苏联有除了通古斯卡以外的双管自行高炮吗？

当然也除了ZSU-57-2型自行高炮


当然也除了ZSU-57-2型自行高炮

此前很多年听说过ZSU-30-2，但是没看到图片，但是朝鲜好像自己根据这个理念DIY了一个，就是用的ZSU-23-4的地盘和电子设备改装双30炮。

带雷达的那种

猎豹斯基发来贺电……

铠甲s-1算么。。。

这对地效果如何？

回复 3# solitary


    猎豹斯基没服役。

我有一张彩绘图，传不上来，请楼上的兄弟详细说说，样子像通古斯卡，但没有导弹，是双管的，另外“猎豹斯基”是什么？愿闻其详:D :handshake

我有一张彩绘图，传不上来，请楼上的兄弟详细说说，样子像通古斯卡，但没有导弹，是双管的，另外“猎豹斯基”是什么？愿闻其详:D :handshake

回复 9# 一帆风顺1977


那个是西方国家对ZSU-30-2的想象。

话说，通古斯卡严格来说应该是四管

飘过，飘过～～～～～

以前在一本书上见过一张图。

T-54坦克 发表于 2010-2-19 22:19

是90年代的军事世界画刊，关于坦克装甲车辆的专辑

ЗСУ-37-2

苏联不是有把ZU-23-2架在卡车上的么,算不算双管自行高炮?~~

Look!!

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这个应该算吧

哎
通古斯卡是四管吧

danaan 发表于 2010-2-20 09:00

很暴力啊。

zsu-37-2 双管37mm 和23-4同时研发 原计划用来顶替57-2 本来已经完成了国家实验 可以装备了 结果上面叫停 于是就只有23-4装备部队 估计是毛子觉得37-2太大太重 失去两栖能力 或是觉得以数量更多的轻小的23-4可以弥补射程不足吧

为啥货通古斯卡是四管？

bigblu 发表于 2010-2-19 20:02


    啥叫严格来说？通古斯卡本来就是四管
同飘~~~~~

ZSU-37-2

这个绝对是冷门

就是16楼这个图，弟兄们能说详细点吗

就是16楼这个图，弟兄们能说详细点吗

终于能上传图片了，就是这个图

哪位仁兄能详细说说吗？到底是37毫米还是30毫米口径的

你这个图只是西方对苏联下一代高炮的设想 并不是ZSU-37-2
ZSU-37-2用的是SA-4和2S3那个通用底盘
准确说 ZSU-37-2 是第二个使用此底盘的车 第一个是Su-100P 一个装100mm炮的实验车 50年代早期)
而不是图上的T72底盘

ZSU-37-2的图参见
http://army.lv/eng/?s=1459

ZSU-37-2详细资料参见
http://pvo.guns.ru/zsu-37-2/index.htm
这是个俄文网页

谢谢兄弟，真有高人啊:handshake

30口径，我们熟悉的只有2门双30这样的。不过那个37却很少见。

一个英语论坛上对29楼资料的翻译。http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=printpage;topic=6108.0

Translation of http://pvo.guns.ru/zsu-37-2/index.htm

Brief description

By decision S of the USSR №426-211 dated April 17, 1957. is begun the development of new rapid-firing [ZSU] “the Yenisey” and “[Shilka]” with the radar guidance systems.

ZSU “the Yenisey” was developed for the provision of air defense of tank regiments and divisions for destruction of targets against the heights to 3000 m.

In ZSU-37-2 “the Yenisey” was used as far as 37- mm the automatic machine of 500P, developed in OKB -16 (the chief designer A.E. Nudelman). 500P did not have analogs about the ballistics, and its [patronyy] were not interchanged with other 37- mm by the automatic guns of the army and navy with exception of [maloseriynoy] antiaircraft site “squall”.

Specially for “Yenisey” OKB 43 was designed the coupled gun “Angar”, equipped for the sake of two automatic machines of 500P with the belt feed. “Angar” it had a system of liquid cooling it was trunk and the servo electrohydraulic actuators, which it was intended to replace as far as the electrical.

Induction “hangars” was accomplished with the aid of the noise-shielded radiopribornogo complex (RPК) “Baykal”, created in NII-20 GKRE and worked before the centimeter wave band - about 3 cm. however, as it was explained in the course of tests, RPK “Baykal” it could not independently with a sufficient effectiveness accomplish search for aerial target. Therefore on the decision S of №426-211 from 17.04.57 was provided for creation and transfer down official tests before the second quarter of 1960 of mobile RLS “the Ob'” for the administration ZSU.

RLS “Ob'” included was included commander vehicle “Neva” with acquisition radar “Irtysh” and RPK “Baykal”, placed in ZSU “Yenisey”. Complex “the Ob'” had to simultaneously direct fire six-eight ZSU. However, before the middle of 1959 of work along “the Ob'” were ended, all forces were cast down the finishing OF ZRK “circle”.

Chassis for “the Yenisey” was designed in KB “Uralmash (Ural Heavy Machinery Plant im. Sergo Ordzhonikidze)” under the leadership G.S. efimova on the basis of chassis of experimental self-propelled unit Su-100P. Its production was intended to deploy on Lipetsk the Tractor Plant.

ZSU-37-2 had the bulletproof armor plating, which in the places of storage of ammunition load provided protection from the 7.62-mm rifle armor-piercing bullet based on distance 400 m.

For the electric power supply of aircraft electrical wiring system “Yenisey” it was supplied for the sake of the special gas turbine engine, developed before US, whose use made it possible to [obeschpechivat] rapid readiness at the point of the combat at low temperatures of air.

Testings

[ZSU] “the Yenisey” underwent tests in parallel with ZSU “shilka”, but about its program.

Stages of preproduction tests [ZSU]

Type [ZSU] “[Shilka]” “The Yenisey”
The first experimental model is finished December 1960. December 1960.
Time of the carrying out of the plant tests December 1960. - August 1961. January 1960. - August 1961.
Time of the carrying out official tests On August 26, 1961. - On October 24, 1961. On August 10, 1961. - On October 20, 1961.
Place of the carrying out official tests [Donguzskiy] anti-aircraft firing range (Orenburg reg.) and tank range in st. Of [kubinka] (Moscow reg.)
In the course official tests:   
it is made the shots 14 194 6 266
are perfected landing run, km 1 490 1 185
the duration of operation RPK, ch 172 375

“The Yenisey” had a killing zone on the distance and the ceiling, close down ZSU-37-2, and according to the conclusion of state commission " ensured” the protection of the tank troops before all phases of battle, since air attack weapons on the tank troops predominantly perform against the heights to 3000 m”. Normal firing - continuous turn to 150 shots down the barrel, then interruption 30 s (air cooling) and the repetition of cycle to [izraskhodvaniya] of ammunition load.

In the course of tests it was established that one ZSU “the Yenisey” exceeds on its effectiveness the six-gun battery 57- mm of guns S -60 and battery from [cheterykh] ZSU-57-2.

At the tests AS FAR AS ZSU “Yenisey” it ensured firing beside [dvizheniipo] to virgin soil with a velocity of 20- of 25 km/h. During the movement along the tank track on the firing range with a velocity of 8-10 km/h [ochnost] of firing was down 25% lower than based on the place. The accuracy of firing in the gun “of Angar” was 2-2,5 times higher than in gun S -68.

In the time official tests from the gun “of hangar” they made 6266 shots. In this case were noted only two delays even four breakdowns. In the course of tests it gave failures [SDU] (protection equipment from passive jamming). However, chassis showed good maneuvering characteristics.

RPK “Baykal” at the tests functioned it satisfactorily and showed the following results:

the limit of work on the target speed - to 660 m/s against the heights more than 300 m and 415 m/s against the heights of 100-300 m;
the medium range of detection of aircraft MiG-17 in the sector 30 deg. without the target designation - 18 km (maximum range of the accompaniment of a similar target - 20 km);
the maximum speed of target tracking on the vertical line - 40 deg/s. Time of the transfer beside the alert from the mode of preliminary readiness 10-15 s.
According to the data, obtained in the course of tests, it was proposed to use “Yenisey” for the defense of army antiaircraft missile systems “circle” and “cube”, since the zone of its effective firing closed over the dead zone of these ZRK.

Reception for the armament

On the terminations official tests AS FAR AS ZSU “Yenisey” and “Shilka” the commission recommended to the reception for the armament both ZSU. But after the decision S of №925-401 from 05.09.1962 for the armament was accepted only “Shilka”, and 20 [setyabrya] of the same year was published order [GKOT] about the termination of the works on “the Yenisey”. At the same time, more lately appeared order GKOT about identical rewarding of the organizations, which worked at both vehicles.

Projections


Projections OF [ZSU]-37-2 “Yenisey”

Tactical-technical given

Caliber, mm 37
Number of automatic machines 2
Index to [artchasti] Angar
Type of the automatic machine 500[P]
Weight of shell, kgf 0,733
The initial velocity of shell, m/s 1010
Ammunition load, [vystr]. 540
Total weight of automatic machines, kgf 2900
High-altitude interval of effective fire, m 100 - 3000
Slant range of firing against anti-aircraft targets, m 4500
The maximum speed of aerial target, m/s 660
Firing distance against ground targets, m 5000
Rate of fire, [vystr]./[min] 1048
Length of the maximum turn of one automatic machine, [vystr].  150
Type RPK “Baykal”
Range of detection of a target of the type MiG-17, m 18000
Distance of the automatic tracking of the type MiG-17, m 20000
Limits of work RPK on the target speed, m/s  660/414
Bearing [VN] of gun, deg. -1 - +85
Bearing GN of gun, deg. 360
Type of the chassis object 123
Fighting weight ZSU, t 27,5
Dimensions of the installation:  
- length, mm 6460
- width, mm 3100
Power of the engine of chassis, hp. 400
The maximum speed of movement, km/h 60
Crew, man. 4

Information sources

A. Shirokorad. “Shilka” and other domestic anti-aircraft self-propelled units. [Bronekollektsiya] of №2, 1998
History of domestic anti-aircraft PVO (Air Defense) of Russia

一个英语论坛上对29楼资料的翻译。http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=printpage;topic=6108.0

Translation of http://pvo.guns.ru/zsu-37-2/index.htm

Brief description

By decision S of the USSR №426-211 dated April 17, 1957. is begun the development of new rapid-firing [ZSU] “the Yenisey” and “[Shilka]” with the radar guidance systems.

ZSU “the Yenisey” was developed for the provision of air defense of tank regiments and divisions for destruction of targets against the heights to 3000 m.

In ZSU-37-2 “the Yenisey” was used as far as 37- mm the automatic machine of 500P, developed in OKB -16 (the chief designer A.E. Nudelman). 500P did not have analogs about the ballistics, and its [patronyy] were not interchanged with other 37- mm by the automatic guns of the army and navy with exception of [maloseriynoy] antiaircraft site “squall”.

Specially for “Yenisey” OKB 43 was designed the coupled gun “Angar”, equipped for the sake of two automatic machines of 500P with the belt feed. “Angar” it had a system of liquid cooling it was trunk and the servo electrohydraulic actuators, which it was intended to replace as far as the electrical.

Induction “hangars” was accomplished with the aid of the noise-shielded radiopribornogo complex (RPК) “Baykal”, created in NII-20 GKRE and worked before the centimeter wave band - about 3 cm. however, as it was explained in the course of tests, RPK “Baykal” it could not independently with a sufficient effectiveness accomplish search for aerial target. Therefore on the decision S of №426-211 from 17.04.57 was provided for creation and transfer down official tests before the second quarter of 1960 of mobile RLS “the Ob'” for the administration ZSU.

RLS “Ob'” included was included commander vehicle “Neva” with acquisition radar “Irtysh” and RPK “Baykal”, placed in ZSU “Yenisey”. Complex “the Ob'” had to simultaneously direct fire six-eight ZSU. However, before the middle of 1959 of work along “the Ob'” were ended, all forces were cast down the finishing OF ZRK “circle”.

Chassis for “the Yenisey” was designed in KB “Uralmash (Ural Heavy Machinery Plant im. Sergo Ordzhonikidze)” under the leadership G.S. efimova on the basis of chassis of experimental self-propelled unit Su-100P. Its production was intended to deploy on Lipetsk the Tractor Plant.

ZSU-37-2 had the bulletproof armor plating, which in the places of storage of ammunition load provided protection from the 7.62-mm rifle armor-piercing bullet based on distance 400 m.

For the electric power supply of aircraft electrical wiring system “Yenisey” it was supplied for the sake of the special gas turbine engine, developed before US, whose use made it possible to [obeschpechivat] rapid readiness at the point of the combat at low temperatures of air.

Testings

[ZSU] “the Yenisey” underwent tests in parallel with ZSU “shilka”, but about its program.

Stages of preproduction tests [ZSU]

Type [ZSU] “[Shilka]” “The Yenisey”
The first experimental model is finished December 1960. December 1960.
Time of the carrying out of the plant tests December 1960. - August 1961. January 1960. - August 1961.
Time of the carrying out official tests On August 26, 1961. - On October 24, 1961. On August 10, 1961. - On October 20, 1961.
Place of the carrying out official tests [Donguzskiy] anti-aircraft firing range (Orenburg reg.) and tank range in st. Of [kubinka] (Moscow reg.)
In the course official tests:   
it is made the shots 14 194 6 266
are perfected landing run, km 1 490 1 185
the duration of operation RPK, ch 172 375

“The Yenisey” had a killing zone on the distance and the ceiling, close down ZSU-37-2, and according to the conclusion of state commission " ensured” the protection of the tank troops before all phases of battle, since air attack weapons on the tank troops predominantly perform against the heights to 3000 m”. Normal firing - continuous turn to 150 shots down the barrel, then interruption 30 s (air cooling) and the repetition of cycle to [izraskhodvaniya] of ammunition load.

In the course of tests it was established that one ZSU “the Yenisey” exceeds on its effectiveness the six-gun battery 57- mm of guns S -60 and battery from [cheterykh] ZSU-57-2.

At the tests AS FAR AS ZSU “Yenisey” it ensured firing beside [dvizheniipo] to virgin soil with a velocity of 20- of 25 km/h. During the movement along the tank track on the firing range with a velocity of 8-10 km/h [ochnost] of firing was down 25% lower than based on the place. The accuracy of firing in the gun “of Angar” was 2-2,5 times higher than in gun S -68.

In the time official tests from the gun “of hangar” they made 6266 shots. In this case were noted only two delays even four breakdowns. In the course of tests it gave failures [SDU] (protection equipment from passive jamming). However, chassis showed good maneuvering characteristics.

RPK “Baykal” at the tests functioned it satisfactorily and showed the following results:

the limit of work on the target speed - to 660 m/s against the heights more than 300 m and 415 m/s against the heights of 100-300 m;
the medium range of detection of aircraft MiG-17 in the sector 30 deg. without the target designation - 18 km (maximum range of the accompaniment of a similar target - 20 km);
the maximum speed of target tracking on the vertical line - 40 deg/s. Time of the transfer beside the alert from the mode of preliminary readiness 10-15 s.
According to the data, obtained in the course of tests, it was proposed to use “Yenisey” for the defense of army antiaircraft missile systems “circle” and “cube”, since the zone of its effective firing closed over the dead zone of these ZRK.

Reception for the armament

On the terminations official tests AS FAR AS ZSU “Yenisey” and “Shilka” the commission recommended to the reception for the armament both ZSU. But after the decision S of №925-401 from 05.09.1962 for the armament was accepted only “Shilka”, and 20 [setyabrya] of the same year was published order [GKOT] about the termination of the works on “the Yenisey”. At the same time, more lately appeared order GKOT about identical rewarding of the organizations, which worked at both vehicles.

Projections


Projections OF [ZSU]-37-2 “Yenisey”

Tactical-technical given

Caliber, mm 37
Number of automatic machines 2
Index to [artchasti] Angar
Type of the automatic machine 500[P]
Weight of shell, kgf 0,733
The initial velocity of shell, m/s 1010
Ammunition load, [vystr]. 540
Total weight of automatic machines, kgf 2900
High-altitude interval of effective fire, m 100 - 3000
Slant range of firing against anti-aircraft targets, m 4500
The maximum speed of aerial target, m/s 660
Firing distance against ground targets, m 5000
Rate of fire, [vystr]./[min] 1048
Length of the maximum turn of one automatic machine, [vystr].  150
Type RPK “Baykal”
Range of detection of a target of the type MiG-17, m 18000
Distance of the automatic tracking of the type MiG-17, m 20000
Limits of work RPK on the target speed, m/s  660/414
Bearing [VN] of gun, deg. -1 - +85
Bearing GN of gun, deg. 360
Type of the chassis object 123
Fighting weight ZSU, t 27,5
Dimensions of the installation:  
- length, mm 6460
- width, mm 3100
Power of the engine of chassis, hp. 400
The maximum speed of movement, km/h 60
Crew, man. 4

Information sources

A. Shirokorad. “Shilka” and other domestic anti-aircraft self-propelled units. [Bronekollektsiya] of №2, 1998
History of domestic anti-aircraft PVO (Air Defense) of Russia