俄国五代机成本上涨,印度五代机计划遇到障碍,但表示暂 ...

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印度至今未与俄罗斯正式落实五代机开发合同(出真金白银开发),但表示不考虑F-35。

印度想知道成色如何,必须花数亿美元买3架原型机回印度测试。

要想订购量产型,以后还要给俄罗斯110/2=55亿美元的设计费用,这还是目前预定的研发成本,上涨是必然的,只是幅度问题

眼下,类似于”阵风“遇到的情况,印度没钱将采购(开发)项目落实,又表示不会考虑替代机型,虽然2010年与俄罗在一份价值2.95亿美元的FGFA(印度版T-50)”计划“上签了名,但直到今年都没有付款,自然也没有启动(根据之前合同,印度本应在2013财年开始启动50印度版FGFA的研制,但目前看不大可能。)

印度最早给俄罗斯画的350亿美元大饼还只是存在于纸面上,而且大饼已经小一圈了——印度空军已决定将第五代战斗机(Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft,FGFA)的购买数量调整为144架单座型机,而不是之前确定的214多架(印度空军最早宣布计划购买214架FGFA,其中166架单座型,48架双座型)。

5th-generation fighter plan hits hurdle as Russia hikes cost

NEW DELHI: India's biggest defence project in the making, the critical joint development of the fifth-generation fighter aircraft (FGFA) with Russia, has flown into some rough weather.

Defence ministry sources said the inking of the final design and R&D contract for the stealth fighter has been hit by a huge delay, with Russia also jacking up costs for the futuristic project. "It's very unlikely the FGFA final design contract will be concluded in the 2013-2014 fiscal," said a source.

This contract was to be inked in 2012 as per the then revised timeline after completion of the preliminary design contract (PD C) phase. India will eventually end up spending close to $35 billion over the next two decades to induct over 200 such "swing-role" fighters.

The plan till last year was that India would begin inducting the FGFA from 2022 onwards, with IAF test pilots getting three prototypes in 2014, 2017 and 2019 for trials at the Hindustan Aeronautics manufacturing facility at Ozar.

"The timeframes will now have to be revised. MoD has established a committee of specialists and finance officials to verify the rise in costs. An internal contract negotiation committee is also in progress," said the source.

But India remains firm about rejecting the US offer for joining its Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) or the F-35 'Lightning-II' programme. "A lot of money and time has been invested in the FGFA with Russia. India simply cannot afford two FGFAs, both financially as well as logistically" he said.

The 18-month PDC worth $295 million for the FGFA with Russia was inked in December 2010, under which Indian designers and scientists have even been stationed in Russia to work out the blueprints and documentation for the fighter.

Though the Indian "perspective multi-role fighter" will be based on the Russian single-seat FGFA called Sukhoi T-50 or PAK-FA, which now has four prototypes flying, it will be tweaked to IAF requirements. IAF had initially pitched for 166 single-seat and 48 twin-seat fighters but will go for only single-cockpit jets now to reduce costs as well as protect stealth features.

The final design contract now being negotiated was pegged at $11 billion, with India and Russia sharing $5.5 billion each towards the cost of designing, infrastructure build-up at Ozar, prototype development and flight testing. Each fighter was to cost over $100 million.

IAF is quite confident the T-50 will meet its future requirements. Apart from ultra-manoeuvrability and supersonic cruising ability, the FGFA will carry its weapons inside the fuselage to lower its radar signature. With a cruising speed of Mach 1.7 to 1.8, it has both long-range strike and high-endurance air defence capabilities.

IAF is currently making do with just 34 fighter squadrons (each has 14 to 18 jets) despite needing at least 44 to keep both Pakistan and China at bay. It's banking upon the ongoing induction of 270 Russian Sukhoi-30MKIs for around $12 billion as well as the early inking of the almost $20 billion project to acquire 126 French Rafale fighters to plug operational gaps till the FGFA becomes a reality.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.c ... leshow/21075582.cms

印度至今未与俄罗斯正式落实五代机开发合同(出真金白银开发),但表示不考虑F-35。

印度想知道成色如何,必须花数亿美元买3架原型机回印度测试。

要想订购量产型,以后还要给俄罗斯110/2=55亿美元的设计费用,这还是目前预定的研发成本,上涨是必然的,只是幅度问题

眼下,类似于”阵风“遇到的情况,印度没钱将采购(开发)项目落实,又表示不会考虑替代机型,虽然2010年与俄罗在一份价值2.95亿美元的FGFA(印度版T-50)”计划“上签了名,但直到今年都没有付款,自然也没有启动(根据之前合同,印度本应在2013财年开始启动50印度版FGFA的研制,但目前看不大可能。)

印度最早给俄罗斯画的350亿美元大饼还只是存在于纸面上,而且大饼已经小一圈了——印度空军已决定将第五代战斗机(Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft,FGFA)的购买数量调整为144架单座型机,而不是之前确定的214多架(印度空军最早宣布计划购买214架FGFA,其中166架单座型,48架双座型)。

5th-generation fighter plan hits hurdle as Russia hikes cost

NEW DELHI: India's biggest defence project in the making, the critical joint development of the fifth-generation fighter aircraft (FGFA) with Russia, has flown into some rough weather.

Defence ministry sources said the inking of the final design and R&D contract for the stealth fighter has been hit by a huge delay, with Russia also jacking up costs for the futuristic project. "It's very unlikely the FGFA final design contract will be concluded in the 2013-2014 fiscal," said a source.

This contract was to be inked in 2012 as per the then revised timeline after completion of the preliminary design contract (PD C) phase. India will eventually end up spending close to $35 billion over the next two decades to induct over 200 such "swing-role" fighters.

The plan till last year was that India would begin inducting the FGFA from 2022 onwards, with IAF test pilots getting three prototypes in 2014, 2017 and 2019 for trials at the Hindustan Aeronautics manufacturing facility at Ozar.

"The timeframes will now have to be revised. MoD has established a committee of specialists and finance officials to verify the rise in costs. An internal contract negotiation committee is also in progress," said the source.

But India remains firm about rejecting the US offer for joining its Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) or the F-35 'Lightning-II' programme. "A lot of money and time has been invested in the FGFA with Russia. India simply cannot afford two FGFAs, both financially as well as logistically" he said.

The 18-month PDC worth $295 million for the FGFA with Russia was inked in December 2010, under which Indian designers and scientists have even been stationed in Russia to work out the blueprints and documentation for the fighter.

Though the Indian "perspective multi-role fighter" will be based on the Russian single-seat FGFA called Sukhoi T-50 or PAK-FA, which now has four prototypes flying, it will be tweaked to IAF requirements. IAF had initially pitched for 166 single-seat and 48 twin-seat fighters but will go for only single-cockpit jets now to reduce costs as well as protect stealth features.

The final design contract now being negotiated was pegged at $11 billion, with India and Russia sharing $5.5 billion each towards the cost of designing, infrastructure build-up at Ozar, prototype development and flight testing. Each fighter was to cost over $100 million.

IAF is quite confident the T-50 will meet its future requirements. Apart from ultra-manoeuvrability and supersonic cruising ability, the FGFA will carry its weapons inside the fuselage to lower its radar signature. With a cruising speed of Mach 1.7 to 1.8, it has both long-range strike and high-endurance air defence capabilities.

IAF is currently making do with just 34 fighter squadrons (each has 14 to 18 jets) despite needing at least 44 to keep both Pakistan and China at bay. It's banking upon the ongoing induction of 270 Russian Sukhoi-30MKIs for around $12 billion as well as the early inking of the almost $20 billion project to acquire 126 French Rafale fighters to plug operational gaps till the FGFA becomes a reality.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.c ... leshow/21075582.cms
以后召标买F35算了,应该比T50便宜。
mig-21又摔了,去问问大爹卖不卖f35
印俄军购,确定因素只有项目拖延和成本上涨
又一个坑等三哥去填,圈画好了,就看三哥怎么填了
这里有个问题,印度为T50实际投入了多少钱?

三哥有被坑了
印度在对外军购实际成交价上很少吃亏
主要是吃回扣吃的太猛的问题,造成名义军购价高
minitriy_fan 发表于 2013-7-15 19:24
这里有个问题,印度为T50实际投入了多少钱?
只有计划,没有实际的样子
minitriy_fan 发表于 2013-7-15 19:24
这里有个问题,印度为T50实际投入了多少钱?
没看到任何印度媒体有实际已投入的报道,应该是没有
panaso 发表于 2013-7-15 18:57
以后召标买F35算了,应该比T50便宜。
不算打包价格,很有可能
虽然2010年与俄罗在一份价值2.95亿美元的FGFA(印度版T-50)”计划“上签了名,但直到今年都没有付款,,

难道真是不付款就不开弹仓给你看吗,最多只让你看下直通通的进气道和叶片
切  你们都无知啊   LCA在研发10-20年 什么T50的早就过时了  LCA才是这世界上永不过时的神机啊
这到底是谁坑谁啊
我今天才知道,在炒作了这么久之后,原来印度人还没给这个项目打过去一分钱。那么到底是谁被坑了呢。
f-35完爆t-50
阿三为什么不买
阿三该换个新型号的飞机摔了
seleucid 发表于 2013-7-15 20:24
我今天才知道,在炒作了这么久之后,原来印度人还没给这个项目打过去一分钱。那么到底是谁被坑了呢。
法国和俄罗斯表示那不是坑。

看看意大利,AW-101项目阿古斯塔公司给了印度前空军司令6500万美元的回扣,然后腐败丑闻被捅出,合同被取消
怪不得阿三的航母猛涨价,原来三锅想坑毛子,不过,坑的了吗?不懂毛子会在航母上挖个什么坑给三锅跳了。
印度整个装备体系还是苏系撑起来的,不是蓄意坑,只是经济出问题,和军事采购计划是按20X0年印度成为经济超级大国而非当前印度经济规模制定的——40+个中队的先进战斗机,你没看错,这是印度,不是美帝空军规划
BaSv9EPG 发表于 2013-7-15 19:35
印度在对外军购实际成交价上很少吃亏
主要是吃回扣吃的太猛的问题,造成名义军购价高
那还是印度政府吃亏,官员不吃亏
seleucid 发表于 2013-7-15 20:24
我今天才知道,在炒作了这么久之后,原来印度人还没给这个项目打过去一分钱。那么到底是谁被坑了呢。
反正T50毛子是肯定要研制的,阿三不给钱不交货。
翎羽 发表于 2013-7-15 20:18
不算打包价格,很有可能
可能应该参照日本的价格,因为印度如果买F35,一定会引进生产线。
又一个坑等三哥去填
逆天笑 发表于 2013-7-15 19:06
印俄军购,确定因素只有项目拖延和成本上涨
T50没拖延 三哥掏钱不积极而已
翎羽 发表于 2013-7-15 20:26
法国和俄罗斯表示那不是坑。

看看意大利,AW-101项目阿古斯塔公司给了印度前空军司令6500万美元的回扣 ...
阿古斯塔估计肠子都悔青了
三哥也没有那么傻,双方互画大饼罢了
无情的坑,无底的洞
guoxing1987 发表于 2013-7-15 21:22
T50没拖延 三哥掏钱不积极而已

是指印度FGFA,双座型不要了,航电不少还是要换西方的,类似苏-30MKI模式,别的方面可能也会改点
guoxing1987 发表于 2013-7-15 21:25
阿古斯塔估计肠子都悔青了

不是特例,印度155毫米炮竞标游戏玩了不知道多少轮,把世界所有火炮公司基本坑杀了一遍,然后全因行贿问题踢进印度军购黑名单,吓得美国人找来政府签政府间协议,不过至今M777也没落实。。。。。。
大腚撅起 发表于 2013-7-15 20:26
f-35完爆t-50
阿三为什么不买
怎么完爆了?说说看
tiberain 发表于 2013-7-15 21:11
反正T50毛子是肯定要研制的,阿三不给钱不交货。

没有印度分摊,每架T-50的研制费用分摊就要高得多了

印度想知道成色如何,必须花数亿美元买3架原型机回印度测试

要想订购量产型,还要给俄罗斯110/2=55亿美元的设计费用,这还是目前预定的研发成本,上涨是必然的,只是幅度问题
不是吧,还没给毛子钱钱,毛子能答应?
印度网友表示:与其说我关心FGFA/阵风项目出现的拖延,不如说我还不知道这两个项目虾米时候能开始

未开始的项目怎么能说出现拖延呢?
如果能装备T50,当然不要考虑F35!
拿美国公司回扣,不好赖账才是真,印度要买的阵风和T-50都不见得会比F-35便宜
bird2006 发表于 2013-7-16 01:23
不是吧,还没给毛子钱钱,毛子能答应?
天高土邦远,土邦主家也没有余粮啊
哈瓦隆 发表于 2013-7-16 08:35
拿美国公司回扣,不好赖账才是真,印度要买的阵风和T-50都不见得会比F-35便宜
严重同意;
而且综合战斗力可能也低些。
阿三可是谈判高手,毛子想赚钱也不那么容易!
以前毛子被印度坑的也很惨啊,苏联时期那么多援助都不认账了?