美国和苏联在库页岛打过空战?(辟谣帖)

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老谣言了,就像登月是伪造的,我国在西北用原子弹报销了苏修2个师一样。:D
翻双方的飞行日志一定能证实打过空战!
或者没有!
关键词:
黑幕、揭秘、不为人知、尘封多年、绝密档案,等等等等
嗯,确实打过。

当时的空战其实很接近朝鲜,本来美国人已经占据优势了。不幸的是正好赶上金胖子出海钓鱼,天上动静太大影响鱼儿上钩,只好开枪打下来几架F-15把美国人赶走了。要不然,苏联人吃亏吃大了。
原帖由 G6-52L 于 2007-10-25 13:39 发表
关键词:
黑幕、揭秘、不为人知、尘封多年、绝密档案,等等等等

对,证据都是来自于不为人知的绝密档案和秘密人士,谁说自己知道谁不是人;P
这是1995年出版的一本名为 “INCIDENT AT SAKHALIN - THE TRUE MISSION OF KAL FLIGHT 007” 的书中写的。作者 MICHEL BRUN,日本人。
原帖由 G6-52L 于 2007-10-25 13:33 发表
老谣言了,就像登月是伪造的,我国在西北用原子弹报销了苏修2个师一样。:D


后面这个绝非谣言~~~
原帖由 中国邦德 于 2007-10-25 14:17 发表


后面这个绝非谣言~~~



69年8月在铁列克提炸的?是不是连偶们的38人巡逻小分队一起炸了?:D
原帖由 白云居士 于 2007-10-25 14:04 发表

对,证据都是来自于不为人知的绝密档案和秘密人士,谁说自己知道谁不是人;P


这是作者开篇表示感谢的,为他的调查提供帮助的部分人员名单

Mr. Edward T. Chase, former senior editor at Scribner's, although I have not
yet decided whether he should be thanked or blamed for having contributed
to my starting this seemingly endless task.

Prof. Shôzo Takemoto, of the Japanese Association of KAL Accident Victims
and cofounder of the Research Group, who lost his beloved wife and eldest
son in the tragedy.

Mr. Kawano, president, Mrs. Haba Yumiko, and the members of the
Japanese Association of KAL Incident Victims.

Mr. Shigeki Sugimoto, engineer at Japan Air Lines, member of the Research
Group.

Mr. Miyano, Mr. Kashima, the mayor, and the people of the village of Sai, on
the Shimo Kita peninsula.

Mr. Iwao Koyama, of NHK, Wakkanai, at the time of the tragedy.

The mayor and the municipal staff at Wakkanai.

Admiral Kato, Adm. Kessoku Konomu, and the officers of the JMSA at
Wakkanai, Otaru, Yokohama, and Tokyo headquarters.

Captain M. of the Japanese Air Self-Defense Forces.

Mr. Takeda, bureau chief of the Too Nippo, at Aomori.

Mr. Makio Yazaki, former vice president, Mr. Michio Nakano, former assistant
vice president for engineering, and Mr. Takashi Kondo, assistant vice
president for engineering development, Japan Air Lines.

Mr. K. Sawano, general manager, Dr. K. Tsuboi, director of the research laboratory
and colleagues at the Iwatsu Electric Company, Kaguyama, Tokyo.

Mr. Ryuji Osaki and the staff at Ortus Japan.

Mr. Hajime Noguchi, plant manager, Mr. Kunihiko Hirosaki, chief of engineering,
and Mr. Tetsuo Harada, manager of quality control, Honeycomb
Section, Showa Aircraft Co.

Mr. Ishizaki and colleagues from HBC Television at Sapporo, and Mr.
Yoshida from HBC Wakkanai.

Mr. Kenji Matsumoto, reporter, Asahi Shimbun.

Mr. Philippe Robert de Massy, from Montreal, who lost a dear younger
brother in the tragedy, and who gave me much encouragement and invaluable
advice.

Mr. Pierre Sparaco, former editor in chief, Aviation Magazine International.
Capt. (ret.) Henri Avril, colleague, airline pilot, and former fighter pilot with
the French Air Force, for his invaluable advice on military matters.

Mr. Pierre Marion, former head of the French Intelligence Service.

Mr. Yves Lambert, former secretary general of the ICAO.

Prof. Cees Wiebes, Amsterdam University.

Mr. Misha Lobko, director of Dathanna International, a French investigative
TV reporter of Russian origin who interviewed Admiral Sidorov and
Lieutenant Colonel Osipovich and others in Russia and on Sakhalin and,
before he learned of my investigation, came to many of the same conclusions
as I have.

Mrs. Katharine M. Bullitt, Mr. Patrick R. McGraner, and Mr. Eric Swenson,
who organized a symposium on KAL 007 at the University of Washington at
Seattle, which gave me a chance to debate the principal supporters of the
U.S. government's position on the case.

My friend and colleague John Keppcl, principal investigator in the KAL 007
project of the Fund for Constitutional Government in Washington, D.C. He
has devoted more time and effort to the case than anybody else and
deserves much more credit here than he is prepared to agree to. His reviewing,
rewriting, and careful polishing of the manuscript of this book has been
so diligent, thorough, and extensive that, although he will protest the idea,
he deserves to be named a coauthor.
好几年前有期世界军事杂志登过,这场空战的同时就是苏联苏15击落日本飞往韩国客机的那个时候。
一定有阴谋阿!:D
原帖由 flankerz 于 2007-10-25 14:26 发表


这是作者开篇表示感谢的,为他的调查提供帮助的部分人员名单

Mr. Edward T. Chase, former senior editor at Scribner's, although I have not
yet decided whether he should be thanked or blamed for ha ...

这些是什么人啊,当年遇难者们以及怀疑者们组成的团体罢了,我看哪个都没有掌握确凿的证。   现在连相信外星人的都有大把团体,你要写本小说也会有大把人士给你现身说法,令你感谢的,
你来说说哪个是声称有了“不为人知的绝密情报”?
小鸟更关心,韩国那客机到底是不是个阴谋呢??看一些报道很不正常:o
用原子弹报销2个苏军师绝对是假的,那时候苏军已出现兵力不足,开始在全球收缩。

那个美苏空战,我相信是真的。米格29也少部分参战。
苏联是吃了亏,那些国土防空军的su15,空军的米格23,米格25,的确在美军的F15下没有什么优势。
但美国人也赚不了多少,预警机,空中电子机也给干掉不少。
原帖由 白云居士 于 2007-10-25 15:23 发表

这些是什么人啊,当年遇难者们以及怀疑者们组成的团体罢了,我看哪个都没有掌握确凿的证。   现在连相信外星人的都有大把团体,你要写本小说也会有大把人士给你现身说法,令你感谢的,
你来说说哪个是声称有了“不 ...


作者主要是通过走访当事人、知情人,查阅民航方面公开的相关记录进行调查的,没有用什么“不为人知的绝密情报”来搪塞。
想必如果你来写书让人接受你的某种观点,不会用无从查证的所谓“绝密情报”来自圆其说吧?呵呵
如果你对这个事件感兴趣,建议你看看这本书;如果你还没看过这本书,暂不要妄下结论。
作者根据他的调查,在书的第16章中描述了事件的过程。
大家看看他的描述有哪些谬误、漏洞和不可信的地方。
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召唤阴谋党....................
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747的事情发现栏目已经辟过谣了,747为什么会迷航深入苏联境内,KC135的航迹和747的航迹有什么区别,苏联飞行员为什么没有区分出高额头的747,种种以前我认为很值得怀疑的地方都有了很合理的解释!
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第16章结束:D
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你们说的这个好象航空档案2006年11期登过啊,偶十分坚信是假的:D
原帖由 中国邦德 于 2007-10-25 14:17 发表


后面这个绝非谣言~~~

后面这个绝对胡说八道,苏军的摩托化阻击师在作战中的要求就是展开时一颗万吨级核弹无法同时毁伤两个摩托化步兵营,两个师展开你要用多大当量的核弹?再说你从地图上看看新疆的边境地区有啥地方能投下百万吨级氢弹?
偶要回火星了,原来地球的第三次世界大战早打完了呀,NND偶们这边情报太落后了......
原帖由 flankerz 于 2007-10-25 17:41 发表


疑问太多了,就这几个根本不足以说明问题。
事情可以有很多种解释。


像一些民间传得神呼其神的东西,什么美帝打下伊朗客机,老毛子打下棒子客机,探索频道这两年都做过最新的专题片(别看以前旧的专题片),新得片子里面把当年开机攻击的老毛子和他的首长领导都请来了现身说法了(2000年后毛子自己解密了),疑点都讲得和小学课本似得清楚。
原帖由 爱情是什么 于 2007-10-25 19:47 发表


像一些民间传得神呼其神的东西,什么美帝打下伊朗客机,老毛子打下棒子客机,探索频道这两年都做过最新的专题片(别看以前旧的专题片),新得片子里面把当年开机攻击的老毛子和他的首长领导都请来了现身说法了( ...

美国打掉伊朗客机似乎没什么大疑问阿。
还原子弹呢,扯J8谈,我有时候去别的淫者网站看看,我都相信中国特种兵这几年在东南亚消灭了美帝海抱突击队成百上千呢,我也相信许多论坛上的FF都是军内高层人员退下来的,也有可能都国安部长级别的,机密的东西一套套的,许多神迹写得和火车站军事文学书籍似得,都是人才呀。
我考,刷屏啊,贴这么多图
劳资只听说过击落的韩国客机上都是美国间谍
嘿嘿,苏军摩步师展开在多大的范围内啊?嘿嘿
至于我国的撒哈林岛。。。。。呃,这个不是在写玄天九便哈。。。。。。
这个这个,库页岛空战的问题,那个T-10是什么时候推倒重来的来着?