卫计委不评论俄全民免费医疗 称各国情况不同

毛子只是改回了苏联的免费医疗政策而已。

中新网10月10日电 国家卫生计生委今日就践行群众路线服务百姓健康工作举行发布会，国家卫生和计划生育委员会新闻发言人邓海华在谈到有关“俄罗斯全民免费医疗”报道时表示，医改是世界性难题，各国情况都不同。

近期有媒体报道，俄罗斯宣布要实行全民免费医疗，消息在中国网络引起了很多关注。邓海华对此表示，对俄罗斯的医疗卫生制度不做评论，因为各个国家都不同。目前也有文章提出，国内媒体对这条消息存在误判。

邓海华介绍，中国医改从2009年启动的新一轮医药卫生体制改革，经过这几年的工作取得了重大的阶段性成效，尤其是在医疗保障制度方面，实行了全民医保。虽然全民医保制度有了，但保障水平在今后工作中还需要进一步不断提升，真正做到全体居民病有所医。2009年中共中央国务院发布的文件提出，到2020年基本建立覆盖城乡居民的基本医疗卫生制度，实现人人享有基本医疗卫生服务。届时将以基本医疗保障制度为主，其他的商业医疗保障制度为补充，慈善、救助等共同构成整体的国家医疗保障体系。
http://news.163.com/13/1010/11/9AQSJSDR00014JB6.html

你讲国情他讲接轨
你讲接轨他讲国情
正常现象

为啥实行免费医疗的毛子私人医疗费用支出比例和TG差不多呢？

madboytrue 发表于 2013-10-10 14:38
为啥实行免费医疗的毛子私人医疗费用支出比例和TG差不多呢？
80年代苏联公立医院也免费医疗。可是私人医院还是生意火爆，而且去私人医院的还是老百姓居多

你讲国情他讲接轨
你讲接轨他讲国情
正常现象
这个我朝自古以来的正常现象
俗话说：好马不吃回头草；可俗话又说：浪子回头金不换！
俗话说：兔子不吃窝边草；可俗话又说：近水楼台先得月！
俗话说：宰相肚里能撑船；可俗话又说：有仇不报非君子！
俗话说：男子汉大丈夫，宁死不屈；可俗话又说：男子汉大丈夫，能屈能伸

好处就是怎么搞都能自圆其说

你跟他讲道理，他跟你耍流氓。你跟他耍流氓，他跟你讲法制。你跟他讲法制，他跟你讲国情。你跟他讲国情，他跟你讲接轨。你跟他讲接轨，他跟你讲政策。你跟他讲政策，他跟你耍流氓。

3511687 发表于 2013-10-10 14:22
你讲国情他讲接轨
你讲接轨他讲国情
正常现象
俄罗斯人均GDP是17700美金是我们的将近3倍

不在实实在在的民生问题上倾向于百姓，就不要怪ZXB渣5的表象。既不给百姓好处，又要百姓拥护，天下没有这样的事情。

这说的倒有些道理，毕竟国人素质摆在那
君不见，有些离休老干部：一人住院，全家看病，反正都是国家的钱，往死里花
以天朝目前的水准：别说免费医疗，就要现在，想方设法从农合、医保里捞一笔的就不在少数
真要哪天免费了，呵呵，官老爷们移民的飞机票钱都能让“群众”算计进去·~~~~~~

特警4587 发表于 2013-10-10 15:08
俄罗斯人均GDP是17700美金是我们的将近3倍
17700是购买力平价GDP，中国9000多美元。

俄罗斯免费医疗？也不看看俄罗斯衰落成啥样，排队排死都轮不到你

这说的倒有些道理，毕竟国人素质摆在那
君不见，有些离休老干部：一人住院，全家看病，反正都是国家的钱， ...
我们现在实行的是“干部免费医疗政策”，你怎么评价？

毛子只是改回了苏联的免费医疗政策而已。
而中国最擅长的是把人分为三六九等！

       无话可说，这次还算要点儿脸，没像—贯所做的那样睁眼说瞎话

俄罗斯的免费医疗不代表治疗过程中无限制的不花一分钱，事实上由于公共医疗资源总是有限的，所以免费的医疗肯定有等待和配额等等条件。
另一方面，中国为了确保主要领域的发展速度和政府掌握资金的充足，必然有东西是要延缓的。所以别整天觉着tg钱都是天上掉下来的，至今还是省着存起来的

这说的倒有些道理，毕竟国人素质摆在那
君不见，有些离休老干部：一人住院，全家看病，反正都是国家的钱， ...
官老爷看病不差钱

特警4587 发表于 2013-10-10 15:08
俄罗斯人均GDP是17700美金是我们的将近3倍
现在就谈人均GDP了？

满大街的豪华公车，豪华政府楼，天文数字的3公经费，各种物价上涨的时候就把人均GDP人均收入丢的没影子了。

俄罗斯免费医疗？也不看看俄罗斯衰落成啥样，排队排死都轮不到你
你上面的战友说他们的人均gdp是我们的两倍。

俄国只是免费看病，不是免费拿药  

俄罗斯“免费医疗”：免费看病 掏钱买药
http://lt.cjdby.net/thread-1726596-1-1.html

俄罗斯人均GDP是17700美金是我们的将近3倍
错了 这种事情看的不是人均GDP 而是税负
中国如果将税负提高到欧洲中游水平 照样玩得起免费医疗

revolutionzz 发表于 2013-10-10 16:01
这说的倒有些道理，毕竟国人素质摆在那
君不见，有些离休老干部：一人住院，全家看病，反正都是国家的钱，往死里花
以天朝目前的水准：别说免费医疗，就要现在，想方设法从农合、医保里捞一笔的就不在少数
离休干部也得分，如果只是解放前入党的小角色，管得也很紧，因为tb有个高级离休干部的称谓，起码是厅局级以上的干部，那是真正享受的一批人。但说回来人家毕竟以前提脑袋拼过命，并且数量越来越少。只是解放后飞黄腾达的那帮人也享受特权医疗，吃着特供食品实在是无耻到了极点，说这些人能把民众和国家前途放在心上鬼才相信!来自: Android客户端

  
如果欧洲国家将税负降低到中国水平 沒有国家能免费医疗 全要破产

例和奥地利，50%収入税，再加20%购物税
丹麥，55.56%収入税，再加25%购物税


看看欧洲福利国家的税
Tax rates of Europe

Country         Corporate tax         Maximum Income tax rate         Standard VAT rate
Albania[2]         10%         10%         20%
Austria         25%         50%         20% [3]
Belarus         24%         15%         20%[2]
Belgium         33.99%         50%         21% [3]
Bosnia and Herzegovina[4]         10%         0% (+ 0%-15% per location)         17%
Bulgaria[5]         10%         10%         20%[3]
Croatia         20%         40%         25%[6]
Cyprus         10%         35%         18% (reduced rates of 8% and 5%)[7]
Czech Republic         19%         22%         21%[3]
Denmark         22% (decreased from 25% in 2013)         55.56% (+additional 8% social security paid by the employee)         25%[3]
Estonia         21%         21%         20%[3]
Finland         24.5%, however the government has agreed on lowering it to 20% as of 2014.         53%         24%[3][8] (reduced rate of 14% for groceries and restaurants)
France         33.33% (15% for "small" businesses)         45% (+4% for incomes above a yearly EUR 500,000) [9]         19.6% (reduced rate of 7%, 5.5%, 2.1% and 0% for specific cases like some food, transportation, cultural goods, etc.)[3]
Germany         30.175% to 33.325% (15.825% federal plus 14.35% to 17.5% local)         45%         19% (reduced rate of 7% applies e.g. on sales of certain foods, books and magazines, flowers and transports)[3]
Georgia         15%         20%         18%
Greece         25%         42%         23%[3]
Hungary         10-19%         16% (additional contributions at 10% Social Security by Employee + 24% Social Security by Employer and

Health Care 7% by Employer )
        27%[3][10][11]
Iceland         18%[12]         46.28%[12]         25.5%[12]
Ireland         12.50%         41% (additional contributions at 4% Pay-Related Social Insurance (PRSI) and 7% Universal Social Charge (USC)).
Italy         31.4%         45%         21%[3]
Latvia         15%         23%         21%[14]
Liechtenstein         12.5% (2.5% on IP and royalties)         17.89% (11.6% Social security is shared between employer and employee) 100k USD income gives 7.6% income tax rate. 0% capital gains tax.         8%[15]
Lithuania         15%         15% (as of end 2012)         21%
Luxembourg         28.59% (commercial activity); 5.718% on intellectual property income, royalties; 0% on dividends and capital gains (under certain conditions in case of major participation)         38.95%         15%[3]
Macedonia[16]         10%         10%         18%
Malta         35%         35%         18%[3]
Montenegro         9%[17]         9%[17]         17%[17]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rates_of_Europe

K026 发表于 2013-10-10 19:09
错了 这种事情看的不是人均GDP 而是税负
中国如果将税负提高到欧洲中游水平 照样玩得起免费医疗

  
如果欧洲国家将税负降低到中国水平 沒有国家能免费医疗 全要破产

例和奥地利，50%収入税，再加20%购物税
丹麥，55.56%収入税，再加25%购物税


看看欧洲福利国家的税
Tax rates of Europe

Country         Corporate tax         Maximum Income tax rate         Standard VAT rate
Albania[2]         10%         10%         20%
Austria         25%         50%         20% [3]
Belarus         24%         15%         20%[2]
Belgium         33.99%         50%         21% [3]
Bosnia and Herzegovina[4]         10%         0% (+ 0%-15% per location)         17%
Bulgaria[5]         10%         10%         20%[3]
Croatia         20%         40%         25%[6]
Cyprus         10%         35%         18% (reduced rates of 8% and 5%)[7]
Czech Republic         19%         22%         21%[3]
Denmark         22% (decreased from 25% in 2013)         55.56% (+additional 8% social security paid by the employee)         25%[3]
Estonia         21%         21%         20%[3]
Finland         24.5%, however the government has agreed on lowering it to 20% as of 2014.         53%         24%[3][8] (reduced rate of 14% for groceries and restaurants)
France         33.33% (15% for "small" businesses)         45% (+4% for incomes above a yearly EUR 500,000) [9]         19.6% (reduced rate of 7%, 5.5%, 2.1% and 0% for specific cases like some food, transportation, cultural goods, etc.)[3]
Germany         30.175% to 33.325% (15.825% federal plus 14.35% to 17.5% local)         45%         19% (reduced rate of 7% applies e.g. on sales of certain foods, books and magazines, flowers and transports)[3]
Georgia         15%         20%         18%
Greece         25%         42%         23%[3]
Hungary         10-19%         16% (additional contributions at 10% Social Security by Employee + 24% Social Security by Employer and

Health Care 7% by Employer )
        27%[3][10][11]
Iceland         18%[12]         46.28%[12]         25.5%[12]
Ireland         12.50%         41% (additional contributions at 4% Pay-Related Social Insurance (PRSI) and 7% Universal Social Charge (USC)).
Italy         31.4%         45%         21%[3]
Latvia         15%         23%         21%[14]
Liechtenstein         12.5% (2.5% on IP and royalties)         17.89% (11.6% Social security is shared between employer and employee) 100k USD income gives 7.6% income tax rate. 0% capital gains tax.         8%[15]
Lithuania         15%         15% (as of end 2012)         21%
Luxembourg         28.59% (commercial activity); 5.718% on intellectual property income, royalties; 0% on dividends and capital gains (under certain conditions in case of major participation)         38.95%         15%[3]
Macedonia[16]         10%         10%         18%
Malta         35%         35%         18%[3]
Montenegro         9%[17]         9%[17]         17%[17]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rates_of_Europe

无话可说的故事，不过好歹能报销个9成，也就可以了。

Tax rates of Europe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rates_of_Europe

Country         Corporate tax         Maximum Income tax rate         Standard VAT rate
Netherlands          25%  2% [19]         52% [19]   21%[20]
Norway[21][22]         28%         47.8%         25%
Poland         19%         32%         23%[3]
Portugal         12.5%-27.5% (Mean tax rate: 15%)         46.5% (additional contributions at 11% Social Security by Employee + 23.75% Social Security by Employer)         23% (reduced rates 13% and 6%)
Romania         16%         ~45% total tax;   24%
Russia         6% or 20%         13% (additional contributions by Employer: 0%-5.1% Federal Health Care Fund, 0%-2.9% Federal Social Security Fund, 10%-26% Pension Fund)         18% (reduced rates 10% and 0%)
Serbia         15%         10%-52% (capital gain tax 15%, standard income tax rate 10%, additional contributions by Employee: 13% state pension fund, 6.5% state health fund, 0.5% unemployment fund; additional contributions by Employeer: 11% state pension fund, 6.5% state health fund, 0.5% unemployment; maximum contributions capped (amount changing monthly); additional tax for higher salaries (after 3 times average salary additional 10%, after 6 times average salary additional 15%)),[24][25][26]         20%
Slovakia         23%         19% (additional contributions at 4% Health Care by Employee + 10% Health Care by Employer, 9.4% Social Security by Employee + 19.4% Social Security by Employer)         20%[3] (10% reduced rate)
Slovenia [27]         20% (2012: 18%, 2013: 17%, 2014: 16%, 2015+: 15%)         50%         22%[3] (reduced rate 9,5%) - from 1 July 2013
Spain         30% (28% Basque Country & Navarra, 4% ZEC companies in Canary Islands)         42%         21%[3] (reduced rates 10% and 4%)
Sweden         22%         56.6%         25%[3] (reduced rates 12% and 6%)
Switzerland         25%         45.5%         8% [28]
Turkey         20%         35% [29]         18%, 8%, 1% and 0%
Ukraine         23%, from 1.01.2012 - 21%, from 1.01.2013 - 19%, from 1.01.2014 - 16%         17%         20%
United Kingdom         23%, from 6.4.2014 - 21%, from 6.4.2015 - 20% (20% for businesses with profits less than ￡1,500,000)[30]         45% on marginal additional annual income above ￡150k, 40% between ￡115k-150k , 60% between ￡100k-￡115k, 40% between ￡35000-￡100000, 20% between ￡9k-￡35000, 0% below; plus national insurance contributions at various rates between 2% and 13.8% [31]         20% (reduced rate of 5% for home energy and renovations, 0% for life necessities - groceries, water, prescription medications, medical equipment and supplies, public transport, children's clothing, books and periodicals) [3]


Tax rates of Europe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rates_of_Europe

Country         Corporate tax         Maximum Income tax rate         Standard VAT rate
Netherlands          25%  2% [19]         52% [19]   21%[20]
Norway[21][22]         28%         47.8%         25%
Poland         19%         32%         23%[3]
Portugal         12.5%-27.5% (Mean tax rate: 15%)         46.5% (additional contributions at 11% Social Security by Employee + 23.75% Social Security by Employer)         23% (reduced rates 13% and 6%)
Romania         16%         ~45% total tax;   24%
Russia         6% or 20%         13% (additional contributions by Employer: 0%-5.1% Federal Health Care Fund, 0%-2.9% Federal Social Security Fund, 10%-26% Pension Fund)         18% (reduced rates 10% and 0%)
Serbia         15%         10%-52% (capital gain tax 15%, standard income tax rate 10%, additional contributions by Employee: 13% state pension fund, 6.5% state health fund, 0.5% unemployment fund; additional contributions by Employeer: 11% state pension fund, 6.5% state health fund, 0.5% unemployment; maximum contributions capped (amount changing monthly); additional tax for higher salaries (after 3 times average salary additional 10%, after 6 times average salary additional 15%)),[24][25][26]         20%
Slovakia         23%         19% (additional contributions at 4% Health Care by Employee + 10% Health Care by Employer, 9.4% Social Security by Employee + 19.4% Social Security by Employer)         20%[3] (10% reduced rate)
Slovenia [27]         20% (2012: 18%, 2013: 17%, 2014: 16%, 2015+: 15%)         50%         22%[3] (reduced rate 9,5%) - from 1 July 2013
Spain         30% (28% Basque Country & Navarra, 4% ZEC companies in Canary Islands)         42%         21%[3] (reduced rates 10% and 4%)
Sweden         22%         56.6%         25%[3] (reduced rates 12% and 6%)
Switzerland         25%         45.5%         8% [28]
Turkey         20%         35% [29]         18%, 8%, 1% and 0%
Ukraine         23%, from 1.01.2012 - 21%, from 1.01.2013 - 19%, from 1.01.2014 - 16%         17%         20%
United Kingdom         23%, from 6.4.2014 - 21%, from 6.4.2015 - 20% (20% for businesses with profits less than ￡1,500,000)[30]         45% on marginal additional annual income above ￡150k, 40% between ￡115k-150k , 60% between ￡100k-￡115k, 40% between ￡35000-￡100000, 20% between ￡9k-￡35000, 0% below; plus national insurance contributions at various rates between 2% and 13.8% [31]         20% (reduced rate of 5% for home energy and renovations, 0% for life necessities - groceries, water, prescription medications, medical equipment and supplies, public transport, children's clothing, books and periodicals) [3]

小儿科 发表于 2013-10-10 16:15
而中国最擅长的是把人分为三六九等！
中国国情，呵呵

lightsun7 发表于 2013-10-10 19:26
如果欧洲国家将税负降低到中国水平 沒有国家能免费医疗 全要破产

例和奥地利，50%収入税，再加2 ...
故意混淆视听吧

明明说的是最高的税率50%，到你这成了税率50%，所得税是累进税率，高收入者税率高没有问题。

lightsun7 发表于 2013-10-10 19:26
如果欧洲国家将税负降低到中国水平 沒有国家能免费医疗 全要破产

例和奥地利，50%収入税，再加2 ...
另外，VAT是叫增值税，中国的税率是17%，不是什么购物税。

浆糊瓶 发表于 2013-10-10 19:17
离休干部也得分，如果只是解放前入党的小角色，管得也很紧，因为tb有个高级离休干部的称谓，起码是厅局级 ...
49年10月1号前工作的算离休啊，医药费全包，男的还可以得妇科病哦。

这个我朝自古以来的正常现象
俗话说：好马不吃回头草；可俗话又说：浪子回头金不换！
俗话说：兔子不 ...
这种话看似对立，实则都对。使用语境不同而已。基本的语文知识。

貌似医保是不包括很多昂贵的抗癌药吧，所以大部分人都去买印度版的

奥地利的累进税率，年入11,000欧元以上己经上税36.5%。




Income tax rates for 2012 (declared in 2013 return)

Bracket Annual income    Rate

1    up to 10,999             0%
2    11,000 –25,000       36.5%
3    25,001 – 60,000      43.2%
4    Over 60,000             50%




http://europa.eu/youreurope/citi ... ria/employed_en.htm
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3511687 发表于 2013-10-10 20:06
故意混淆视听吧

明明说的是最高的税率50%，到你这成了税率50%，所得税是累进税率，高收入者税率高没有 ...

奥地利的累进税率，年入11,000欧元以上己经上税36.5%。




Income tax rates for 2012 (declared in 2013 return)

Bracket Annual income    Rate

1    up to 10,999             0%
2    11,000 –25,000       36.5%
3    25,001 – 60,000      43.2%
4    Over 60,000             50%




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