来自于巴基斯坦的小龙消息!!!!

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11/28/2010

The poster on Pakdef known as Eagle Hannan is a Pakistani engineer who works in Nanjing, China. He speaks both Urdu and Chinese fluently. He is a serious military aviation enthusiast. The city he comes from in China, Nanjing, is also the home of two of the J-10 pilots from the PLAAF that participated in the Zhuhai Air Show, 2010. He stayed at the same hotel as the PAF pilots and had many conversations with them as well as the PLAAF pilots. . Hannan attended all three public holidays and spent all three days with pilots and senior officers. Hannan has managed to collect a large amount of information and media and these have been cleared by senior personnel from the PAF for public release.

下面的是其中部分摘要



Hannan describes the aerobatics display of the JF-17 as brilliant. The JF-17 flew twice every day of the air show. He notes that the weather conditions were very bad and hard to take videos in. He said that the J-10s did not perform particularly well. Hannan comments that in 14 minutes of display there was a single performance of 360 and three half-hearted loops. He observes that the rest of the displays by the J-10 were formation flights. He notes that one of the Sherdil pilots comments about the J-10 pilots in Punjabi that the old men of China cannot fly their own planes.
天气很恶劣,因此视频拍摄不顺利,另外此人对八一老爷的表现很不感冒。。。。。

In comparison, the JF-17s did much better. Hannan describes the Chinese crowd as going “wild” with the Thunder’s repeated tight turns, without a single one off-target from the venue.



In his conversations with the PAF, he has found out the following:


1. JF-17s will not have CFTs (Conformal Fuel Tanks).

发财不会有保形油箱

2. The present batch of JF-17s has certain non-Chinese subsystems.
现在的小龙装备有非中国制系统


3. Air to Air missile tests for both WVR and BVR are complete.

发财的WVR and BVR 测试完成

4. PAF is impressed with the performance of SD-10s and confirms that the missile is comparable to the AMRAAM-Cs.

小巴空军对SD-10很满意

5. An improved SD-10s, designated here as SD-10Bs with improved range, seeker, new motor and better seeker has been tested in China on the FC-1. These missiles are marginally lighter than the first generation and are in the same standard as the best Western BVR AAMs.

The weight of the SD-10Bs still remains slightly greater than the AMRAAM Cs but this is not an issue anymore because the performance is equal or superior. The missiles displayed in Zhuhai were not the new generation SD-10Bs but the earlier model.

PAF order for the SD-10Bs will be fulfilled before PLAAF. Previous models will be upgraded to the new SD-10B standard. [Author’s note: this may suggest that PAF have provided critical input for the SD-10Bs]
SD-10的改进型已经在测试。他的意思是SD-10A吧。。。这个B是怎么来的?


6. PAF will standardize to this SD-10Bs. First 50 will have PL-9Cs as standard WVR missiles.

第一批次50架发财将装备PL-9C

7. A new radar will possibly be used in the Block II JF-17s and the first block will be upgraded. These are likely to be AESA radars with a swash-plate, similar to the Gripen NG.
第二批次的小龙将升级雷达,类似于狮鹰的。。。

8. JF-17 radars are designed to be fully multirole.

JF - 17战机雷达的设计要充分多用途

9. Various new guided munitions are being tested in China. These include SDBs (Small Diameter Bombs) ideal for the light fighter class.
各种新的制导弹药在中国正在测试,包括对轻型战斗机来说理想的小直径炸弹

10. PAF’s second squadron of JF-17s is almost ready and flight trials are earmarked for early next year.

第二个中队的小龙将于明年初开始组建http://www.grandestrategy.com/20 ... ne-from-zhuhai.html

11/28/2010

The poster on Pakdef known as Eagle Hannan is a Pakistani engineer who works in Nanjing, China. He speaks both Urdu and Chinese fluently. He is a serious military aviation enthusiast. The city he comes from in China, Nanjing, is also the home of two of the J-10 pilots from the PLAAF that participated in the Zhuhai Air Show, 2010. He stayed at the same hotel as the PAF pilots and had many conversations with them as well as the PLAAF pilots. . Hannan attended all three public holidays and spent all three days with pilots and senior officers. Hannan has managed to collect a large amount of information and media and these have been cleared by senior personnel from the PAF for public release.

下面的是其中部分摘要



Hannan describes the aerobatics display of the JF-17 as brilliant. The JF-17 flew twice every day of the air show. He notes that the weather conditions were very bad and hard to take videos in. He said that the J-10s did not perform particularly well. Hannan comments that in 14 minutes of display there was a single performance of 360 and three half-hearted loops. He observes that the rest of the displays by the J-10 were formation flights. He notes that one of the Sherdil pilots comments about the J-10 pilots in Punjabi that the old men of China cannot fly their own planes.
天气很恶劣,因此视频拍摄不顺利,另外此人对八一老爷的表现很不感冒。。。。。

In comparison, the JF-17s did much better. Hannan describes the Chinese crowd as going “wild” with the Thunder’s repeated tight turns, without a single one off-target from the venue.



In his conversations with the PAF, he has found out the following:


1. JF-17s will not have CFTs (Conformal Fuel Tanks).

发财不会有保形油箱

2. The present batch of JF-17s has certain non-Chinese subsystems.
现在的小龙装备有非中国制系统


3. Air to Air missile tests for both WVR and BVR are complete.

发财的WVR and BVR 测试完成

4. PAF is impressed with the performance of SD-10s and confirms that the missile is comparable to the AMRAAM-Cs.

小巴空军对SD-10很满意

5. An improved SD-10s, designated here as SD-10Bs with improved range, seeker, new motor and better seeker has been tested in China on the FC-1. These missiles are marginally lighter than the first generation and are in the same standard as the best Western BVR AAMs.

The weight of the SD-10Bs still remains slightly greater than the AMRAAM Cs but this is not an issue anymore because the performance is equal or superior. The missiles displayed in Zhuhai were not the new generation SD-10Bs but the earlier model.

PAF order for the SD-10Bs will be fulfilled before PLAAF. Previous models will be upgraded to the new SD-10B standard. [Author’s note: this may suggest that PAF have provided critical input for the SD-10Bs]
SD-10的改进型已经在测试。他的意思是SD-10A吧。。。这个B是怎么来的?


6. PAF will standardize to this SD-10Bs. First 50 will have PL-9Cs as standard WVR missiles.

第一批次50架发财将装备PL-9C

7. A new radar will possibly be used in the Block II JF-17s and the first block will be upgraded. These are likely to be AESA radars with a swash-plate, similar to the Gripen NG.
第二批次的小龙将升级雷达,类似于狮鹰的。。。

8. JF-17 radars are designed to be fully multirole.

JF - 17战机雷达的设计要充分多用途

9. Various new guided munitions are being tested in China. These include SDBs (Small Diameter Bombs) ideal for the light fighter class.
各种新的制导弹药在中国正在测试,包括对轻型战斗机来说理想的小直径炸弹

10. PAF’s second squadron of JF-17s is almost ready and flight trials are earmarked for early next year.

第二个中队的小龙将于明年初开始组建


11. China is confirmed (yet again and without any doubt whatsoever) to buy the FC-1s. Consequently, production is being expanded in Pakistan’s production facilities, Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC), to meet the demand. These facilities are located in Kamra.

中国证实(再次,没有任何疑问)将购买FC - 1。 因此,正在扩大在巴基斯坦Kamra的生产设施,巴基斯坦航空综合大楼(委员会),以满足需求。

我不明白这个跟巴基斯坦扩大生产设施有什么关系?


12. Close cooperation on the J-10B is taking place. The level of cooperation has been significantly expanded since 2009. The size of the cooperation is described as literally a small city-like facility to accommodate PAF and Pakistani civilian engineers. Hannan confirmed that civilian engineers from PAC are also part of the cooperation in China.

关于J10B合作的在深化,比较特别的民用发动机合作也是其中一部分。。。

我们还有余力跟小巴合作民用发动机?我们自己都没搞定


13. The J-10B will have Chinese radar and western subsystems will allow it to be integrated with Erieye and Chinese AWACS. This is not an assumption and Eagle Hannan, who is a telecom engineer himself, confirms that this is not a technical problem and reconfirms from PAF. There is no problem as long as the protocol messages and handshake procedures are known. He found out that PAF has a solution in terms of the middleware.
中西方预警系统能融合。。。
这个也不是什么新闻了



14. The middleware will not only be via a C4I but also direct communication middleware. Some of these are being developed in-house and some are being imported.



15. Whether JF-17s can data link with Erieye has not been confirmed due to diplomatic/political reasons. However, Hannan notes that from his discussions, it is implicitly obvious that they definitely can.
关于小龙和Erieye连接的问题,从侧面再次证实没问题

16. IFR (In-Flight Refueling) will be installed in later batches. These will be fixed IFRs and not retractable. [Author’s note: radar signature and aerodynamics penalty paid for simplicity of construction, cost and maintenance]. The JF-17s were designed from the ground-up to have IFRs installed.

后面批次的小龙会安装加油装置,不过是IFR式的

17. Next block of JF-17s will have IRST (Infra-Red Search & Track) similar to those installed on the J-10B.

下一个批次的小龙装装备类似于J10B装备的IRST ,这个。。。

18. Pakistani ALCM Raad and H2/H4 ASM will be integrated and was a major reason why Pakistan has chosen to go with Chinese radars for Block 2 JF-17s.
巴基斯坦跟中国合作下一个批次发财雷达压制的一个很重要原因是,小巴的ALCM Raad and H2/H4 ASM 将被整合进去

19. Advanced composites have been tested for use on the Block 2 JF-17s. Present JF-17s also use some composites. J-10B/FC-20 is designed from inception from new advanced composites. FC-20s in PAF service will form the top tier in the PAF (above the F-16 Block 52+).
下一个批次的发财将增加复合材料,后面关于10B和16的比较由于太红了,看看就好

20. PAF denied any collaboration in Chinese 5th generation fighter program as this is a capability they are not familiar with. PAF senior officials stated that

巴空军高级官员否认了跟中国合作第5代战机的项目

11. China is confirmed (yet again and without any doubt whatsoever) to buy the FC-1s. Consequently, production is being expanded in Pakistan’s production facilities, Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC), to meet the demand. These facilities are located in Kamra.

中国证实(再次,没有任何疑问)将购买FC - 1。 因此,正在扩大在巴基斯坦Kamra的生产设施,巴基斯坦航空综合大楼(委员会),以满足需求。

我不明白这个跟巴基斯坦扩大生产设施有什么关系?


12. Close cooperation on the J-10B is taking place. The level of cooperation has been significantly expanded since 2009. The size of the cooperation is described as literally a small city-like facility to accommodate PAF and Pakistani civilian engineers. Hannan confirmed that civilian engineers from PAC are also part of the cooperation in China.

关于J10B合作的在深化,比较特别的民用发动机合作也是其中一部分。。。

我们还有余力跟小巴合作民用发动机?我们自己都没搞定


13. The J-10B will have Chinese radar and western subsystems will allow it to be integrated with Erieye and Chinese AWACS. This is not an assumption and Eagle Hannan, who is a telecom engineer himself, confirms that this is not a technical problem and reconfirms from PAF. There is no problem as long as the protocol messages and handshake procedures are known. He found out that PAF has a solution in terms of the middleware.
中西方预警系统能融合。。。
这个也不是什么新闻了



14. The middleware will not only be via a C4I but also direct communication middleware. Some of these are being developed in-house and some are being imported.



15. Whether JF-17s can data link with Erieye has not been confirmed due to diplomatic/political reasons. However, Hannan notes that from his discussions, it is implicitly obvious that they definitely can.
关于小龙和Erieye连接的问题,从侧面再次证实没问题

16. IFR (In-Flight Refueling) will be installed in later batches. These will be fixed IFRs and not retractable. [Author’s note: radar signature and aerodynamics penalty paid for simplicity of construction, cost and maintenance]. The JF-17s were designed from the ground-up to have IFRs installed.

后面批次的小龙会安装加油装置,不过是IFR式的

17. Next block of JF-17s will have IRST (Infra-Red Search & Track) similar to those installed on the J-10B.

下一个批次的小龙装装备类似于J10B装备的IRST ,这个。。。

18. Pakistani ALCM Raad and H2/H4 ASM will be integrated and was a major reason why Pakistan has chosen to go with Chinese radars for Block 2 JF-17s.
巴基斯坦跟中国合作下一个批次发财雷达压制的一个很重要原因是,小巴的ALCM Raad and H2/H4 ASM 将被整合进去

19. Advanced composites have been tested for use on the Block 2 JF-17s. Present JF-17s also use some composites. J-10B/FC-20 is designed from inception from new advanced composites. FC-20s in PAF service will form the top tier in the PAF (above the F-16 Block 52+).
下一个批次的发财将增加复合材料,后面关于10B和16的比较由于太红了,看看就好

20. PAF denied any collaboration in Chinese 5th generation fighter program as this is a capability they are not familiar with. PAF senior officials stated that

巴空军高级官员否认了跟中国合作第5代战机的项目
站位
不是说所有系统都是TG的吗{:yi:}


晕~~!是有些非TG的系统!

晕~~!是有些非TG的系统!
请问楼主这是何方消息?当初发财没有测试完,怎么就服役了?巴弟的第一个中队形成战斗力了吗?没有关于国产引擎和发动机增推的信息?
gnome2130 发表于 2010-11-29 19:48


    晕死。人家第2个中队都在筹组了。。
10B叫 FC-20s?
楼主受累了,不过裤衩H了一把啊,谢谢。
国内装备一些有很多好处,其中一个就是促进泰山发动机的正式投产。
按巴人的说法意思是中国要装备的FC1是在巴基斯坦生产。我还是认为中国不大可能装备。
14364310 发表于 2010-11-29 19:37


    SD-10BS。。不会是双模导引头的型号吧。。S代表双吗?
黄金分割 发表于 2010-11-29 20:09


    好像有这么说的
看起来很有意思……是不是基本上小巴会的功能,我们都能从中受益啊
泰山不知道试飞得怎么样了
14364310 发表于 2010-11-29 19:38


    ALCM Raad and H2/H4 ASM 是虾米,,求科普

11/28/2010

The poster on Pakdef known as Eagle Hannan is a Pakistani engineer who works in Na ...
14364310 发表于 2010-11-29 19:37



    现在的小龙装备有非中国制系统 貌似说的是电子对抗吊舱吗?这玩意说是香水国的?图中后面那个吊舱、、、
11/28/2010

The poster on Pakdef known as Eagle Hannan is a Pakistani engineer who works in Na ...
14364310 发表于 2010-11-29 19:37



    现在的小龙装备有非中国制系统 貌似说的是电子对抗吊舱吗?这玩意说是香水国的?图中后面那个吊舱、、、
回复 2# 14364310

老兄过虑了,civilian engineers意指来自民间的工程师,而不是指民用发动机。

全文传闻较多,不用深信。
发动机没提,最大的痛!
回复 5# xzenigma


    当然了,发动机就不是
感觉可信度不是非常高
疯狂的伊万伊万 发表于 2010-11-29 20:26

Hafr - 2

HAFR-2.jpg

Hafr.jpg
Erieye 是爱立眼吧
小巴就是我们的试验田。。。
哪里的消息啊
小巴一直担心老美在石榴上留了后门
关键时候就死翘翘了
7. A new radar will possibly be used in the Block II JF-17s and the first block will be upgraded. These are likely to be AESA radars with a swash-plate, similar to the Gripen NG.
17. Next block of JF-17s will have IRST (Infra-Red Search & Track) similar to those installed on the J-10B.
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[:a3:]小巴那么有钱?
14364310 发表于 2010-11-29 19:38
这是什么东西? 还提到JF17/FC1 block2还会装备中国雷达, 看来这个东西的整合对巴方很重要.
据说PAF用的是俺国KG3000G电子干扰吊舱
翻译一下吗!
不专业!
H2/H4 ASM
原来的是南非肯特公司研制的电视制导滑翔炸弹,射程在60公里左右,有数据链,可以支持发射后锁定模式,H4是增加了火箭发动机的型号,最大射程增加到120公里。
双方还研制了一型隐身防区外弹药撒布系统,估计也会整合到JF-17上面去。
RAF 发表于 2010-11-29 21:42

巡航导弹 :ALCM

Ra'ad (乌尔都语: رعد ) (Ra'ad是阿拉伯词意思 雷)

“雷”巡航导弹。。。

我发现巴基斯坦什么东西都喜欢用雷电来命名
RAF 发表于 2010-11-29 21:42

ALCM Raad

弹头 常规和核

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引擎 扇涡轮 并且坚实燃料助推器


范围 350公里或220 mi
速度 高亚声
教导
系统 TERCOM, GPS, DSMAC,

发射
平台 测试举办从 海市蜃楼III ROSE-I

这个巡航导弹本来只有幻影3可以打,现在准备想发财也能发射它
唯物 发表于 2010-11-29 21:53


    不好意思,我水平有限。。。。
小飞猪 发表于 2010-11-29 21:56


    按本文的意思,那这个首批的50架发财是没有能力发射H2/H4的?
. A new radar will possibly be used in the Block II JF-17s and the first block will be upgraded. These are likely to be AESA radars with a swash-plate, similar to the Gripen NG.
啊,JF-17也要装AESA,电力系统可要大改冽
V5的消息啊!看来巴铁对于小龙很感冒啊!
要买巴基斯坦造的飞机?杯具
买小龙,巴是不是收一半钱所以现在都不买