中巴联合空军演习:J11不敌JF-17

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http://defence.pk/threads/pakist ... 14-exercise.312694/

  Interview: Air Commodore Khalid Mehmood, Deputy Chief Project Director, JF-17 Programme, Pakistan Air Force

  Author:Tomislav Mesaric, Zagreb

  Last posted:2013-03-21

  In Pakistan the JF-17 combat aircraft programme, conducted as a joint venture with China, is a matter of national pride, with the aircraft on track to become the backbone of the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) for decades to come.

  "Two years ago we had only one JF-17 Squadron with 20 aircraft, but now we have two," said Air Commodore Khalid Mehmood, who was posted to become the programme's deputy director when the aircraft was still on the drawing board.

  "Both squadrons are completely operational, while one of the two squadrons has two roles: conversion and operational training. We are about to raise the third squadron, but we still haven't decided which one that will be," said Air Cdre Khalid. "Around 40 JF-17s are flying at the moment, with the last few from Block I in the final stages of assembly.

  "Production started with a small batch of aircraft we used for maturity of the production processes and for the assessment of operational capability and fine tuning of the aircraft," he said. "Based on that and the capability enhancements we introduced in the Block I, we will start with production of Block II. The difference will mostly be in capabilities, production technologies, avionics and some maintenance facilitation for the ground crew.

  "As far as manufacturing tempo is concerned," noted the air commodore, "we are matching the retirement tempo of the air force's older types, regulating the induction of JF-17s according to the air force's demands."

  Regarding the JF-17's operational capabilities, IHS Jane's understands that the PAF has the necessary sources codes to integrate weapons onto the aircraft. Air Cdre Khalid confirmed that the PAF has the capability for weapons integration, stating: "We can buy a weapon on the free market and integrate it on the JF-17 on our own and in-country. We have a team of flight test engineers and pilots that form the flight test group as a separate unit."

  When the JF-17 first entered service it only flew with PL-5EII within-visual-range air-to-air missiles (AAMs) and fuel tanks, but the aircraft is now flying with SD-10 beyond-visual-range AAMs, C-802A anti-ship missiles, an electronic warfare pod and several types of general-purpose and precision-guided bombs. "We are using a combination of weapons of different origins," the air commodore noted.

  When it comes to the maintenance the PAF has operational (O), intermediate (I) and depot (D) levels, just like in the West. "Since the JF-17 is a new aircraft we haven't performed any D-level maintenance on it yet, but we are in a process of establishing a component D-level capability," he said.

  Regarding the JF-17's RD-93 powerplant, Air Cdre Khalid vouched for it being a very robust engine. "We have flown it for 7,000 hours without a problem," he said.

  While the Chinese are reportedly working on a replacement powerplant for the JF-17, the PAF seems happy that solid agreements are in place between the Chinese and original Russian designers of the RD-93 to guarantee the supply of enough engines for its needs.

  At the moment the JF-17 is already qualified for quick-reaction alert duty. "We have IFF on board, so we can go straight up and shoot at the enemy," said Air Cdre Khalid. In standard configuration the JF-17 carries two PL-5EII missiles, two SD-10 missiles and two or three fuel tanks. "The aircraft could have the capability to carry four SD-10 missiles," he noted, "but we decided to pursue the present configuration. The digital weapon interface is on all hard points, which gives us a lot of flexibility for weapons carriage."

  So far the JF-17 has not seen real combat, but the type has participated in a number of exercises. "We have very good experience in dissimilar combat against different types of aircraft in multi-bogey environments," said the air commodore.

  During air combat manoeuvres with the People's Liberation Army Air Force, for example, PAF JF-17s were pitched against Chinese Su-27s in a number of scenarios and reportedly achieved favourable results.

  With regard to flight training, Air Cdre Khalid said the JF-17 is "very easy to fly - even easier than the F-16 - so pilot training is not heavily dependent upon a two-seat version. We designed it with the concept that we will have a good simulator. The Chinese have extensive experience with simulators, so we decided to go with them. However, if some customer wants the two-seat version, plans for production are at a very advanced stage.

  "For international sales we have joint sales and marketing with our Chinese friends. It doesn't necessarily mean we all have to sit together on every meeting, but the Chinese side will always know what we are negotiating and we will always know what they are negotiating," noted the air commodore, adding that he saw co-operation on the programme between the two countries as being "exemplary".

  "The first thing the new customer has to do is to decide which configuration of the aircraft they want," said Air Cdre Khalid. "The JF-17 is produced in Pakistan Aeronautical Complex in Kamra, so we can provide everything from manufacturing to documentation and even help with the induction of the aircraft into operational service."

  Air Commodore Khalid Mehmood, JF-17 Programme Deputy Chief Project Director, Pakistan Air Force (PAF)

  JDW


刚在巴基斯坦论坛淘到的消息



http://defence.pk/threads/pakist ... 14-exercise.312694/

  Interview: Air Commodore Khalid Mehmood, Deputy Chief Project Director, JF-17 Programme, Pakistan Air Force

  Author:Tomislav Mesaric, Zagreb

  Last posted:2013-03-21

  In Pakistan the JF-17 combat aircraft programme, conducted as a joint venture with China, is a matter of national pride, with the aircraft on track to become the backbone of the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) for decades to come.

  "Two years ago we had only one JF-17 Squadron with 20 aircraft, but now we have two," said Air Commodore Khalid Mehmood, who was posted to become the programme's deputy director when the aircraft was still on the drawing board.

  "Both squadrons are completely operational, while one of the two squadrons has two roles: conversion and operational training. We are about to raise the third squadron, but we still haven't decided which one that will be," said Air Cdre Khalid. "Around 40 JF-17s are flying at the moment, with the last few from Block I in the final stages of assembly.

  "Production started with a small batch of aircraft we used for maturity of the production processes and for the assessment of operational capability and fine tuning of the aircraft," he said. "Based on that and the capability enhancements we introduced in the Block I, we will start with production of Block II. The difference will mostly be in capabilities, production technologies, avionics and some maintenance facilitation for the ground crew.

  "As far as manufacturing tempo is concerned," noted the air commodore, "we are matching the retirement tempo of the air force's older types, regulating the induction of JF-17s according to the air force's demands."

  Regarding the JF-17's operational capabilities, IHS Jane's understands that the PAF has the necessary sources codes to integrate weapons onto the aircraft. Air Cdre Khalid confirmed that the PAF has the capability for weapons integration, stating: "We can buy a weapon on the free market and integrate it on the JF-17 on our own and in-country. We have a team of flight test engineers and pilots that form the flight test group as a separate unit."

  When the JF-17 first entered service it only flew with PL-5EII within-visual-range air-to-air missiles (AAMs) and fuel tanks, but the aircraft is now flying with SD-10 beyond-visual-range AAMs, C-802A anti-ship missiles, an electronic warfare pod and several types of general-purpose and precision-guided bombs. "We are using a combination of weapons of different origins," the air commodore noted.

  When it comes to the maintenance the PAF has operational (O), intermediate (I) and depot (D) levels, just like in the West. "Since the JF-17 is a new aircraft we haven't performed any D-level maintenance on it yet, but we are in a process of establishing a component D-level capability," he said.

  Regarding the JF-17's RD-93 powerplant, Air Cdre Khalid vouched for it being a very robust engine. "We have flown it for 7,000 hours without a problem," he said.

  While the Chinese are reportedly working on a replacement powerplant for the JF-17, the PAF seems happy that solid agreements are in place between the Chinese and original Russian designers of the RD-93 to guarantee the supply of enough engines for its needs.

  At the moment the JF-17 is already qualified for quick-reaction alert duty. "We have IFF on board, so we can go straight up and shoot at the enemy," said Air Cdre Khalid. In standard configuration the JF-17 carries two PL-5EII missiles, two SD-10 missiles and two or three fuel tanks. "The aircraft could have the capability to carry four SD-10 missiles," he noted, "but we decided to pursue the present configuration. The digital weapon interface is on all hard points, which gives us a lot of flexibility for weapons carriage."

  So far the JF-17 has not seen real combat, but the type has participated in a number of exercises. "We have very good experience in dissimilar combat against different types of aircraft in multi-bogey environments," said the air commodore.

  During air combat manoeuvres with the People's Liberation Army Air Force, for example, PAF JF-17s were pitched against Chinese Su-27s in a number of scenarios and reportedly achieved favourable results.

  With regard to flight training, Air Cdre Khalid said the JF-17 is "very easy to fly - even easier than the F-16 - so pilot training is not heavily dependent upon a two-seat version. We designed it with the concept that we will have a good simulator. The Chinese have extensive experience with simulators, so we decided to go with them. However, if some customer wants the two-seat version, plans for production are at a very advanced stage.

  "For international sales we have joint sales and marketing with our Chinese friends. It doesn't necessarily mean we all have to sit together on every meeting, but the Chinese side will always know what we are negotiating and we will always know what they are negotiating," noted the air commodore, adding that he saw co-operation on the programme between the two countries as being "exemplary".

  "The first thing the new customer has to do is to decide which configuration of the aircraft they want," said Air Cdre Khalid. "The JF-17 is produced in Pakistan Aeronautical Complex in Kamra, so we can provide everything from manufacturing to documentation and even help with the induction of the aircraft into operational service."

  Air Commodore Khalid Mehmood, JF-17 Programme Deputy Chief Project Director, Pakistan Air Force (PAF)

  JDW
充分体现了TG的国际主义精神……
不过好像没说胜负吧
没有去J11吧,去的是27
链接。
没有去J11吧,去的是27
j11不是su-27s?
JF-17也是我们生产的
这是在为推销小龙造势吗
reportedly achieved favourable result 。看你怎么理解,也看最初的目的是什么。还是等版主来说道说道吧
路边社专员 发表于 2014-5-13 16:21
j11不是su-27s?
请按照原文直译,我把原文给你添上了,勿以自己解读作为标题
链接。
不好意思,手机不好操作
Last posted:2013-03-21

去年的拜托不要贴出来了
jialiang1949 发表于 2014-5-13 16:23
reportedly achieved favourable result 。看你怎么理解,也看最初的目的是什么。还是等版主来说道说道吧
确实,这句话也可以理解为交换比不太难看
更何况就算战损比相当,也要看战场环境等因素
估计不是空战。考虑到JF17在PAF中的任务设定,我猜测,这些演习对抗的背景应该是JF17突防,SU27拦截。或许还有其他背景设定,如SU27无预警机支持,JF17超低空突防。估计突防的成功率比较高,小巴比较满意。
呵呵,瞎猜的。
敢不敢翻译过来
时间居然是2013年3月的,每过一段时间有心人就会翻出一些所谓的对抗结果来证明兔子空军很垃圾,有中国和土耳其版的,也有中国和巴基斯坦版的,还层出不穷。
这文章不是去年的吗?
拉倒吧,演习的目的就是让小巴找找打苏霍伊系列重型机的感觉,卖两个破绽被媒体捕风捉影一下还当真了。

无论是去年的Shaheen-2还是前年的Shaheen-1,小巴在对抗我军三代机的时候根本没有便宜可占,这还是演习条件有所限制的情况下。
咋不直译一下,看不懂方言
Author:Tomislav Mesaric, Zagreb

  Last posted:2013-03-21
还有人幻想sf发扬国际精神帮cf答广告,搞个飞机啊!
其实国外论坛一样大仙满天飞。。。。
话说枭龙的航电不比苏27差吧,而且用的是PL5和SD10,27用的是毛货R。这干起来还真说不准谁输谁赢
呵呵你一脸,2013年的帖子,你想表达什么
Last posted:2013-03-21
PAF JF-17s were pitched against Chinese Su-27s in a number of scenarios and reportedly achieved favourable results.
这两段给lz摘出来仔细看看,建议lz去挂眼科,或者去挂屁股科
不是去年的,点链接进去就知道
中国的重型机机队,有点{:soso_e160:}
哪位大神帮助翻译一下,是在小白
yankee 发表于 2014-5-13 17:30
拉倒吧,演习的目的就是让小巴找找打苏霍伊系列重型机的感觉,卖两个破绽被媒体捕风捉影一下还当真了。

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没有新买的F16参加吗?
dx139 发表于 2014-5-13 18:04
没有新买的F16参加吗?
呐,人家的F-16看的很严实的。
yankee 发表于 2014-5-13 18:08
呐,人家的F-16看的很严实的。
小巴那几十架F-16对三哥近二百多架30很渺茫,演习中的JF-17还是早期无中距能力版吧?
小龙厉害,二妻厉害,也没有楼主的嘴炮厉害
dx139 发表于 2014-5-13 18:14
小巴那几十架F-16对三哥近二百多架30很渺茫,演习中的JF-17还是早期无中距能力版吧?
根据巴基斯坦空军的说法,早期批次的JF-17已经升级到具备发射SD-10的能力。
yankee 发表于 2014-5-13 18:16
根据巴基斯坦空军的说法,早期批次的JF-17已经升级到具备发射SD-10的能力。
对27还吃力吗?27的雷达真差还是半主的弹。
曼哈顿工程 发表于 2014-5-13 16:46
估计不是空战。考虑到JF17在PAF中的任务设定,我猜测,这些演习对抗的背景应该是JF17突防,SU27拦截。或许 ...
这种玩法J7都能突防成功。
2014-5-13 18:26 上传

话说枭龙的航电不比苏27差吧,而且用的是PL5和SD10,27用的是毛货R。这干起来还真说不准谁输谁赢
除了探测距离,发财的航电武器完爆苏爱妻
明显在给枭龙做宣传广告,难道看不出来?
LZ居然能认为J-11等于Su27S。。。。。来自: iPhone客户端
都没人翻译吗?好吧我来。
看原文,只是说:在巴空军与我空军的演习中,在一些JF17与苏27多机对抗场景中取得了非常好的效果(译者:并未提及胜利,可能是留面子也可能是文字游戏)。
一个巴飞行员称:JF17非常易飞,甚至比F16还容易驾驶,所以飞行员的训练上并不会过度依靠双座教练版本。我们设计项目时就考虑到必须拥有优秀的模拟器,而中国人在模拟器领域更富经验,所以我们采纳了他们的设备。然而如果客户需要双座版,生产计划也已经处于相当完善的阶段。
“在国际军售领域,我们和中国合伙人有着共同的销售与市场计划,但这并不意味着在每次与客户见面我们都必须同时出现,但在谈判问题上我们彼此都会保持良好的沟通。”这个空军准将将两国在此项目上的合作视为模范样板。
“新客户首先要做的是他们需要怎样的飞机配置”,“JF-17在巴基斯坦Kamra的PAC制造,所以我们能提供任何关于制造方面的说明文件,甚至可以提供飞机实际运作维护方面的服务。”