转贴Defense News:苍龙级最后四艘将装备锂电池

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9月底日本防卫省一位发言人表示,10艘苍龙级里的最后四艘引进了锂电池,比起原本的铅酸主蓄电池容量大得多,而主电池提供的潜航速度远高于AIP(5节以内)。这段叙述有个小问题是,第七艘(SS507)苍龙实际上已经到下水阶段(10月8号举行典礼),这一艘还是用传统电池的。文中有叙述说2015年4月将开始建造下一艘(实际上是第八艘)苍龙级,这艘连同未来三艘会采用锂电池;如果是这样,苍龙级就会建造11艘,第8到11艘用锂电池。

苍龙要使用的锂电池是日本杰士电池(GS Yuasa Battery)的产品,该公司先前为波音787提供的燃料电池在ANA与JAL都发生过热起火的情况。目前锂电池火灾潜在危险较高的问题尚无解决。

文中叙述最后几艘苍龙用上锂电池,或许跟要竞争澳洲潜艇案有关。实际上之前日本就打算在苍龙级上开使用锂电池,因为预算等因素而多次延后(澳洲潜艇案可能是促使日本下决心正式采用的原因)。不过澳洲目前对日本决定在苍龙级使用锂电池不做太多评论,因为澳洲潜艇案还没有下达正式决定。

http://www.defensenews.com/article/20140929/DEFREG03/309290032

Japan To Make Major Switch on Sub Propulsion
Lithium-ion Batteries Will Power Soryu-class Boats
Sep. 29, 2014 - 03:45AM

TOKYO — Japan has decided to power its new batch of Soryu-class submarines with Lithium-ion batteries instead of air-independent propulsion (AIP) technology — a move that could raise eyebrows after similar types batteries were faulted for fires aboard the Boeing 787 Dreamliner.

However, experts brush aside those concerns and instead say this type of technological leap increases power and performance, while reducing maintenance. It also could make Japanese subs more marketable overseas.

Yasushi Kojima, a spokesman for the Maritime Self-Defense Force (MSDF), said the change would affect the next four remaining Soryu-class submarines in Japan’s 10-boat class.

Senior officials from Australia, which struck a landmark technology agreement with Japan in June, told Defense News that they are aware of the switch to the Li-ion batteries and that they are still interested in pursuing Japanese sub-building technology, perhaps even purchasing Soryu-class subs outright.

The existing Soryu-class diesel-electric submarines (16SS) use AIP technology based on Kockums Stirling engines license-built by Kawasaki Heavy Industries, allowing them to stay submerged for long periods. The engines power Sweden’s smaller Gotland-class submarines for up to two weeks at 5 knots.

The current Soryu-class submarines are propelled by a large electric motor that has three power sources: diesel engines, the AIP engines and main storage batteries. Diesel engines, which require oxygen for combustion, power the boats on the surface or while snorkeling. The boats can snorkel for extended periods to limit their detectability while transiting submerged (only the snorkel mast is above the water) or for short periods to quickly recharge their batteries after operating underwater. The AIP engines — which burn small quantities of diesel fuel and liquid oxygen — are used for long-range underwater cruising at low speed, and to keep the batteries topped off. The batteries are used for ultra-quiet operation as well as high-speed underwater operations, which quickly depletes them.

By shifting to Lithium-ion batteries, the new Soryus would retain their main propulsion diesels, but be equipped with more powerful and far lower maintenance batteries than lead-acid types widely in use.

The Japanese submarines have become a major item of interest by the Royal Australian Navy, which has launched an AUS $35 billion (US $33 billion) program to replace its six aging, maintenance-heavy Collins-class diesel-electric submarines with a new fleet of larger boats better able to protect vital shipping routes in both the South and East China seas.

This June, following extensive talks between Japanese Defense Minister Itsunori Onodera, Foreign Minister Fumio Kishida and their Australian counterparts, Julie Bishop and David Johnston, Japan and Australia agreed to jointly develop a range of submarine technologies to these ends.

The Australian Defence Ministry had little to say when asked about the battery switch.

“No decision has yet been made on the design and build of the next generation of Australian submarines,” Defence Minister David Johnston said in a statement. “However, there will be more of them — with numbers to be determined through the white paper. As the prime minister has stated, defense acquisitions have to be made on the basis of defense logic, not industry policy nor regional policy.”

Six of 10 Soryu-class submarines — which take about four years to build — for Japan have been completed. Japan’s Defense Ministry has just requested 64.4 billion yen (US $589.5 million) to start building one new 2,900-ton Soryu submarine from April 2015, and this — and three other boats — will use Lithium-ion batteries.

The twist comes with the news that the Li-ion batteries for the Soryu subs are to be provided by GS Yuasa Battery, the same supplier of the problematical batteries used on Boeing’s 787 Dreamliners, which have experienced a series of alarming and difficult-to-solve safety issues. Fires and other concerns led both Japan Airlines and All Nippon Airlines to ground fleets in January 2013, causing — for the first time since 1979 — the US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) to ground all 787s flying with US airlines.

Despite best efforts and ongoing investigations in the US and Japan led by the FAA, Japan Airlines this January reported further fires and meltdowns.

Discounting local media reports that Australia was close to committing itself to buying Soryu-class submarines with AIP technology, naval experts have downplayed concerns with the use of the new technology, saying, instead, it was more likely a deal-maker than a deal-breaker.

Alessio Patalano, an expert on Japan’s Navy at the Department of War Studies at Kings College in London, said the military had been looking at different options in terms of propulsion systems since the early 1990s and that AIP was first studied because fuel cells and Li-ion batteries were because the technology was not sufficiently mature.

“Given that submarines are the tip of the sword of Japan’s military posture … speed and endurance are central to submarine operations and a propulsion system that can offer increased performance in those areas is particularly attractive to the Japanese Navy,” he said.

For the Navy, Kojima said AIP technology, which reduces the speed of submerged submarines to just a few knots, is being increasingly seen as too slow for emerging strategic uses and that the Navy regards AIP as maintenance intensive. Improvements in batteries make this technology the better long-term bet.

Bob Nugent, a consultant at naval consulting firm AMI International, said it is “plausible” that going to Li-ion batteries will provide more speed and power.

The Soryu-class is about one-third larger than most European subs that use AIP technology, he said, adding the increased power and energy density of the batteries would allow for longer cruise and sprint bursts of speed.

“Li-ion-based chemistry could not be made perfectly safe from the thermal runaway issues that have received heavy publicity,” Nugent said. “There are some other options such as fuel cells/AIP, and ultracapacitors, but those also bring with them some technical risk.”

Nugent said Australia also has challenging range and power requirements, so Australia could actually have a shared interest in alternative propulsion design options.

Guy Stitt, AMI International’s president, added that the Japanese Navy is highly capable and risk-averse and that the decision to use the technology would actually represent a “leap forward” in submarine power and that could introduce important operational improvements.

“They are giving up a secondary power generation device by removing the AIP. In exchange, they intend to enlarge and extend their current power storage devices by going from lead-acid batteries to Lithium-ion batteries,” Stitt said. “Lithium-ion batteries offer much greater energy density than current lead-acid batteries. They will have to develop some redundant safety electronics as well to monitor the stability of each battery cell.”

Stitt added that the Royal Australian Navy is “a long way from making procurement decisions” on its future submarine program, and if the Japanese Navy does well enough, many other navies would be looking at procuring the Japanese solution because of the extended range and longer operational time underwater that the new battery based system potentially offered.

Patalano added that “the Japanese are at the forefront of large conventional submarine development. This is a niche market but one with great potential for environmental and operational reasons.

“It is in Australian interests to be involved in this. In turn, the prospects of enhanced performance from a platform that features already excellent standards will make any submarine deal with Australia more interesting.” 9月底日本防卫省一位发言人表示,10艘苍龙级里的最后四艘引进了锂电池,比起原本的铅酸主蓄电池容量大得多,而主电池提供的潜航速度远高于AIP(5节以内)。这段叙述有个小问题是,第七艘(SS507)苍龙实际上已经到下水阶段(10月8号举行典礼),这一艘还是用传统电池的。文中有叙述说2015年4月将开始建造下一艘(实际上是第八艘)苍龙级,这艘连同未来三艘会采用锂电池;如果是这样,苍龙级就会建造11艘,第8到11艘用锂电池。

苍龙要使用的锂电池是日本杰士电池(GS Yuasa Battery)的产品,该公司先前为波音787提供的燃料电池在ANA与JAL都发生过热起火的情况。目前锂电池火灾潜在危险较高的问题尚无解决。

文中叙述最后几艘苍龙用上锂电池,或许跟要竞争澳洲潜艇案有关。实际上之前日本就打算在苍龙级上开使用锂电池,因为预算等因素而多次延后(澳洲潜艇案可能是促使日本下决心正式采用的原因)。不过澳洲目前对日本决定在苍龙级使用锂电池不做太多评论,因为澳洲潜艇案还没有下达正式决定。

http://www.defensenews.com/article/20140929/DEFREG03/309290032

Japan To Make Major Switch on Sub Propulsion
Lithium-ion Batteries Will Power Soryu-class Boats
Sep. 29, 2014 - 03:45AM

TOKYO — Japan has decided to power its new batch of Soryu-class submarines with Lithium-ion batteries instead of air-independent propulsion (AIP) technology — a move that could raise eyebrows after similar types batteries were faulted for fires aboard the Boeing 787 Dreamliner.

However, experts brush aside those concerns and instead say this type of technological leap increases power and performance, while reducing maintenance. It also could make Japanese subs more marketable overseas.

Yasushi Kojima, a spokesman for the Maritime Self-Defense Force (MSDF), said the change would affect the next four remaining Soryu-class submarines in Japan’s 10-boat class.

Senior officials from Australia, which struck a landmark technology agreement with Japan in June, told Defense News that they are aware of the switch to the Li-ion batteries and that they are still interested in pursuing Japanese sub-building technology, perhaps even purchasing Soryu-class subs outright.

The existing Soryu-class diesel-electric submarines (16SS) use AIP technology based on Kockums Stirling engines license-built by Kawasaki Heavy Industries, allowing them to stay submerged for long periods. The engines power Sweden’s smaller Gotland-class submarines for up to two weeks at 5 knots.

The current Soryu-class submarines are propelled by a large electric motor that has three power sources: diesel engines, the AIP engines and main storage batteries. Diesel engines, which require oxygen for combustion, power the boats on the surface or while snorkeling. The boats can snorkel for extended periods to limit their detectability while transiting submerged (only the snorkel mast is above the water) or for short periods to quickly recharge their batteries after operating underwater. The AIP engines — which burn small quantities of diesel fuel and liquid oxygen — are used for long-range underwater cruising at low speed, and to keep the batteries topped off. The batteries are used for ultra-quiet operation as well as high-speed underwater operations, which quickly depletes them.

By shifting to Lithium-ion batteries, the new Soryus would retain their main propulsion diesels, but be equipped with more powerful and far lower maintenance batteries than lead-acid types widely in use.

The Japanese submarines have become a major item of interest by the Royal Australian Navy, which has launched an AUS $35 billion (US $33 billion) program to replace its six aging, maintenance-heavy Collins-class diesel-electric submarines with a new fleet of larger boats better able to protect vital shipping routes in both the South and East China seas.

This June, following extensive talks between Japanese Defense Minister Itsunori Onodera, Foreign Minister Fumio Kishida and their Australian counterparts, Julie Bishop and David Johnston, Japan and Australia agreed to jointly develop a range of submarine technologies to these ends.

The Australian Defence Ministry had little to say when asked about the battery switch.

“No decision has yet been made on the design and build of the next generation of Australian submarines,” Defence Minister David Johnston said in a statement. “However, there will be more of them — with numbers to be determined through the white paper. As the prime minister has stated, defense acquisitions have to be made on the basis of defense logic, not industry policy nor regional policy.”

Six of 10 Soryu-class submarines — which take about four years to build — for Japan have been completed. Japan’s Defense Ministry has just requested 64.4 billion yen (US $589.5 million) to start building one new 2,900-ton Soryu submarine from April 2015, and this — and three other boats — will use Lithium-ion batteries.

The twist comes with the news that the Li-ion batteries for the Soryu subs are to be provided by GS Yuasa Battery, the same supplier of the problematical batteries used on Boeing’s 787 Dreamliners, which have experienced a series of alarming and difficult-to-solve safety issues. Fires and other concerns led both Japan Airlines and All Nippon Airlines to ground fleets in January 2013, causing — for the first time since 1979 — the US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) to ground all 787s flying with US airlines.

Despite best efforts and ongoing investigations in the US and Japan led by the FAA, Japan Airlines this January reported further fires and meltdowns.

Discounting local media reports that Australia was close to committing itself to buying Soryu-class submarines with AIP technology, naval experts have downplayed concerns with the use of the new technology, saying, instead, it was more likely a deal-maker than a deal-breaker.

Alessio Patalano, an expert on Japan’s Navy at the Department of War Studies at Kings College in London, said the military had been looking at different options in terms of propulsion systems since the early 1990s and that AIP was first studied because fuel cells and Li-ion batteries were because the technology was not sufficiently mature.

“Given that submarines are the tip of the sword of Japan’s military posture … speed and endurance are central to submarine operations and a propulsion system that can offer increased performance in those areas is particularly attractive to the Japanese Navy,” he said.

For the Navy, Kojima said AIP technology, which reduces the speed of submerged submarines to just a few knots, is being increasingly seen as too slow for emerging strategic uses and that the Navy regards AIP as maintenance intensive. Improvements in batteries make this technology the better long-term bet.

Bob Nugent, a consultant at naval consulting firm AMI International, said it is “plausible” that going to Li-ion batteries will provide more speed and power.

The Soryu-class is about one-third larger than most European subs that use AIP technology, he said, adding the increased power and energy density of the batteries would allow for longer cruise and sprint bursts of speed.

“Li-ion-based chemistry could not be made perfectly safe from the thermal runaway issues that have received heavy publicity,” Nugent said. “There are some other options such as fuel cells/AIP, and ultracapacitors, but those also bring with them some technical risk.”

Nugent said Australia also has challenging range and power requirements, so Australia could actually have a shared interest in alternative propulsion design options.

Guy Stitt, AMI International’s president, added that the Japanese Navy is highly capable and risk-averse and that the decision to use the technology would actually represent a “leap forward” in submarine power and that could introduce important operational improvements.

“They are giving up a secondary power generation device by removing the AIP. In exchange, they intend to enlarge and extend their current power storage devices by going from lead-acid batteries to Lithium-ion batteries,” Stitt said. “Lithium-ion batteries offer much greater energy density than current lead-acid batteries. They will have to develop some redundant safety electronics as well to monitor the stability of each battery cell.”

Stitt added that the Royal Australian Navy is “a long way from making procurement decisions” on its future submarine program, and if the Japanese Navy does well enough, many other navies would be looking at procuring the Japanese solution because of the extended range and longer operational time underwater that the new battery based system potentially offered.

Patalano added that “the Japanese are at the forefront of large conventional submarine development. This is a niche market but one with great potential for environmental and operational reasons.

“It is in Australian interests to be involved in this. In turn, the prospects of enhanced performance from a platform that features already excellent standards will make any submarine deal with Australia more interesting.”
BYD?
BYD铁电池?
锂电池比常规电池有哪些优点,和铅酸电池比较,体积不变的话,容量提高多少?铅酸电池也有分代的吧?比如212上的铅酸电池性能如何?请大神科普。容量提高多少?
舰船知识提过,德国216和新加坡订购的218均会采用聚合物锂电池,,和日本的这个锂电池有什么不同?
是用在索尼笔记本上的锂电池吗?听说爆炸效果不错。
787啊787,赠送烟雾效果呢!
锂电池跟燃料电池相比,各有什么优缺点?
锂电池跟燃料电池相比,各有什么优缺点?


如果锂电池的能量和功率密度是铅酸电池的十倍左右,而且解决了带来的一系列问题,这样做就很有效率,

如果锂电池的能量和功率密度是铅酸电池的十倍左右,而且解决了带来的一系列问题,这样做就很有效率,
就算是铁锂,只是燃烧的可能性低一点,但是循环寿命要比其他类型锂电低。而且万一舱室漏水,锂电可就惨了
其实,日本人也很清楚,核潜艇才是王道。
超大容量电容才是王道!
最好的aip是核动力
碧海散人 发表于 2014-10-4 08:48
锂电池比常规电池有哪些优点,和铅酸电池比较,体积不变的话,容量提高多少?铅酸电池也有分代的吧?比如21 ...
铅酸电池比能量是40,理论上锂电池可以做到它的四倍以上,用铅酸电池的常规潜艇的巡航能力是400海里/4节/100小时,换做锂电池,可以做到1600海里/4节/400小时,与现在AIP常规潜艇相当。
土共也以将锂电池堆用在了水中兵器上。
fireze 发表于 2014-10-4 10:02
锂电池跟燃料电池相比,各有什么优缺点?
锂电池可以做高容量的储电池,而燃料电池则需要加燃料,如氢和氧,因此使用燃料电池还需要氢和氧储存装置,而锂电池主要是安全问题
fireze 发表于 2014-10-4 10:02
锂电池跟燃料电池相比,各有什么优缺点?
TSL 烧车不解释~
锂电池可以做高容量的储电池,而燃料电池则需要加燃料,如氢和氧,因此使用燃料电池还需要氢和氧储存装置 ...
那也就是说,现阶段锂电池相对于燃料电池对损管系统要求更高?
要充电宝不?
真敢作死上锂电啊。话说在动力锂电池这块,本子和兔子走的是不同的技术路线。但锂电池上潜艇……这胆子太肥了。787的电池当时测试的时候可是要求用子弹击穿不燃的,而且也完成了测试。问题在实际使用中完全是两码事情了。
斯特林已经落伍了
铅酸电池比能量是40,理论上锂电池可以做到它的四倍以上,用铅酸电池的常规潜艇的巡航能力是400海里/4节/ ...
国内是把锂电池用在电动鱼雷上头吧?
做死,一烧就停不下来。
碧海散人 发表于 2014-10-4 19:04
国内是把锂电池用在电动鱼雷上头吧?
电动鱼雷上是银锌电池。
锂电池还是铁锂电池,这是个问题
我们是要成为海贼王的男人!!!!
这是对斯特林发动机不满意而燃料电池进展不大的节奏么?
用了锂电池就不需要AIP系统了吧?本子是想向特斯拉买电池管理技术?
cooleye 发表于 2014-10-4 19:26
我们是要成为海贼王的男人!!!!
海贼王是女的?
liuchaojiann 发表于 2014-10-4 14:21
铅酸电池比能量是40,理论上锂电池可以做到它的四倍以上,用铅酸电池的常规潜艇的巡航能力是400海里/4节/ ...
你那是重量能量密度,其实体积能量密度就是2倍的关系。
被封了... 发表于 2014-10-4 20:20
海贼王是女的?
啥?
锂电池能量密度大,但是大电流放电能力比不上铅蒜蓄电池
还是酸素可靠啊
我记得早上我看了一个视频说小日本的燃料电池很牛掰呢?问一下,燃料电池电用完了是充电还是加料呢?
以后tg拉出去打的大概清一色的核鱼了。居高临下的目光下,大家的讨论和谐了很多。
我记得早上我看了一个视频说小日本的燃料电池很牛掰呢?问一下,燃料电池电用完了是充电还是加料呢?
加燃料,其实把它当作高端一点的氢气燃烧装置来理解就行了
wjh8848 发表于 2014-10-4 08:44
BYD铁电池?
锂聚合物 能量密度 高于铁电池
但是爆炸威力嘛,好像比TNT差点
我想起陆奥号的第三炮塔了。。。
铅酸电池比能量是40,理论上锂电池可以做到它的四倍以上,用铅酸电池的常规潜艇的巡航能力是400海里/4节/ ...
实际没那么乐观,体积能量的话也就一倍,而且锂电大电流放电能力不是很好,后期必须低电流放电才能达到2倍。此外锂电耐用性差一些,更容易过放,一旦电池组里有一个过放了,整个电池组会受到极大影响。不过无论如何,还是强于铅酸
啥?
假设海贼王为女,你要成为海贼王的男人,那就娶她吧,假设海贼王为男,你又要成为海贼王的人,请捡肥皂。
锂电池如果漏出氢气,在艇内爆炸,那个是喜闻乐见的。