99M1的大脑是FADEC吗？

    备份或者数模转换用的吧

双通道数字式的FADEC

这个KRD-99C是FADEC吗？怎么在总共66个输出信号中，还有17个模拟信号？
SSJ100 发表于 2010-10-7 11:11

    备份或者数模转换用的吧

双通道数字式的FADEC

SSJ100 发表于 2010-10-7 11:11


    http://www.salut.ru/ViewTopic.php?Id=625

这个才是FADEC的全套系统。

双通道数字式的


ACS 235S is full authority electronic-hydraulic control system. It is intended for fuel supply and automatic control of the engine at all modes according to required control algorithms, monitoring and diagnostics of engine and its systems technical condition, and also for processing and transfer of the information to aircraft and ground maintenance systems.

The control system contains two main channels and independent backup control channel.

235S is mounted on new modification of AL-31F gas turbine engine and consists of the following units:

electronic digital two channel control unit - ECU-235S;
metering pump unit - ND-235S;
actuator control unit - BUM 235S;
afterburner pump - FN 235S;
piston pump - PN 235S;
afterburner metering unit - DF 235S;
afterburner fuel distributor - RTF 235S;
piston pump control unit - AUPN 235S;
limit pressure valve - КP 235S.

双通道数字式的


ACS 235S is full authority electronic-hydraulic control system. It is intended for fuel supply and automatic control of the engine at all modes according to required control algorithms, monitoring and diagnostics of engine and its systems technical condition, and also for processing and transfer of the information to aircraft and ground maintenance systems.

The control system contains two main channels and independent backup control channel.

235S is mounted on new modification of AL-31F gas turbine engine and consists of the following units:

electronic digital two channel control unit - ECU-235S;
metering pump unit - ND-235S;
actuator control unit - BUM 235S;
afterburner pump - FN 235S;
piston pump - PN 235S;
afterburner metering unit - DF 235S;
afterburner fuel distributor - RTF 235S;
piston pump control unit - AUPN 235S;
limit pressure valve - КP 235S.

http://www.salut.ru/ViewTopic.php?Id=626


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谁说TVC没有整合进飞控的？;P


萨留特的99M1上测试的TVC 看来是和发动机一起构成飞-火-推一体化的了。


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ACS JN with TVCU - Electronic hydraulic system of automatic control and diagnostic is intended for full foreshortening control of deviation direction of thrust vector, control of nozzle cross section area at nozzle axial position, control and diagnostic of JN with TVCU technical condition, generation and transmission of information signals to aircraft and ground maintenance systems, control of system serviceability before and during flight.

Electronic unit of the system contains two independent power supply circuits.

The system provides high aircraft control performance, large volume of control functions, high reliability, minimal volume of maintenance and low cost of life cycle.

ACS JN with TVCU is mounted on new modification of AL-31F gas turbine engine and includes the following units:

Electronic digital two-channel thrust vector and nozzle cross section area control unit;
Hydraulic actuator GP 235S –3 units;
Hydraulic actuator control unit AUGP 235S-1;
Hydraulic actuator control unit AUGP 235S-2;
Hydraulic actuator control unit AUGP 235S-3.

http://www.salut.ru/ViewTopic.php?Id=626


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谁说TVC没有整合进飞控的？;P


萨留特的99M1上测试的TVC 看来是和发动机一起构成飞-火-推一体化的了。


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ACS JN with TVCU - Electronic hydraulic system of automatic control and diagnostic is intended for full foreshortening control of deviation direction of thrust vector, control of nozzle cross section area at nozzle axial position, control and diagnostic of JN with TVCU technical condition, generation and transmission of information signals to aircraft and ground maintenance systems, control of system serviceability before and during flight.

Electronic unit of the system contains two independent power supply circuits.

The system provides high aircraft control performance, large volume of control functions, high reliability, minimal volume of maintenance and low cost of life cycle.

ACS JN with TVCU is mounted on new modification of AL-31F gas turbine engine and includes the following units:

Electronic digital two-channel thrust vector and nozzle cross section area control unit;
Hydraulic actuator GP 235S –3 units;
Hydraulic actuator control unit AUGP 235S-1;
Hydraulic actuator control unit AUGP 235S-2;
Hydraulic actuator control unit AUGP 235S-3.

回复 4# JSTCVW09CD
ACS-235S有装机对象了吗，只是处在地面测试阶段吧？

SSJ100 发表于 2010-10-7 13:41


    99M1就是235系列的。

没有液压备份的。

КРД-99Ц算是模拟综合电调（КРД-99Б）的数字化升级版，并不是全功能数控。
国内614和5719也干过类似的活...


КРД-99Ц算是模拟综合电调（КРД-99Б）的数字化升级版，并不是全功能数控。
国内614和5719也干过类似的活...

SSJ100 发表于 2010-10-7 13:41

САУ-235С全权限数控是毛国附件设计局为31配套研制的，但目前尚未应用于АЛ-31Ф-М1...

回复 8# aliasmaya
国内厂子的改进结果如何，已经用到生产的TH中了嘛？

SSJ100 发表于 2010-10-7 22:46

某型涡扇、川西、5719...

就是用的ACS-235S。MRC-99TS,

双通道数字式，没有液压备份的FADEC。


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另外换了LPC, 转子换了新材料，T4温度提了25K。


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САУ-235С全权限数控是毛国附件设计局为31配套研制的，但目前尚未应用于АЛ-31Ф-М1...
aliasmaya 发表于 2010-10-7 22:36

就是用的ACS-235S。MRC-99TS,

双通道数字式，没有液压备份的FADEC。


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另外换了LPC, 转子换了新材料，T4温度提了25K。


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SSJ100 发表于 2010-10-7 13:41


    参照12楼。

应用了就好

另外说一下，99M1的设计寿命原来为4000/1000.

2006年的endurance testing 定的是2000/1000.

按照某一俄罗斯专业文献的说法是降到31F的推力使用， 寿命比2000h要长.............

另外说一下，99M1的设计寿命原来为4000/1000.

2006年的endurance testing 定的是2000/1000.

按照某一俄罗斯专业文献的说法是降到31F的推力使用， 寿命比2000h要长.............

электронно-цифровой САУ-235С типа FADEC с полной ответственностью.

实际上这个消息只是说M2使用哪个FADEC的情况，并没有排他性啊。也没说从M2开始使用（M1没有用）


http://www.salut.ru/Section.php?SectionId=18

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采用FADEC也是官网的对于99M1的产品介绍说明。

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印象中这是04年发动机展上的说法，这段文字大概源于двигатель吧。
不过后来实际情况是新机并 ...
aliasmaya 发表于 2010-10-8 09:33

实际上这个消息只是说M2使用哪个FADEC的情况，并没有排他性啊。也没说从M2开始使用（M1没有用）


http://www.salut.ru/Section.php?SectionId=18

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采用FADEC也是官网的对于99M1的产品介绍说明。

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06/04期《起飞》——“«Салют» вооружает китайские ВВС и не теряет надежду на признание в своем отечестве”：
99М1安装的是КРД99Ц

Изд.99М1定型样机的外观就很清楚了，还没有安装САУ-235С系统，图中显示仍为传统的加力-喷口调节器、分配器...

这是安装FADEC的模型局部（新的加力计量装置ДФ-235С、分配器РТФ-235С等）


06/04期《起飞》——“«Салют» вооружает китайские ВВС и не теряет надежду на признание в своем отечестве”：
99М1安装的是КРД99Ц

Изд.99М1定型样机的外观就很清楚了，还没有安装САУ-235С系统，图中显示仍为传统的加力-喷口调节器、分配器...

这是安装FADEC的模型局部（新的加力计量装置ДФ-235С、分配器РТФ-235С等）

配上TVC的数字化控制模块ACS JN 。

还是很有诱惑力的。

TVC直接完全整合进飞控。

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照这么看，毛子的99M系列还是不错的。

不管如何， 采用FADEC是肯定的。

你确定？实在能用才是关键。毛子态度在很太程度上把电调当备份。别高估毛子。尽管是老师

ttbbttbb 发表于 2010-10-8 20:31


    参12楼和17楼的官方声明，特别是17楼现在萨留特的官方网页.......上面说的是FADEC啊。

回复 18# aliasmaya
我一直没搞明白99M1和已经服役的31FM1（42批次）是什么关系？117S和RD33MK都是FADEC了吧？另外礼炮厂的最新批次就是42批次吗？记得好像有48批次？

回复 18# aliasmaya
我一直没搞明白99M1和已经服役的31FM1（42批次）是什么关系？117S和RD33MK都是FADEC了吧？另外礼炮厂的最新批次就是42批次吗？记得好像有48批次？

SSJ100 发表于 2010-10-9 12:57


    一个是研发代号，一个是产品命名代号

这东西对于小白兔来说，又引进的希望吗？

SU27SM1不是用上了?