欧盟果然是个白眼狼,把Galileo中国做的载荷给换了

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3月9好的慕尼黑峰会上,爆出要把Galileo卫星上五院做的载荷给换了,果然是个白眼狼啊,又是一个AE100,幸好我们有北斗,只是进度太慢了

European Officials Poised To Remove Chinese Payloads From Galileo Sats



By Peter B. de Selding
MUNICH, Germany — The European Commission appears set to order the builders of the initial four Galileo navigation satellites, now in final assembly, to remove their Chinese-built search-and-rescue payloads as part of an evolving security and technology-independence policy, European government and industry officials said.
Similar motivations will prevent the builders of the full 30-satellite Galileo constellation from purchasing search-and-rescue terminals from Canada’s Com Dev despite Canada’s status as an associate member of the 18-nation European Space Agency and Com Dev’s acknowledged expertise in the technology, officials said.
Galileo program managers, anticipating a commission ruling they say they still have not received, have begun designing replacement hardware that would have the same weight as the Chinese gear and would not further delay delivery of the four Galileo In-Orbit Validation spacecraft.
The four satellites are in final assembly and test by a manufacturing consortium led by Astrium Satellites and Thales Alenia Space. Their launch date has recently slipped to early 2011 for the first two, and mid-2011 for the remaining pair.
A European Union decision to offload the Chinese-built hardware could serve as a metaphor for the European Commission’s relations with China in the Galileo program.
When Galileo was viewed as a private-sector development with public-sector financial participation, European Commission program managers sought Chinese participation in pursuit of Chinese cash in the short term and privileged access to China’s market for positioning and timing applications in the longer term.
That business model collapsed, however, and Galileo was transformed into a 100 percent taxpayer-financed project. Galileo’s managers also became aware of the security considerations implicit in the construction of a global positioning, navigation and timing satellite network.
China was, in effect, disinvited from Galileo, a decision that was reinforced by China’s move to build its own global system,  called Beidou/Compass.
At the Munich Satellite Navigation Summit here March 10, a Chinese government official bluntly asked the European Commission why it no longer wanted to work with China, and when China’s cash investment in Galileo would be returned.
Paul Verhoef, the European Commission’s satellite navigation program manager, sought to explain.
Europe’s decision to invite China to invest in Galileo, Verhoef said, “was with a number of purposes in mind, and in a different context. Some nations [outside Europe] wanted to participate in the construction of the system as part of a public-private partnership. But Galileo subsequently was made into a public procurement with public-procurement rules.”
Verhoef added: “China’s ambitions also had changed. China originally said it was designing is own smaller, regional system for military use. Then China moved to a global civil system. It is one thing to work together in one context. It is quite another in another context. But our two systems can still cooperate.”
The former Galileo partners are now embroiled in a dispute over the radio frequencies their separate navigation constellations will use for their encrypted, quasi-military service, which for Galileo is called the Public Regulated Service (PRS). Chinese officials refer to their PRS equivalent simply as the Authorized Service.
Satellite navigation system sponsors would like to be able to locate their government-only service on radio spectrum not used by any other navigation system. That way, they can jam all other navigation signals in a conflict zone or during an emergency while retaining the use of their own service.
“For the authorized service, spectral separation is beneficial,” said Jiao Wenhai of the China Satellite Navigation Office in Beijing during a March 10 presentation here. “But due to the limits of the spectrum, it is difficult to achieve.”
China has begun deploying its Beidou/Compass satellites. The full system is designed to include five geostationary-orbit satellites, three satellites in inclined geosynchronous orbit for northern coverage and 27 satellites operating in medium Earth orbit. An initial capacity to serve Asia is expected to be in place by 2012, with full system deployment by 2020, Jiao said.
In an interview, Jiao said that despite some two years of negotiations with Europe and the United States to find separate spectrum slices for the U.S. GPS military code, Europe’s PRS and the Chinese Authorized Service, no solution has been found because of the physical limits of available radio spectrum.
Europe and the United States agreed on the locations of their encrypted services in 2004. Verhoef said Europe and Russia — whose Glonass constellation is nearing full in-orbit operational status — are “well advanced” on the issue. “We’re still in discussions with China,” he said.

3月9好的慕尼黑峰会上,爆出要把Galileo卫星上五院做的载荷给换了,果然是个白眼狼啊,又是一个AE100,幸好我们有北斗,只是进度太慢了

European Officials Poised To Remove Chinese Payloads From Galileo Sats



By Peter B. de Selding
MUNICH, Germany — The European Commission appears set to order the builders of the initial four Galileo navigation satellites, now in final assembly, to remove their Chinese-built search-and-rescue payloads as part of an evolving security and technology-independence policy, European government and industry officials said.
Similar motivations will prevent the builders of the full 30-satellite Galileo constellation from purchasing search-and-rescue terminals from Canada’s Com Dev despite Canada’s status as an associate member of the 18-nation European Space Agency and Com Dev’s acknowledged expertise in the technology, officials said.
Galileo program managers, anticipating a commission ruling they say they still have not received, have begun designing replacement hardware that would have the same weight as the Chinese gear and would not further delay delivery of the four Galileo In-Orbit Validation spacecraft.
The four satellites are in final assembly and test by a manufacturing consortium led by Astrium Satellites and Thales Alenia Space. Their launch date has recently slipped to early 2011 for the first two, and mid-2011 for the remaining pair.
A European Union decision to offload the Chinese-built hardware could serve as a metaphor for the European Commission’s relations with China in the Galileo program.
When Galileo was viewed as a private-sector development with public-sector financial participation, European Commission program managers sought Chinese participation in pursuit of Chinese cash in the short term and privileged access to China’s market for positioning and timing applications in the longer term.
That business model collapsed, however, and Galileo was transformed into a 100 percent taxpayer-financed project. Galileo’s managers also became aware of the security considerations implicit in the construction of a global positioning, navigation and timing satellite network.
China was, in effect, disinvited from Galileo, a decision that was reinforced by China’s move to build its own global system,  called Beidou/Compass.
At the Munich Satellite Navigation Summit here March 10, a Chinese government official bluntly asked the European Commission why it no longer wanted to work with China, and when China’s cash investment in Galileo would be returned.
Paul Verhoef, the European Commission’s satellite navigation program manager, sought to explain.
Europe’s decision to invite China to invest in Galileo, Verhoef said, “was with a number of purposes in mind, and in a different context. Some nations [outside Europe] wanted to participate in the construction of the system as part of a public-private partnership. But Galileo subsequently was made into a public procurement with public-procurement rules.”
Verhoef added: “China’s ambitions also had changed. China originally said it was designing is own smaller, regional system for military use. Then China moved to a global civil system. It is one thing to work together in one context. It is quite another in another context. But our two systems can still cooperate.”
The former Galileo partners are now embroiled in a dispute over the radio frequencies their separate navigation constellations will use for their encrypted, quasi-military service, which for Galileo is called the Public Regulated Service (PRS). Chinese officials refer to their PRS equivalent simply as the Authorized Service.
Satellite navigation system sponsors would like to be able to locate their government-only service on radio spectrum not used by any other navigation system. That way, they can jam all other navigation signals in a conflict zone or during an emergency while retaining the use of their own service.
“For the authorized service, spectral separation is beneficial,” said Jiao Wenhai of the China Satellite Navigation Office in Beijing during a March 10 presentation here. “But due to the limits of the spectrum, it is difficult to achieve.”
China has begun deploying its Beidou/Compass satellites. The full system is designed to include five geostationary-orbit satellites, three satellites in inclined geosynchronous orbit for northern coverage and 27 satellites operating in medium Earth orbit. An initial capacity to serve Asia is expected to be in place by 2012, with full system deployment by 2020, Jiao said.
In an interview, Jiao said that despite some two years of negotiations with Europe and the United States to find separate spectrum slices for the U.S. GPS military code, Europe’s PRS and the Chinese Authorized Service, no solution has been found because of the physical limits of available radio spectrum.
Europe and the United States agreed on the locations of their encrypted services in 2004. Verhoef said Europe and Russia — whose Glonass constellation is nearing full in-orbit operational status — are “well advanced” on the issue. “We’re still in discussions with China,” he said.
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CGI要杯具了,sign
要看合同是怎么签的

违约是要赔钱的
China was, in effect, disinvited from Galileo, a decision that was reinforced by China’s move to build its own global system,  called Beidou/Compass.

想起了之前求购澳大利亚矿业公司失败的事情。
星彩 发表于 2010-3-18 02:56

这其实都是屁话,不要听他们的。我们完全可以说实际上是他们不合作,所以我们被迫起灶单干。

我们有没有人管啊,至少也要抗议骂街一下啊。
好, 好的很。

就是希望TG 多吃点亏, 面的有些个别人,总是对外国的东西媚态的很, 多吃这种亏, 那天, 全国人民都在外族“合作”,"援助“。。。等等冠冕堂皇的事情上搞明白”非我族者,皆为异类“, 那天我们就牛白了。
目前搞的商用大飞机迟早也是这种情况
ltnmzh 发表于 2010-3-18 04:20
这个问题早就吵吵过了。中国在伽利略计划中掏了不少钱,但是欧盟想削凯子,给中国的权利还不如没掏钱的日本大。
所以中国自己搞北斗,而且用同样的频率。当然,也是考虑到了非民用的问题。

实际上从那时候起,就已经撕破脸了。现在这个样子,不过是分家时候的清算而已。
欧鳖把加拿大载荷也换掉了
欧盟的老爷说了伽利略上只准欧盟的产品,中国,加拿大的一概拿下﹃_﹃
那就撤资呗,都闹到这个地步了,还参乎这个,真以为高科技是打麻将呢。
无所谓了,反正有北斗~吃点亏有时也不是啥子坏事
yuhui_bear 发表于 2010-3-18 08:59


    自力更生艰苦奋斗。先辈说的话一点没错。有很多人就是不明白。民智未开。
rottenweed 发表于 2010-3-18 09:06


    我觉得一开始就是想用银子敲门,看看你的门道。到最后还是要自己搞的。
现在总要装一下委屈啊  呵呵。
各位看清了,现在知道我为什么一直说卫星上每个部件都要国产了吧?
先辈说的话一点没错。有很多人就是不明白。民智未开。
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中国还是有很多人自认专业人士深信舐外国人屁眼就有运行. 见到中国有人想自主发展科技就只会泼冷水.:L
单就换部件来说,是贸易保护主义作祟。
不过,想“合作”换技术的确是不切实际的,吃大亏的次数不少;

开眼界是肯定的,换进步有可能,换先进技术希望不大,换核心竞争力是不可能的。
我们合作就没指望真正能用上,只是恶心下美国和欧盟罢了
用相同的频率,恶心死他们,TNND,RI ,要挂一起挂
rottenweed 发表于 2010-3-18 09:06


    我们可不是因为伽利略不待见咱们才搞北斗的,北斗工程浩大,从八十年代就开始论证了。入股伽利略,很像是一种战略牵制,吃点亏不见得是坏事,何况我们并没有实质性的吃亏
把别人的频率都占用了,还想人家给你好脸子看?便宜哪能都让你占尽了?太贪心了吧?
郭炜 发表于 2010-3-18 12:26
人家的频率?谁家的?

请问阳光、空气也是西人的吗?

心智未开!
屠城校尉 发表于 2010-3-18 10:33




更有红小将一见批评就如丧考妣,容不得半点不同意见,给点东西就HIGH的不得了,完全不看差距
shthug 发表于 2010-3-18 10:22

我记得隔壁某帖有人对国产的新运放持十分不屑的态度
天涯风灵 发表于 2010-3-18 12:50

你倒是心智早开,早熟得很。满世界的阳光、空气、海洋、大地,你去占领啊?强盗逻辑。

要知道,出来混的,迟早都要还的。捞什么好处都要付出代价的。
更有红小将一见批评就如丧考妣,容不得半点不同意见,给点东西就HIGH的不得了,完全不看差距
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看到差距就应更加为正在努力的人打气, 而不是不屑地泼冷水. 你不会认为不屑地泼冷水就等同批评鼓励吧.;P
郭炜 发表于 2010-3-18 12:26

啥叫别人的频率。
郭炜 发表于 2010-3-18 12:26


    这一句很强大!
话说其实GPS用的频率是我们的,只不过让MD抢了而已,是不是这样啊?
啥叫别人的频率。
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屁股决定脑袋, 坐到洋人那边了. 洋人不要的中国人才可以用啊.;P
郭炜 发表于 2010-3-18 12:26

什么叫别人的频率你懂?;P

你倒是心智早开,早熟得很。满世界的阳光、空气、海洋、大地,你去占领啊?强盗逻辑。

要知道,出来混的,迟早都要还的。捞什么好处都要付出代价的。
郭炜 发表于 2010-3-18 13:39

有主的海洋、土地等,我就不占了;没主的,只要我有实力,一定占。

出来混,迟早都要还的。欧瘪当年占我土地、杀我人民,夺我国宝、掠我银两,迟早是要还的。
你倒是心智早开,早熟得很。满世界的阳光、空气、海洋、大地,你去占领啊?强盗逻辑。

要知道,出来混的,迟早都要还的。捞什么好处都要付出代价的。
郭炜 发表于 2010-3-18 13:39

有主的海洋、土地等,我就不占了;没主的,只要我有实力,一定占。

出来混,迟早都要还的。欧瘪当年占我土地、杀我人民,夺我国宝、掠我银两,迟早是要还的。
吃亏了吗? 北斗都上天了,伽利略还在扯淡。本来我们就是去试探的,而且一开始就是两手准备的。
伽利略的验证卫星早就上天了
想知道伽利略现在用啥频率。 PS:只有你的卫星正式组网运行了,国际电联才承认你有这个频率的使用权,先占先得,这也是TG急着先发几颗上去组网的原因。老美的GPS是最优频率,北斗的是次优。
lancelotsy 发表于 2010-3-18 13:29


    呵呵 记忆犹新
回复 35# carrot2000
E1 E6 E5 还有个用来搜救的SAR 就是这次五院做的这个载荷
S波段上传
郭炜 发表于 2010-3-18 12:26
啥叫"别人的频率"?先用先占本来就是最基本的规则,欧盟自己水平太差,能怪谁
谁说北斗是伽利略被踢出以后才搞的?
参加伽利略的时候也没想有啥核心技术能够借鉴,不过是交个会费,看看人家怎么玩儿而已。
lenovo1985 发表于 2010-3-18 11:57
近来不是要组织什么采购团么,出洋采购什么的,就说不去了,让那帮洋大人干瞪眼,看着我们的银子流口水