon every single word of the bible being the literal, not metaphorical truth and will push hard against science no matter what.
.
Exxon Mobil, among others have all of their investments in incredibly expensive oil wells and oil refineries which will dramatically decrease in value if action to prevent climate change occurs. They will pay any price to hide the truth since the truth will cost them trillions of dollars.
patricksartor
December 27, 2010
at 11:33 am 1.9"for a species to adapt to new conditions and outright killing of them by another spieces"
.
Any idea how many are extinct by being killed by other animals or the Hitlers of the 4 legged world as you have deemed.? Hint: It's more than one. But then liberals think they are god and can interfere as they see fit.
.
Rev Jim: your usual tome of nonsense goes on and on while ignoring the fact that in the 70s, "scientists" and liberals warned us based on their science we were headed for global freezing. Forty years later its global warming. The cause remained the same humans, the goal extract money.
What is more likely to be occurring is a cycle. Problem with most models they become masters of trend line analysis.
.
"Exxon Mobil, among others have all of their investments in incredibly expensive oil wells and oil refineries which will dramatically decrease in value if action to prevent climate change occurs"
.
These were the same bad guys during global freezing. The only truth is liberals hate oil companies and their profits (if they can't confiscate them). And I notice you back filling now with "climate change" vs "global warming" because despite all the "facts" from the left, its not clear so now they are heading for cover.

Others aren't so impressed. "Personally I think it is piloted by sharks and armed with an internally mounted death ray (technology provided by escaped Nazis who the Chinese found on the moon during their yet to be revealed highly secretive moon mission) with wing hard points wired for photon torpedos and Zeus's lightning rods," a second opined. "Oh, it is also a `carrier killer'." That, of course, is a major concern of the U.S. Navy. If war were ever to come between China and the U.S., it would likely be over Taiwan -- and U.S. aircraft carriers would be key to winning that fight. Stay tuned.First Chinese Stealth Fighter Ready For Takeoff?

Posted by Mark Thompson Monday, December 27, 2010 at 8:29 am

Aviation buffs are buzzing over blurry photographs now surfacing on Chinese military websites purporting to show Beijing's first stealth fighter jet, the Chengdu J-20 fighter. Chinese aviation fans says they have been snapping pics of the jet during recent taxi tests, with a first flight likely still weeks away. It's the best holiday gift Western air power advocates could wish for -- or further evidence of the self-licking ice cream cone nature of defense spending. Most likely, both.

Half the fun of such sightings is trying to determine if they are real, or simply Photoshopped fighters created on computer screens. If you think it may be real, you try to figure out its utility -- and how other air forces might counter it. "Why would China need or want a short-range stealth aircraft?" asks Bill Sweetman of Aviation Week, a pre-eminent new-plane hunter. "Any targets with defenses that call for that capability are a long way from the mainland."

Some observers believe the jet is genuine, and overdue. "China has the money, they have the industrial expertise, they have the scientific base, the drive and motivation and of course the benefit of American research over 30 years acquired by legal or illegal means," one notes. "These enablers give China wide latitude in matching or exceeding American designs that are now 20 years old."
1Stealth fighter or phantom menace it still offers a reminder that a disinterest in science education can over the long haul be fatal to a society. Something to think about next time someone claims that Climate Science is a hoax or that evolution is 'just a theory'.
Paul Dirks
December 27, 2010
at 8:48 am
Log in to Reply 1.1"that a disinterest in science education"
.
Somehow you manage to confuse a "disinterest" in science with an outright failure of the wholly owned subsidiary of the Democratic Party-labor unions. We spend more money on education per student than anyone and yet we rank 23rd in science and 31st in math.
.
These numbers are more reflective as to how "global warming" becomes an accepted theory than how we have a disinterest in science.
.
Speaking of evolution- if survival of the fittest is proven theory why do liberals always interfere with "endangered species" demands? Do you not beleive the theory or is it more liberal arrogance that they have they answer for everything?
freeinpa
December 27, 2010
at 9:13 am 1.2Once again, we disagree less than you might think. Misunderstanding the fact that human activity is no more or less 'natural' than other facets of nature does indeed often lead to confused thinking. But one of the gifts of being human is the ability to extrapolate much further into the future than other creatures. If we can find ways to mitigate long term harm caused by short-term thinking, then it's probably important that we do so.
Paul Dirks
December 27, 2010
at 9:25 am 1.3Hey free, do you get flu shots ever year. Why? If there isn't evolution of the flu virus, then one shot will do you for life. Quit taking them and save the $29 or Medicare paying the bill.

If you have farmer friends, ask them why Round-Up isn't killing all the weeds any more?

Evolution is a naturally and continuing adaption of organisms to meet changing needs. I know that is over your head (neck, armpit?) but only the really stupid disbelieve in Global Warming and Evolution. Even some of the most religious 6000-year old earth believers, have some amazing explanations of how things happen.

The education comment is true-obviously it failed on you and how many years ago was that?

Realize that over 50% of the teachers in the country aren't union and in the south, they are managed with what we call plantation-management style-do a good job and there will be an extra quarter an hour.

And if you don't like unions, did you work Christmas or Saturday or Sunday. If you had the day off, thank the unions or you would still be working 60 hours a week for less than minimal wage. Come on down if you like that since Tyson is always looking for some quarter an hour people and you do have legal status, don't you?
artraveler
December 27, 2010
at 9:33 am 1.4"But one of the gifts of being human is the ability to extrapolate much further into the future than other creatures. If we can find ways to mitigate long term harm caused by short-term thinking, then it's probably important that we do so"
.
The key word is "extrapolate" which is French for guess.
The global warming crowd are now hiding behind the euphemism “climate change”. There are those scientists who fear a return to global cooling as we feared would happen in the 1970s (remember that extrapolation). The sudden drop in sunspots in the summer of 2007 could portend a return to pre-1850 temperature which doesn't fit the meme being pushed for the past 10 years.
.
If there is one thing that should give us pause about the climate models(?) is the snowstorm this past weekend. At 3:52am Sunday morning the weather center warned of 6-8 inches of snow starting at 7am (3 hours) for the Philadelphia area. It began to snow around 12:30pm and we received about 3-4 inches. This is a storm pattern that was followd for days and could not come within 5 1/2 hrs of a start time and off by 50% in accumulation. All based on models. Now we are to believe that these massaged global warming models will be more accurate 30 years out.
.
The left needs another avenue to steal money from this country.
freeinpa
December 27, 2010
at 9:38 am 1.5"Hey free, do you get flu shots ever year. Why? If there isn't evolution of the flu virus, then one shot will do you for life."
.
First that is how humans survive putting it at the top of the food chain. Second, one shot for life would not work. Ever hear of a "booster shot"? Eventually they lose their effectiveness. But what I was speaking to was human intervention in the survival of the fittest. If you believe that to be true (and I do) how can you interfere with the survival of any species by placing it on the endangered species list? Who are you to decide which species lives in the theory of evolution?
.
"but only the really stupid disbelieve in Global Warming"
.
And this is what is passing for debate from the left. Try and silence the opponent. Speaking of stupidity in today's NYT we have an article that now claims we have global warming and the hottest month and decade ever and it is causing (wait for it) record snow and global record low temperatures!
.
Now as a hedge the left has ducked for cover under "global climate change". Back in the 70s we had scientific proof(?) and screamed the sky was falling with global freezing (wrong) , now its global warming.
.
As I said to Mr. Dirks, the left needs to find another way to steal money from the American people.
.
"did you work Christmas"
.
This is logic only a liberal can love. I bet the ACLU was off Christmas even though they sue everybody in sight over using the word Christmas, Christmas Carols or Nativity scenes.
.
"they are managed with what we call plantation-management style-do a good job and there will be an extra quarter an hour."
.
Yes the merit system the scourge of liberals. The highest paid teachers (unions) also have the poorest performing students Check out DC public schools where we also spend the highest amount per student for failure. The teachers union are a roadblock to higher education or to use your vernacular only the stupid believe otherwise.
freeinpa
December 27, 2010
at 9:56 am 1.6"phantom menace"

michaelfury
December 27, 2010
at 10:50 am 1.7"Speaking of evolution- if survival of the fittest is proven theory why do liberals always interfere with "endangered species" demands? Do you not beleive the theory or is it more liberal arrogance that they have they answer for everything?"
.
Only problem is that only fundamentalist totalitarians use it as a reason, rather than a fact. Hitler was a guy (rightie) who thought so anyways.
.
I don't know how anyone can confuse the ability for a species to adapt to new conditions and outright killing of them by another spieces due to the myth of fertility, longer laster erection or simply because it's tasty. That's not exactly evolution. That's extinction.
hippooath
December 27, 2010
at 11:18 am 1.8Freakinpa,
.
First, Global Warming means that the average temperature on the planet is increasing every year while climate change is the effect. It's like HIV is an infection which results in AIDS the disease. Or, more commonly, the rhino virus is the infection while the common cold is the disease.
.
Second, many times of the year it does not snow because the upper atmosphere is below 32 degrees Fahrenheit and can not hold any moisture for the lower atmosphere to turn into snow. That is why Washington DC gets more snow than Antarctica.
.
Third, using your very flawed reasoning, when somebody tells you that Americans are older than ever before but you are in a maternity ward full of newborns that the average age of all of Americans is one day old. It is the median temperature over the whole planet over the whole year. So, just as being in a room full of newborn infants in a maternity ward in Philadelphia does not prove that average age in America is not getting older, cold spells do not prove that the average temperature over the planet over a one year period is not increasin.
.
Keep in mind that these cold days are put into the average and, still, including these cold days with the Southern Hemisphere now in Summer and with our Hemisphere entering Summer six months from now, it averages a higher temperature.
.
Evolution is a basic tenant of biology. Bacteria with the shortest lifespans and using more mutatable RNA rather than DNA evolves the quickest, but, ask your farmer friends about pesticides. One ought to use several different kinds because, by accident of evolution, somewhere between 0.1% and 3% of the insects are each immune to each of the pesticides. If you use, say, three, then it would only be 3% or 3% of 3% of the insects which will survive (27 out of one million) and, for becoming immune, these insects often pay a heavy price in terms of ability to reproduce and thrive.
.
Your alternative theory, I guess, is that one time Episcopalian Seminarian Charles Darwin as well as Roman Catholic Monk, Gregor Mendel followed by tens of thousands of biologists over the next 150 years were closet Satan worshipers is pathetic.
.
Your alternative theory that, at age 19 Al Gore began a 40 year conspiracy to create Global Warming so that he could become a sexy movie star after he divorced is as weak.
.
Some Christian sects have their careers based upon every single word of the bible being the literal, not metaphorical truth and will push hard against science no matter what.
.
Exxon Mobil, among others have all of their investments in incredibly expensive oil wells and oil refineries which will dramatically decrease in value if action to prevent climate change occurs. They will pay any price to hide the truth since the truth will cost them trillions of dollars.
patricksartor
December 27, 2010
at 11:33 am 1.9"for a species to adapt to new conditions and outright killing of them by another spieces"
.
Any idea how many are extinct by being killed by other animals or the Hitlers of the 4 legged world as you have deemed.? Hint: It's more than one. But then liberals think they are god and can interfere as they see fit.
.
Rev Jim: your usual tome of nonsense goes on and on while ignoring the fact that in the 70s, "scientists" and liberals warned us based on their science we were headed for global freezing. Forty years later its global warming. The cause remained the same humans, the goal extract money.
What is more likely to be occurring is a cycle. Problem with most models they become masters of trend line analysis.
.
"Exxon Mobil, among others have all of their investments in incredibly expensive oil wells and oil refineries which will dramatically decrease in value if action to prevent climate change occurs"
.
These were the same bad guys during global freezing. The only truth is liberals hate oil companies and their profits (if they can't confiscate them). And I notice you back filling now with "climate change" vs "global warming" because despite all the "facts" from the left, its not clear so now they are heading for cover.

Others aren't so impressed. "Personally I think it is piloted by sharks and armed with an internally mounted death ray (technology provided by escaped Nazis who the Chinese found on the moon during their yet to be revealed highly secretive moon mission) with wing hard points wired for photon torpedos and Zeus's lightning rods," a second opined. "Oh, it is also a `carrier killer'." That, of course, is a major concern of the U.S. Navy. If war were ever to come between China and the U.S., it would likely be over Taiwan -- and U.S. aircraft carriers would be key to winning that fight. Stay tuned.