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ATV不仅可以充当货运飞船的角色，还可以充当神舟飞船长期无人驻轨、短期有人照料空间站的作用。
毛子显然是和欧空局有利益输送的。哈萨克斯坦一度与俄罗斯关系微妙，那时正是俄罗斯与欧空局谈判在法属圭亚那新建发射场的时候。一旦ATV启用，与之搭配的阿里安5（ES ATV型）发射密度将提高，从而降低阿里安5系列的成本。同时，俄罗斯也可以从进步飞船发射任务中摆脱出来，将精力集中到全新的载人飞船上，并将国际空间站的相当一部分工作仍给欧空局。
以阿里安5现在的情况，一年增加一次发射任务还是显得不解渴啊
毛子的新飞船恐怕还是悬很
没看懂，难道是一次性使用？发射后就不回收了？这能叫做飞船吗？
原帖由 不知所谓 于 2008-1-19 17:58 发表
没看懂，难道是一次性使用？发射后就不回收了？这能叫做飞船吗？
那你准备叫什么？货运飞船就不是飞船？你当挑粪工人不是人啊！;P
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这东西很强大，很有发展前途
阿5靠这个也不一定吃的饱，要是这个东西在对接的时候出点问题，光扯皮也要吵好几个国家。
。。。。。。。反正不会来求中国。。。。。
原帖由 phylly 于 2008-1-19 21:00 发表
。。。。。。。反正不会来求中国。。。。。
求中国干什么？中国能干什么？差距要承认，合作要主动。
ATV可是欧空局手里的一张好牌，除了重新协调了和毛子空间合作的关系，还可以拿ATV与NASA的星座计划绑在一起。ATV可以装进Ares I超过5米直径的整流罩里，装进Ares V就更不成问题，前者25吨的ISS轨道运载能力能满足20.75吨的ATV发射重量，而且ATV的对接口和Orion应该是相匹配的。
先说说这个一次性货运飞船有什么NB的地方吗？
可以给外星人提供货物，如果航天飞机停飞的话。
原帖由 重剑无锋 于 2008-1-20 01:44 发表
先说说这个一次性货运飞船有什么NB的地方吗？
那你说说什么算NB的:D
原帖由 bigblu 于 2008-1-20 10:53 发表
那你说说什么算NB的:D
带着东西返回
神舟系列验证完出舱和对接技术之后，时日无多了。
PS:ATV跟Orion对接在一起做什么？
货运飞船和和咱们神舟的主要差别有两个：
1 安全性要求不一样，只说咱们的吧，火箭 、飞船和地面系统为了保障安全做了很多工作。
2 不能返回，咱们的叫载人天地往返运输系统。
货运飞船 是个好东西，如果只是完成送货任务，成本弄得越低越见本事。
不过如果以后天空有多个空间站，它可不可以充当太空卡车呢？联盟做个这种事情。以后的月球基地，火星计划估计都可以用到，不过是够以后的东西了。
1 安全性要求不一样，只说咱们的吧，火箭 、飞船和地面系统为了保障安全做了很多工作。
2 不能返回，咱们的叫载人天地往返运输系统。
货运飞船 是个好东西，如果只是完成送货任务，成本弄得越低越见本事。
不过如果以后天空有多个空间站，它可不可以充当太空卡车呢？联盟做个这种事情。以后的月球基地，火星计划估计都可以用到，不过是够以后的东西了。
原帖由 bigblu 于 2008-1-20 10:53 发表
那你说说什么算NB的:D
有什么新的技术？按楼顶这文章说明这货运飞船做的工作和老旧的进步号货运飞船并无二样。
就是很大很重，我运1次相当于你运3次，这还不够NB的~~
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原帖由 ssizz 于 2008-1-20 14:45 发表
带着东西返回
神舟系列验证完出舱和对接技术之后，时日无多了。
PS:ATV跟Orion对接在一起做什么？
ATV和国际空间站对接以后，内部的可增压密封舱段就能够作为国际空间站的一部分，进一步扩展国际空间站载人舱部分的内部容积。
原帖由 bigblu 于 2008-1-20 18:16 发表
ATV和国际空间站对接以后，内部的可增压密封舱段就能够作为国际空间站的一部分，进一步扩展国际空间站载人舱部分的内部容积。
ATV不仅给ISS运送给养和设备，还提供轨道补偿。ATV的研制成功说明了国际合作的必要性，我们其实可以完全不必去研发长期无人在轨、短期有人照料的小型轨道空间站。
原帖由 bigblu 于 2008-1-20 18:10 发表
从ISS带出来的全都是太空垃圾，运回地球干什么？:D;P 你闹清楚这个ATV是干什么用的了没有？他的运载能力比进步号和神舟号的加起来还大，这算不算高科技？
类似ATV的ISS货运工具日本也在开发，ATV是新一代空间站专 ...
ATV充分开发了阿里安5的运载能力，如果我们要研制这样一个货运飞船/空间站模块，需要更大的近地轨道运载能力（至少20吨），更大的载荷整流罩（4以上）
那人员轮换怎么办，还是用联盟？
原帖由 bigblu 于 2008-1-20 18:10 发表
从ISS带出来的全都是太空垃圾，运回地球干什么？:D;P 你闹清楚这个ATV是干什么用的了没有？他的运载能力比进步号和神舟号的加起来还大，这算不算高科技？
类似ATV的ISS货运工具日本也在开发，ATV是新一代空间站专 ...
大就叫技术含量？运载力大归功于阿五，又不是这飞船的优势的。它干的就是进步号的活，不过是用阿五打所以尺码大些。俄罗斯对一直独力支持ISS的货运已经很恼火了。随着航天飞机退役，欧洲和日本都需要搞这个飞船来弥补运力不足的问题，同时防止俄罗斯掐脖子。
ATV又不是一个独立工作的设备，是ISS的配套而已。
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ATV MISSION CONTROL CENTRE IN TOULOUSE
The main functions of the Automated Transfer Vehicle Control Centre (ATV-CC) will be to operate the Automated Transfer Vehicle (ATV).
In the elegant modern style 'Fermat Building' of the Toulouse space centre, the French space agency CNES, under a contract signed with ESA in 2003, is developing and will operate, by the second half of 2005, a complex space control centre specialised in handling Automated Transfer Vehicle (ATV) missions in orbit.
Under the authority of ESA, the ATV-CC is responsible for the preparation and validation of the monitoring and control tools used by the 30-person control room staff during the mission. The Control Centre is also responsible for carrying out the pre-programmed mission plans and, if needed, to implement any changes. Additionally the Centre is in charge of the orbitography, the localisation of the ATV and the monitoring of its approach to ISS. This is a challenging task, requiring a very high degree of technical skill, since it will be the first time that Europe accomplishes this kind of operations.
Among the different flight control and piloting capabilities, the ATV-CC will also be able to direct the separation (undocking) of the ATV from ISS. The Control Centre can then command an operation to keep the ATV in the vicinity of ISS for up to eight weeks, if needed, before a re-docking.
Shortly after launch, under the responsibility of the Control Centre in Toulouse, the ATV will separate from Ariane 5 and, using its own navigation systems, will make a three-day journey to ISS where its eye-like rendezvous sensors will be used to dock automatically. The ATV will remain an integral Station element for up to six months, and deliver dry cargo, fuel, water and oxygen to the ISS. While attached to the station ATV will also be used to de-saturate ISS Gyros, re-boost ISS to a higher orbit and perform, if necessary, debris avoidance manouvres. Finally, the ATV, loaded with 6.5 tonnes of waste, will be remotely separated from ISS by the same Toulouse centre, and will fully burn up during a guided and controlled re-entry high over the Pacific Ocean.
The mission scenario will require complex interactions and shared responsibilities between space organisations dispersed throughout the world. First, the ATV-CC will work with the Guiana Space Centre, in charge of launch and deployment of the ATV. For rendezvous, docking and departure, the ATV-CC will work in close coordination with the Mission Control Centres in Moscow and Houston. All the ATV ground control commands will be issued from Toulouse. For example, in case of a major malfunction during the rendezvous, the ATV-CC, as well as the ISS crew, can initiate the Collision Avoidance Manoeuvre to move the 20-tonne spaceship away from the Station before re-attempting a rendezvous the next day.
To allow continuous coordination with the other control centres and to remain in constant contact with the ATV during the mission, using relay satellites -- like TDRS and Artemis --, the ATV-CC will rely on the European communication network, called The Interconnection Ground Subnetwork (IGS), which is based at the GSOC (German Space Operations Center of DLR), at Oberpfaffenhofen in Germany. The ATV-CC is directly linked to the control centre of Columbus at the GSOC , which also plays the role of the central node of the communications network with our partners.
CONTROL ROOMS AND FLIGHT CONTROLLERS
Three teams work at ATV-CC, in 3 control rooms:
- The ESA ATV Operations Management Team (OMT), in charge of the overall operations preparation and execution activities, and of decision making for off-nominal situations
- The Flight Control Team, in charge of the ATV operations
- The Engineering Support Team, providing flight analysis and expertise for the whole mission.
The main control room is dedicated to the ATV mission execution/management performed by the CNES flight control team, headed by the flight director. He is in charge of the real time decisions in coordination with the ESA ATV operations management team, which is also working in the same room. This operations management team is in direct contact with Houston and Moscow control centres (MCC-M and MCC-H). There is no CapCom (Capsule Communicator) in the ATV-CC but in case of emergency, the flight director can contact the crew in orbit.
Another room, called the Flight Dynamics Control room, is dedicated to flight dynamics officers who are in charge, using real time data, of computing ATV orbital trajectory and monitoring relative position and attitude with relation to the ISS during the approach and rendezvous manoeuvres. This second team is staffed by CNES-Industrial specialists. They will support the flight director if needed, in case of a trajectory problem.
In the third room, there is an Engineering Support Team in which experts from ESA and EADS-ST -- the ATV prime contractor -- are ready to help and support the flight controllers in case of a problem happening in the ATV systems. This third team intervenes in the case that something is not working as expected. Since they know all the hardware and systems, they are able to take quick corrective measures in case of a failure.
The official language during all the ATV operations is English, including the communications with Moscow and Houston.
At the end of 1998, the ESA Council decided to locate the ATV Control Centre at the CNES space centre in Toulouse and to have CNES as Prime Contractor for ATV operations. Since the mid-1970s, CNES teams in Toulouse have acquired a unique experience in Europe by positioning and manoeuvring numerous low orbit and geostationary satellites. They are also recognized among the best experts in Europe for the localization of space vehicles and for the computation of deorbit maneuvers like when the Mir space station re-entered in the atmosphere in 2001.
The main functions of the Automated Transfer Vehicle Control Centre (ATV-CC) will be to operate the Automated Transfer Vehicle (ATV).
In the elegant modern style 'Fermat Building' of the Toulouse space centre, the French space agency CNES, under a contract signed with ESA in 2003, is developing and will operate, by the second half of 2005, a complex space control centre specialised in handling Automated Transfer Vehicle (ATV) missions in orbit.
Under the authority of ESA, the ATV-CC is responsible for the preparation and validation of the monitoring and control tools used by the 30-person control room staff during the mission. The Control Centre is also responsible for carrying out the pre-programmed mission plans and, if needed, to implement any changes. Additionally the Centre is in charge of the orbitography, the localisation of the ATV and the monitoring of its approach to ISS. This is a challenging task, requiring a very high degree of technical skill, since it will be the first time that Europe accomplishes this kind of operations.
Among the different flight control and piloting capabilities, the ATV-CC will also be able to direct the separation (undocking) of the ATV from ISS. The Control Centre can then command an operation to keep the ATV in the vicinity of ISS for up to eight weeks, if needed, before a re-docking.
Shortly after launch, under the responsibility of the Control Centre in Toulouse, the ATV will separate from Ariane 5 and, using its own navigation systems, will make a three-day journey to ISS where its eye-like rendezvous sensors will be used to dock automatically. The ATV will remain an integral Station element for up to six months, and deliver dry cargo, fuel, water and oxygen to the ISS. While attached to the station ATV will also be used to de-saturate ISS Gyros, re-boost ISS to a higher orbit and perform, if necessary, debris avoidance manouvres. Finally, the ATV, loaded with 6.5 tonnes of waste, will be remotely separated from ISS by the same Toulouse centre, and will fully burn up during a guided and controlled re-entry high over the Pacific Ocean.
The mission scenario will require complex interactions and shared responsibilities between space organisations dispersed throughout the world. First, the ATV-CC will work with the Guiana Space Centre, in charge of launch and deployment of the ATV. For rendezvous, docking and departure, the ATV-CC will work in close coordination with the Mission Control Centres in Moscow and Houston. All the ATV ground control commands will be issued from Toulouse. For example, in case of a major malfunction during the rendezvous, the ATV-CC, as well as the ISS crew, can initiate the Collision Avoidance Manoeuvre to move the 20-tonne spaceship away from the Station before re-attempting a rendezvous the next day.
To allow continuous coordination with the other control centres and to remain in constant contact with the ATV during the mission, using relay satellites -- like TDRS and Artemis --, the ATV-CC will rely on the European communication network, called The Interconnection Ground Subnetwork (IGS), which is based at the GSOC (German Space Operations Center of DLR), at Oberpfaffenhofen in Germany. The ATV-CC is directly linked to the control centre of Columbus at the GSOC , which also plays the role of the central node of the communications network with our partners.
CONTROL ROOMS AND FLIGHT CONTROLLERS
Three teams work at ATV-CC, in 3 control rooms:
- The ESA ATV Operations Management Team (OMT), in charge of the overall operations preparation and execution activities, and of decision making for off-nominal situations
- The Flight Control Team, in charge of the ATV operations
- The Engineering Support Team, providing flight analysis and expertise for the whole mission.
The main control room is dedicated to the ATV mission execution/management performed by the CNES flight control team, headed by the flight director. He is in charge of the real time decisions in coordination with the ESA ATV operations management team, which is also working in the same room. This operations management team is in direct contact with Houston and Moscow control centres (MCC-M and MCC-H). There is no CapCom (Capsule Communicator) in the ATV-CC but in case of emergency, the flight director can contact the crew in orbit.
Another room, called the Flight Dynamics Control room, is dedicated to flight dynamics officers who are in charge, using real time data, of computing ATV orbital trajectory and monitoring relative position and attitude with relation to the ISS during the approach and rendezvous manoeuvres. This second team is staffed by CNES-Industrial specialists. They will support the flight director if needed, in case of a trajectory problem.
In the third room, there is an Engineering Support Team in which experts from ESA and EADS-ST -- the ATV prime contractor -- are ready to help and support the flight controllers in case of a problem happening in the ATV systems. This third team intervenes in the case that something is not working as expected. Since they know all the hardware and systems, they are able to take quick corrective measures in case of a failure.
The official language during all the ATV operations is English, including the communications with Moscow and Houston.
At the end of 1998, the ESA Council decided to locate the ATV Control Centre at the CNES space centre in Toulouse and to have CNES as Prime Contractor for ATV operations. Since the mid-1970s, CNES teams in Toulouse have acquired a unique experience in Europe by positioning and manoeuvring numerous low orbit and geostationary satellites. They are also recognized among the best experts in Europe for the localization of space vehicles and for the computation of deorbit maneuvers like when the Mir space station re-entered in the atmosphere in 2001.
原帖由 dark_knight 于 2008-1-20 22:35 发表
进步飞船有一个重要工作是帮助国际空间站维持轨道，更新更大的货运飞船在轨道维持方面的能力更强，而且ATV的问世意味着这项工作以后将由欧空局主要负责，由此可以看出欧空局背后的能力的确是在提升。俄罗斯是否卡脖 ...
还是没解释先进在哪里
大，那是先进在火箭运力上，造进步货运飞船和ATV所需的技术差别又在哪里呢？
另外，它跟猎户座对接做什么？
原帖由 dark_knight 于 2008-1-20 22:35 发表
进步飞船有一个重要工作是帮助国际空间站维持轨道，更新更大的货运飞船在轨道维持方面的能力更强，而且ATV的问世意味着这项工作以后将由欧空局主要负责，由此可以看出欧空局背后的能力的确是在提升
欧空局能力本来就是很强，但是内部协调还是问题多多。在重要的项目上扯皮很严重，像最重要的伽利略项目看样子还是得拖。这个货运飞船早在ISS项目开始的时候就要配套的，却在ISS运行都十年了才上天。ISS到2010年完全建成后，各方可以自行使用一些设备，所以欧日都发展了自己的货运飞船，这是为了各自能够更好地利用ISS，不受他人制约。
进步号很老旧了，不过俄罗斯能够一年打6-8次，灵活性还是有的。进步号是过去苏联那些小空间站的配套，所以尺码就那么点。为了多带燃料维持ISS的轨道，所以货物运送有限，只有2吨多，而另外带了2吨多燃料。
日本的货运飞船发展拖延更严重，JAXA还居然打算搞新火箭H2B专门发射这款货运飞船，因为H2A不够推力。很难明白日本人在航天方面的规划是怎么个规划的。
原帖由 dark_knight 于 2008-1-20 19:37 发表
ATV充分开发了阿里安5的运载能力，如果我们要研制这样一个货运飞船/空间站模块，需要更大的近地轨道运载能力（至少20吨），更大的载荷整流罩（4以上）
这个有长5顶着，反正TG有一定规模的空间站2010年前也不会出来，国际合作的问题，个人认为TG不可以对此不可以心存很大的幻想
原帖由 bigblu 于 2008-1-20 23:17 发表
这个有长5顶着，反正TG有一定规模的空间站2010年前也不会出来，国际合作的问题，个人认为TG不可以对此不可以心存很大的幻想
ISS的门还是进不去，无奈。门票那点钱都不算啥，连马来西亚这样的小国都上ISS玩了一圈下来。而一个有能力独立做仓段，自行发射，还自配了天地人员输送系统的国家反而被拒绝了。美国人是铁了心跟我们玩技术壁垒了。
也好，省下的门票钱，看看神舟7、8、9的表演吧。反正我们养不起ISS这样规模的实验室。别墅太贵弄不起，搞个二居室却已经不遥远了。有个小太空实验室也不错。等长五出来再换三居室;P
原帖由 dark_knight 于 2008-1-20 19:33 发表
ATV不仅给ISS运送给养和设备，还提供轨道补偿。ATV的研制成功说明了国际合作的必要性，我们其实可以完全不必去研发长期无人在轨、短期有人照料的小型轨道空间站。
貌似iss不带咱们玩。有时候不是咱们不想搞国际合作。嫦娥还想找美国人帮忙呢，但是人家不带你玩，没办法只好自己来。
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原帖由 重剑无锋 于 2008-1-20 23:25 发表
ISS的门还是进不去，无奈。门票那点钱都不算啥，连马来西亚这样的小国都上ISS玩了一圈下来。而一个有能力独立做仓段，自行发射，还自配了天地人员输送系统的国家反而被拒绝了。美国人是铁了心跟我们玩技术壁垒了 ...
美国并没有不让中国参与，事实上中科院参与了阿尔法磁谱仪项目，国防科工委却似乎对ISS另有想法。即使美国不让中国参加，如果威胁退出阿尔法磁谱仪项目，要求送一个人上去短期考察，美国似乎也没有任何理由就硬顶着。马来西亚和NASA也有利益输送，NASA扶持FalconX搞低成本运载火箭，必须利用自身的影响力帮FalconX拉来商业客户，结果马来西亚就让FalconX打对地观测卫星。
原帖由 gfish 于 2008-1-20 23:28 发表
貌似iss不带咱们玩。有时候不是咱们不想搞国际合作。嫦娥还想找美国人帮忙呢，但是人家不带你玩，没办法只好自己来。
我们这里的事情古怪，航天十一五规划本是国防科工委和总装备部主导的，结果公布的时候科技部出来说话讲，国际合作也包括参加ISS，这里面就透露出许多微妙
ISS不是中国考虑的重点。中国有中国的事要做，北斗导航系、长征五火箭，这些对中国才是主要的。
原帖由 dark_knight 于 2008-1-20 19:33 发表
ATV不仅给ISS运送给养和设备，还提供轨道补偿。ATV的研制成功说明了国际合作的必要性，我们其实可以完全不必去研发长期无人在轨、短期有人照料的小型轨道空间站。
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天下没有免费的午餐啊
按照你的说法
ATV都是重复无效投资
反正美国都已经在搞飞船了
把美国的载人飞船修改一下就可以当作货运飞船
欧洲人还瞎忙呼什么！
原帖由 dark_knight 于 2008-1-20 23:34 发表
美国并没有不让中国参与，事实上中科院参与了阿尔法磁谱仪项目，国防科工委却似乎对ISS另有想法。即使美国不让中国参加，如果威胁退出阿尔法磁谱仪项目，要求送一个人上去短期考察，美国似乎也没有任何理由就硬顶着 ...
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阿尔法磁谱仪项目和ISS
不一样吧
阿尔法磁谱仪项目让你做对你自身的技术提高并没有什么提升
ISS要是参加，对你整个技术的提升会有很大帮助的
技术壁垒就是技术壁垒
美国可不是雷锋啊