超级军网身中二十三枪而不死啊！！！
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据香港《文汇报》网站10日报道，美国纽约曼哈顿巿当地时间周日(8月8日)凌晨发生打斗，触发枪战。警方称，一名持枪者杀人后与警方交火，双方共开了50枪。枪手身中23枪，竟奇迹不死。事件中，参与打斗的2名男子1死1伤，另有6人受伤，包括2名警员。
据报道，事发于一个公园，当时正举行小区烧烤派对，两名男子据信因争风吃醋发生打斗，并打到街上。当地时间约凌晨3时后，枪战发生，参加烧烤派对的人员吓得逃跑，纷纷寻找掩护躲避。
警方透露，1名23岁的男子阿尔瓦雷茨枪杀了1名22岁的男子索托后，向5名赶来的警员开火。警方与枪手交火，导致6人受伤。其中1名36岁的纽约巿警局便衣探员特德斯奇被同僚发射的流弹误击中左胸，所幸捡回一条性命，没有死亡；另1名警员手部擦伤。余下4名受伤平民据信是路人，暂未知流弹由哪一方发射。
警方开46枪 开枪前未发出警告
警方在与嫌犯交火期间，共发射了46发子弹，阿尔瓦雷茨则用他的左轮手枪开了4枪。家人和律师称，阿尔瓦雷茨的胸、腹、双臂、双腿和下巴共中了23枪之多，但所幸没有击中心脏和大动脉，令他奇迹不死。
多名目击者表示，阿尔瓦雷茨身上并无武器，他与索托打斗时，警方未先警告便向他们开枪。验尸报告指出，索托身中6枪，似乎亦证实了目击者的说法。据香港《文汇报》网站10日报道，美国纽约曼哈顿巿当地时间周日(8月8日)凌晨发生打斗，触发枪战。警方称，一名持枪者杀人后与警方交火，双方共开了50枪。枪手身中23枪，竟奇迹不死。事件中，参与打斗的2名男子1死1伤，另有6人受伤，包括2名警员。
据报道，事发于一个公园，当时正举行小区烧烤派对，两名男子据信因争风吃醋发生打斗，并打到街上。当地时间约凌晨3时后，枪战发生，参加烧烤派对的人员吓得逃跑，纷纷寻找掩护躲避。
警方透露，1名23岁的男子阿尔瓦雷茨枪杀了1名22岁的男子索托后，向5名赶来的警员开火。警方与枪手交火，导致6人受伤。其中1名36岁的纽约巿警局便衣探员特德斯奇被同僚发射的流弹误击中左胸，所幸捡回一条性命，没有死亡；另1名警员手部擦伤。余下4名受伤平民据信是路人，暂未知流弹由哪一方发射。
警方开46枪 开枪前未发出警告
警方在与嫌犯交火期间，共发射了46发子弹，阿尔瓦雷茨则用他的左轮手枪开了4枪。家人和律师称，阿尔瓦雷茨的胸、腹、双臂、双腿和下巴共中了23枪之多，但所幸没有击中心脏和大动脉，令他奇迹不死。
多名目击者表示，阿尔瓦雷茨身上并无武器，他与索托打斗时，警方未先警告便向他们开枪。验尸报告指出，索托身中6枪，似乎亦证实了目击者的说法。
据报道，事发于一个公园，当时正举行小区烧烤派对，两名男子据信因争风吃醋发生打斗，并打到街上。当地时间约凌晨3时后，枪战发生，参加烧烤派对的人员吓得逃跑，纷纷寻找掩护躲避。
警方透露，1名23岁的男子阿尔瓦雷茨枪杀了1名22岁的男子索托后，向5名赶来的警员开火。警方与枪手交火，导致6人受伤。其中1名36岁的纽约巿警局便衣探员特德斯奇被同僚发射的流弹误击中左胸，所幸捡回一条性命，没有死亡；另1名警员手部擦伤。余下4名受伤平民据信是路人，暂未知流弹由哪一方发射。
警方开46枪 开枪前未发出警告
警方在与嫌犯交火期间，共发射了46发子弹，阿尔瓦雷茨则用他的左轮手枪开了4枪。家人和律师称，阿尔瓦雷茨的胸、腹、双臂、双腿和下巴共中了23枪之多，但所幸没有击中心脏和大动脉，令他奇迹不死。
多名目击者表示，阿尔瓦雷茨身上并无武器，他与索托打斗时，警方未先警告便向他们开枪。验尸报告指出，索托身中6枪，似乎亦证实了目击者的说法。据香港《文汇报》网站10日报道，美国纽约曼哈顿巿当地时间周日(8月8日)凌晨发生打斗，触发枪战。警方称，一名持枪者杀人后与警方交火，双方共开了50枪。枪手身中23枪，竟奇迹不死。事件中，参与打斗的2名男子1死1伤，另有6人受伤，包括2名警员。
据报道，事发于一个公园，当时正举行小区烧烤派对，两名男子据信因争风吃醋发生打斗，并打到街上。当地时间约凌晨3时后，枪战发生，参加烧烤派对的人员吓得逃跑，纷纷寻找掩护躲避。
警方透露，1名23岁的男子阿尔瓦雷茨枪杀了1名22岁的男子索托后，向5名赶来的警员开火。警方与枪手交火，导致6人受伤。其中1名36岁的纽约巿警局便衣探员特德斯奇被同僚发射的流弹误击中左胸，所幸捡回一条性命，没有死亡；另1名警员手部擦伤。余下4名受伤平民据信是路人，暂未知流弹由哪一方发射。
警方开46枪 开枪前未发出警告
警方在与嫌犯交火期间，共发射了46发子弹，阿尔瓦雷茨则用他的左轮手枪开了4枪。家人和律师称，阿尔瓦雷茨的胸、腹、双臂、双腿和下巴共中了23枪之多，但所幸没有击中心脏和大动脉，令他奇迹不死。
多名目击者表示，阿尔瓦雷茨身上并无武器，他与索托打斗时，警方未先警告便向他们开枪。验尸报告指出，索托身中6枪，似乎亦证实了目击者的说法。
风雷厉行，美国条子够果断，那个凶手拿的是左轮，估计一气之下拿出来全部打完，警察过来直接向他打了46枪，连路人一起干了，还把自己人打伤了 = =
风雷厉行，美国条子够果断，那个凶手拿的是左轮，估计一气之下拿出来全部打完，警察过来直接向他打了46枪，连路人一起干了，还把自己人打伤了 = =
这枪法和准头实在是太厉害了
所以说，停止作用的最重要部分=弹着点 (shot placement)。。。
阿尔瓦雷茨则用他的左轮手枪开了4枪
多名目击者表示，阿尔瓦雷茨身上并无武器
？？最后一句 在暗示 所有的伤亡都是警察干的？？
多名目击者表示，阿尔瓦雷茨身上并无武器
？？最后一句 在暗示 所有的伤亡都是警察干的？？
这哥们黑人吧，人高马大肌肉抗子弹，牛！
杀之 发表于 2010-8-10 12:51 
该庆幸的是那个中了23枪的家伙在“黄金十分钟”内就得到有效救治，否则，大神也救不了他了。光是流血就够要他的命了。
该庆幸的是那个中了23枪的家伙在“黄金十分钟”内就得到有效救治，否则，大神也救不了他了。光是流血就够要他的命了。
在美国吵架是高风险。。。。谁也不敢保证对方会不会情绪失控掏一支枪出来。。。
FFFEI 发表于 2010-8-10 00:46
要真是像您说的，美国不比伊拉克阿富汗安全多少。 每年也不会有那么多的大陆留学生千方百计搞绿卡办移民，一下子办不了移民的，就把老婆接美国来生孩子。 孩子生在美国了，就有了根据地了。。。
准确说，大街上很少看见有人大声吵架或喧哗。 俺在这边21年，碰见过三次龙卷风。 亲眼看见大街上吵架的，比三次还少。。。
要真是像您说的，美国不比伊拉克阿富汗安全多少。 每年也不会有那么多的大陆留学生千方百计搞绿卡办移民，一下子办不了移民的，就把老婆接美国来生孩子。 孩子生在美国了，就有了根据地了。。。
准确说，大街上很少看见有人大声吵架或喧哗。 俺在这边21年，碰见过三次龙卷风。 亲眼看见大街上吵架的，比三次还少。。。
腹、双臂、双腿和下巴共中了23枪之多，但所幸没有击中心脏和大动脉，令他奇迹不死。”
最有效果的部位———胸腔，实际上可能在这23枪中根本就没摊上几发。
最有效果的部位———胸腔，实际上可能在这23枪中根本就没摊上几发。
双筒 发表于 2010-8-10 13:56
因为风险高，所以双方都更克制，这叫恐怖平衡。。。就像没有原子弹的时候打得热火朝天，有了原子弹反而打不起来
因为风险高，所以双方都更克制，这叫恐怖平衡。。。就像没有原子弹的时候打得热火朝天，有了原子弹反而打不起来
FFFEI 发表于 2010-8-10 13:46
不错了,要是俺们天朝的枪械管制和老米一样,早就满大街开战,直接回到70年代到处武斗的社会状态了了~~~~
不错了,要是俺们天朝的枪械管制和老米一样,早就满大街开战,直接回到70年代到处武斗的社会状态了了~~~~
blueblood2 发表于 2010-8-10 14:03
不一定的。理论见偶11楼说的。。。不过总有控制不住自已情绪的人和事，鉴于土鳖的人口密度和素质，美帝每年平均3万多死在抢击案下，放在土鳖国起码30万
不一定的。理论见偶11楼说的。。。不过总有控制不住自已情绪的人和事，鉴于土鳖的人口密度和素质，美帝每年平均3万多死在抢击案下，放在土鳖国起码30万
FFFEI 发表于 2010-8-10 14:08
这么说来,咱和您的观点没啥出入啊??
这么说来,咱和您的观点没啥出入啊??
双筒 发表于 2010-8-10 13:56
所以说吵架风险太高，大家都不敢吵架了，哈哈
调侃一下，不要在意
所以说吵架风险太高，大家都不敢吵架了，哈哈
调侃一下，不要在意
FFFEI 发表于 2010-8-10 01:02
有这种可能，但不是全部。 生活在美国跟中国没什么区别(就枪这个物件来说)。 平常生活中没人想枪，没人提到枪，也没人担心谁会一句话不合就拔枪相向。 俺玩枪不过是8年前开始的。 在那之前俺见过的枪都是在美国人家里，自己从来也没觉得，没有这玩艺儿俺比别人少了多少安全系数。 枪在我们有枪玩枪的人是很重要的一部分，对很多其他美国人来说，无关痛痒也无所谓支持或反对。 枪案多了可能会去投民主党一票，以为禁枪就好了。 但如果自己是受害者，案发后觉醒买枪自卫的，也可能去投共和党了。。。
有这种可能，但不是全部。 生活在美国跟中国没什么区别(就枪这个物件来说)。 平常生活中没人想枪，没人提到枪，也没人担心谁会一句话不合就拔枪相向。 俺玩枪不过是8年前开始的。 在那之前俺见过的枪都是在美国人家里，自己从来也没觉得，没有这玩艺儿俺比别人少了多少安全系数。 枪在我们有枪玩枪的人是很重要的一部分，对很多其他美国人来说，无关痛痒也无所谓支持或反对。 枪案多了可能会去投民主党一票，以为禁枪就好了。 但如果自己是受害者，案发后觉醒买枪自卫的，也可能去投共和党了。。。
caesar1223 发表于 2010-8-10 01:15
嗯，是啊，小时候俺爹的英国教授来过俺家，看见俺骑车上下学，还夸爱运动身体好呢。 俺心说整个北航就没几辆私家车，俺不骑车还坐11路是怎么着。。。;P
嗯，是啊，小时候俺爹的英国教授来过俺家，看见俺骑车上下学，还夸爱运动身体好呢。 俺心说整个北航就没几辆私家车，俺不骑车还坐11路是怎么着。。。;P
那左轮不是44MAG{:3_84:}
命中要害的.22的停止作用也比打不中要害的.45的停止作用要高
FFFEI 发表于 2010-8-10 13:46
所以天朝禁枪还是有一定道理的
所以天朝禁枪还是有一定道理的
这人以后坐飞机是不是都要带一张X光和医院的证明？
哦,怎么这次没JY在叫警察过度使用武力,不顾疑犯人权,误伤路人了.
想起当初那四枪毙敌的女警官所受的议论,唉............
哦,怎么这次没JY在叫警察过度使用武力,不顾疑犯人权,误伤路人了.
想起当初那四枪毙敌的女警官所受的议论,唉............
哦,怎么这次没JY在叫警察过度使用武力,不顾疑犯人权,误伤路人了.
想起当初那四枪毙敌的女警官所受的议论,唉 ...
jjbf80 发表于 2010-8-10 15:57
JY不出来叫好啊,叫了看着真烦人,还不能骂回去.
PS:个人感觉上次和是"女"警官也有点关系哦~~~~:D
哦,怎么这次没JY在叫警察过度使用武力,不顾疑犯人权,误伤路人了.
想起当初那四枪毙敌的女警官所受的议论,唉 ...
jjbf80 发表于 2010-8-10 15:57
JY不出来叫好啊,叫了看着真烦人,还不能骂回去.
PS:个人感觉上次和是"女"警官也有点关系哦~~~~:D
blueblood2 发表于 2010-8-10 16:00
JY对发生在MD的类似事件,历来都是选择性无视的.:D
JY对发生在MD的类似事件,历来都是选择性无视的.:D
jjbf80 发表于 2010-8-10 17:26
没事,反正换成我们对天朝很多事也只能选择性无视.:D
没事,反正换成我们对天朝很多事也只能选择性无视.:D
不知道这人以后喝水会不会漏：）
老美警察不是用的空尖弹么？即使打上的是非致命部位，想反抗也很难了吧…不知道会截几条肢
不知道这人以后喝水会不会漏：）
老美警察不是用的空尖弹么？即使打上的是非致命部位，想反抗也很难了吧…不知道会截几条肢
谁能能设想一下天朝警察命中嫌犯23枪没有打死后JY的反应？{:jian:}
peopletx 发表于 2010-8-10 04:36
空尖弹没什么特别的神奇杀伤力啊。 9毫米的空尖弹，如果在人体组织里完全扩展的话(如果)，一般也就是0.5到0.6英寸的直径，也就是比.45ACP的FMJ圆头弹稍微大一点。 但45比起9毫米来，一是永远不用担心会不会可靠的扩展，本身已经是快半英寸口径了。 二是入口就是.45英寸，9毫米入口永远是.354英寸的。。。
空尖弹没什么特别的神奇杀伤力啊。 9毫米的空尖弹，如果在人体组织里完全扩展的话(如果)，一般也就是0.5到0.6英寸的直径，也就是比.45ACP的FMJ圆头弹稍微大一点。 但45比起9毫米来，一是永远不用担心会不会可靠的扩展，本身已经是快半英寸口径了。 二是入口就是.45英寸，9毫米入口永远是.354英寸的。。。
双筒 发表于 2010-8-10 18:09
双筒兄，您那边对.45GAP这个口径都什么评价？
看.45GAP的广告文，感觉这弹真是浑身都是优点，却很奇怪怎么会一直普及不起来？
还有就是.357 SIG这个口径也是如此。。。
双筒兄，您那边对.45GAP这个口径都什么评价？
看.45GAP的广告文，感觉这弹真是浑身都是优点，却很奇怪怎么会一直普及不起来？
还有就是.357 SIG这个口径也是如此。。。
哈哈。
papop 发表于 2010-8-10 05:17
.45GAP？ 那是什么新口径啊？ ;P
GAP在俺看到的情况，是基本上已经死了(嗯，“基本死了”，oxymoron)。 Gaston想按照S&W成功创建.40SW的方法，推出一个有他名字的口径，好名垂青史。 可40口径当年是FBI的10毫米演变来的。 10毫米威力太大，FBI就一直打一种减弱了的10毫米配方。 S&W把10毫米弹壳缩短，让这个口径能装进9毫米常用的枪身，而威力不变。 一下子FBI可以有一把小手型也能舒服握持的枪，还打他们喜欢的口径，一举两得。 45ACP本身没什么毛病，1911用了那么多年了，握把对手小的人也很舒服，因为是单排弹夹。 双排的当然握把很大，但G21的握把比别人的还大还不舒服，角度也对喜欢1911的人来说很别扭。 所以不是45ACP这口径有问题，是格牢靠的枪把大家不喜欢。 .45GAP实际上是要让手小的人喜欢用格牢靠打45口径。 可惜弹夹容量太低，而XD45一出来，人们发现握把没比9毫米XD大多少，还能打13+1发45ACP，再也没人玩格牢靠的“发明”了。。。
357SIG在沃尔玛偶尔还有卖的，所以还没完全过世。 那是给迷信.357 Magnum的停止作用，又想打半自动的人预备的。。。
.45GAP？ 那是什么新口径啊？ ;P
GAP在俺看到的情况，是基本上已经死了(嗯，“基本死了”，oxymoron)。 Gaston想按照S&W成功创建.40SW的方法，推出一个有他名字的口径，好名垂青史。 可40口径当年是FBI的10毫米演变来的。 10毫米威力太大，FBI就一直打一种减弱了的10毫米配方。 S&W把10毫米弹壳缩短，让这个口径能装进9毫米常用的枪身，而威力不变。 一下子FBI可以有一把小手型也能舒服握持的枪，还打他们喜欢的口径，一举两得。 45ACP本身没什么毛病，1911用了那么多年了，握把对手小的人也很舒服，因为是单排弹夹。 双排的当然握把很大，但G21的握把比别人的还大还不舒服，角度也对喜欢1911的人来说很别扭。 所以不是45ACP这口径有问题，是格牢靠的枪把大家不喜欢。 .45GAP实际上是要让手小的人喜欢用格牢靠打45口径。 可惜弹夹容量太低，而XD45一出来，人们发现握把没比9毫米XD大多少，还能打13+1发45ACP，再也没人玩格牢靠的“发明”了。。。
357SIG在沃尔玛偶尔还有卖的，所以还没完全过世。 那是给迷信.357 Magnum的停止作用，又想打半自动的人预备的。。。
双筒 发表于 2010-8-10 18:38
双筒太幽默了:D！
双筒太幽默了:D！
“警察开46枪共击中嫌犯23枪，击中死者6枪，击中同僚一枪，击中路人4枪，共计命中34枪”
这个命中率不得了啊·~
这个命中率不得了啊·~
杀之 发表于 2010-8-9 23:51
这报道跟纽约时报的有些出入。 首先Alvarez中的是21枪，不是23。 Soto中了5枪，其中致命的击中心脏一枪，是来自警察。 因为从尸体里取出的弹头被证明是来自有polygonal膛线的手枪，也就是警察用的格牢靠。 警察说在开枪前至少有两名现场证人听到警察发出口头警告，“Police, freeze” and, “Police, drop the gun,”等等。 而提供证词说Alvarez没有武器和没有开枪的目击证人，一个是Alvarez的表兄弟，另一个是他的朋友。 所以这些证词在俺看来并不比警察说的更可信，准确说没有第三者的证词，俺更愿意相信警察的。。。 击中便衣警察胸部的子弹，是第一个开枪的警察打的头两发里的一发。 便衣穿了防弹衣。。。
警察的枪法的确够烂，但开这么多枪并不一定就说明警察滥用暴力。 相反，这更有助于证明警察是感到生命受到确切威胁而被迫自卫。 如果只开一两枪，慢慢悠悠瞄准精确射击，那不是自卫，而是谋杀了。。。
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/10/nyregion/10shoot.html
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Fatal Bullet in Harlem Probably Fired by Police
By WILLIAM K. RASHBAUM, KAREN ZRAICK and RAY RIVERA
Published: August 9, 2010
The bullet that killed a man early Sunday after a crowded Harlem party came from a semiautomatic weapon, ballistics tests have revealed, indicating that it was probably fired by one of four police officers who discharged 46 rounds after gunfire broke out.
The police said that the man, Luis Soto, 21, was shot during a frenzied encounter — they said he was fighting with another man when one of the two drew a revolver and witnesses reported hearing one or two shots. The man Mr. Soto was fighting with turned and fired on a responding officer, and four officers returned fire, the police said.
Mr. Soto was hit five times: in the left shoulder, the left forearm, the right thigh, the left hip and in the area of his left collarbone — the fatal shot that tore through his heart, lungs and other organs, officials said. His left forearm was grazed by a sixth bullet.
The other man, Angel Alvarez, 23, was shot 21 times — most if not all by the police — and survived. Two officers were also wounded, the police said, one when a bullet fired by a fellow officer struck his bullet-resistant vest, and another whose hand was grazed.
Three other people, believed to be bystanders, also received minor gunshot wounds. Although it was not immediately clear who fired those shots, all but 4 of the 50 shots fired in the melee came from the police, officials said.
The bullet that killed Mr. Soto was recovered during his autopsy and turned over to the police for ballistic analysis. A law enforcement official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the investigation was continuing, said an analysis showed that a bullet recovered from Mr. Soto’s body had “polygonal rifling,” consistent with the semiautomatic pistols used by the officers who fired their weapons.
So far, the only weapons the police have confirmed were used in the shooting were the 9-millimeter semiautomatics used by the officers — including two Glocks, a Sig Sauer and a Smith & Wesson — and a .38-caliber revolver the authorities say was used by either Mr. Soto or Mr. Alvarez during the fight. The police have recovered shell casings and ballistic evidence at the scene from only those five weapons, and several officials said they were not aware of an additional gunman.
It was unclear who fired the other bullets that struck Mr. Soto because they all passed through his body, said Ellen Borakove, a spokeswoman for Dr. Charles Hirsch, the city’s chief medical examiner.
The 46 bullets were the most fired by the police in a single episode since the 2006 shooting of Sean Bell, who was killed and two of his friends wounded in a barrage of 50 police bullets.
Police officials said Sunday after a preliminary review that the shooting appeared to be within their guidelines.
Prosecutors in the office of the Manhattan district attorney, Cyrus R. Vance Jr, plan to present the shooting to a grand jury, several law enforcement officials said. A spokeswoman for Mr. Vance, Erin Duggan, would not discuss the case, other than to say that “it is the practice of this office to put all police shootings before a grand jury” and that, so far, no charges had been brought against Mr. Alvarez.
Several officers who responded to the shooting and did not fire were questioned on Sunday. The officers who fired will not be questioned by the police because in such cases, the district attorney requests that any interviews be postponed until prosecutors determine if any police conduct could have been criminal. The formal police interviews confer immunity on the officers.
The police said that as Mr. Alvarez and Mr. Soto were on the ground fighting, a witness saw Mr. Soto reach for his waistband. Then several witnesses reported hearing one or two shots, the police said. Mr. Alvarez then got up and fired toward a uniformed officer, the police said. At least two witnesses heard, “Police, freeze” and, “Police, drop the gun,” the police said.
The first officer to fire was Douglas Bright, 31, a uniformed officer who has been on the force eight years. He fired two rounds, one striking the bullet-resistant vest of a plainclothes officer, Michael Tedeschi, who was shot in the chest. He and Officer Alfredo Vargas, 28, who was grazed in the hand, were released from the hospital on Monday. Officer Vargas did not fire.
Officer Tedeschi, 36, who has been on the force three and a half years, fired 16 times. He was one of three plainclothes anticrime officers who fired in the direction of Mr. Alvarez. The other two were Sgt. Paul Kerrigan, 39, a 16-year veteran, who fired 16 times; and Officer Thomas Cozart, 34, a five-year veteran, who fired 12 times.
The witness accounts retold by the police were at odds with what some other witnesses said had happened. Robert Cartagena, 19, Mr. Alvarez’s cousin, and another witness, Shariff Spencer, Mr. Alvarez’s friend, said they never saw Mr. Alvarez fire a gun.
Mr. Alvarez’s lawyer, John J. Carney, met with Mr. Alvarez in the hospital on Monday. He said his client was unable to speak, but motioned “no” when asked if he had had a gun or fired one.
None of the officers had been involved in a prior shooting. Since the Bell shooting, it is standard for all officers in police-involved shooting cases to be given a breath test. They all passed.
Trymaine Lee, Colin Moynihan and Nate Schweber contributed reporting.
A version of this article appeared in print on August 10, 2010, on page A16 of the New York edition.
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这报道跟纽约时报的有些出入。 首先Alvarez中的是21枪，不是23。 Soto中了5枪，其中致命的击中心脏一枪，是来自警察。 因为从尸体里取出的弹头被证明是来自有polygonal膛线的手枪，也就是警察用的格牢靠。 警察说在开枪前至少有两名现场证人听到警察发出口头警告，“Police, freeze” and, “Police, drop the gun,”等等。 而提供证词说Alvarez没有武器和没有开枪的目击证人，一个是Alvarez的表兄弟，另一个是他的朋友。 所以这些证词在俺看来并不比警察说的更可信，准确说没有第三者的证词，俺更愿意相信警察的。。。 击中便衣警察胸部的子弹，是第一个开枪的警察打的头两发里的一发。 便衣穿了防弹衣。。。
警察的枪法的确够烂，但开这么多枪并不一定就说明警察滥用暴力。 相反，这更有助于证明警察是感到生命受到确切威胁而被迫自卫。 如果只开一两枪，慢慢悠悠瞄准精确射击，那不是自卫，而是谋杀了。。。
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/10/nyregion/10shoot.html
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Fatal Bullet in Harlem Probably Fired by Police
By WILLIAM K. RASHBAUM, KAREN ZRAICK and RAY RIVERA
Published: August 9, 2010
The bullet that killed a man early Sunday after a crowded Harlem party came from a semiautomatic weapon, ballistics tests have revealed, indicating that it was probably fired by one of four police officers who discharged 46 rounds after gunfire broke out.
The police said that the man, Luis Soto, 21, was shot during a frenzied encounter — they said he was fighting with another man when one of the two drew a revolver and witnesses reported hearing one or two shots. The man Mr. Soto was fighting with turned and fired on a responding officer, and four officers returned fire, the police said.
Mr. Soto was hit five times: in the left shoulder, the left forearm, the right thigh, the left hip and in the area of his left collarbone — the fatal shot that tore through his heart, lungs and other organs, officials said. His left forearm was grazed by a sixth bullet.
The other man, Angel Alvarez, 23, was shot 21 times — most if not all by the police — and survived. Two officers were also wounded, the police said, one when a bullet fired by a fellow officer struck his bullet-resistant vest, and another whose hand was grazed.
Three other people, believed to be bystanders, also received minor gunshot wounds. Although it was not immediately clear who fired those shots, all but 4 of the 50 shots fired in the melee came from the police, officials said.
The bullet that killed Mr. Soto was recovered during his autopsy and turned over to the police for ballistic analysis. A law enforcement official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the investigation was continuing, said an analysis showed that a bullet recovered from Mr. Soto’s body had “polygonal rifling,” consistent with the semiautomatic pistols used by the officers who fired their weapons.
So far, the only weapons the police have confirmed were used in the shooting were the 9-millimeter semiautomatics used by the officers — including two Glocks, a Sig Sauer and a Smith & Wesson — and a .38-caliber revolver the authorities say was used by either Mr. Soto or Mr. Alvarez during the fight. The police have recovered shell casings and ballistic evidence at the scene from only those five weapons, and several officials said they were not aware of an additional gunman.
It was unclear who fired the other bullets that struck Mr. Soto because they all passed through his body, said Ellen Borakove, a spokeswoman for Dr. Charles Hirsch, the city’s chief medical examiner.
The 46 bullets were the most fired by the police in a single episode since the 2006 shooting of Sean Bell, who was killed and two of his friends wounded in a barrage of 50 police bullets.
Police officials said Sunday after a preliminary review that the shooting appeared to be within their guidelines.
Prosecutors in the office of the Manhattan district attorney, Cyrus R. Vance Jr, plan to present the shooting to a grand jury, several law enforcement officials said. A spokeswoman for Mr. Vance, Erin Duggan, would not discuss the case, other than to say that “it is the practice of this office to put all police shootings before a grand jury” and that, so far, no charges had been brought against Mr. Alvarez.
Several officers who responded to the shooting and did not fire were questioned on Sunday. The officers who fired will not be questioned by the police because in such cases, the district attorney requests that any interviews be postponed until prosecutors determine if any police conduct could have been criminal. The formal police interviews confer immunity on the officers.
The police said that as Mr. Alvarez and Mr. Soto were on the ground fighting, a witness saw Mr. Soto reach for his waistband. Then several witnesses reported hearing one or two shots, the police said. Mr. Alvarez then got up and fired toward a uniformed officer, the police said. At least two witnesses heard, “Police, freeze” and, “Police, drop the gun,” the police said.
The first officer to fire was Douglas Bright, 31, a uniformed officer who has been on the force eight years. He fired two rounds, one striking the bullet-resistant vest of a plainclothes officer, Michael Tedeschi, who was shot in the chest. He and Officer Alfredo Vargas, 28, who was grazed in the hand, were released from the hospital on Monday. Officer Vargas did not fire.
Officer Tedeschi, 36, who has been on the force three and a half years, fired 16 times. He was one of three plainclothes anticrime officers who fired in the direction of Mr. Alvarez. The other two were Sgt. Paul Kerrigan, 39, a 16-year veteran, who fired 16 times; and Officer Thomas Cozart, 34, a five-year veteran, who fired 12 times.
The witness accounts retold by the police were at odds with what some other witnesses said had happened. Robert Cartagena, 19, Mr. Alvarez’s cousin, and another witness, Shariff Spencer, Mr. Alvarez’s friend, said they never saw Mr. Alvarez fire a gun.
Mr. Alvarez’s lawyer, John J. Carney, met with Mr. Alvarez in the hospital on Monday. He said his client was unable to speak, but motioned “no” when asked if he had had a gun or fired one.
None of the officers had been involved in a prior shooting. Since the Bell shooting, it is standard for all officers in police-involved shooting cases to be given a breath test. They all passed.
Trymaine Lee, Colin Moynihan and Nate Schweber contributed reporting.
A version of this article appeared in print on August 10, 2010, on page A16 of the New York edition.
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老实说警察开枪自卫很合理，但是打成这样还真的是警察的问题，不但打伤好几个无辜群众，还打中受害者要害，感觉他们不来结果会更好.....说不定Alvarez还可以说是警察打死Soto的.....
不过反正是老美的警察，他们扛M2hb上街乱扫我们都没什么意见 - -
不过反正是老美的警察，他们扛M2hb上街乱扫我们都没什么意见 - -
哇！命大
许文强恨不能从坟里跳出来骂街。。:L
alex182 发表于 2010-8-10 19:49
[:a3:]你老的想象力也是相当可以~~~~~~~~
[:a3:]你老的想象力也是相当可以~~~~~~~~
双筒 发表于 10-8-2010 19:09
便衣警察的防弹衣给打穿了？
便衣警察的防弹衣给打穿了？
yjyz26 发表于 2010-8-10 19:29
我觉得老美警察的这种遇到什么悍匪，不管三七二十一，先朝他身上一气喷光整个弹匣再说的做法非常可取。
唯一问题就是这要放在国内的环境下，领导和媒体肯定又要唧唧歪歪了。。。
我觉得老美警察的这种遇到什么悍匪，不管三七二十一，先朝他身上一气喷光整个弹匣再说的做法非常可取。
唯一问题就是这要放在国内的环境下，领导和媒体肯定又要唧唧歪歪了。。。