比美军还金贵的以军18人是怎样牺牲的?

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上一次大规模的(祖宗级)地面遭遇战不知道要追溯到哪一战了?地面遭遇战和伤亡是同义词,所以一直是现代作战能避就免的。
比美军还金贵的以军好像没的选择地开打了,情况如何?





8日开始的“护刃行动进入第14天,以色列方面表示,自从周六对加沙地带进行地面攻击以来,已经有13名士兵丧生,该国士兵自从对加沙行动开始以来死亡人数共达到18人。对比报道的65(发稿时已经增加到87)名阵亡的巴人(可能有平民)13:65=1:5(情况比79年的好,但以军有绝对的空中支援。)

哈马斯宣布抓获一名以色列士兵,但以驻联合国大使否认。

When their troops went in, Israeli military officers say, they were surprised by the tenacity, training and weaponry of their opponents. They said Israeli soldiers were repeatedly hit by Gaza militants firing from windows, employing land mines and setting booby traps.
以色列被对手的坚韧,训练和他们的武器所惊讶,他们不断被从窗口冷枪,地雷和陷阱袭击。
“It was a very hard battle there,” a senior Israeli military official said. “I have to admit that we were facing good fighters from the other side.”
以至一以军高官也说碰到了对手。
“They knew exactly when and where to wait for us,” said the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of military protocol.
他们知道在那里何时等着我们。
Hamas militants, he added, were better fighters than the Israelis had anticipated. They were “highly trained” and “very well equipped” with sophisticated weapons systems. They accurately fired light and heavy weapons, including mortars, at the Israeli forces while “setting up a lot of booby traps,” he said.
哈马斯比以军更善战。
More than 77 soldiers have entered hospitals countrywide, some of them seriously wounded.
以军还有多达77名伤者,包括重伤员。
The 13 Israeli soldiers were killed in several separate incidents in Shijaiya, including gun battles and rocket attacks. In the deadliest, Gaza fighters detonated a bomb near an armored personnel carrier, killing seven soldiers inside, the army said. In another incident, three soldiers were killed when they became trapped in a burning building, it said.
日亡的13人中,7人在运兵车中被炸死,3人被困死在一座着火的建筑。
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wo ... cc0c7d23_story.html
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28392636
http://www.washingtonpost.com/na ... 09ac1f9d_story.html上一次大规模的(祖宗级)地面遭遇战不知道要追溯到哪一战了?地面遭遇战和伤亡是同义词,所以一直是现代作战能避就免的。
比美军还金贵的以军好像没的选择地开打了,情况如何?





8日开始的“护刃行动进入第14天,以色列方面表示,自从周六对加沙地带进行地面攻击以来,已经有13名士兵丧生,该国士兵自从对加沙行动开始以来死亡人数共达到18人。对比报道的65(发稿时已经增加到87)名阵亡的巴人(可能有平民)13:65=1:5(情况比79年的好,但以军有绝对的空中支援。)

哈马斯宣布抓获一名以色列士兵,但以驻联合国大使否认。

When their troops went in, Israeli military officers say, they were surprised by the tenacity, training and weaponry of their opponents. They said Israeli soldiers were repeatedly hit by Gaza militants firing from windows, employing land mines and setting booby traps.
以色列被对手的坚韧,训练和他们的武器所惊讶,他们不断被从窗口冷枪,地雷和陷阱袭击。
“It was a very hard battle there,” a senior Israeli military official said. “I have to admit that we were facing good fighters from the other side.”
以至一以军高官也说碰到了对手。
“They knew exactly when and where to wait for us,” said the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of military protocol.
他们知道在那里何时等着我们。
Hamas militants, he added, were better fighters than the Israelis had anticipated. They were “highly trained” and “very well equipped” with sophisticated weapons systems. They accurately fired light and heavy weapons, including mortars, at the Israeli forces while “setting up a lot of booby traps,” he said.
哈马斯比以军更善战。
More than 77 soldiers have entered hospitals countrywide, some of them seriously wounded.
以军还有多达77名伤者,包括重伤员。
The 13 Israeli soldiers were killed in several separate incidents in Shijaiya, including gun battles and rocket attacks. In the deadliest, Gaza fighters detonated a bomb near an armored personnel carrier, killing seven soldiers inside, the army said. In another incident, three soldiers were killed when they became trapped in a burning building, it said.
日亡的13人中,7人在运兵车中被炸死,3人被困死在一座着火的建筑。
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wo ... cc0c7d23_story.html
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28392636
http://www.washingtonpost.com/na ... 09ac1f9d_story.html
Seven more Israeli soldiers were killed in fierce fighting Monday, bringing the Israeli military toll to 25 dead, more than twice as many as in Israel’s last Gaza ground incursion in 2009 and the highest toll since Israel’s war with Lebanon in 2006. Two Israeli civilians have died in the conflict.

以军星期一又有七人死亡,18+7=25了。

地道,兔子们,居民点的地道,空中行动作用不大的。

The Israeli military said that at least four of its soldiers were killed in a firefight with Hamas militants who sneaked into Israel through a tunnel from northern Gaza. Ten Gaza militants died in the exchange, a military spokesman said, and another underground infiltration attempt by Hamas was repelled by an Israeli airstrike.

至少四人死于和10名通过地道潜入以境的哈马斯的交火中。4:10更惨了。


以军再损两人,27,军方官数183对手被杀,27:183=1:15
Two more soldiers killed in Gaza, bringing IDF fatalities up to 27。IDF destroys 23 tunnels, kills 183 terrorists since start of the ground operation; suspected terror attack in Nablus leaves Israeli seriously wounded; IDF intercepts arms shipment in Dead Sea.

卫星可见地道有60+,不包括重叠/多层/未被发现的,已摧毁23条.
http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/Two-more-soldiers-killed-bringing-IDF-casualties-up-to-27-368407
以一国防部官员告诉美联社,一名士兵失踪。
The defense official told The Associated Press the soldier went missing after a deadly battle in Gaza over the weekend and it was not immediately clear if he was dead or alive. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the incident with media.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/gaza-death-toll-rises-as-truce-effort-intensifies/2014/07/21/524e2a04-113f-11e4-ac56-773e54a65906_story.html
以军这回有顾忌了:

Oron Shaul不知生死,他是之前被报道被炸死在运兵车里的7人之一,其余6人的遗体都找到了,唯独缺他。
哈马斯就展示过他的证件和军牌,但没有相关照片。
http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/IDF-soldier-missing-in-Gaza-reportedly-presumed-dead-368420

不管怎样,这都让以军处于被动了,以军的不放弃理念在过去已经付出高昂代价:
In 2008, Israel released five Lebanese militants in exchange for the remains of two soldiers killed in the 2006 Lebanon war.

Also in 2006, Hamas-allied militants seized an Israeli soldier in a cross-border raid and held him captive in Gaza until Israel traded more than 1,000 Palestinian prisoners for his return in 2011.

2008年,以军用5个黎巴嫩军人换回两具黎以战争时以军遗骸;2011年,哈马斯用一名以军换回了1000多名巴勒斯坦囚犯。。。
打仗不死人那叫打仗么?况且巷战基本上不可能不死人,一个冷枪就能干掉一个,一个手雷可以挂一群。
还有少看好莱坞电影,第一滴血这种片子就是反人类的。
以色列看来就不该打巷战.....
上回收拾真主党几乎也是无功而返.......
继续慢慢炸比较合适....
这13人之内就有两个美国人,没法计算贵贱。
巴勒斯坦对付以色列的最强手段就是以放弃建国为代价,要求全员并入以色列,然后衣食住行医疗教育全部赖在犹太人身上,等以色列经济崩溃了,再闹颜色革命要求独立,哈哈哈
打仗要死人的概念也要与时俱进了。
开战方不死人,死少人都已经演绎在最近的战争中了。

没有防护装备,没有装甲车,没有空中支援,没有情报配合,打巷战=找死
zeus 发表于 2014-7-21 12:50
巴勒斯坦对付以色列的最强手段就是以放弃建国为代价,要求全员并入以色列,然后衣食住行医疗教育全部赖在犹 ...
艾码,这招太狠了!可以有~~~
兰博 是开挂的,实战是军事装备及素养的体现,能者生存!
巴勒斯坦对付以色列的最强手段就是以放弃建国为代价,要求全员并入以色列,然后衣食住行医疗教育全部赖在犹 ...
高,,,实在是高
巴勒斯坦对付以色列的最强手段就是以放弃建国为代价,要求全员并入以色列,然后衣食住行医疗教育全部赖在犹 ...
包皮更狠直接强制给移民打绝育针←_←
lonqixia 发表于 2014-7-21 12:56
没有防护装备,没有装甲车,没有空中支援,没有情报配合,打巷战=找死
以军有防护装备,有装甲车,有空中支援,有情报配合,打巷战头两天也是焦头难额。

持久战,巷战----〉强军陨落战。
以色列这是妥妥的要玩死自己的节奏呀
以色列应该采取平推战术,在房子之间打洞,不走大路。或者学土鳖打越南,开战后把老百姓吓唬走,然后直接一顿火炮把城市轰平了事~。
大卫神话破灭,以后不好谈了,
飞机炸一顿就得了,非要搞地面进攻,还是巷战。现在不是赎罪日战争那种生死存亡关头,民众对伤亡的耐受很低,把自己搞被动了。
裸奔带电 发表于 2014-7-21 13:08
包皮更狠直接强制给移民打绝育针←_←
阉了不就行了,这么麻烦
diver18 发表于 2014-7-21 12:52
打仗要死人的概念也要与时俱进了。
开战方不死人,死少人都已经演绎在最近的战争中了。
如果对手是个有担当的机构,比如政府之类的,那么受到一定的打击会选择妥协,毕竟要对人民的生命财产负责任。但是像哈马斯之流,跟以色列死磕是唯一的目的,人民安居乐业不是他们的选择。那么手段就会无所不用其极。不死人的战争那是奢望。不动用地面部队,那么是根本就不行的。
不死人只能靠机器人了
Many of their comrades weren't so fortunate: Three were killed, including a deputy battalion commander, and many others were in critical condition. Ten other 10 Golani soldiers died in a separate battle in the Gaza neighborhood of Shajaiyeh.

以色列精锐戈兰旅损伤惨重,十个兵加三兵头(其中一副营长)。。。
夜行衣 发表于 2014-7-21 13:21
以色列应该采取平推战术,在房子之间打洞,不走大路。或者学土鳖打越南,开战后把老百姓吓唬走,然后直接一 ...
直接把城轰平才是正道
打巷战,,,,这是拿人命去堆的
这真不是个好消息
把巴勒斯坦市区轰平需要b52多少架次 炸弹他娘多少颗 50颗够了吧
巷战还真不好打,完全摧毁也会剩下断壁残垣,如果还是封建时代就好办了,首先当时没有城市,再着可以换种
zeus 发表于 2014-7-21 12:50
巴勒斯坦对付以色列的最强手段就是以放弃建国为代价,要求全员并入以色列,然后衣食住行医疗教育全部赖在犹 ...
那就是绿色革命了
happyDummy 发表于 2014-7-21 12:58
艾码,这招太狠了!可以有~~~
其实这一招,只要放弃面子,铁定能赢
打仗要死人的概念也要与时俱进了。
开战方不死人,死少人都已经演绎在最近的战争中了。
314海战首开打仗不死人的记录
coolmaster 发表于 2014-7-21 14:16
314海战首开打仗不死人的记录
法军那仗好像也没casualty.
Swift80 发表于 2014-7-21 14:15
其实这一招,只要放弃面子,铁定能赢
糖衣毒药计划,以色列应该会上钩,只是哈马斯等激进份子会有偶这么聪明咩?
哈马斯隧道比火箭威胁更甚,这是以军开地面站的主要原因,但也能超出想象的惨烈。


这些深入地下,散于民居的隧道被炸九天也损失不大的。
夜行衣 发表于 2014-7-21 13:21
以色列应该采取平推战术,在房子之间打洞,不走大路。或者学土鳖打越南,开战后把老百姓吓唬走,然后直接一 ...
你说的这些,以色列都会,蛤蟆死也都见识过…………
智动铅笔 发表于 2014-7-21 15:20
你说的这些,以色列都会,蛤蟆死也都见识过…………
但是他们却没有胆量去大规模实施,以色列进行的战斗,更像是扫荡一样,点对点的,只是小规模的进行,可能兵力不足吧,没什么用的。
看热闹不怕事大 死多点
应该学毛子第二次对车臣,D-30,BM-21慢慢犁地,反正加沙也不大,地图上划分方格,各炮兵营包干,犁平为止
zeus 发表于 2014-7-21 12:50
巴勒斯坦对付以色列的最强手段就是以放弃建国为代价,要求全员并入以色列,然后衣食住行医疗教育全部赖在犹 ...
加沙集中营不是摆设。
zeus 发表于 2014-7-21 12:50
巴勒斯坦对付以色列的最强手段就是以放弃建国为代价,要求全员并入以色列,然后衣食住行医疗教育全部赖在犹 ...
以色列现在800万人口,其中已经有超过20%的阿拉伯人啦。以国内阿拉伯人拼命生,以政府就拼命从东欧、北非等地移民,所以必须要在约旦河西岸使劲儿新建居民点儿,蚕食划给巴勒斯坦的地盘儿。这个问题还真是无解。
俺现在没搞明白的是,以色列籍阿拉伯人服兵役么?
直接平推,建筑全部推掉,步步为营。
他们的命就金贵,别人的就随便死?