超级军网中国购买伊尔76又死灰复燃了？有谱没谱？
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环球时报驻美国特约记者王启超报道：美国合众国际社6月10日刊发平可夫的文章，文章称中俄在寻求陷入停顿的伊尔-76/78采购飞机问题的解决办法，如果进行重新商谈，中国或购买新一代伊尔-476型运输机。
平可夫称，中俄双方的谈判始于7年前，合同在2005年签署，中方以单机价格2000万美元向俄方购买30架伊尔-76运输机和8架伊尔-78空中加油机。
文章说，目前中国订购的38架飞机已有15架处于半成品状态，另外23架将进行全新生产。但由于负责组装的乌兹别克塔什干飞机生产公司（Tashkent Aircraft Production Corp）面临资金困难，再加上近来美元价值戏剧性波动、俄罗斯国内通货膨胀等因素，俄方无法按照预定计划生产飞机。俄方表示愿意执行协议，但认为需要调整伊尔系列飞机的售价。
文章援引来自伊留申金融公司（Ilyushin Finance）的消息说，经过一番协商，俄方与中国在伊尔-76飞机上的论争终于取得了某些进展，中国愿意探讨签订新协议的可能性，但中国方面坚持运输机的具体型号、产地和价格都要重新商谈；中国还提出，在签订新的官方协议之前，要到飞机生产厂家实地查看一番；一个较为可行的计划是中方首先到乌里扬诺夫斯克（Ulyanovsk）飞机制造厂考察，伊尔-76飞机的新版本，即伊尔-476。伊尔-476装配了全数字化飞控系统、玻璃化座舱和新一代PS-90发动机。
平可夫说，乌里扬诺夫斯克（Ulyanovsk）飞机制造厂过去为中国生产的图-204客机在质量上很过硬。平可夫的文章还提到，根据俄方的消息，中俄方进行了初步接触，但新协议到底何时签订还不清楚。环球时报驻美国特约记者王启超报道：美国合众国际社6月10日刊发平可夫的文章，文章称中俄在寻求陷入停顿的伊尔-76/78采购飞机问题的解决办法，如果进行重新商谈，中国或购买新一代伊尔-476型运输机。
平可夫称，中俄双方的谈判始于7年前，合同在2005年签署，中方以单机价格2000万美元向俄方购买30架伊尔-76运输机和8架伊尔-78空中加油机。
文章说，目前中国订购的38架飞机已有15架处于半成品状态，另外23架将进行全新生产。但由于负责组装的乌兹别克塔什干飞机生产公司（Tashkent Aircraft Production Corp）面临资金困难，再加上近来美元价值戏剧性波动、俄罗斯国内通货膨胀等因素，俄方无法按照预定计划生产飞机。俄方表示愿意执行协议，但认为需要调整伊尔系列飞机的售价。
文章援引来自伊留申金融公司（Ilyushin Finance）的消息说，经过一番协商，俄方与中国在伊尔-76飞机上的论争终于取得了某些进展，中国愿意探讨签订新协议的可能性，但中国方面坚持运输机的具体型号、产地和价格都要重新商谈；中国还提出，在签订新的官方协议之前，要到飞机生产厂家实地查看一番；一个较为可行的计划是中方首先到乌里扬诺夫斯克（Ulyanovsk）飞机制造厂考察，伊尔-76飞机的新版本，即伊尔-476。伊尔-476装配了全数字化飞控系统、玻璃化座舱和新一代PS-90发动机。
平可夫说，乌里扬诺夫斯克（Ulyanovsk）飞机制造厂过去为中国生产的图-204客机在质量上很过硬。平可夫的文章还提到，根据俄方的消息，中俄方进行了初步接触，但新协议到底何时签订还不清楚。
平可夫称，中俄双方的谈判始于7年前，合同在2005年签署，中方以单机价格2000万美元向俄方购买30架伊尔-76运输机和8架伊尔-78空中加油机。
文章说，目前中国订购的38架飞机已有15架处于半成品状态，另外23架将进行全新生产。但由于负责组装的乌兹别克塔什干飞机生产公司（Tashkent Aircraft Production Corp）面临资金困难，再加上近来美元价值戏剧性波动、俄罗斯国内通货膨胀等因素，俄方无法按照预定计划生产飞机。俄方表示愿意执行协议，但认为需要调整伊尔系列飞机的售价。
文章援引来自伊留申金融公司（Ilyushin Finance）的消息说，经过一番协商，俄方与中国在伊尔-76飞机上的论争终于取得了某些进展，中国愿意探讨签订新协议的可能性，但中国方面坚持运输机的具体型号、产地和价格都要重新商谈；中国还提出，在签订新的官方协议之前，要到飞机生产厂家实地查看一番；一个较为可行的计划是中方首先到乌里扬诺夫斯克（Ulyanovsk）飞机制造厂考察，伊尔-76飞机的新版本，即伊尔-476。伊尔-476装配了全数字化飞控系统、玻璃化座舱和新一代PS-90发动机。
平可夫说，乌里扬诺夫斯克（Ulyanovsk）飞机制造厂过去为中国生产的图-204客机在质量上很过硬。平可夫的文章还提到，根据俄方的消息，中俄方进行了初步接触，但新协议到底何时签订还不清楚。环球时报驻美国特约记者王启超报道：美国合众国际社6月10日刊发平可夫的文章，文章称中俄在寻求陷入停顿的伊尔-76/78采购飞机问题的解决办法，如果进行重新商谈，中国或购买新一代伊尔-476型运输机。
平可夫称，中俄双方的谈判始于7年前，合同在2005年签署，中方以单机价格2000万美元向俄方购买30架伊尔-76运输机和8架伊尔-78空中加油机。
文章说，目前中国订购的38架飞机已有15架处于半成品状态，另外23架将进行全新生产。但由于负责组装的乌兹别克塔什干飞机生产公司（Tashkent Aircraft Production Corp）面临资金困难，再加上近来美元价值戏剧性波动、俄罗斯国内通货膨胀等因素，俄方无法按照预定计划生产飞机。俄方表示愿意执行协议，但认为需要调整伊尔系列飞机的售价。
文章援引来自伊留申金融公司（Ilyushin Finance）的消息说，经过一番协商，俄方与中国在伊尔-76飞机上的论争终于取得了某些进展，中国愿意探讨签订新协议的可能性，但中国方面坚持运输机的具体型号、产地和价格都要重新商谈；中国还提出，在签订新的官方协议之前，要到飞机生产厂家实地查看一番；一个较为可行的计划是中方首先到乌里扬诺夫斯克（Ulyanovsk）飞机制造厂考察，伊尔-76飞机的新版本，即伊尔-476。伊尔-476装配了全数字化飞控系统、玻璃化座舱和新一代PS-90发动机。
平可夫说，乌里扬诺夫斯克（Ulyanovsk）飞机制造厂过去为中国生产的图-204客机在质量上很过硬。平可夫的文章还提到，根据俄方的消息，中俄方进行了初步接触，但新协议到底何时签订还不清楚。
平可夫说，乌里扬诺夫斯克（Ulyanovsk）飞机制造厂过去为中国生产的图-204客机在质量上很过硬。
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怎么一直没弄回来
天灵灵,地灵灵,超大各大谙熟洋务,泡过毛妞的大买办,大精蝇,快出来!
坦白从宽,抗拒从阉!老实交代你们勾结毛人卖国求容的严重罪行![:a16:]
坦白从宽,抗拒从阉!老实交代你们勾结毛人卖国求容的严重罪行![:a16:]
http://www.upiasiaonline.com/Sec ... aircraft_deal/4507/
China to renegotiate Russian aircraft deal
By Andrei Chang
Column: Military Might
Published: June 10, 2008
Hong Kong, China — For some time, military cooperation between China and Russia has been stalled over a failed deal involving China’s import of Russian Il-76 transport aircraft. China claims that Russia violated the terms of an agreement involving the sale of 38 aircraft. But Russia says this claim is unfair.
Negotiations on the aircraft deal began seven years ago. By the time the contract was signed in 2005, China had agreed to purchase 30 Il-76 transport aircraft and eight Il-78 air-to-air refueling tankers – at an extremely low price. According to a source in the Russian military industry, China initially offered only US$18 million for each plane. The Russian side proposed $22 million, and eventually the two sides settled on a price tag of $20 million per aircraft.
Such a low price was unprecedented in the international transport aircraft market. By comparison, around the same time Jordan had contracted for a variant of the Il-76 at a price of about US$50 million per aircraft.
For this reason, the deal was controversial from the outset. The discussions began in 2001, the contract was signed in 2005 – but in 2008, not a single Il-76 has been delivered.
The aircraft were to be assembled from Russian parts at the Tashkent Aircraft Production Corp. in the Uzbek capital. Out of the 38 aircraft contracted, 15 were already half finished. The others were to be newly manufactured.
The Tashkent company was facing serious financial difficulties, however, and was unable to produce the aircraft according to schedule. This was made worse by the dramatic fluctuation in the value of the U.S. dollar and escalating inflation in Russia – making the cost of producing the transport aircraft much higher than when the deal was originally signed.
According to the Russian side, the Chinese have been unreasonable in refusing to renegotiate the deal in light of changing circumstances.
The Russian source compared the situation with a similar one faced with India over a 2004 deal involving the refurbishing of the aging Gorshkov aircraft carrier. The Russian side was able to hold frank discussions with the Indian side, the source said, and acknowledged that it had made errors in the initial assessment.
The task was to refit the old aircraft carrier, but after dismantling the vessel, Russian engineers realized that the project was practically equivalent to building a brand new aircraft carrier.
“The Indian experts saw the same situation we did, and as a result the two sides could look at the issue with mutual understanding and find a satisfactory solution to the problem,” the source explained.
But the Chinese have been less understanding and less accommodating. They also insist that they will not sign any major military procurement agreement with Russia until this problem is solved to their satisfaction.
The Russians say they are still willing to carry out the agreement and complete the manufacture and delivery of the Il-76 transport aircraft to China. But considering the current reality in Russia and Uzbekistan, the manufacturer feels it is only fair to readjust the price.
A source from Ilyushin Finance told the author recently that the Il-76 dispute with China has made some recent progress. That is, China is now aware of the reality in Russia and is willing to discuss the possibility of signing a new contract. The China side insists, however, that the specific models of the transport aircraft, production sites and prices will all have to be renegotiated.
The Chinese side has also asked to inspect the aircraft production plant before signing a new official agreement. A more feasible plan is that the Chinese side will first inspect the Ulyanovsk Aircraft Factory, which is now preparing for the production of a brand new version of the Il-76, called the Il-476.
The Il-476 is equipped with a full numerical flight-control system, a glass cockpit, and a new-generation PS-90 engine. China is somewhat familiar with the Ulyanovsk Aircraft Factory, which in the past has produced Tu-204 passenger aircraft for China that proved quite satisfactory in quality.
The factory will need to upgrade its equipment to manufacture the Il-476, as currently only 20 percent of the necessary equipment is ready. Fortunately, money is not a problem at the moment. The Ilyushin Group has sufficient financial capability to organize the production.
Russia recently set up the state-owned United Aircraft Corporation, made up of the Ilyushin Group, Sukhoi and MiG. The Tashkent Aircraft Production Corp. has also decided to join this group, with the final signing ceremony to take place within two months. Once the Tashkent company formally joins the state corporation, it may receive new funding and be able to resume its full production capability.
According to the Russian source, China has already initiated preliminary contact with the United Aircraft Corporation to discuss renegotiating the Il-76 transport aircraft deal, but the whole process will take some time. It is not clear when a new agreement would be signed.
The latest developments with regard to the Il-76 deal are exactly in keeping with this author’s prediction – that China would have no alternative to Russia to produce its military transport aircraft.
The question now is what impact China’s recent creation of the J-11B – an illegal copy of Russia’s Su-27 fighter – will have on its renegotiation of the Il-76 deal with the Russians.
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(Andrei Chang is editor-in-chief of Kanwa Defense Review Monthly, registered in Toronto Canada.)
China to renegotiate Russian aircraft deal
By Andrei Chang
Column: Military Might
Published: June 10, 2008
Hong Kong, China — For some time, military cooperation between China and Russia has been stalled over a failed deal involving China’s import of Russian Il-76 transport aircraft. China claims that Russia violated the terms of an agreement involving the sale of 38 aircraft. But Russia says this claim is unfair.
Negotiations on the aircraft deal began seven years ago. By the time the contract was signed in 2005, China had agreed to purchase 30 Il-76 transport aircraft and eight Il-78 air-to-air refueling tankers – at an extremely low price. According to a source in the Russian military industry, China initially offered only US$18 million for each plane. The Russian side proposed $22 million, and eventually the two sides settled on a price tag of $20 million per aircraft.
Such a low price was unprecedented in the international transport aircraft market. By comparison, around the same time Jordan had contracted for a variant of the Il-76 at a price of about US$50 million per aircraft.
For this reason, the deal was controversial from the outset. The discussions began in 2001, the contract was signed in 2005 – but in 2008, not a single Il-76 has been delivered.
The aircraft were to be assembled from Russian parts at the Tashkent Aircraft Production Corp. in the Uzbek capital. Out of the 38 aircraft contracted, 15 were already half finished. The others were to be newly manufactured.
The Tashkent company was facing serious financial difficulties, however, and was unable to produce the aircraft according to schedule. This was made worse by the dramatic fluctuation in the value of the U.S. dollar and escalating inflation in Russia – making the cost of producing the transport aircraft much higher than when the deal was originally signed.
According to the Russian side, the Chinese have been unreasonable in refusing to renegotiate the deal in light of changing circumstances.
The Russian source compared the situation with a similar one faced with India over a 2004 deal involving the refurbishing of the aging Gorshkov aircraft carrier. The Russian side was able to hold frank discussions with the Indian side, the source said, and acknowledged that it had made errors in the initial assessment.
The task was to refit the old aircraft carrier, but after dismantling the vessel, Russian engineers realized that the project was practically equivalent to building a brand new aircraft carrier.
“The Indian experts saw the same situation we did, and as a result the two sides could look at the issue with mutual understanding and find a satisfactory solution to the problem,” the source explained.
But the Chinese have been less understanding and less accommodating. They also insist that they will not sign any major military procurement agreement with Russia until this problem is solved to their satisfaction.
The Russians say they are still willing to carry out the agreement and complete the manufacture and delivery of the Il-76 transport aircraft to China. But considering the current reality in Russia and Uzbekistan, the manufacturer feels it is only fair to readjust the price.
A source from Ilyushin Finance told the author recently that the Il-76 dispute with China has made some recent progress. That is, China is now aware of the reality in Russia and is willing to discuss the possibility of signing a new contract. The China side insists, however, that the specific models of the transport aircraft, production sites and prices will all have to be renegotiated.
The Chinese side has also asked to inspect the aircraft production plant before signing a new official agreement. A more feasible plan is that the Chinese side will first inspect the Ulyanovsk Aircraft Factory, which is now preparing for the production of a brand new version of the Il-76, called the Il-476.
The Il-476 is equipped with a full numerical flight-control system, a glass cockpit, and a new-generation PS-90 engine. China is somewhat familiar with the Ulyanovsk Aircraft Factory, which in the past has produced Tu-204 passenger aircraft for China that proved quite satisfactory in quality.
The factory will need to upgrade its equipment to manufacture the Il-476, as currently only 20 percent of the necessary equipment is ready. Fortunately, money is not a problem at the moment. The Ilyushin Group has sufficient financial capability to organize the production.
Russia recently set up the state-owned United Aircraft Corporation, made up of the Ilyushin Group, Sukhoi and MiG. The Tashkent Aircraft Production Corp. has also decided to join this group, with the final signing ceremony to take place within two months. Once the Tashkent company formally joins the state corporation, it may receive new funding and be able to resume its full production capability.
According to the Russian source, China has already initiated preliminary contact with the United Aircraft Corporation to discuss renegotiating the Il-76 transport aircraft deal, but the whole process will take some time. It is not clear when a new agreement would be signed.
The latest developments with regard to the Il-76 deal are exactly in keeping with this author’s prediction – that China would have no alternative to Russia to produce its military transport aircraft.
The question now is what impact China’s recent creation of the J-11B – an illegal copy of Russia’s Su-27 fighter – will have on its renegotiation of the Il-76 deal with the Russians.
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(Andrei Chang is editor-in-chief of Kanwa Defense Review Monthly, registered in Toronto Canada.)
希望有戏。
原帖由 daniel1128 于 2008-6-13 14:27 发表
平可夫说，乌里扬诺夫斯克（Ulyanovsk）飞机制造厂过去为中国生产的图-204客机在质量上很过硬。
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怎么一直没弄回来
这不是么？Cargo罢了
原帖由 beck4587 于 2008-6-13 15:02 发表
这不是么？Cargo罢了
但一直没接回来
救灾暴露出中国空运力量的薄弱,这还没有打仗,只是救灾.所以,伊尔76铁定是要买的.老俄又要大赚一笔.此次价格决不便宜的.
自己有能力生产了多好啊！
呼叫PUPU
原帖由 daniel1128 于 2008-6-13 15:08 发表
但一直没接回来
刚接回来吧
原帖由 SSJ100 于 2008-6-15 13:09 发表
刚接回来吧
什么时候的事
图-204和波音757也太像了吧。波音757斯基？
原帖由 sskwxf846 于 2008-6-13 22:05 发表
救灾暴露出中国空运力量的薄弱,这还没有打仗,只是救灾.所以,伊尔76铁定是要买的.老俄又要大赚一笔.此次价格决不便宜的.
貌似第一次订的合同，毛子被T G的倚天屠龙刀砍的遍体鳞伤。。;P
飞机不错
原帖由 wyqjn 于 2008-6-15 19:35 发表
貌似第一次订的合同，毛子被T G的倚天屠龙刀砍的遍体鳞伤。。;P
可是都砍倒现在毛子撕毁合同了，这刀砍得还实在是竹篮打水一场空:Q ;P
是貨機吧，記得以前提過，這飛機如果作為客運用的話，和波音空客的差得比較遠。
有戏,而且不是一般的有戏!
急切盼望!
2000w的运输机
公园里的大妈都没这么厉害;funk ;funk
公园里的大妈都没这么厉害;funk ;funk
战略上需要就肯定要买，做点让步吧。
原帖由 happywar 于 2008-6-17 16:59 发表
2000w的运输机
公园里的大妈都没这么厉害;funk ;funk
2000万？TG一开始的时候可是把价格砍到了1800W一架。。。毛子答应了（鬼知道哪根经抽住了）。。。。过了一段时间毛子觉得不对头，开始涨价。。。。这次是多少钱咱就不知道了
这次不知道要多少钱,买100架?:D
MB，以后谈判一定抓几个上海人去砍价。
貌似重新报价了,很可能很快就会有结果了
至少150架，以后大运出来以后达到美帝的规模。
上周三在浦东机场看到远处有架很大的俄罗斯型号的运输机，应该是安系列的
不是钱问题，是毛子没能力造了。
把生产线买回来不就行了
毛子拿到钱就有生产线，生产到手软为止！
1800万...毛子脑子抽筋的很厉害啊[:a9:]
玩小聪明，以为把飞机的价格压得很低就跟得了多大的便宜一样，结果怎么样。
也不知道钱跟时间相比到底哪个重要
也不知道钱跟时间相比到底哪个重要
1800万也太便宜了，估计是胡扯的
原帖由 fatfox 于 2008-6-18 17:38 发表
玩小聪明，以为把飞机的价格压得很低就跟得了多大的便宜一样，结果怎么样。
也不知道钱跟时间相比到底哪个重要
根据很多媒体的消息，根本就不是钱的问题啊。你就是10亿一架又怎样。
原帖由 fatfox 于 2008-6-18 17:38 发表
玩小聪明，以为把飞机的价格压得很低就跟得了多大的便宜一样，结果怎么样。
也不知道钱跟时间相比到底哪个重要
MS是毛子自己报的价，当时卢布贬值很厉害（上世纪90年代初），后来毛子经济好了，卢布升值后就造不出来了，所以~~~时事变幻啊！
急需的东西啊，能拿下还是先尽快拿下吧！
1800W只是机体的价格:L
唉，不跟毛子买还能咋的
C17是好啊，可是人家国会就不批准卖给你，军火商也郁闷啊
C17是好啊，可是人家国会就不批准卖给你，军火商也郁闷啊
原帖由 我是谁 于 2008-6-18 20:47 发表
1800W只是机体的价格:L
壳 发动机航电另算。。。。
还有附件 后勤设备等着加价
原帖由 5010mon 于 2008-6-18 17:53 发表
根据很多媒体的消息，根本就不是钱的问题啊。你就是10亿一架又怎样。
我收回我的话，诶～～说到底人家知道咱除了跟他买没别的办法，怪就怪咱自己造不出来！那边一航二航还在那玩什么分分和和玩的不亦乐乎