三哥讨论中国都市化 让我震惊的是三哥重要觉醒了！

ndia s strength
by junaid atalique (View MyPage) on Mar 09, 2013 01:35 PM
Indias strength is its population,otherwise there is no technological or any advancement here to lure any foreigners or investmenst.

印度的实力在其人口，我们可没有什么科技和发展来吸引外资。

Choice is Clear
by Ghaghraa (View MyPage) on Mar 09, 2013 01:31 PM
With Modi we can be worst than Afganistan, and with Rahulji we can surpase chinas development. Do you need any further reason to vote for Rahuji?

如果莫迪上台我们会差过阿富汗，如果拉胡尔上台我们能胜过中国。你还需要更多的原因么？请投拉胡尔一票。

Urbanization dangers.
by srinivas ganesh (View MyPage) on Mar 05, 2013 04:38 AM  | Hide replies
More Urbanization, more crimes,dirty,pollution etc. We don't need urbanization. India needs more and more small villages where everybody knows each other, no crime,no pollution,clean and neat. In village, one can have everything because they grow their food and they are self sufficient. Today's Indian villages are becoming pathetic because all educated people are getting migrating to citys and becoming fit for nothing. Software employee needs food from farmer,but farmer doesn't need a software. So, Most of the employees who are not useful to farmer are more like a beggers.

更多的城市化导致更多的犯罪，肮脏和污染。我们不需要城市化，印度需要更多的小村子，那里的人们互相了解。没有犯罪，没有污染，干净整洁，人民种粮食来自给自足。现今的印度乡村变得贫弱都是因为受教育的人都跑城里去了。码农需要菜农，但是菜农不需要码农，有没有！所以，这些对菜农没用的码农就像在行乞。

Re: Urbanization dangers.
by lizhongran (View MyPage) on Mar 05, 2013 10:38 AM
Urbanization can not be accomplished in just one day
I think you see these are normal because development requires a process

城市化又不能一天就搞定了。你所见都是正常的，毕竟发展需要过程。

chose which people you want to live with
by Raj Thackersey (View MyPage) on Mar 05, 2013 12:06 AM  | Hide replies
India people - keep mouth clean gutter dirty.
China people - keep gutter clean but mouth dirty

印度人：里子干净外表脏
中国人：外表光鲜里面臭

Re: chose which people you want to live with
by David Dak (View MyPage) on Mar 06, 2013 07:30 AM
In Australia and USA, we know that indian are much more smelly than Chinese, gutter or mouth.

但是在澳大利亚和美国，我们觉得印度人无论内外都比中国人脏。

India and Population Explosion
by abc_xyz abc_xyz (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 11:49 PM  | Hide replies
The root cause to all the problems in India can be attributed to just ONE FACTOR - POPULATION. Because of such a huge population growth, whatever methods our constitution and the govt does goes ineffective. This leads to frustration and as a result corruption creeps in. When you know you can get away with law and order by bribing, you tend to reach the upper scales of society by doing all the wrong deeds. And to dominate others you got to control your potential threats with violance..thereby criminalisation of politics comes into the picture. India is the country which has the most talented, yet ineffective middle class. We neither vote regularly, nor support good work done by a handful few.
On the other hand, China realised that the only way to go forward was through population control. They effected 1-child policy and between 1979 and 1999, they reduced their numbers by atleast 20 crores. Now they have relaxed the policy.
Even though I hate communism, I believe, communism and dictatorship is atleast better than psuedo-democracy. With the kind of political , economic and social set-up, India will never ever achieve super-stardom. All these concepts of BRICS nations, India emerging as IT-hub are all rubbish. The western world only talk about the topmost layer of the cream. The rest of the so-called fake cream (Esp IAS,IPS, IFS) are tied by the govt red-tape protocol and the rest of cake, which is rotten completely. The only way forward to control population.

印度问题的根源在于---人口！。因为巨大的人口增长，政府的所有措施都变得无效了。官员为此失望抓狂，只好搞腐败。当你知道行贿可以免责，你就会不择手段的往上爬，然后支配别人并用暴力消灭潜在威胁，所以政治就腐败了。印度有最有才但庸碌的中产阶级。我们从不正常投票，不去支持少数人的成绩。

说回来，中国意思到人口问题并进行控制。1979-1999年的一胎政策至少让中国少了2亿人。现在他们又开始放松政策了。
虽然我恨共产，但是我觉得共产和独裁至少比伪民主好。现在这样的印度绝对不能成为明星。什么金砖国家，IT中心全是垃圾概念。西方世界只关心蛋糕上层的奶油，下面的蛋糕全都烂了。唯一的出路就是控制人口！

Re: India and Population Explosion
by nailesh kumar (View MyPage) on Mar 09, 2013 01:15 PM
you are right, but indians are multi culture and there are religions (mus and chris) who will be against controlling the population and our politicians wants to please these minority to be in power

赞一个。但是印度有多元文化和宗教，这些都会反对控制人口。我们的政客只会讨好这些少数群体。

China a friend of Modi
by biswanath roy (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 08:11 PM
By the way,I had been to Gujerat for some Consultancy work and was surprised to learn that most of the States Infrastructure projects are been carried out by Chinese firms partnering Indian firms, whether it is Power plants,Ports,SolarPP,etc.Also came to know that Modi has visited China 3 times, and is their favourite Indian politician, and also the favourite PM candidate of most of the persons who have commented here. So, my friends beware, if Modi becomes PM, Chinese firms will get projects in galore,and Chinese goods will be seen everywhere.

我去过古吉拉特邦。惊奇的发现那里的政府工程项目，不管是电厂，港口还是太阳能，其承建商全都是中印合伙的。你要知道莫迪三次拜访中国，是中国最粉的印度政客。同时也是这里许多人最喜欢的总理候选人。所以，朋友们注意了，如果莫迪当上总理，中国企业将大量拿到工程项目，中国商品将淹没市场。

Why writing trash
by vilas apte (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 07:54 PM
Some of the erudite persons who have commented here, appear to consider India as a western country, not in Asia but a part of the western world.Praising China on these coloumns, a fellow Asian country seems to be "rag to the bulls".

一些“饱学之士”在这里评论，说得印度好像西方国家一样，在这里对中国评头论足。

china urbanisation
by ramakrishna reddi (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 07:36 PM  | Hide replies
I had been to china a few yrs back no doubt they are far hahead of us. here we get bogged down with litigations and court stays. govt cannot proceed.
i think we need dictator for the next 10 yrs to develop the country then bring back democracy
we will on top.
krkreddi

我几年前去过中国，毫无疑问他们远超我们。我们老是陷于诉讼中，政府不能前行。
我认为我们需要10年的独裁，然后再民主。

Re: china urbanisation
by French Cuisine (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 11:43 PM
The major difference between China and India is that - in CHina there is only one party to bribe, here there are too many parties all of whom want bribe. Since everyone wants piece of the pie - there are so many litigations.

中印不同在于：在中国你只需要向一党行贿，在印度你需要向多党行贿。所有人都想分一杯羹，所有有这么多诉讼。

Re: china urbanisation
by sanjay kulkarni (View MyPage) on Mar 05, 2013 01:08 AM
I agree for this. We need strong dictator for next 25 years at least. ALL religions should have same rule of population control and equal education.
Strong leader is times demand, else we wont see 100th Independence day for our country.... China is ready to invade in coming 25 years ....

我同意。我们至少需要25年的独裁。所有宗教都需要用统一律法来控制人口和实施平等教育。
强力领袖是时代的需要，不然我们就看不到第一百个独立日了。。。中国准备好了25年内入侵我们。

China way ahead
by vilas apte (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 07:06 PM  | Hide replies
My son is employed in an Indian IT Co, and for the last 3 years is posted @ Shanghai. My wife and myself for the last 2 years(2011 & 2012)have visited China and toured extensively,courtesy my son. I have seen at least 20 of their cities, and many villages which have tourist interest, and I can vouch that their infrastructure is way ahead(minimum 15 years)of India. 20 of their cities are having operating Subways/Metro systems the highest in the world. Shanghai and Beijing subways have a length of track over 500kms,15-16 lines are in operation.20 more cities are constructing their subways. These subways are cheap,fast,very clean, and have sign boards and announcements in English, thereby posing no problem for foreigners.Their HSR services are superb Shanghai-Beijing, 1340 kms distance in 4.50 hours,unbelievable. Which country in the world has over 10,000 kms of HSR tracks in operation and trains moving @300-350 kms/hr speed.Even Japan,France do not have it on such a scale. I have seen comments of quite a few, to whom I would request to go, and visit that country, and see with your own eyes before writing something foolish.

我们儿子在一家印度IT公司上班，这三年他被外派到上海。我和老婆在11年和12年在中国各处旅游。我们至少参观了20个城市以及许多有参观价值的村庄。我保证他们的基建至少比我们先进15年。20个城市都有地铁，上海和北京地铁超过500公里长，有15-16条线。另外20只城市的地铁正在建。这些地铁便宜，快速，干净，居然还有英文的标示！外国人找路一点困难都么有。京沪高铁超级棒，1340公里只要4.5小时！那个国家有超过10000公里的时速300-350的高铁在运行？就算日本和法国也没有这样的规模。我看了不少的评论，我建议你们在写蠢话前去看看那个国家。

Re: China way ahead
by Shri Hegde (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 07:09 PM
sounds like if possible you and your son will immigrate there

听起来如果有可能，你和你儿子想要移民去中国？

Re: Re: China way ahead
by vilas apte (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 07:48 PM
Mr Hegde, get your English right,to leave one's own country is termed as "emigration" and not "immigration" as you are calling it. Immigrate is exactly the opposite i.e coming into India.Anyway we can both simultaneously leave our country-you to USA/UK, me to China, please inform me so that I can take steps to do so.Thank you for your tip.

先生，先搞定你的英文。离开你的祖国是“emigration”不是“immigration”。不管怎样，如果你愿意，我们可以同时离开我国。你去美英，我去中国。记得通知我，另外感谢你的提点。

Re: China way ahead
by dhiraj malpani (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 07:27 PM
I stayed in shanghai for 4 months on project assignments and just fall in love with the city....its clean, properly managed despite the population burst in & around the city....you can easily roam around the city through subways which is effective, safe & cheap !!

我在上海呆了4个月就爱上了这里。干净，管理得当，就是人太多了。你可以很容易的通过地铁逛遍整个城市，安全又便宜！

Re: Re: China way ahead
by Raj Thackersey (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 11:57 PM
malpani - did you try speaking to chinese?? mouth smells like gutter.
India - keep mouth clean gutter dirty.
China - keep gutter clean but mouth dirty

malpani-你和中国人说过话么？他们的嘴像臭水沟
印度人：嘴干净水沟脏
中国人：水沟干净嘴脏

Re: Re: Re: China way ahead
by David Dak (View MyPage) on Mar 06, 2013 07:28 AM
Come on Raj, we in Australia know that indian is much more smelly than Chinese, gutter or mouth.

好了，拉吉同学，我们澳大利亚人都知道印度人比中国人臭，不管是水沟还是嘴。

Re: China way ahead
by Raj Thackersey (View MyPage) on Mar 05, 2013 12:05 AM
Sir, When in Shanghai please visit Kangding Lu, especially after 11 PM to see the light show

亲，你一定要来上海的康定路，特别是11点后。

Re: Re: Re: China way ahead
by Jugal Ahuja (View MyPage) on Mar 05, 2013 12:40 AM
This Raj knows that Chinese mouth dirty, because he tried to kiss chinese girl and got slapped. The name of the Shanghai lane Raj has mentioned is Shanghai's red area,where this slapping incident with Raj happened. So we know what sort of person he is.

这个拉吉说中国人嘴臭，因为他们试图亲中国女孩被扇了。他上面提到的上海的街是个红灯区。你们懂他是什么人了吧？

China
by Ajai Jacob (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 03:50 PM  | Hide replies
Success of China in its march to becoming the second most powerful country in the world is due to communism.
Many say that China is capitalistic nowadays.But it is predominantly communism in China.A mixture of communism with a little of capitalism created the wonder of modern China,the world's most populous nation.
Think about it instead of mindlessly deriding communism.

中国成功的原因是因为共产主义！
许多人都说中国现在已经是资本主义了。但是他主要还是社会主义。社会主义和一点点资本主义的混合造就了中国的现代奇迹。
仔细想想吧，别无脑嘲笑共产主义了。

Re: China
by sidha bol (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 03:57 PM
It is not communism it is dictatorship in the name of communism

中国不是共产主义，是号称共产主义的独裁政权。

Re: Re: China
by Ajai Jacob (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 04:38 PM
Tell me the name of the dictator,Sidha.
In every country,whether US,India or any other,the real power is always in the hands of a few.So don't blabber.
Democracy is OK for countries with low population like the US.Effective management of large,bulging populations need tight systems like communism.

好吧，那告诉我独裁者的姓名？
每个国家，不管是美国，印度还是其他。真正的权力都是掌握在少数人手里。所以少废话了。
民主对人口少的国家来说是不错，例如美国。但是共产主义才能有效管理大量的人口。

Re: Re: Re: China
by sidha bol (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 05:15 PM
baby there is no election in china and people are not allowed to vote or select anybody

但是中国没有选举，人民不能投票！

Re: Re: Re: Re: China
by sidha bol (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 05:17 PM
please check google for mao's concentration camp also. u will get the answer

你去谷歌一下毛的集中营，你会得到答案。

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: China
by Ajai Jacob (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 05:31 PM
In the same way,millions were killed in India-Pak partition and in such incidents around the world.
What is the use of elections if it is manipulated?Read Aravind Adiga's booker prize winning book 'white tiger' to understand about the pseudo-democracy in India.
In China,there are elections within the communist party.Now that China is somewhat developed,the leaders there are talking about socialist democracy,a new concept.

印巴分治的时候一样死了几百万人，同样的事件全世界都在发生。
如果选举被操纵，那又有何意义？读一下Aravind Adiga的获奖作品：《白虎》，了解一下印度的伪民主吧。
在中国，他们的选举在党内举行。现在他们进步了，他们的领导在讨论社会民主了，一个新概念。

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: China
by lizhongran (View MyPage) on Mar 05, 2013 10:47 AM
mao has been dead for forty years ago
Today's China and the former completely different
to living in China for a month if you view of China didnt change I would go streaking

毛都死了40年了。现在的中国和以前完全不一样了。你来中国住几个月，如果你的思想还没改观我就去裸奔。

Re: Re: Re: Re: China
by ravinder khatana (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 07:42 PM
check your knowledge...they have election but it totally differ thn our election...they use bottom to top approach

你该充电了，他们有和我们完全不一样的自下而上的选举。

Re: Re: Re: China
by John (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 06:36 PM
China was and is a poor country, so China needs to some tough measures to improve the speed of development. China lost something, also got some things. I also think that China needs democracy, we would like to study from India, but our progress will be slow in this field. India is also developing very fast, China and India, the two countries with a large population, though the road they walk is different, will eventually be both democracy and rich

中国过去和现在都是一个穷国，所以中国需要一些强硬措施来加速发展。中国丢了一些东西，又得到一些。我也认为中国需要民主，我们准备就这方面向印度学习，但是不会太快。印度也是一个迅速发展的国家，中印都是人口大国，虽然道理不同，但是我坚信我们最后都会拥有民主和富裕。

Re: Re: Re: Re: China
by Ajai Jacob (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 06:50 PM
John,according to world bank norms,China has 11% below poverty line and India has 54% below poverty line.Then how can you say China is also a poor country?
What the chinese communists achieved in 60 years,India may achieve in 300 years.That is the difference.

John，据世行数据，中国有11%的人口在贫困线下，但是印度有54%。你怎能说中国也是个穷国？
中国GCD60年的成就，印度要搞300年，这就是差距。

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: China
by vilas apte (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 07:17 PM
You are right Ajai, China's annual per capita income in 2011 is over $5000, due to which China has been clubbed as a "medium economy level" country, i.e in the range between $5000 to $10,000. India on the other hand is still lagging far behind @ $1200, therefore still a "low economy level"country. However LEL has an advantage India will corner maximum of development loans dished out by WB/ADB/IMF, as China and Brazil, our earlier rivals, both have jumped into MEL category.

Ajai你是对的。中国的人均收入在2011年超过5000刀.他们已经是中等收入国家，也就是说5000-10000刀的国家。印度才1200刀，仍然是低收入国家。虽然低收入国家的头衔有助于印度获得世行，亚洲发展银行和国际货币基金组织的贷款。但是中国和巴西（我们以前的对手）都进入中等收入国家了。

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: China
by John (View MyPage) on Mar 05, 2013 09:36 PM
As you see above these pictures, yes, some cities of China is comfortable, but also some of them is poverty. I'm Chinese living in Beijing. I like Beijing, also don't like Beijing. Beijing has a lot of opportunities and historical monuments. But the population of Beijing is too huge and have traffic jam. I love my hometown, Anhui, hefei. you can see it in 13th picture. but there is no suitable for my work in my hometown. Huaxi Village is indeed very happy village, in fact they are richer than Shanghai, Beijing on average person. There are many problems in china. Some cities are poor, population is too large and China also have corruption, income and development is not balanced and so on. China and India, the two countries with a large population, China and India, though the road they walk is different, will eventually be the same destination

你也看见上面的图片了。有的城市是很舒适，但是也有贫穷的地方。我住在北京，我对北京既爱且恨。北京有不少古迹，但是巨大人口导致到处赛车。我爱我老家安徽合肥，就是第13张图。但是那里没有适合的工作。华西村是个福地，他们实际上比上海人和北京人更富有。中国有很多问题，很多城市很贫穷，人口太多，而且同样也有腐败以及发展和收入分配不均问题。中印道路不同，但是目的一致，我们会再碰头的。

        Re: China
by Gopal panda (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 07:08 PM
I dont understand why some people compare apple with oranges and jump cry or gets fascinated by apple's look.
Here Why we are comparing India and China?
We have different people culture political environment mindset thinning than China.
The people who praise china , are they Indians? Are they doing anything else than just comparing facts gathered from here and there? Ask them why cant they forward step ahead to make India a good place to live in.
People like Ajai only knows the data in comparion sheet nothing else.
Instead of blabbering here why dont we people make our India far more better than China.

我不明白为啥有些人老拿苹果比橘子。
为啥我们要和中国比？
我们有不同的人民，文化，政体，思维体系。
那些表扬中国的，你们还是印度人么？你们除了比较还做什么了？为什么不努力把印度变好？
像Ajai那样的人只知道比较数据。
在这里八卦不然花时间把印度变得比中国更好。

No comparison
by Jugal Ahuja (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 03:35 PM  | Hide replies
India should not be compared to China.Arungopal Agarwal, is correct,he has seen China and thus is aware of its backwardness, we all have never been there. National Geographic/Discovery channels, & websites like Rediff/Yahoo etc are spreading lies about China's development, by showing its HSR's,Huge bridges,multi tier elevated roads,expressways etc. India has democracy,people here are fluent in speaking English, whereas Chinese only a miniscule speak English, on that count only India can claim to be developed country comparable to USA/UK/Canada/Australia/NZ etc.As per Agarwal China should be bunched with Pakistan/Bangladesh/African/Latin American countries, which are still very less developed, despite China being the world's second largest economy,this fact has to be swallowed because UN has acknowledged it.Unfortunately I cannot claim to be a patriot in Agarwal's mould.

印度不应该和中国比。Arungopal Agarwal是对的，他去过中国并了解到其落后。我们都没去过，只是在网站上读这些中国发展的谎言。什么高铁啊，大桥啊，多层立交桥啊。印度有民主！印度人可以流利说英语！中国人几乎不会说英语。据此来看，印度应该和美国，英国，加拿大，澳大利亚，新西兰比较，中国应该和巴基斯坦，孟加拉国，非洲和拉美国家比较。虽然中国是第二大经济体这个事实被忽略了（因为联合国居然承认了）。
总之我不能变成Agarwal这种模样的爱国者。

Re: No comparison
by sidha bol (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 03:55 PM
that acknowledgement of UN might be also on fake records received. I have also interacted with them and worked with them and believe me whatever they showcase are 90% fake like their products anywhere in the world.

联合国的承认也许是因为他们得到了假数据。我和他们工作交流过，相信我，这些样板90%都是假的，就像中国的商品一样。

Re: Re: No comparison
by Jugal Ahuja (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 06:10 PM
I go atleast 2-3 times to China for business purposes,and my brothers and myself have been procuring computer parts,furnitures,consumer goods etc for the last 10-12 years, and found no complaint with them. 80% of the goods on the shelf/ rack, in any upmarket store in any developed or developing country has "made in China" label,whether it is
toys,computer spares,electronics,daily use goods etc. If Chinese goods were that bad as you say your favourite Walmart,Carrrefor,Tesco,Metro,7day stores would not have procured 80% of their goods from China. Jealousy does not get you anywhere,Chinese automobile/luxury market is 10 times bigger than India's, and even bigger than that of Our favourite USA. Get this fact verified from BBC/CNN.我去过中国2-3次。我和我哥这10多年来都在采购电脑配件，家具，消费品，但是从来没有抱

怨过质量。所有发达国家和发展中国家的高档店都有中国制造，不管是玩具，电脑配件，电器或者日常用品。如果中国货这么差那么你粉喜欢的沃尔玛，家乐福，特易购，麦德龙等就不会80%都采购中国商品了。嫉妒不能让你获得什么，中国的汽车和奢侈品市场比印度大10倍。比我们粉喜欢的美国都大。不信你去读读BBC/CNN.

Re: Re: Re: No comparison
by Ajai Jacob (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 06:23 PM
You hit the bull's eye,Ahuja.

你又打人脸了。。

Re: No comparison
by Ashish Singh (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 06:45 PM
You are very right Jugal,today China is the second largest economy of the world, and if PPP factor is taken into account, will overtake USA to become the largest world economy by 2018. This posing pseudo traveller ",sidha bol"is actually a "kup mundak"who has never been out of his country,and thus having not seen anything is commenting rubbish. I would like to ask him is it not a fact that China has $1.25 trillion US treasury bonds with it, the largest amongst all countries. Do you know what that means my dear "sidha bol" US is a debtor to China to the tune of $1.25 trillion, which is about 70% of India's GDP.Have some International knowledge before commenting some trash.

Jugal你是对的。中国式第二大经济体。如果按PPP算，2018年他们就超过美国了。那个”Sidha Bol"是个伪旅行家，他肯定从来没出过国。我想问他中国拥有1.25万亿的美国国债是不是真的？你懂这意味着什么么？70%的印度GDP！去补点国际常识再来发言。

Re: Re: No comparison
by Ajai Jacob (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 07:03 PM
Sidha is brainwashed by western propaganda against communism.

SB被西方反共宣传洗脑了。

Re: No comparison
by Shri Hegde (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 07:12 PM
since when speaking english is sign of development? by the way less than 30% of Indians speak fluent English.

什么时候说英文成了发展的标志了？再说，只有不到30%的印度人能说流利英语。

Re: Re: No comparison
by vilas apte (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 07:57 PM
Fluency is a sign of elitism,and helps "pseudo loyalists" like you to emigrate to USA/UK/Canada/Australia, which for you people is "heaven".

流利是精英的标志，可以帮助像你一样“伪保皇党"移民到西方国家，你们的天堂~~~

Re: No comparison
by lizhongran (View MyPage) on Mar 05, 2013 10:52 AM
Why are you so much emphasis on the role of English
Never seen an economy like India to abandon their mother tongue is so proud

为啥这么重视英语？
从来没见过印度这样放弃母语还自豪的国家。

Re d if f writes ku c h bh i!
by Jignesh Jadav (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 02:51 PM

You get hold of pictures from nowhere... and make a cheap story with Sensational Headlines...The title should instead read "Glimpses of R e d iff Journalism"!

你这个标题党！你应该说这是”Rediff的旅行一瞥“（Rediff是这个网站）

DONOT COMPARE INDIA WITH CHINA
by Satheesh Angamuthu (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 01:23 PM  | Hide replies

Let us stop comparing the corrupted and selfish people filled India, with China. China is not competing with the US to get the 1st place of the super power nations. India...hmmm...politicians are termites and people are deaf & dumb and selfish... Corruption in all departments, sectors... Everything is manipulated ex : fuel price, gold price to cheat the people. India can never become a superpower or even a Developed nation like US or China. Instead, countries like Brazil, South Africa are not in the race. While Brazil is ready to host Olympic, we could not even host Commonwealth games. Thanks to the robber Kalmadi. Likewise everything is contaminated. So China is faaaaaaaar ahead of India.

比个毛比。中国现在在和老美竞争第一名。印度，嗯。。。。政客是白蚁，人民蠢又聋。印度永远不能变成中美那样的超级大国。另外，巴西，南非现在也开动了。巴西准备举办奥运会，而我们连联邦运动会都搞不定。感谢强盗Kalmadi。中国远超我们。（文中很多not应该是now，愤怒的印度人打错了）


Re: DONOT COMPARE INDIA WITH CHINA
by Das (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 03:04 PM
Yes people elect the leader they deserve. Indian cities are far the most filthy. Untreated sewage and industrial toxic waste is dicharged into the rivers and the water has become unfit for agricultural rendering large numbe rof farmers poor. There is simply jungle raj of corruption. Truly precarius state of affairs.
你们的人民选了他们想要的领袖。印度城市那个脏啊，没处理过的下水道和工业废水直接排进河里，导致的水污染影响农业使得无数农民贫困。


what?
by SK B (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 12:50 PM  | Hide replies

if this is urbanization then better not have it, these images are really sickening ...

如果这是城市化那最好别要了。这些图片让人恶心。

Re: what?
by ratnakar kamath (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 04:58 PM
What is sickening? I have been to China three times and am amazed at their achievements. We are nowhere.

恶心你妹。我去过中国3次，完全被他们的成就雷翻了。

Re: what?
by Chakravarthy Kodali (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 06:57 PM
I have been to Shanghai... my first reaction while I'm traveling between airport to hotel is wow... excellent city...

我去过上海。我的第一反应是--WOW！！！完美城市。

Re: what?
by Red Planet (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 07:35 PM
I agree with SK B. Human should not be packed / parked like goods. This so called urbanization will kill creativity.

我赞同SK B。人不应该像货物一样包装。这种所谓的都市化会灭绝创造性。

India
by Ravi (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 12:48 PM  | Hide replies

India is far behind in developing infrastructure like China.

印度在基建上落后于中国。

Re: India
by sidha bol (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 02:48 PM
this shows why we are lacking behind due to illiterate like u who don't know anything real fact but ready to write comments like a literate.

这表明了我们落后的原因。像你这样的文盲不知道事实只知道装得像个文化人一样写评论。

China
by arungopal agarwal (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 12:36 PM  | Hide replies

India does not lack anywhere in urbanisation, may be even superior in general, but we lack discipline in public life, for that our leaders are responsible.


印度的城市化并不落后，甚至总体上更优越。但是我们在公共生活中缺乏纪律，领导得负责任。

Re: China
by (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 12:42 PM
Dear Arungopal; We lack desipline, So all Indians should under go complusary Military training program to save our nation Else we will be breeding Terrorists in rapist society

亲爱的Arungopal，我们缺乏纪律，所以印度人应该去军训。不然我们就会在强奸社会里哺育恐怖分子。
http://www.ltaaa.com/wtfy/8014.html ndia s strength
by junaid atalique (View MyPage) on Mar 09, 2013 01:35 PM
Indias strength is its population,otherwise there is no technological or any advancement here to lure any foreigners or investmenst.

印度的实力在其人口，我们可没有什么科技和发展来吸引外资。

Choice is Clear
by Ghaghraa (View MyPage) on Mar 09, 2013 01:31 PM
With Modi we can be worst than Afganistan, and with Rahulji we can surpase chinas development. Do you need any further reason to vote for Rahuji?

如果莫迪上台我们会差过阿富汗，如果拉胡尔上台我们能胜过中国。你还需要更多的原因么？请投拉胡尔一票。

Urbanization dangers.
by srinivas ganesh (View MyPage) on Mar 05, 2013 04:38 AM  | Hide replies
More Urbanization, more crimes,dirty,pollution etc. We don't need urbanization. India needs more and more small villages where everybody knows each other, no crime,no pollution,clean and neat. In village, one can have everything because they grow their food and they are self sufficient. Today's Indian villages are becoming pathetic because all educated people are getting migrating to citys and becoming fit for nothing. Software employee needs food from farmer,but farmer doesn't need a software. So, Most of the employees who are not useful to farmer are more like a beggers.

更多的城市化导致更多的犯罪，肮脏和污染。我们不需要城市化，印度需要更多的小村子，那里的人们互相了解。没有犯罪，没有污染，干净整洁，人民种粮食来自给自足。现今的印度乡村变得贫弱都是因为受教育的人都跑城里去了。码农需要菜农，但是菜农不需要码农，有没有！所以，这些对菜农没用的码农就像在行乞。

Re: Urbanization dangers.
by lizhongran (View MyPage) on Mar 05, 2013 10:38 AM
Urbanization can not be accomplished in just one day
I think you see these are normal because development requires a process

城市化又不能一天就搞定了。你所见都是正常的，毕竟发展需要过程。

chose which people you want to live with
by Raj Thackersey (View MyPage) on Mar 05, 2013 12:06 AM  | Hide replies
India people - keep mouth clean gutter dirty.
China people - keep gutter clean but mouth dirty

印度人：里子干净外表脏
中国人：外表光鲜里面臭

Re: chose which people you want to live with
by David Dak (View MyPage) on Mar 06, 2013 07:30 AM
In Australia and USA, we know that indian are much more smelly than Chinese, gutter or mouth.

但是在澳大利亚和美国，我们觉得印度人无论内外都比中国人脏。

India and Population Explosion
by abc_xyz abc_xyz (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 11:49 PM  | Hide replies
The root cause to all the problems in India can be attributed to just ONE FACTOR - POPULATION. Because of such a huge population growth, whatever methods our constitution and the govt does goes ineffective. This leads to frustration and as a result corruption creeps in. When you know you can get away with law and order by bribing, you tend to reach the upper scales of society by doing all the wrong deeds. And to dominate others you got to control your potential threats with violance..thereby criminalisation of politics comes into the picture. India is the country which has the most talented, yet ineffective middle class. We neither vote regularly, nor support good work done by a handful few.
On the other hand, China realised that the only way to go forward was through population control. They effected 1-child policy and between 1979 and 1999, they reduced their numbers by atleast 20 crores. Now they have relaxed the policy.
Even though I hate communism, I believe, communism and dictatorship is atleast better than psuedo-democracy. With the kind of political , economic and social set-up, India will never ever achieve super-stardom. All these concepts of BRICS nations, India emerging as IT-hub are all rubbish. The western world only talk about the topmost layer of the cream. The rest of the so-called fake cream (Esp IAS,IPS, IFS) are tied by the govt red-tape protocol and the rest of cake, which is rotten completely. The only way forward to control population.

印度问题的根源在于---人口！。因为巨大的人口增长，政府的所有措施都变得无效了。官员为此失望抓狂，只好搞腐败。当你知道行贿可以免责，你就会不择手段的往上爬，然后支配别人并用暴力消灭潜在威胁，所以政治就腐败了。印度有最有才但庸碌的中产阶级。我们从不正常投票，不去支持少数人的成绩。

说回来，中国意思到人口问题并进行控制。1979-1999年的一胎政策至少让中国少了2亿人。现在他们又开始放松政策了。
虽然我恨共产，但是我觉得共产和独裁至少比伪民主好。现在这样的印度绝对不能成为明星。什么金砖国家，IT中心全是垃圾概念。西方世界只关心蛋糕上层的奶油，下面的蛋糕全都烂了。唯一的出路就是控制人口！

Re: India and Population Explosion
by nailesh kumar (View MyPage) on Mar 09, 2013 01:15 PM
you are right, but indians are multi culture and there are religions (mus and chris) who will be against controlling the population and our politicians wants to please these minority to be in power

赞一个。但是印度有多元文化和宗教，这些都会反对控制人口。我们的政客只会讨好这些少数群体。

China a friend of Modi
by biswanath roy (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 08:11 PM
By the way,I had been to Gujerat for some Consultancy work and was surprised to learn that most of the States Infrastructure projects are been carried out by Chinese firms partnering Indian firms, whether it is Power plants,Ports,SolarPP,etc.Also came to know that Modi has visited China 3 times, and is their favourite Indian politician, and also the favourite PM candidate of most of the persons who have commented here. So, my friends beware, if Modi becomes PM, Chinese firms will get projects in galore,and Chinese goods will be seen everywhere.

我去过古吉拉特邦。惊奇的发现那里的政府工程项目，不管是电厂，港口还是太阳能，其承建商全都是中印合伙的。你要知道莫迪三次拜访中国，是中国最粉的印度政客。同时也是这里许多人最喜欢的总理候选人。所以，朋友们注意了，如果莫迪当上总理，中国企业将大量拿到工程项目，中国商品将淹没市场。

Why writing trash
by vilas apte (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 07:54 PM
Some of the erudite persons who have commented here, appear to consider India as a western country, not in Asia but a part of the western world.Praising China on these coloumns, a fellow Asian country seems to be "rag to the bulls".

一些“饱学之士”在这里评论，说得印度好像西方国家一样，在这里对中国评头论足。

china urbanisation
by ramakrishna reddi (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 07:36 PM  | Hide replies
I had been to china a few yrs back no doubt they are far hahead of us. here we get bogged down with litigations and court stays. govt cannot proceed.
i think we need dictator for the next 10 yrs to develop the country then bring back democracy
we will on top.
krkreddi

我几年前去过中国，毫无疑问他们远超我们。我们老是陷于诉讼中，政府不能前行。
我认为我们需要10年的独裁，然后再民主。

Re: china urbanisation
by French Cuisine (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 11:43 PM
The major difference between China and India is that - in CHina there is only one party to bribe, here there are too many parties all of whom want bribe. Since everyone wants piece of the pie - there are so many litigations.

中印不同在于：在中国你只需要向一党行贿，在印度你需要向多党行贿。所有人都想分一杯羹，所有有这么多诉讼。

Re: china urbanisation
by sanjay kulkarni (View MyPage) on Mar 05, 2013 01:08 AM
I agree for this. We need strong dictator for next 25 years at least. ALL religions should have same rule of population control and equal education.
Strong leader is times demand, else we wont see 100th Independence day for our country.... China is ready to invade in coming 25 years ....

我同意。我们至少需要25年的独裁。所有宗教都需要用统一律法来控制人口和实施平等教育。
强力领袖是时代的需要，不然我们就看不到第一百个独立日了。。。中国准备好了25年内入侵我们。

China way ahead
by vilas apte (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 07:06 PM  | Hide replies
My son is employed in an Indian IT Co, and for the last 3 years is posted @ Shanghai. My wife and myself for the last 2 years(2011 & 2012)have visited China and toured extensively,courtesy my son. I have seen at least 20 of their cities, and many villages which have tourist interest, and I can vouch that their infrastructure is way ahead(minimum 15 years)of India. 20 of their cities are having operating Subways/Metro systems the highest in the world. Shanghai and Beijing subways have a length of track over 500kms,15-16 lines are in operation.20 more cities are constructing their subways. These subways are cheap,fast,very clean, and have sign boards and announcements in English, thereby posing no problem for foreigners.Their HSR services are superb Shanghai-Beijing, 1340 kms distance in 4.50 hours,unbelievable. Which country in the world has over 10,000 kms of HSR tracks in operation and trains moving @300-350 kms/hr speed.Even Japan,France do not have it on such a scale. I have seen comments of quite a few, to whom I would request to go, and visit that country, and see with your own eyes before writing something foolish.

我们儿子在一家印度IT公司上班，这三年他被外派到上海。我和老婆在11年和12年在中国各处旅游。我们至少参观了20个城市以及许多有参观价值的村庄。我保证他们的基建至少比我们先进15年。20个城市都有地铁，上海和北京地铁超过500公里长，有15-16条线。另外20只城市的地铁正在建。这些地铁便宜，快速，干净，居然还有英文的标示！外国人找路一点困难都么有。京沪高铁超级棒，1340公里只要4.5小时！那个国家有超过10000公里的时速300-350的高铁在运行？就算日本和法国也没有这样的规模。我看了不少的评论，我建议你们在写蠢话前去看看那个国家。

Re: China way ahead
by Shri Hegde (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 07:09 PM
sounds like if possible you and your son will immigrate there

听起来如果有可能，你和你儿子想要移民去中国？

Re: Re: China way ahead
by vilas apte (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 07:48 PM
Mr Hegde, get your English right,to leave one's own country is termed as "emigration" and not "immigration" as you are calling it. Immigrate is exactly the opposite i.e coming into India.Anyway we can both simultaneously leave our country-you to USA/UK, me to China, please inform me so that I can take steps to do so.Thank you for your tip.

先生，先搞定你的英文。离开你的祖国是“emigration”不是“immigration”。不管怎样，如果你愿意，我们可以同时离开我国。你去美英，我去中国。记得通知我，另外感谢你的提点。

Re: China way ahead
by dhiraj malpani (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 07:27 PM
I stayed in shanghai for 4 months on project assignments and just fall in love with the city....its clean, properly managed despite the population burst in & around the city....you can easily roam around the city through subways which is effective, safe & cheap !!

我在上海呆了4个月就爱上了这里。干净，管理得当，就是人太多了。你可以很容易的通过地铁逛遍整个城市，安全又便宜！

Re: Re: China way ahead
by Raj Thackersey (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 11:57 PM
malpani - did you try speaking to chinese?? mouth smells like gutter.
India - keep mouth clean gutter dirty.
China - keep gutter clean but mouth dirty

malpani-你和中国人说过话么？他们的嘴像臭水沟
印度人：嘴干净水沟脏
中国人：水沟干净嘴脏

Re: Re: Re: China way ahead
by David Dak (View MyPage) on Mar 06, 2013 07:28 AM
Come on Raj, we in Australia know that indian is much more smelly than Chinese, gutter or mouth.

好了，拉吉同学，我们澳大利亚人都知道印度人比中国人臭，不管是水沟还是嘴。

Re: China way ahead
by Raj Thackersey (View MyPage) on Mar 05, 2013 12:05 AM
Sir, When in Shanghai please visit Kangding Lu, especially after 11 PM to see the light show

亲，你一定要来上海的康定路，特别是11点后。

Re: Re: Re: China way ahead
by Jugal Ahuja (View MyPage) on Mar 05, 2013 12:40 AM
This Raj knows that Chinese mouth dirty, because he tried to kiss chinese girl and got slapped. The name of the Shanghai lane Raj has mentioned is Shanghai's red area,where this slapping incident with Raj happened. So we know what sort of person he is.

这个拉吉说中国人嘴臭，因为他们试图亲中国女孩被扇了。他上面提到的上海的街是个红灯区。你们懂他是什么人了吧？

China
by Ajai Jacob (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 03:50 PM  | Hide replies
Success of China in its march to becoming the second most powerful country in the world is due to communism.
Many say that China is capitalistic nowadays.But it is predominantly communism in China.A mixture of communism with a little of capitalism created the wonder of modern China,the world's most populous nation.
Think about it instead of mindlessly deriding communism.

中国成功的原因是因为共产主义！
许多人都说中国现在已经是资本主义了。但是他主要还是社会主义。社会主义和一点点资本主义的混合造就了中国的现代奇迹。
仔细想想吧，别无脑嘲笑共产主义了。

Re: China
by sidha bol (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 03:57 PM
It is not communism it is dictatorship in the name of communism

中国不是共产主义，是号称共产主义的独裁政权。

Re: Re: China
by Ajai Jacob (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 04:38 PM
Tell me the name of the dictator,Sidha.
In every country,whether US,India or any other,the real power is always in the hands of a few.So don't blabber.
Democracy is OK for countries with low population like the US.Effective management of large,bulging populations need tight systems like communism.

好吧，那告诉我独裁者的姓名？
每个国家，不管是美国，印度还是其他。真正的权力都是掌握在少数人手里。所以少废话了。
民主对人口少的国家来说是不错，例如美国。但是共产主义才能有效管理大量的人口。

Re: Re: Re: China
by sidha bol (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 05:15 PM
baby there is no election in china and people are not allowed to vote or select anybody

但是中国没有选举，人民不能投票！

Re: Re: Re: Re: China
by sidha bol (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 05:17 PM
please check google for mao's concentration camp also. u will get the answer

你去谷歌一下毛的集中营，你会得到答案。

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: China
by Ajai Jacob (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 05:31 PM
In the same way,millions were killed in India-Pak partition and in such incidents around the world.
What is the use of elections if it is manipulated?Read Aravind Adiga's booker prize winning book 'white tiger' to understand about the pseudo-democracy in India.
In China,there are elections within the communist party.Now that China is somewhat developed,the leaders there are talking about socialist democracy,a new concept.

印巴分治的时候一样死了几百万人，同样的事件全世界都在发生。
如果选举被操纵，那又有何意义？读一下Aravind Adiga的获奖作品：《白虎》，了解一下印度的伪民主吧。
在中国，他们的选举在党内举行。现在他们进步了，他们的领导在讨论社会民主了，一个新概念。

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: China
by lizhongran (View MyPage) on Mar 05, 2013 10:47 AM
mao has been dead for forty years ago
Today's China and the former completely different
to living in China for a month if you view of China didnt change I would go streaking

毛都死了40年了。现在的中国和以前完全不一样了。你来中国住几个月，如果你的思想还没改观我就去裸奔。

Re: Re: Re: Re: China
by ravinder khatana (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 07:42 PM
check your knowledge...they have election but it totally differ thn our election...they use bottom to top approach

你该充电了，他们有和我们完全不一样的自下而上的选举。

Re: Re: Re: China
by John (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 06:36 PM
China was and is a poor country, so China needs to some tough measures to improve the speed of development. China lost something, also got some things. I also think that China needs democracy, we would like to study from India, but our progress will be slow in this field. India is also developing very fast, China and India, the two countries with a large population, though the road they walk is different, will eventually be both democracy and rich

中国过去和现在都是一个穷国，所以中国需要一些强硬措施来加速发展。中国丢了一些东西，又得到一些。我也认为中国需要民主，我们准备就这方面向印度学习，但是不会太快。印度也是一个迅速发展的国家，中印都是人口大国，虽然道理不同，但是我坚信我们最后都会拥有民主和富裕。

Re: Re: Re: Re: China
by Ajai Jacob (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 06:50 PM
John,according to world bank norms,China has 11% below poverty line and India has 54% below poverty line.Then how can you say China is also a poor country?
What the chinese communists achieved in 60 years,India may achieve in 300 years.That is the difference.

John，据世行数据，中国有11%的人口在贫困线下，但是印度有54%。你怎能说中国也是个穷国？
中国GCD60年的成就，印度要搞300年，这就是差距。

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: China
by vilas apte (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 07:17 PM
You are right Ajai, China's annual per capita income in 2011 is over $5000, due to which China has been clubbed as a "medium economy level" country, i.e in the range between $5000 to $10,000. India on the other hand is still lagging far behind @ $1200, therefore still a "low economy level"country. However LEL has an advantage India will corner maximum of development loans dished out by WB/ADB/IMF, as China and Brazil, our earlier rivals, both have jumped into MEL category.

Ajai你是对的。中国的人均收入在2011年超过5000刀.他们已经是中等收入国家，也就是说5000-10000刀的国家。印度才1200刀，仍然是低收入国家。虽然低收入国家的头衔有助于印度获得世行，亚洲发展银行和国际货币基金组织的贷款。但是中国和巴西（我们以前的对手）都进入中等收入国家了。

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: China
by John (View MyPage) on Mar 05, 2013 09:36 PM
As you see above these pictures, yes, some cities of China is comfortable, but also some of them is poverty. I'm Chinese living in Beijing. I like Beijing, also don't like Beijing. Beijing has a lot of opportunities and historical monuments. But the population of Beijing is too huge and have traffic jam. I love my hometown, Anhui, hefei. you can see it in 13th picture. but there is no suitable for my work in my hometown. Huaxi Village is indeed very happy village, in fact they are richer than Shanghai, Beijing on average person. There are many problems in china. Some cities are poor, population is too large and China also have corruption, income and development is not balanced and so on. China and India, the two countries with a large population, China and India, though the road they walk is different, will eventually be the same destination

你也看见上面的图片了。有的城市是很舒适，但是也有贫穷的地方。我住在北京，我对北京既爱且恨。北京有不少古迹，但是巨大人口导致到处赛车。我爱我老家安徽合肥，就是第13张图。但是那里没有适合的工作。华西村是个福地，他们实际上比上海人和北京人更富有。中国有很多问题，很多城市很贫穷，人口太多，而且同样也有腐败以及发展和收入分配不均问题。中印道路不同，但是目的一致，我们会再碰头的。

        Re: China
by Gopal panda (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 07:08 PM
I dont understand why some people compare apple with oranges and jump cry or gets fascinated by apple's look.
Here Why we are comparing India and China?
We have different people culture political environment mindset thinning than China.
The people who praise china , are they Indians? Are they doing anything else than just comparing facts gathered from here and there? Ask them why cant they forward step ahead to make India a good place to live in.
People like Ajai only knows the data in comparion sheet nothing else.
Instead of blabbering here why dont we people make our India far more better than China.

我不明白为啥有些人老拿苹果比橘子。
为啥我们要和中国比？
我们有不同的人民，文化，政体，思维体系。
那些表扬中国的，你们还是印度人么？你们除了比较还做什么了？为什么不努力把印度变好？
像Ajai那样的人只知道比较数据。
在这里八卦不然花时间把印度变得比中国更好。

No comparison
by Jugal Ahuja (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 03:35 PM  | Hide replies
India should not be compared to China.Arungopal Agarwal, is correct,he has seen China and thus is aware of its backwardness, we all have never been there. National Geographic/Discovery channels, & websites like Rediff/Yahoo etc are spreading lies about China's development, by showing its HSR's,Huge bridges,multi tier elevated roads,expressways etc. India has democracy,people here are fluent in speaking English, whereas Chinese only a miniscule speak English, on that count only India can claim to be developed country comparable to USA/UK/Canada/Australia/NZ etc.As per Agarwal China should be bunched with Pakistan/Bangladesh/African/Latin American countries, which are still very less developed, despite China being the world's second largest economy,this fact has to be swallowed because UN has acknowledged it.Unfortunately I cannot claim to be a patriot in Agarwal's mould.

印度不应该和中国比。Arungopal Agarwal是对的，他去过中国并了解到其落后。我们都没去过，只是在网站上读这些中国发展的谎言。什么高铁啊，大桥啊，多层立交桥啊。印度有民主！印度人可以流利说英语！中国人几乎不会说英语。据此来看，印度应该和美国，英国，加拿大，澳大利亚，新西兰比较，中国应该和巴基斯坦，孟加拉国，非洲和拉美国家比较。虽然中国是第二大经济体这个事实被忽略了（因为联合国居然承认了）。
总之我不能变成Agarwal这种模样的爱国者。

Re: No comparison
by sidha bol (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 03:55 PM
that acknowledgement of UN might be also on fake records received. I have also interacted with them and worked with them and believe me whatever they showcase are 90% fake like their products anywhere in the world.

联合国的承认也许是因为他们得到了假数据。我和他们工作交流过，相信我，这些样板90%都是假的，就像中国的商品一样。

Re: Re: No comparison
by Jugal Ahuja (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 06:10 PM
I go atleast 2-3 times to China for business purposes,and my brothers and myself have been procuring computer parts,furnitures,consumer goods etc for the last 10-12 years, and found no complaint with them. 80% of the goods on the shelf/ rack, in any upmarket store in any developed or developing country has "made in China" label,whether it is
toys,computer spares,electronics,daily use goods etc. If Chinese goods were that bad as you say your favourite Walmart,Carrrefor,Tesco,Metro,7day stores would not have procured 80% of their goods from China. Jealousy does not get you anywhere,Chinese automobile/luxury market is 10 times bigger than India's, and even bigger than that of Our favourite USA. Get this fact verified from BBC/CNN.我去过中国2-3次。我和我哥这10多年来都在采购电脑配件，家具，消费品，但是从来没有抱

怨过质量。所有发达国家和发展中国家的高档店都有中国制造，不管是玩具，电脑配件，电器或者日常用品。如果中国货这么差那么你粉喜欢的沃尔玛，家乐福，特易购，麦德龙等就不会80%都采购中国商品了。嫉妒不能让你获得什么，中国的汽车和奢侈品市场比印度大10倍。比我们粉喜欢的美国都大。不信你去读读BBC/CNN.

Re: Re: Re: No comparison
by Ajai Jacob (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 06:23 PM
You hit the bull's eye,Ahuja.

你又打人脸了。。

Re: No comparison
by Ashish Singh (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 06:45 PM
You are very right Jugal,today China is the second largest economy of the world, and if PPP factor is taken into account, will overtake USA to become the largest world economy by 2018. This posing pseudo traveller ",sidha bol"is actually a "kup mundak"who has never been out of his country,and thus having not seen anything is commenting rubbish. I would like to ask him is it not a fact that China has $1.25 trillion US treasury bonds with it, the largest amongst all countries. Do you know what that means my dear "sidha bol" US is a debtor to China to the tune of $1.25 trillion, which is about 70% of India's GDP.Have some International knowledge before commenting some trash.

Jugal你是对的。中国式第二大经济体。如果按PPP算，2018年他们就超过美国了。那个”Sidha Bol"是个伪旅行家，他肯定从来没出过国。我想问他中国拥有1.25万亿的美国国债是不是真的？你懂这意味着什么么？70%的印度GDP！去补点国际常识再来发言。

Re: Re: No comparison
by Ajai Jacob (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 07:03 PM
Sidha is brainwashed by western propaganda against communism.

SB被西方反共宣传洗脑了。

Re: No comparison
by Shri Hegde (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 07:12 PM
since when speaking english is sign of development? by the way less than 30% of Indians speak fluent English.

什么时候说英文成了发展的标志了？再说，只有不到30%的印度人能说流利英语。

Re: Re: No comparison
by vilas apte (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 07:57 PM
Fluency is a sign of elitism,and helps "pseudo loyalists" like you to emigrate to USA/UK/Canada/Australia, which for you people is "heaven".

流利是精英的标志，可以帮助像你一样“伪保皇党"移民到西方国家，你们的天堂~~~

Re: No comparison
by lizhongran (View MyPage) on Mar 05, 2013 10:52 AM
Why are you so much emphasis on the role of English
Never seen an economy like India to abandon their mother tongue is so proud

为啥这么重视英语？
从来没见过印度这样放弃母语还自豪的国家。

Re d if f writes ku c h bh i!
by Jignesh Jadav (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 02:51 PM

You get hold of pictures from nowhere... and make a cheap story with Sensational Headlines...The title should instead read "Glimpses of R e d iff Journalism"!

你这个标题党！你应该说这是”Rediff的旅行一瞥“（Rediff是这个网站）

DONOT COMPARE INDIA WITH CHINA
by Satheesh Angamuthu (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 01:23 PM  | Hide replies

Let us stop comparing the corrupted and selfish people filled India, with China. China is not competing with the US to get the 1st place of the super power nations. India...hmmm...politicians are termites and people are deaf & dumb and selfish... Corruption in all departments, sectors... Everything is manipulated ex : fuel price, gold price to cheat the people. India can never become a superpower or even a Developed nation like US or China. Instead, countries like Brazil, South Africa are not in the race. While Brazil is ready to host Olympic, we could not even host Commonwealth games. Thanks to the robber Kalmadi. Likewise everything is contaminated. So China is faaaaaaaar ahead of India.

比个毛比。中国现在在和老美竞争第一名。印度，嗯。。。。政客是白蚁，人民蠢又聋。印度永远不能变成中美那样的超级大国。另外，巴西，南非现在也开动了。巴西准备举办奥运会，而我们连联邦运动会都搞不定。感谢强盗Kalmadi。中国远超我们。（文中很多not应该是now，愤怒的印度人打错了）


Re: DONOT COMPARE INDIA WITH CHINA
by Das (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 03:04 PM
Yes people elect the leader they deserve. Indian cities are far the most filthy. Untreated sewage and industrial toxic waste is dicharged into the rivers and the water has become unfit for agricultural rendering large numbe rof farmers poor. There is simply jungle raj of corruption. Truly precarius state of affairs.
你们的人民选了他们想要的领袖。印度城市那个脏啊，没处理过的下水道和工业废水直接排进河里，导致的水污染影响农业使得无数农民贫困。


what?
by SK B (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 12:50 PM  | Hide replies

if this is urbanization then better not have it, these images are really sickening ...

如果这是城市化那最好别要了。这些图片让人恶心。

Re: what?
by ratnakar kamath (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 04:58 PM
What is sickening? I have been to China three times and am amazed at their achievements. We are nowhere.

恶心你妹。我去过中国3次，完全被他们的成就雷翻了。

Re: what?
by Chakravarthy Kodali (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 06:57 PM
I have been to Shanghai... my first reaction while I'm traveling between airport to hotel is wow... excellent city...

我去过上海。我的第一反应是--WOW！！！完美城市。

Re: what?
by Red Planet (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 07:35 PM
I agree with SK B. Human should not be packed / parked like goods. This so called urbanization will kill creativity.

我赞同SK B。人不应该像货物一样包装。这种所谓的都市化会灭绝创造性。

India
by Ravi (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 12:48 PM  | Hide replies

India is far behind in developing infrastructure like China.

印度在基建上落后于中国。

Re: India
by sidha bol (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 02:48 PM
this shows why we are lacking behind due to illiterate like u who don't know anything real fact but ready to write comments like a literate.

这表明了我们落后的原因。像你这样的文盲不知道事实只知道装得像个文化人一样写评论。

China
by arungopal agarwal (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 12:36 PM  | Hide replies

India does not lack anywhere in urbanisation, may be even superior in general, but we lack discipline in public life, for that our leaders are responsible.


印度的城市化并不落后，甚至总体上更优越。但是我们在公共生活中缺乏纪律，领导得负责任。

Re: China
by (View MyPage) on Mar 04, 2013 12:42 PM
Dear Arungopal; We lack desipline, So all Indians should under go complusary Military training program to save our nation Else we will be breeding Terrorists in rapist society

亲爱的Arungopal，我们缺乏纪律，所以印度人应该去军训。不然我们就会在强奸社会里哺育恐怖分子。
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